Marriage Rehab: Exposing Narcissistic & Emotional Abuse

In this episode, Dr. David Hawkins sits down with counselor and author Laurel Slade-Waggoner to unpack gaslighting in everyday relationships—not only in marriage, but also in families, churches, friendships, and workplaces. Laurel shares her story, defines the “crazy cycle” (love bombing → manipulation → blow-ups → apologies → repeat), and explains why many survivors become trauma-bonded to the cycle.You’ll learn how to spot future faking, the crucial difference between mere regret and authentic repentance, and why consistency and accountability—not box-checking—signal real change. Laurel and Dr. Hawkins outline faith-safe boundary strategies (internal and external), how to exit escalating conflicts without fueling them, and practical first steps for those who feel stuck, foggy, or frozen.They also address spiritual abuse and unhelpful “stay and pray” advice, offering language to seek support wisely and rebuild a healthy inner circle. If you’re navigating narcissistic traits in a spouse, co-parent, or family member—and wondering what’s changeable and what isn’t—this conversation brings clarity, compassion, and a structured path forward.Resources mentioned:• Laurel’s books: Don’t Let Their Crazy Make You Crazy; Don’t Let Their Crazy Make Your Kids Crazy• Marriage Recovery Center programs for narcissistic & emotional abuseNeed help now? Visit Marriage Recovery Center to explore assessments, intensives, and the Comprehensive Healing Pathway.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

When abuse shrinks you, how do you take up space again? In this episode of Marriage Rehab: Exposing Narcissistic and Emotional Abuse, clinical psychologist and bestselling author Dr. David B. Hawkins sits down with Kathy Young, a trauma-informed coach and survivor of a 35-year emotionally abusive marriage. Together, they unpack the survival strategy of “playing small,” the nuances of fawning, when gray rocking helps (and when it harms), and the trauma science (nervous system, polyvagal, complex trauma) behind exhaustion, hypervigilance, and losing your voice.You’ll learn:What “playing small” looks like and how it forms under power & controlWhy fawning and gray rocking emerge as short-term survival toolsBig-T vs. little-t trauma and how chronic micro-traumas “stack” neurologicallyThe body cost of abuse (fight/flight/freeze/fawn/collapse) and first steps to reclaim choice & voicePractical, low-risk ways to take up space againGuest: Kathy Young — trauma-informed coach & educatorWebsite: kathymcateeyoung.comPrograms & Support:Marriage Recovery Center – Women’s Core & more: marriagerecoverycenter.comIf this episode resonates, you’re not alone. Healing is possible—one clear choice, one safe step, one reclaimed word at a time.For more on Kathy’s work, visit her website at www.kathymcateeyoung.com or follow her on Instagram @kathyyoungcoaching. This episode offers invaluable insights and encouragement for anyone seeking hope and transformation.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins and Jonathan Glover tackle the  dynamics of therapist-client relationships in a special installment of "Dr. Hawkins’ Reacts!" With Katie Buckley as the producer, they dive into real-life Reddit stories that highlight common struggles in therapy, including clients repeatedly canceling sessions, the concept of therapist neutrality, and maintaining healthy boundaries between clinicians and clients.Dr. Hawkins and Jonathan share their professional insights, offering guidance on how both therapists and clients can navigate these dynamics effectively to foster growth and trust. This episode provides a thoughtful exploration of the complexities in therapy relationships and offers valuable lessons for clinicians and clients alike.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins welcomes Sheila Wray Gregoire, author of The Great Sex Rescue, for an impactful conversation on challenging harmful evangelical teachings about sex and marriage. Sheila shares her journey into this work, including what inspired her to conduct the largest-ever study on evangelical women’s marital and sexual satisfaction.Together, they delve into troubling beliefs uncovered by Sheila’s research, explore how these teachings contribute to harm and dissatisfaction in relationships, and discuss actionable strategies for reclaiming sexual wholeness—particularly for survivors of narcissistic and emotional abuse. Sheila also highlights key principles from her book that empower couples to build deeper intimacy and fulfillment in their relationships while fostering a broader cultural shift within the evangelical community.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins is joined by Ernest Hart, a seasoned clinician at the Marriage Recovery Center, to explore the complexities of family interventions in the context of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) and emotional abuse. Together, they discuss the unique challenges families face when attempting to confront destructive dynamics and the essential steps to stage a successful and compassionate intervention.Ernest shares insights from his extensive experience working with families, offering practical advice on how to approach intervention with clarity, empathy, and firmness. This episode provides valuable tools for families seeking to create change and foster healthier relationships in even the most difficult circumstances.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins welcomes back Karla Downing, award-winning author, speaker, and founder of ChangeMyRelationship.com. In her previous episode, Karla shares powerful insights from her book 10 Lifesaving Principles for Women in Difficult Marriages, offering practical tools and wisdom for women navigating challenging relationships. In Part 2, Dr. Hawkins and Karla continue their conversation as they dive deeper into the topics they did not get to in the Part 1. Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins is joined by Dr. Carol Tanksley, author of Sexpectations, and MRC clinician Jill Stenerson to discuss the intersection of sexual intimacy, emotional abuse, and narcissistic behaviors in relationships. Together, they explore what healthy intimacy looks like, how to heal from sexual harm caused by abuse, and practical steps toward sexual wholeness. Whether you're recovering from past trauma or navigating challenges in your current relationship, this episode offers hope and guidance for your journey.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins is joined by Dr. John Hudson and Ernest Hart to explore the Marriage Intensive Programs offered at the Marriage Recovery Center. These intensive sessions provide high-conflict couples with focused, in-person work over the course of three transformative days. The conversation highlights the importance of setting realistic expectations, reviewing the Couple’s Readiness Document, and preparing for a productive experience. The team also addresses the common misconception that all relationship issues can be resolved in a single weekend, while explaining what clients can expect during and beyond an Intensive. Tune in to learn more about this powerful approach to healing relationships!Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins welcomes Karla Downing, award-winning author, speaker, and founder of ChangeMyRelationship.com. Karla shares powerful insights from her book 10 Lifesaving Principles for Women in Difficult Marriages, offering practical tools and wisdom for women navigating challenging relationships. Together, they explore transformative principles such as "changing yourself, not them," "detaching with love," and "speaking your truth in love." Karla also addresses the complexities of setting healthy boundaries and debunks common scriptural misconceptions that can hinder personal growth and relational health. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking hope and guidance in the midst of marital challenges.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins sits down with special guest Dr. Stephanie Holmes, a psychologist and counselor specializing in neurodiverse relationships. Together, they explore the intersection of autism, neurodivergence, and emotionally abusive traits within intimate relationships.Dr. Holmes shares insights into common patterns and challenges neurodivergent couples face, often misunderstood as emotionally abusive behaviors. She highlights therapeutic strategies, the role of empathy in bridging gaps between neurotypical and neurodivergent partners, and practical advice for fostering healthier, more understanding relationships. Whether you're navigating a neurodiverse relationship or looking to better understand these dynamics, this episode offers encouragement and tools for growth.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

What is the long-term impact of divorce and narcissistic abuse on children once they grow into adults? In this episode, Dr. David Hawkins speaks with Kent Darcie, founder of Adult Children of Divorce Ministries and author of Choose a Better Path: Overcoming the Impact of Your Parents’ Divorce.Together they explore:How unresolved family trauma shapes adult relationships and parentingThe connection between divorce, narcissistic abuse, and emotional woundsPractical strategies for breaking generational cycles of dysfunctionFinding hope, resilience, and healing after family breakdownThis episode offers encouragement and tools for anyone recovering from childhood trauma, divorce, or abuse.👉 Learn more about narcissistic abuse recovery and counseling at https://www.marriagerecoverycenter.com  Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Dr. Hawkins' Reacts, Dr. David Hawkins and Jonathan Glover join Katie Buckley as she reads real-life relationship stories found online. These accounts detail complex situations, and Dr. Hawkins and Jonathan weigh in to determine if there are signs of emotional abuse. With their expert analysis and compassionate approach, they break down the behaviors, offer insights into what emotional abuse looks like, and provide guidance for anyone facing similar challenges. This episode is an eye-opening and thought-provoking exploration of how toxic dynamics can manifest in relationships—and how to recognize them. Tune in for valuable advice and practical takeaways!Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode, Dr. David Hawkins is joined by Dr. Gregory Jantz, a renowned expert in mental health, to discuss the powerful intersections of anxiety, trauma, and social media. Together, they unpack how social media shapes perceptions of emotional abuse, often distorting reality and amplifying feelings of insecurity and fear. Dr. Jantz and Dr. Hawkins explore the ways anxiety and unresolved trauma can influence how individuals experience and respond to emotional abuse, as well as how the digital age complicates these dynamics. With practical insights and actionable advice, this episode sheds light on navigating these challenges in a hyperconnected world. Don't miss this timely and insightful conversation!Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Dr. Hawkins' Reacts, Dr. David Hawkins and Jonathan Glover tackle a heartfelt and thought-provoking email sent in by one of our listeners. Katie Buckley reads the email aloud, sharing the listener's personal story and struggles, prompting Dr. Hawkins and Jonathan to provide their expert insights and practical advice. Together, they unpack the emotional dynamics at play, addressing key questions about narcissism, emotional abuse, and steps toward healing. With their compassionate and informed responses, this episode offers listeners valuable tools for navigating high-conflict relationships. Don’t miss this candid and impactful discussion!Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this insightful follow-up episode, Dr. David Hawkins is joined once again by Lucas Forstmeyer to explore a high-conflict case through the lens of Internal Family Systems (IFS). Together, they dive into the complexities of navigating toxic relationship dynamics, breaking down how IFS can help uncover the internal parts at play in both partners. Dr. Hawkins and Lucas provide a detailed and compassionate analysis, highlighting how self-awareness and accountability are key to breaking the cycle of emotional conflict. Whether you’re new to IFS or looking for fresh insights on high-conflict relationships, this episode is packed with practical tools and profound takeaways. Don’t miss it!Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Dr. Hawkins' Reacts, Dr. David Hawkins and Jonathan Glover dive into a fascinating discussion as Katie Buckley presents fictional character personality traits for their analysis. Together, they explore whether these characters exhibit narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) traits or simply display toxic or emotionally abusive behaviors. Through their expert insights, Dr. Hawkins and Jonathan break down the complexities of narcissistic tendencies versus full-blown NPD, providing listeners with valuable tools for identifying and understanding these patterns in real life. Packed with humor, expertise, and practical takeaways, this episode offers a unique and enlightening perspective on the challenges of recognizing unhealthy traits in relationships. Tune in for an informative and entertaining conversation!Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of the Mad.In.Love podcast, Dr. David Hawkins is joined by Lucas Forstmeyer, a renowned practitioner and course creator specializing in Internal Family Systems (IFS). Together, they explore the complex dynamics of narcissism, emotional abuse, and how specific patterns of behavior impact relationships.Lucas and Dr. Hawkins dive into the nuances of the term "narcissism," discussing when it's helpful to label behaviors and when it might be more effective to focus on specific patterns instead. They explore the concept of "Protective Parts" within IFS, which are often responsible for seemingly negative behaviors as a means of shielding vulnerabilities or exiled parts of ourselves. Lucas emphasizes the importance of approaching these protective mechanisms with compassion while maintaining healthy boundaries.The episode further unpacks the distinctions between the "Self," individual parts, and the "Healthy Adult"—a state that combines the Self with developed skills and mature aspects of one's personality. Lucas and Dr. Hawkins share practical examples and strategies on how this understanding can lead to better emotional regulation and healthier relationship dynamics.Lastly, they address the role of inherent temperament, such as being naturally agreeable or disagreeable, and how these temperamental differences influence our perceptions of behaviors often associated with narcissism. Lucas offers insights on balancing respect for inherent traits while addressing problematic behavior patterns.Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of how IFS can be used to navigate complex relationship challenges, and learn strategies for fostering compassion towards yourself and others.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this insightful episode of the Mad.In.Love podcast, producer Katie Buckley brings real-life stories and questions from Reddit to the table, all centered around the theme of success in therapy. Joined by Dr. David Hawkins and Jonathan Glover, Katie reads a variety of posts from individuals seeking clarity on what to expect from therapy and what success should truly look like.Dr. Hawkins and Jonathan offer their professional perspectives, drawing from years of experience as clinicians, to react to these stories. They discuss the markers of successful therapy, realistic expectations, and the unique journeys that each client may experience. Whether you're currently in therapy or curious about what the process entails, this episode provides valuable insights and guidance on how to define and recognize success in your own therapeutic journey.Tune in for a thoughtful discussion on what it means to achieve success in therapy and how to set yourself up for meaningful progress.Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this engaging episode of the Mad.In.Love podcast, Katie Buckley is joined by Dr. David Hawkins and Jonathan Glover to dive into stories and comments shared by our listeners. Katie reads aloud a selection of heartfelt and thought-provoking stories submitted by our audience, prompting Dr. Hawkins and Jonathan to provide their expert insights and reactions. Whether you're looking for guidance or simply curious to hear different perspectives, this episode offers valuable takeaways for anyone navigating the complexities of love and relationships.Tune in to hear Dr. Hawkins and Jonathan tackle real-life scenarios with empathy, wisdom, and a touch of humor!Founded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***

In this episode of Mad.In.Love, Dr. David Hawkins explores the pervasive issue of loneliness in the modern world, a concern that has become increasingly prominent in the aftermath of the global pandemic. Joining him is Jack Eason, a seasoned speaker and advocate for the power of genuine human connections, who also serves as the Executive Director of Crossover CUPS Mission, making significant strides in bettering the lives of families and children across various countries.Jack shares his extensive experience and observations on loneliness, addressing the common misconceptions about who it affects and highlighting its relevance in today's society, where digital interactions often replace face-to-face connections. The conversation delves into the evolution of friendship in the age of technology and the challenges it poses in forming meaningful relationships.Dr. Hawkins and Jack discuss practical strategies for overcoming the barriers to true connection, particularly for those navigating the path to recovery from emotional abuse or managing NPD tendencies. They emphasize the importance of fostering authentic bonds and the transformative power of community and togetherness in combating the profound sense of isolation that many individuals face.This episode is a deep dive into understanding loneliness beyond surface-level perceptions, offering hope and actionable advice for anyone seeking to rebuild their social landscape and embrace the warmth of genuine human connection.If you're interested in reading books written by Jack Eason, please visit: https://www.jackeason.org/booksFounded by Dr. David Hawkins, the Marriage Recovery Center is the leading authority on the treatment of narcissistic and emotional abuse. To schedule your in-person or video session, call our team at (206) 219-0145 or email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com ***Please note that Mad.In.Love welcomes guests with diverse viewpoints. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect our mission at the Marriage Recovery Center and the Emotional Abuse Institute, but we value open dialogue and exploration.***