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Optimist Economy
Author: Kathryn Anne Edwards and Robin Rauzi
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Optimist Economy is the anti-doomscroll economics podcast. Work rules, tax fairness, healthcare, housing costs, retirement security — the economic forces shaping American life have real problems. But also real solutions. Each week, economist Kathryn Anne Edwards and editor Robin Rauzi break down one problem and solution with data, history, humor, and a belief that tools to build a better economy exist. We just haven't tried them. New episodes on Tuesdays.
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Over a year into the administration's anti-immigration agenda, we’re seeing the economic fallout. For the first time in at least 50 years, estimates are that we lost immigrants on net; far fewer than usual arrived and a somewhat higher than usual number left. But if anyone benefited from that shift, it wasn’t U.S.-born workers. Even against the backdrop of our weak labor market, foreign-born workers now have slightly lower unemployment rates and higher labor market participation than they did two years ago. Their wages have also ticked up. Meanwhile, reduced population growth has thrown the country’s economic benchmarks into chaos, making it harder to interpret job creation, GDP, and the health of the labor market.Chapters:00:00:50 Announcements: Send us your anticipated Thanksgiving dinner fights00:01:45 Retcon: Consumer sentiment update, auto-enrollment for Trump Accounts 00:07:43 Terms & Conditions: Plutocratic00:08:42 Big Pilcrow: Immigration and the Economy00:36:38 Executive Orders: “The media isn’t covering this” comments; best-of award for bookstore tote bags.00:38:31 Spiritual Sponsors: Sonoratown and an IPA on tap
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The Consumer Sentiment Index has tracked how Americans experience the U.S. economy through bouts of runaway inflation, a mortgage crisis, stock market bubbles, and six recessions. And yet the scores right now are lower than at any of those moments. After nearly 50 years of tracking by the University of Michigan, Consumer Sentiment has broken through the basement. Beneath the five index questions are some clues as to why: Since 2008, the number of people who say the government is doing a poor job has grown from about a third to about three-quarters. This dissatisfaction has been a slow burn — and it’s also evidence that Americans are ready for bold, non-incremental economic change.0:00 — Opening6:25 — Retcon: Vacation Days & Moral Hazard in Healthcare11:18 — Terms & Conditions: Likert Scale14:24 — The Big Pilcrow: What’s Consumer Sentiment Telling Us?17:20 — Record Lows: Sentiment Breaks From the Other Economic Metrics20:54 — The Five Index Questions: Take Consumer Sentiment Survey Yourself!26:55 — How’s the Government Doing Managing the Economy? Survey says…Poor29:39 — It's the Economy, Stupid31:16 — Partisanship Cancels Itself Out33:11 — Why This Isn't the Same as What Happened to Biden35:25 — Who Does Feel Good?36:07 — Low Sentiment Deserves Big Policy38:07 — Executive Orders: Hold the reservation. Too many eggs. 41:52 — Spiritual Sponsors: So, so many47:17 — Credits
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(Originally aired June 10, 2025) The national debt is $36 trillion. That could be a panic-inducing big number. So maybe it will help to understand how we ran up that debt. We've blown 37% of it on tax cuts, with precious little to show for that. But 28% went to stabilize the economy during two major crises (in ‘08-’09 and during the COVID pandemic), which is when you do want the federal government to pull out its credit card. Good news is we don’t have to get the debt to zero. We just need to get it moving in that direction. And for listeners waiting for MMT (Modern Monetary Theory) to make a cameo, that moment has arrived. Support Optimist Economy by becoming a paid Substack subscriber here, or by making a contribution at https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomyComplete show notes with links to articles and data at optimisteconomy.com.You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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From Riches to Rags: Causes of Fiscal Deterioration Since 2001 [Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, 2024]
Economic Effects of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act [Congressional Research Service, 2025]
Is Modern Monetary Theory Nutty or Essential? [The Economist, 2019]Is This What Winning Looks Like?: Modern Monetary Theory, the buzziest economic idea in decades, got a pandemic tryout of sorts. Now inflation is testing its limits. [New York Times, 2022]
Optimist Economy is on break this month, but we know that optimist listeners are interested in tales of economic history, issues of inequality and movements for change. So we thought some of you might enjoy "Occupy!" a six-part narrative series about Occupy Wall Street, the 2011 protest village that lasted nearly two months and turned a spotlight on systemic economic inequality in the U.S.---EPISODE 1: An InvitationIn 2011, a handful of skeptical New Yorkers answer a call to Occupy Wall Street. What they find feels less like a protest and more like a glimpse of a different world—one where people openly share stories of debt, hardship, and frustration. They start to build an anti-capitalist village in a tiny Manhattan park — under the watchful eyes of police. This is the first episode of Future Hindsight’s brand new 6-part series, OCCUPY! An Unfinished Uprising. Subscribe to Future Hindsight wherever you get your podcasts so you don’t miss a single episode!Want to dive deeper? Listen to these episodes of Future Hindsight:
For a conversation on activism with a co-founder of Occupy Wall Street, tune in to this episode with Micah White: https://www.futurehindsight.com/episodes/episode/micah-white
For a recap of how American capitalism evolved into what it is today, listen to this episode with Kurt Andersen: https://www.futurehindsight.com/episodes/episode/americas-evil-geniuses-kurt-andersen
On solidarity and mutual aid, listen to this conversation with Manuel Pastor: https://www.futurehindsight.com/episodes/episode/solidarity-and-mutuality-manuel-pastor
Credits:
Host / Executive Producer: Mila Atmos
Producer / Writer: Maria Luisa Tucker
Audio Producer: Zack Travis
Additional production help: Mia Warren, Erika Gjada, Megan Detrie, Lizzie Jacobs, and Ilya Magazanin
Archival research: Marisa Holmes
Archival material courtesy of: Occupy Wall Street Media Working Group.
Original music: Rude Mechanical Orchestra and Puge Ruhe
Special thanks to T.J. Raphael, Lauren Passell, Arielle Nissenblatt, and Kate Blumenfeld for being our first listeners and sounding boards, and to Tom Koenig for his support. Distributed by PRX.
Nearly 90% of private-sector workers get paid vacation days from their job, but a Pew survey found 46% leave at least some of it on the table. Government survey data also show that the share of workers who are on vacation in any given week has fall by about half between 1980 and 2022. Blame thin staffing, guilt culture, and “PTO bundles” that push people to ration days between vacation days and sick leave. The fix exists elsewhere: the European Union, for instance, guarantees 20 paid days a year. If a Costco cashier is able to vacation in Europe twice, so should you.Chapters:0:52 Announcements2:53 Retcon Marathon11:01 Terms & Conditions: Statutory Leave12:04 Big Pilcrow: Vacation Days14:03 Why Do We Think We Can't Take Time Off?16:01 No Staffing Slack in the Office16:51 Vacation Guilt is a Real Thing18:51 What's Worker Power Got to Do With It?20:20 Decline in Days Off: What the Data Says21:17 Vague Numbers of Vacation Days24:23 Cost of Travel is Up24:56 Statutory Leave Could Create Jobs26:28 What are Workers Leaving on the Table?28:48 How Much Does Vacation Time Cost Employers?31:08 Vacation Marxist Economics-Style34:40 The Curse of the Long-Weekend Vacation38:21 Could the Government Mandate Vacation Time?42:46 Executive Orders: ACFC wins and Americans with Children Act46:23 Spiritual Sponsors: Lizards!
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