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Whether it’s season-long fantasy rankings, NFL draft analysis, DFS dart throws, betting implications or anything else NFL-related, the Rotoworld Football Show has you covered. Listen as RotoPat, Denny Carter, Kyle Dvorchak and others from the Rotoworld crew give their analysis and opinions on all things NFL on the Fantasy Sports Writers Association’s 2019 winner for Best Fantasy Football Podcast.
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Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter break down the latest NFL news, beginning with the surprising tidbit that Rashee Rice has avoided league discipline for his latest off-the-field issues. Pat and Denny debate his fantasy fit for 2026 before moving on to Ben Johnson’s glowing words on Luther Burden and the latest A.J. Brown trade rumors. They spend the second half of the show breaking down the back half of Pat’s just-released coach rankings. Who are they most bullish and bearish on amongst the new hires? They also debate Mike McCarthy’s Steelers landing spot, if Brian Schottenheimer was actually that bad, and if there’s any hope for Dan Quinn in Washington. (2:45) – Denny gives his latest update on his Fantasy Baseball journey this season (5:55) – Top Headlines: Tank Dell reportedly in line to return in Week 1, league rules Rashee Rice didn’t violate personal conduct policy (18:30) – More News & Notes: Ben Johnson foreshadows more Luther Burden III touches, latest on A.J. Brown saga (32:00) – New Coaching Hires: Examining the hot/cold meter on Kevin Stefanski, Robert Saleh, and Mike McCarthy (49:35) – Coach Rankings #11-22: Brian Schottenheimer, Dan Quinn, Aaron GlennSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) welcome in special guest Pat Kerrane (@PatKerrane) with Mr. Denny Carter on vacation. They begin by discussing Kerrane’s favorite and least favorite free agent fits, with a particular focus on Mike Evans. Next, Kerrane lays out his favorite rookie receiver and running back picks in best ball, with Ohio State WR Carnell Tate leading the way. Pat also makes the case for an inevitable Jeremiyah Love. Elsewhere, they ponder Fernando Mendoza’s “savior status” in Las Vegas after the Raiders signed Kirk Cousin, and Kerrane takes issue with Daugherty’s Nick Sirianni logic in his upcoming coach rankings. They end with Kerrane evaluating candidates for this year's "legendary running backs" article. (2:10) – When April fool’s day goes wrong (7:15) – Favorite and least favorite Free Agency signings (23:05) – Rookie WRs to target in drafts (41:45) – Is there Rookie RB relevance outside of Jeremiyah Love? (49:00) – Projecting Fernando Mendoza with the Raiders after Kirk Cousins’ reported signing (56:50) – Kerrane’s questions for Pat’s upcoming coach rankings column (1:06:00) – Potential candidates for “legendary RBs” in 2026See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter welcome in NBC draft expert Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) to break down some of this year’s biggest prospects. Is there a spreadsheet disconnect with Notre Dame RB Jeremiyah Love? What about Oregon TE Kenyon Sadiq? Connor also provides his thoughts on Alabama QB Ty Simpson and potential sleepers at both running back and wide receiver. Before Connor joins, Pat and Denny break down Matt LaFleur’s pledge to remake the Packers’ offense, as well as Christian McCaffrey’s potentially diminishing workload and Chris Olave’s long-term WR1 status. (2:50) – Pat and Denny react to a eyebrow-raising comment from Aaron Glenn regarding Geno Smith (9:00) – Top Headlines: Matt LaFleur acknowledges unhappy offensive players in 2025, Kyle Shanahan hints at change in Christian McCaffrey’s workload (22:25) – More News & Notes: Browns owner details Deshaun Watson’s chances at starting this season, Chris Olave back on WR1 radar? (28:40) – Connor Rogers joins the show (33:00) – Why Jeremiyah Love is #1 on Connor’s big board (38:20) – Analyzing Oregon TE Kenyon Sadiq (46:10) – Ty Simpson’s draft ceiling (50:25) – Projecting Arkansas RB Mike Washington Jr. (53:30) – Notable under-the-radar prospectsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter break down all the latest NFL news, beginning with the scuttlebutt over Alabama QB Ty Simpson’s draft status. Is he actually a first-round talent, and would he be a disastrous fit with the Jets, for whom he will work out? They then ponder Jaxon Smith-Njigba’s ADP following his record-setting extension, Ladd McConkey’s bounce-back odds and much more. That includes Zay Flowers’ ceiling or lack thereof, Jauan Jennings and Stefon Diggs’ quiet free agency, RJ Harvey’s upside, and Brian Robinson’s new home. (2:00) – Denny details his excitement returning to Fantasy Baseball (6:30) – Top Headlines: Jets bring in Ty Simpson for private workout, Jaxon Smith-Njigba signs 4-year extension (24:00) – WR News & Notes: Potential bounce-back year for Ladd McConkey, timeline for Zay Flowers extension, Jauan Jennings or Stefon Diggs in FA? (40:20) – RB Roundup: Brian Robinson signs 1-year deal with Falcons, Najee Harris visits Seahawks, RJ Harvey reportedly ready for “jump” in 2nd season, navigating the Jaguars’ backfield (54:00) – Favorite and Least Favorite Best Ball draft picks from Tuesday’s showSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter take advantage of a slow news period to get in their first best ball draft of the 2026 offseason. They debate which teams to stack before settling on the Bears and Giants. Along the way they have no shortage of player debates, including Colston Loveland vs. Tyler Warren, CeeDee Lamb vs. George Pickens, and so much more. They end up with slam dunks like Lamb and Malik Nabers, and less sure things, like Malik Willis and Rome Odunze. (1:50) – Denny reveals his process for drafting his Fantasy Baseball team (8:00) – Potential teams to stack: 49ers, Bears, Saints, Bucs (13:35) – Draft begins, Pat and Denny secure 9th pick (17:25) – CeeDee Lamb drafted in the 1st Round (19:15) – Malik Nabers selected in the 2nd Round (24:00) – 3rd, 4th, and 5th Round Picks: Josh Jacobs, Coleston Loveland, and Rome Odunze (31:20) – 6th, 7th, and 8th Round Picks: Caleb Williams, Jaxson Dart, Kyle Monangai (40:10) – 9th, 10th, and 11th Round Picks: Kenneth Gainwell, Michael Pittman Jr., and Mike Washington Jr. (47:55) – 12th, 13th, and 14th Round Picks: Malik Willis, Juwan Johnson, Emanuel Wilson (55:15) – 15th, 16th, and 17th Round Picks: Adonai Mitchell, T.J. Hockenson, Theo Johnson (1:01:00) – 18th, 19th, and 20th Round Picks: Emari Demercado, Sean Tucker, and Treylon BurksSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter break down the latest NFL news before diving into some favorite and not-so-favorite free agency player fits. On the news front, they debate: Is De’Von Achane going to be traded or not? They also break down Carson Wentz’s Vikings return, Jeremiyah Love’s draft ceiling, Tyler Warren’s 2026 ceiling and more. That includes items on Isaiah Likely and Oronde Gadsden. On the free agency beat, they praise the landing spots for Keaton Mitchell and Jaylen Waddle before lamenting them for Rashid Shaheed and Alec Pierce. (2:25) – Denny reveals his Final Four picks (7:40) – Top Headlines: Vikings bring back Carson Wentz, De’Von Achane reportedly not on trade block, Jeremiyah Love’s reported “draft window” in Round 1 (26:20) – TE News & Notes: Reported roles for Tyler Warren, Isaiah Likely, and Oronde Gadsden II in 2026 (39:25) – Is the arrow pointing up for Isaac TeSlaa? (42:25) – Favorite Player-Specific Free Agency fits: Keaton Mitchell, Emari Demercado, Jaylen Waddle (51:05) – Least Favorite Player-Specific Free Agency fits: Rashid Shaheed, Alec PierceSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down the latest NFL news, including Jaylen Waddle’s surprising trade to the Broncos. Can Waddle supplant Courtland Sutton as Denver’s WR1? Next, they assess Kyler Murray’s fit in Minnesota before examining the landing spots for Justin Fields and Christian Kirk. They debate Dallas Goedert’s Eagles return, the Commanders’ crowded backfield, Chris Rodriguez’s starting odds and more before getting into Kyle and Denny’s recent free agency articles. Who has done the best on the open market, and who has done the worst? (2:00) – Pat, Denny, and Kyle detail their St. Patrick’s Day traditions and uncover a new trend (6:10) – Top Headlines: Broncos trade for Jaylen Waddle, Kyler Murray signs with Vikings, Chiefs trade for Justin Fields (25:25) – More News & Notes: Christian Kirk lands with 49ers, Dallas Goedert returns to Eagles (33:30) – RB Roundup: Commanders add to their RB room, Chris Rodriguez’s role with Jaguars, Emari Demercado joins Chiefs, Zach Charbonnet injury update (48:45) – Best NFC and AFC grades in free agency (55:35) – Worst NFC and AFC grades in free agencySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down a newsy “second wave” of free agency, beginning with Daniel Jones’ official return to the Colts. Do we at least like this move in fantasy football? Next, they dig under the hood at running back, debating the signings of Tyler Allgeier, Kenneth Gainwell, Rachaad White and much more. That includes Chris Rodriguez’s fit in Jacksonville, J.K. Dobbins’ return to Denver, and Keaton Mitchell’s Chargers arrival. Along the way they also find time to talk about Isaiah Likely and Chig Okonkwo’s new homes. (2:00) – Pat, Denny, and Kyle deconstruct the curious cancellation of the Ravens trade for Maxx Crosby (8:25) – Top Headlines: Daniel Jones re-ups with Colts, Tyler Allgeier joins Cardinals backfield, Kenneth Gainwell lands with Bucs (26:30) – More RB Moves, Pt 1: Chris Rodriguez links with Jaguars, Rachaad White joins Commanders, J.K. Dobbins returns to Broncos (38:15) – More RB Moves, Pt 2: Keaton Mitchell signs with Chargers, Isiah Pacheco added to Lions (49:20) – TE Free Agency Moves: Isaiah Likely signs with Giants, Chig Okonkwo heads to CommandersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down a wild first two days of free agency, beginning with Kenneth Walker III’s impact move to the Chiefs. How high is too high for the Super Bowl MVP in fantasy? Next, they assess Travis Etienne’s move to New Orleans, Mike Evans’ shock 49ers signing, Tua Tagovailoa’s Falcons flier and much more. That includes debates on Malik Willis, Romeo Doubs, Michael Pittman Jr., Geno Smith, and Rico Dowdle. (2:40) – Denny questions the report that Patrick Mahomes “has a chip on his shoulder” entering 2026 (3:55) – RB FA Headlines: Kenneth Walker III lands with Chiefs, Travis Etienne joins Saints (21:20) – WR FA Headlines: Mike Evans links with 49ers, Wan’Dale Robinson agrees to deal with Titans, Romeo Doubs joins Patriots, Michael Pittman Jr. traded to Steelers (39:45) – QB FA Headlines: Malik Willis heads south to Dolphins while Tua Tagovailoa lands with Falcons, Jets trade for Geno Smith (55:10) – Why Pat and Kyle are bullish on Rico Dowdle signing with the Steelers See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down all the latest NFL news in a busy week ahead of free agency. They break down DJ Moore’s trade to Buffalo, as well as Stefon Diggs’ release from the Patriots. They also debate where Kyler Murray might end up, where Alec Pierce fits best, and whether they still care about Darnell Mooney. Next, they throw out their favorite free agents, including more “under the radar” fits, featuring names such as Wan’Dale Robinson, Rico Dowdle, and even Darren Waller. Description: (0:30) – Congrats to Pat on child #5 (6:50) – DJ Moore traded to Buffalo (16:45) – Kyler Murray now a Free Agent (22:05) – Alec Pierce surprisingly a Free Agent (26:20) – Stefon Diggs released by Patriots (30:15) – WR Darnell Mooney cut by Falcons (33:45) - Evaluating the QB Free Agency landscape (39:30) - Under the radar RB options (50:25) - Favorite WR option in the open market See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) whip through headlines around the league, including the Jets applying the franchise tag to Breece Hall, the Seahawks refusal to do so with Ken Walker III, and the impact of the Texans trading for David Montgomery. The duo also highlights items related to Tua Tagovailoa, Mac Jones, and DeVonta Smith before diving into which prospects helped themselves most at the NFL Combine. Jeremiyah Love, Kenyon Sadiq, and Zachariah Branch are among the players discussed. (0:45) – Denny and Kyle detail why Pat is missing on the show (4:20) – Top Headlines: Jets place franchise tag on Breece Hall, Seahawks decline tag on Ken Walker III, Texans trade for David Montgomery (25:20) – More News & Notes: Tua Tagovailoa reportedly a “second-tier” option for Vikings, latest Mac Jones trade chatter, potential role increase for DeVonta Smith (38:50) – RB Combine Takeaways: Jeremiyah Love, Mike Washington (45:30) – TE Combine Takeaways: Kenyon Sadiq, Eli Stowers (54:50) – WR Combine Takeaways: Zachariah Branch, Skyler Bell **Audio Courtesy of NBC SportsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down the latest news coming out of the NFL Combine, most of it quarterback-focused. First, however, they debate Sean Payton handing over play-calling duties to Davis Webb. Is this actually a smart move for one of the NFL’s most celebrated offensive minds? Next they dive into the reports that Derek Carr might un-retire, that Anthony Richardson and Tyson Bagent (!) could be traded, and that J.J. McCarthy will for sure face competition. They also look into items on Kyler Murray, Mac Jones, Brian Thomas Jr. and D.J. Moore in a jam-packed show. (2:20) – Is Brandon Aubrey worth $10 Million per season? (6:50) – Analyzing Sean Payton handing over play-calling duties to Davis Webb (14:25) – QB Headlines, Pt. 1: Michael Penix Jr. and J.J. McCarthy’s starter status in doubt for 2026, Malik Willis’ potential salary ceiling in free agency, Derek Carr reportedly eyes return to NFL (23:30) – QB Headlines, Pt. 2: Speculation of Kyler Murray seeking release from Cardinals, Anthony Richardson trade suitors, latest buzz on market for Tyson Bagent and Mac Jones (46:50) – More News & Notes: Potential trade market for Brian Thomas Jr. and D.J. Moore, report of Eagles turning to “Shanahan tree offensive philosophies” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter break down a busy week of NFL news, beginning with Kirk Cousins’ release from the Falcons and Kyle Pitts’ impending franchise tag. How good was Cousins in 2025, and where might he end up? Is Pitts a fantasy bust waiting to happen as the Falcons change QBs? Next, they break down George Pickens’ expected franchise tag, Javonte Williams’ new deal, the Chiefs’ reported Travis Etienne interest and much more. That includes items on A.J. Brown and Malik Willis. To end the show, they take a look at Denny’s recent article on quarterback luck, both good and otherwise. Is Trevor Lawrence primed to take another step forward in 2026? (2:00) – Pat and Denny reflect on the Winter Olympics on Milan Cortina (6:45) – Top Headlines: Falcons plan to release Kirk Cousins and franchise tag Kyle Pitts, Cowboys to apply franchise tag on George Pickens (24:30) – RB Roundup: Cowboys sign Javonte Williams to 3-year extension, potential Travis Etienne-Chiefs pairing in free agency (35:45) – More News & Notes: Howie Roseman opens door to trading A.J. Brown, more reports of Dolphins’ interest in Malik Willis, Najee Harris nears return from Achilles injury (46:40) – 2025 QB Luck: Trevor Lawrence and Jayden Daniels as “unlucky”, while Brock Purdy and Daniel Jones were “lucky” last seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down the latest NFL news before delving into Kyle’s recent Mock Draft 1.0. On the news front, they debate recent items on Cam Ward, Mac Jones potentially heading to the Vikings, Tyler Allgeier and more. That includes Isaiah Likely’s free agency prospects and Justin Fields’ dynasty future. On the draft front, Kyle gives us his WR1, his projection for first-round wideouts, Jeremiyah Love’s odds of going in the top 10 and so much more. Will there be two first-round quarterbacks, and which team is most likely to go off the board in the top 32? (2:10) – Does Mark Cuban have a point that tanking is good? (9:45) – Top Headlines: Brian Daboll gushes over Cam Ward, Vikings-Mac Jones trade buzz (23:50) – More News & Notes: Tyler Allgeier and Isaiah Likely reportedly ready to move on from their respective teams in FA, Justin Fields as a cut candidate (39:00) – Kyle’s Mock Draft Impressions, Pt. 1: Who is the WR1 in the class, Kenyon Sadiq intrigue + how many WR selected in Round 1? (47:30) – Kyle’s Mock Draft Impressions, Pt. 2: Jeremiyah Love’s draft ceiling, second QB to be selected, biggest “wild card” teamsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter break down the latest NFL news, beginning with Tyreek Hill’s release in Miami. Will the veteran wideout even play in 2026, and if he does, where is the best fit? Next, they move on to Seattle’s surprising hire of 49ers TEs coach Brian Fleury as Klint Kubiak’s replacement at offensive coordinator. Is it too risky? They also assess Jaxson Dart’s fit with new OC Matt Nagy, the potential that Breece Hall is franchise tagged, and so much more. That includes items on James Conner, Mike Evans and Terry McLaurin. (2:35) – Pat and Denny discuss the general public’s lack of special awareness (7:40) – Top Headlines: Tyreek Hill among multiple Dolphins cut, Seahawks name Brian Fleury OC (26:30) – More News & Notes: Matt Nagy’s fit with Jaxson Dart, Jets expected to franchise tag Breece Hall, James Conner as a potential cut candidate (41:00) – WR Roundup: Terry McLaurin to be centerpiece of the Commanders' attack, Mike Evans’ reported return in 2026, Travis Hunter expected to be full-time CB next seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
With Super Bowl LX in the rearview, we look back on the best moments from Radio Row with Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter, including JJ Zachariason’s breakdown of a dwindling WR2 landscape, Kevin Clark stumping for Cam Ward after an underwhelming rookie season, and Sheil Kapadia detailing how the Eagles can rebound next season. Plus, Pat and Denny detail their exploits in San Francisco – including a bizarre encounter upon landing in Northern California. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down the latest NFL news, beginning with the final few spins of the coaching cycle. Just what are the Dolphins and Giants hoping to accomplish with their assistant hires? They also break down Klint Kubiak’s official arrival in Las Vegas. On the player front, they talk about Fernando Mendoza’s fit with Kubiak, the Bucs’ new OC comparing Bucky Irving to Bijan Robinson, and the likelihood the Cardinals move on from Kyler Murray. Are we positive that’s the right call for Arizona? They also check in on the latest on Aaron Rodgers and George Pickens. (3:20) – Examining the potential for NFL trade limits to extend from three to five years of draft picks (8:00) – Dolphins hire Kevin Patullo as Passing Game Coordinator (14:25) – Impressions of Klink Kubiak taking over the Raiders with Fernando Mendoza likely their #1 pick (26:50) – Brian Callahan named Giants Passing Game Coordinator (34:55) – Cardinals reportedly plan to move on from Kyler Murray (40:00) – Zac Robinson compares Bucky Irving’s passing game skill set to Bijan Robinson (45:25) – Cardinals and Dolphins reportedly in the mix for Malik Willis in free agency (49:00) – Expectations of a possible Aaron Rodgers-Steelers reunion next year (51:15) – Should the Cowboys franchise tag George Pickens?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat), Denny Carter and Kyle Dvorchak (@kyletweetshere) break down Super Bowl LX from every angle. First, was this a surprising result? Second, did the Patriots and Drake Maye get “exposed”? Looking beyond the game, they debate the futures of Kenneth Walker and the Pats’ skill corps, as well as Sam Darnold’s place in the current quarterback pantheon. Is he someone we would prefer over Brock Purdy and Jared Goff, for instance? Pat and Denny also reminisce on their time in San Francisco and ponder what went right and wrong with their “big game” predictions. (2:10) – Pat details an interesting run-in with a waiter while in San Francisco (3:55) – The crew reflects on their Waymo experiences on the West Coast (9:15) – Surprised by the Seahawks dominance? (19:10) – Examining Drake Maye’s playoff run (25:55) – How the Patriots can improve their skill corps (28:50) – Kenneth Walker III secures Super Bowl MVP as free agency looms (37:20) – Rather have Sam Darnold or Brock Purdy?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter welcome in The Ringer's Sheil Kapadia (@SheilKapadia) for their last day from Super Bowl Radio Row. Sheil provides his predictions on the "big game," including what happens if the Seahawks' rushing attack gets shut down. He also provides his thoughts on the best and worst hires from the recently completed coaching cycle. Pat and Denny end the show and week with final game thoughts and an examination of the DFS landscape. (1:45) – Ken Walker III vs Patriots run defense (8:35) – Examining the Drake Maye discourse (15:20) – Favorite and least favorite Head Coaching hire (21:25) – Breaking down the Eagles after a underwhelming season (28:00) – Super Bowl LX DFS breakdown (34:10) – Super Bowl LX “x-factors”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter usher in Day 3 of the Rotoworld Football Show from Super Bowl Radio Row with special guest Kevin Clark (@ByKevinClark) of Omaha Productions’ This Is Football. They get Kevin’s big-picture thoughts on the Super Bowl, Drake Maye and Mike Vrabel before grilling him on his Cam Ward takes. They also get his opinion on his favorite coaching cycle hire before bidding adieu and breaking down the latest OC hirings. That includes Nathaniel Hackett in Arizona and Matt Nagy (Giants) and Frank Reich (Jets) both heading to New York City. (3:15) – Has Scottie Scheffler made golf boring? (7:00) – Super Bowl LX breakdown, examining Drake Maye detractors, Mike Vrabel’s success (20:20) – Analyzing Cam Ward’s rookie season (27:30) – Favorite coach and coordinator hire this cycle (33:15) – More News & Notes: Drake Maye’s shoulder injury (37:00) – Offensive Coordinate Hires: Nathaniel Hackett joins Cardinals, Matt Nagy lands with Giants OC, Jets hire Frank Reich See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.






Somebody needs to finally let these guys know that "down bad" means horny... I can't believe they're still using it repeatedly. Lol
Stroup is the man! funny but not annoying as other FF analysts who try hard to be entertaining. i listen to both roundball stew and good football show from NBC sports edge, thanks for the great content
??? do i start Duarte against Green Bay? lol
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one of the best fantasy football podcasts out there. I love the insight and player evaluations by Josh Norris and Evan Silva.