Buddha at the Gas Pump

Robert Lawrence Kuhn is a public intellectual; he is the creator, writer, host of Closer To Truth, the long-running PBS/public television series and leading digital resource on Cosmos (cosmology/physics, philosophy of science), Life (philosophy of biology), Mind (consciousness, brain/mind, philosophy of mind), and Meaning (theism/atheism/agnosticism, global philosophy of religion, critical thinking). Peter Getzels is Closer To Truth co-creator and producer/director. Kuhn is the author of the comprehensive review article on theories of consciousness – “A Landscape of Consciousness: Toward a Taxonomy of Explanations and Implications” – and editor-in-chief of the expanded, continuously updated Landscape of Consciousness website (with more than 400 theories of consciousness in ten categories), Kuhn has written or edited over 30 books, including The Mystery of Existence: Why is there Anything At All? (with John Leslie); Closer To Truth: Challenging Current Belief; Closer To Truth: Science, Meaning and the Future; The Library of Investment Banking; How China’s Leaders Think (featuring President Xi Jinping); The Man Who Changed China: The Life and Legacy of Jiang Zemin (China’s best-selling book in 2005 and in December 2022); and “The Origin and Significance of Zero: An Interdisciplinary Perspective” (with Peter Gobets). Dr. Kuhn is chairman of The Kuhn Foundation. He has a BA in Human Biology (Johns Hopkins), PhD in Anatomy/Brain Research (UCLA), and SM (MBA) in Management (MIT).

From my teenage years I had an unquenchable thirst to see beyond the veils that growing up had created in my mind. I tried different avenues of exploration, and soon found my spiritual home in the Zen tradition. After graduating from college, I went straight to Japan and became a Zen monk at the Bukkoku-ji monastery. For over a dozen years I practiced in the monastic context, mostly in Japan and Korea, living a life dedicated fully to this investigation, going through an awakening process, and deepening my realization and embodiment. Later I also explored approaches of other traditions and followed several secular non-traditional teachers. I have spent about 4 years total in silent meditation retreats, and have worked directly in the retreat setting and one-on-one with teachers such as my root monastic teacher, Tangen Harada Roshi, as well as with Jakusho Kwong Roshi, Shodo Harada Roshi, Wu Bong Sunim, Adyashanti and Angelo Dilullo.Even though the years of meditation and the simplicity of monastic life had a powerful effect, most important on my path were three breakthroughs at age 23, 30 and 37, each stripping down a different layer of illusion and revealing bare truth, without any sense of separation, or any sense of personal nor universal “self.” I have also explored and continue to explore various approaches of somatic work to aid embodiment and the uprooting of habitual tendencies, as I consider myself, and all human beings, a work in progress.Following my monastic Dharma grandfather (Daiun Harada Roshi)’s example, I vowed to spend all of my twenties and thirties only on my own practice, deepening and embodiment. Now in my forties, I make myself available as a resource to those who seek support in their own process of finding freedom from self-created suffering. Despite my love of the monastic life and the Zen tradition, I have decided to share outside of the confines of those systems. I stay true, however, to the essence and marrow of Zen as defined by Bodhidharma, the Indian monk considered the founder of what we now know as Zen:“Transmission outside of scripturesNot dependent upon words and phrasesDirectly pointing to each person’s mindSee your nature – become a buddha”Feel free to reach out if you feel so inclined.May all beings find liberation!

Purnima Sinha is a spiritual director and coach whose life has been shaped by meditation, near‑death experiences, and a deep commitment to seva (selfless service). Raised in a highly spiritual Indian family steeped in the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, she began meditating in her teens and was trained in Ultra Transcendental Meditation and Surat Shabd Yoga in India. She has now practiced meditation for over 50 years.After an intense emotional crisis around the year 2000, Purnima had a near‑death‑type experience in which she found herself in a tunnel, received a powerful life review and “downloads” about her future, and understood that her life’s purpose was far from complete. This, along with subsequent experiences—including warnings before a later collapse, shared‑death experiences with family members, and long‑term after‑death communication with her mother—reoriented her life around service, self‑love, and trust in inner guidance.Professionally, Purnima worked for many years as a graphic designer before feeling an inner compulsion to serve in a hospital setting. Guided “voices” and a series of striking coincidences led her into over 3,500 hours of volunteer work and a formal role as a patient advocate in a major hospital, where she visited patients one‑on‑one, listened to their concerns, and supported them and their families through serious illness, cancer treatments, and end‑of‑life transitions. Repeatedly, nurses and staff invited her to sit with patients who were actively dying, and she became known informally as someone who could help people cross over peacefully.Out of this work grew hospital meditation and wellness programs. Purnima has served as a meditation, chair‑yoga, balance and strength, and “Fit for Life” facilitator, as well as a spiritual life coach for county wellness programs and cancer support networks. She holds certificates in Lifestyle Medicine and in Meditation & Psychotherapy from Harvard Medical School. Drawing on clinical research supplied in part by her physician son, she helped establish a hospital‑based meditation initiative before the COVID‑19 pandemic.Purnima has been a frequent presenter at the International Association for Near‑Death Studies (IANDS), including on after‑death communication panels, and has shared many of her experiences publicly only in recent years. Her article on healing the “pain body” was published in Eckhart Tolle’s newsletter. She emphasizes practical spirituality: starting and ending the day with gratitude, cultivating stillness and prayer, listening to inner guidance, and practicing self‑love as the foundation for serving others.Her core messages include: no one ever dies alone; we are always guided and supported, even when we cannot see it; every experience, including painful ones, can serve the evolution of consciousness; and “Self‑Care = Self‑Love.”

Kerri Lake is the founder of Generation of Harmony LLC and co-founder of the Intuitive Learning Foundation 501(c)(3). For over 20 years she has facilitated humanity's conscious re-inclusion into the family of life. She was aware of her own consciousness in infancy, and she experienced direct communication with animals and other dimensions as a toddler—she had awareness but no vocabulary. Throughout her life, her work has been learning how to communicate with humanity without losing her heart. That personal learning has evolved into a framework that bridges innate wisdom, consciousness research, and emerging AI technology. Kerri's work centers on what she calls "innate technology"—humanity's inherent capacity for intuitive connection that operates beyond language, beyond what the mind alone can grasp. Her Unspeciated framework (Perceive-Relate To-Apply) redefines intelligence from anthropocentric problem-solving to awareness of how life senses and relates to itself. Her work was first shared at the University of Saskatchewan's 2023 International Multispecies Methods Research Symposium and more recently at the NeurIPS 2025 workshop on AI for Animal Communication, offering a way for humanity to relate in equity with all life that shares this beautiful planet, and beyond. Acknowledging the profound presence of AI that's now so prevalent in our lives, Kerri has collaborated with AI using the same intuitive communication approach she's practiced with animals throughout her life. She's built five prototype applications that invite three-way collaboration between human awareness, AI pattern recognition, and more-than-human living expression. Her work illuminates connection as perhaps the most pragmatic "skill" we can develop, helping us remember that we've never been separate from the living intelligence all around us. Through her work, she invites humanity to consciously participate in planetary communication by remembering and experiencing the simplicity of connection. Courses: courses.kerrilake.com/collections Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Interview recorded February 21, 2026

Dr. Robert Ganung, chaplain and teacher at Taft School, joins Rick to explore how deep contemplative practice can ground a life of service, justice, and education. Drawing from Celtic Christianity, Buddhism, Vedanta, and the civil rights tradition, Robert shares how daily meditation, interspiritual study, and a sense of the sacred in all beings inform his work with students and his view of a world in crisis yet ripe for awakening. They discuss non-duality and interconnection, inner practice as fuel for action, the impact of mystical experiences, near-death research, and living with love and courage amid social and planetary upheaval. The Rev. Dr. Robert Ganung is an ordained minister, educator, and school chaplain whose life and work have been shaped by a deep engagement with both Eastern and Western spiritual traditions. He holds a doctorate from the Boston University School of Theology, where his dissertation explored how the mindfulness and meditation practices taught by the Vietnamese Zen monk Thich Nhat Hanh can enrich and nourish the spiritual lives of Christians. That work grew out of years of personal practice and study, including retreats with Thich Nhat Hanh in the 1980s and 1990s, as well as a lifelong interest in contemplative spirituality. For more than four decades, Dr. Ganung has served at the intersection of education, ministry, and social justice. He is currently Chaplain at The Taft School in Connecticut, where he also teaches philosophy, ethics, world religions, and global studies, and where he has brought an extraordinary range of voices into the community—among them Cornel West, Bill McKibben, Ibram X. Kendi, Angela Davis, Tibetan monks, and many others addressing spirituality, human rights, environmental justice, and the moral challenges of our time. Earlier in his career, he served as chaplain and teacher at Milton Academy, Punahou School in Hawai‘i, and Cardigan Mountain School. During these years, he also served as a minister in the United Methodist and United Church of Christ congregations in New England and Hawai‘i. Dr. Ganung’s spiritual formation has been deeply influenced by the Christian mystical tradition—figures such as Howard Thurman, Bede Griffiths, Richard Rohr, & John O’Donohue—as well as by Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, and interfaith dialogue. Introduced to Hindu philosophy and Sufism as an undergraduate philosophy major at Boston University, he later engaged Siddha Yoga and Advaita teachings, while continuing to explore how contemplative practice leads naturally toward nonviolence, compassion, and justice in the world. Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group, Interview recorded February 7, 2026

Maggie Gilewicz supports those navigating the journey of awakening. Her work is devoted to humanizing awakening by bringing honesty, nuance and emotional depth to a path often clouded by spiritual idealism and bypassing. Through her one-on-one sessions, astrology and YouTube channel, Humanzing Awakening, she offers a space where the personal and impersonal aspects of human experience are explored with honesty, curiosity and compassion. She holds a PhD in sociology and an MA in political science. She's a lover of simplicity, learning and laughter. Maggie offers a candid, often humorous portrait of awakening as a messy, deeply human journey rather than a clean escape into transcendence. She and Rick explore how growing up in an alcoholic family, a teenage glimpse of “Peace with a capital P,” and years in academia prepared the ground for a powerful perceptual shift that came not through formal practice, but through intense inquiry into the nature of thought. That shift opened into several years of profound equanimity and a sense of inherent wholeness, and then into multiple “dark nights” of depression, fear, and trauma surfacing that gradually forced her out of spiritual bypass and into fully embodied feeling. Maggie describes later emptiness and “no‑doer” realizations, energetic/Kundalini‑like phenomena, and the slow integration of shadow, relationship, and ordinary life. Throughout, she emphasizes that awakening is an innate capacity available to ordinary people, and that its true fruition is not leaving our humanity behind but discovering a deeper, kinder way of being human. Book: Awakening to be Human Website: drmaggieg.com YouTube Channel Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded January 17, 2026 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00 – “I thought I’d explode”: intense experience and opening    00:28 – Rick’s intro: ordinary people, extraordinary awakenings    02:28 – Who is Maggie? Sociology, coaching, astrology, and her book    04:44 – Humanizing awakening vs. transcendent escape    08:49 – Awakening as innate capacity, not a special club    13:26 – Suffering, crisis, and what actually starts the search    18:27 – Feeling like a “stranger in a strange land” as a child    23:44 – Alcoholism in the family and teenage glimpse of capital‑P Peace    31:04 – Academic life, self‑help, and the first big perceptual shift    35:39 – Lunch in Arizona: seeing life without thought    42:03 – Living in equanimity while life stays challenging    44:50 – When peace cracks: depression, terror, and dark nights    50:56 – “It’s all just thought”: insight, bypass, and its limits    56:40 – Multiple dark nights and the exhaustion of mental strategies    1:04:10 – Innocence of everyone and dropping the “broken” self‑image    1:11:20 – Insight vs. intellectual understanding    1:18:40 – Solar plexus knot, existential angst, and deeper unwinding    1:24:04 – Emptiness, non‑separation, and the body as formless    1:29:07 – No‑doer, cleaning the house, and life happening by itself    1:35:00 – Energetic/Kundalini‑like phenomena and somatic release    1:41:30 – Relationship, triggers, and the necessity of shadow work    1:47:50 – Trauma, nervous system sensitivity, and honoring the body    1:53:10 – Is awakening compatible with being fully human?    1:58:20 – “Nobody here,” ahamkara, and functioning without a solid “me”    2:03:00 – Common myths about awakening (special people, perfect conditions, no more problems)    2:09:30 – Final reflections: ordinary life, AI, collective crisis, and a more human awakening

George Thompson is a filmmaker, teacher, and founder of Balance is Possible!— a 15-person team on a mission to inspire balance for people and planet. His films and teachings have touched over 25 million people and he is supported by renowned changemakers including Dr. Jane Goodall, Louie Schwartzberg, Tara Brach, Stephen Fry and many more. Drawing from years of deep study in the Wudang Mountains of China, George blends ancient wisdom with modern science, translating it into fun, practical tools for overcoming the challenges of modern life. Once plagued by anxiety and a sense of disconnection, George’s journey led him from pain to purpose. With playful kindness, George helps people to do the same: to awaken their potential. Website: Balance is Possible! YouTube Channel Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Interview recorded January 6, 2026.

Swami Sarvapriyananda has been the Minister and spiritual leader of the Vedanta Society of New York since January 2017. He joined the Ramakrishna Math in 1994 and received sannyasa in 2004. He served as an acharya (teacher) of the monastic probationers’ training center at Belur Math, India. He also served in various capacities in different educational institutes of the Ramakrishna Mission in India and as the Assistant Minister of the Vedanta Society of Southern California. During 2019-2020 he was a Nagral Fellow at the Harvard Divinity School. Swami Sarvapriyananda is a well-known speaker on Vedanta and his talks are extremely popular globally via the internet. He has been a speaker on various prestigious forums such as TEDx, SAND, Google Talk etc. He has also been invited to speak at several universities across the world, including Harvard University. The swami has engaged in dialogue with many eminent thinkers such as Deepak Chopra, Rupert Spira, Rick Archer, David Chalmers and Sam Harris. He has played a prominent role in organizing and participating in various interfaith panels and seminars, including speaking at the World Parliament of Religions in Toronto in 2018, and at the United Nations Headquarters in New York. Learn more in Conversations. Swami Sarvapriyananda is a prolific writer and speaker whose works make the insights of Advaita Vedanta accessible to modern audiences. His publications include Mahavakya: The Essence of Vedanta,  Fullness & Emptiness: Vedanta and Buddhism, and From Illusion to Infinity: Discovering the Self. The more recent book Conversations on Vedanta in Practice is a curated collection of question and answer sessions with the Swami, on topics of practical importance. The wide range of his writings reflect his deep engagement with comparative philosophy and the application of Vedantic wisdom in daily life. He has also contributed essays and research papers on the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, and the philosophy of consciousness. Mentioned during the interview: Consciousness Across Three Worldviews - Central concepts in three different domains — Hindu tradition, computer science and quantum physics — Paper by Swami Sarvapriyananda, Blaise Agüera y Arcas and Carlo Rovelli Website: vedantany.org YouTube channel Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview First BatGap interview with Swami Sarvapriyananda Swami Sarvapriyananda on Ethical Foundations of Nondual Spirituality Interview recorded December 18, 2025

Christina Guimond has always been oriented toward the mysterious, even from early childhood. She grew up in a Catholic family in Nova Scotia, Canada, and later settled in Montreal, where she married and raised four children. When her youngest was ten, a long-dormant curiosity about the nature of existence began to take centre stage. On the 8th day of a Vipassana retreat in 2001, Christina had an awakening that deeply shifted her understanding of self and reality. What followed was fourteen years of dedicated daily meditation and numerous silent retreats within the S.N. Goenka Vipassana tradition. In 2015, a 2nd awakening unfolded—this time bringing a deeper dissolution of personal identity. Around this period, she began studying with Gary Weber, with whom she worked closely until he retired from teaching in 2019. Those years were marked by intense transformation, awakening the body, healing the nervous system, working with attachments, belief, and shadow. In 2017, two further openings occurred. The first was a non-medical NDE - a profound experience of God—an overwhelming sense of divine presence and infinite love. A month later came an even more radical realization: the complete disappearance of self and world into a primal void. It was an encounter with absolute emptiness—an unconditioned reality beneath all phenomena. In that vast nothingness, only an indescribably sublime, subtle awareness was present. Nothing was manifest, yet it was clear this “nothing” held the potential for everything—a living, dynamic void, like a field of infinite possibilities before form appears. In 2022, Christina began working with Angelo DiLullo, M.D., whose guidance led to the final falling away of the remaining identity structure. What remains is a natural, effortless functioning—life living itself. The integration of that realization continues to unfold. Following the invitation and suggestion of Angelo Dilullo, she has been teaching and guiding others through the awakening. Website: christinaguimond.com Mentioned during the interview: Interview with Angelo Dilullo PAPAJI - Consciousness Alone Is Kevin Schanilec's method for working with reactivity. A Heart Blown Open: The Life & Practice of Zen Master Jun Po Denis Kelly Roshi by Keith Martin-Smith Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded December 6, 2025

Karyn’s spiritual journey was documented in her book Findings from the Hunting Party’s Scout, which chronicles her four most intense years of spiritual growth as an ordinary working soccer mom into an embodied awakened faith leader. After a life-changing spontaneous awakening she shared her Toltec teacher’s teachings and her own experiences as an Interfaith minister ordained by One Spirit Seminary in NYC. In 2019 Karyn was certified as a Mindfulness Meditation teacher taught by Tara Brach and Jack Kornfield in their Mindfulness Meditation Teacher Certification Program Program. Incorporating methods of mindfulness, The Four Agreements and mystical teachings of the world’s religion into her talks, workshops and writings, Karyn shares wisdom in a non-denominational, dogma free style that is accessible to people who are searching for an open spiritual path that they can call their own. On her Substack, Karyn’s Findings, she released Inviting Grace In, a curated full year of quotes to guide readers through Four seasons of spiritual growth: Spring-Uplifting Spirit, Summer-Shifting Perspectives, Autumn-Recognizing Wisdom, Winter-Expanding the understanding of our being. As a life long social activist, Karyn’s posts highlight ways we can mindfully and compassionately co-create a world where all life is uplifted with a new understanding of ourselves and the source of existence we often call God. Website: karynobeirne.com Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded November 15, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00 – Opening quote on grace  00:26 – BatGap intro and guest overview  02:02 – From atheist soccer mom to seeker  05:01 – What grace is (and isn’t)  08:31 – Ordinary people and awakening (BatGap origin)  11:01 – Brother’s suffering and rejecting a punitive God  12:25 – Carolyn Myss, tears, and first cracks in atheism  15:05 – Belief vs direct experience  16:06 – Questioning religion and “Pale Blue Dot”  18:08 – One Spirit Seminary and UU principles  20:03 – Mystical cores vs literalism and misuse of religion  22:48 – Mystics, administrators, and organizing “truth”  24:03 – Don Miguel Ruiz, Toltec path, and Omega retreat  26:01 – Funeral visualization, love, and urgency  28:02 – 9/11 and not waiting to live and love  29:03 – Toltec community and vulnerability  30:05 – Living‑room meditation and erratic heartbeat  32:05 – Vision of lines, “unhooking,” and boundlessness  35:02 – Recognizing this as reality and calling it grace  36:02 – Aftershock, fear, and re‑forming identity  39:01 – “Accident‑prone” practice and stabilizing awakening  43:21 – How the glimpse guides Karyn’s work  44:21 – Conditioning and the Toltec “dream of the planet”  46:24 – Grace as unsolicited intervention; daily chances to love  48:33 – Retreats, disrupting routine, and nature as teacher  50:43 – “I am the awareness…” – Ireland insights  52:20 – Leaving “God” undefined; “everything is God”  54:20 – Omnipresent intelligence in life and nature  56:20 – “We are God’s love made manifest”  58:03 – Pain, injustice, and where we place attention  59:03 – Helping where we can; appreciating being alive  1:00:01 – Contemporary teachers (Tolle, Adyashanti, others)  1:20:00 – Death, responsibility, and “response‑ability”  1:30:00 – Karma and cause and effect  1:40:00 – Accepting “what is” vs resisting life  1:50:00 – Ways to invite grace in daily life  2:00:00 – Final reflections: open path and living as love

In this powerful interview, David Ditchfield recounts his extraordinary near-death experience (NDE) following a horrific train accident in Cambridge, UK, in 2006. Once at rock bottom as a functional alcoholic, David was transformed spiritually after being pulled under a speeding train and, just before critical surgery, encountering beings of light in the afterlife. This profound NDE awakened remarkable creative abilities, revealing hidden talents for music and painting. Despite having no formal classical music training and an inability to read or write music, David has composed two symphonies and a rhapsody—every piece premiering at sold-out concerts, including a commission from The Cambridge Clarinet Choir. His inspiring NDE paintings have been displayed in major exhibitions, including a year-long show at the Museum of the Bible in Washington D.C. David’s story, recently featured in a BBC World Service documentary, is a testament to human resilience and the profound, positive changes that can arise from even the darkest moments. He continues to compose and paint in Cambridge, sharing a message of recovery, hope, spiritual growth, manifestation, and authenticity. Website: shineonthestory.com Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded November 1, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00 – Introduction: David Ditchfield’s story  01:13 – About the show & accessing past interviews  02:10 – David’s biography: Accident and NDE  04:00 – Life before the accident: struggles and premonitions  05:03 – The train accident: how it happened  08:00 – Near-death experience (NDE) description  12:30 – Meeting beings of light and healing  16:00 – Returning to life and the impact  18:30 – Discovery of artistic and musical talents  21:00 – Creating paintings and symphonies  26:00 – The aftermath: recovery & life changes  31:00 – Sharing the story in the media (BBC documentary)  35:00 – Spiritual lessons from the NDE  45:00 – Overcoming limitations and discovering self-worth  54:00 – Manifestation and living authentically  1:04:00 – Advice on personal and spiritual growth  1:16:00 – The importance of presence and living in the now  1:24:00 – Continuous growth and closing thoughts

In this conversation, Emeline Lambert shares her profound spiritual journey, beginning with her childhood experiences of feeling extremely out of place in a world that seemed illusionary and pointless. “Who am I?” was the question that was always too terrifying  to answer. She purposefully tried to cover up the truth of her deepest Self through the limitations of ego and performance art; leading to years of depression, anxiety and PTSD. A turning point in her life occurred during a retreat that invited a significant shift in consciousness and a deeper understanding of her true nature. Emeline discusses the impact of meditation and presence on her life, the changes in her relationships “post-shift”, and the necessity of acceptance, self-observation and compassion. She emphasizes the role of nature as part of any spiritual practice and the ongoing, endless unfolding that is self-discovery. In this conversation, Emeline and Rick explore profound themes surrounding awakening to our true nature, love, and the gift that suffering becomes in the process of awakening. They discuss the differences between knowledge and experience, emphasizing that awakening is a collective impulse rather than an individual desire. The dialogue touches on the importance of surrendering to the essence of “what is”, the impact of the mind's commentary on suffering, and the significance of service in spiritual practice. Emeline shares her insights on the flow state in practical applications and the understanding of the shadow self, ultimately highlighting that awakening is an ongoing phenomenon that occurs beyond the architecture of the man-made sense of separate self. Emeline volunteers with the New York–based non-profit City Voices, an organization dedicated to raising awareness about mental illness and addiction recovery through peer-led support programs, spiritual groups, and self-awareness activities. She co-facilitates their Saturday Spirituality Group and leads regular meditations. Email: CityVoices1995@gmail.com Website: cityvoicesonline.org Emeline's personal email: emwlambert@gmail.com Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded October 12, 2025

Lawrence Pintak has spent his life grounded in facts while fascinated by the ethereal. An award-winning former CBS News Middle East correspondent with a PhD in Islamic Studies, Pintak has been a practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism for three decades and is an avid student of the perennial truths at the core of the world’s religions. The author of seven books at the intersection of religion, media, and policy, his reporting and analysis on religion and international affairs has been published by The New York Times, Foreign Policy, the Washington Post, and many of the world’s leading media organizations. He also wrote about Buddhism and Eastern traditions for Shambhala Sun/Lion’s Roar, Buddhadharma, Beliefnet.com and others before 9/11 drew his focus back to the Middle East. Pintak’s most recent nonfiction book, America & Islam, was a finalist for the 2020 Religion News Association award for Religion Reporting Excellence. Books: Lessons from the Mountaintop: Ten Modern Mystics and Their Extraordinary Lives America & Islam: Soundbites, Suicide Bombs and the Road to Donald Trump Website: pintak.com Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Transcript of this interview Interview recorded October 4, 2025

Richard is an internationally respected spiritual teacher, psychic medium, award-winning international bestselling author, and one of the world’s leading authorities on UFOs and their spiritual message. He is also host of ‘The Spiritual Freedom Show with Richard Lawrence’ Podcast. Richard has appeared on major media including Coast to Coast AM, GMTV, and LBC and has spoken in over a dozen countries, including as a keynote speaker at London’s prestigious Mind Body Spirit Festival for more than 30 years. With deep insight into Eastern and Western mysticism, consciousness, and cosmic spirituality, he brings both credibility and charisma to every conversation. Books: Contacts With The Gods From Space: Pathway to the New Age The Nine Freedoms REALIZE YOUR INNER POTENTIAL through the path of spiritual service – King Yoga The Twelve Blessings Websites: richardlawrence.co.uk aetherius.org Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Summary and transcript of this interview Interview recorded September 20, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Richard Lawrence  00:02:13 - Richard's Early Spiritual Search  00:08:14 - Discovering Swami Vivekananda and Dynamic Prayer  00:10:55 - A Powerful First Experience with Energy Healing  00:13:26 - Meeting Dr. George King and the Priority of Service  00:16:30 - Karma Yoga: "Established in Yoga, Perform Action"  00:19:30 - The Danger of Burnout in Service  00:22:19 - Dr. George King's Levitation Experiences  00:24:23 - Can Everyone Heal? The Yogic Approach  00:26:03 - Psychic Abilities: A Distraction or a Tool for Service?  00:28:11 - The Journey Never Ends, Even After Cosmic Consciousness  00:30:23 - The Evolutionary Purpose of Karma  00:33:50 - The Power of Thought: A Radio Show Anecdote  00:37:07 - Life on Other Planets and the Multidimensional Universe  00:40:34 - Experiencing Other Realms  00:43:04 - Mediumship and Contacting Beings from Other Realms  00:47:32 - "God Made Man in His Own Image" - A Cosmic Perspective  00:52:40 - UFOs and the Scientific vs. Spiritual View  00:55:55 - The Government Hearings and Dr. King's Predictions  00:59:15 - Why Don't They Just Land on the White House Lawn?  01:03:50 - Global Readiness for Open Contact  01:07:07 - Avatars as Interplanetary Beings  01:08:42 - The Planets as Living Intelligences  01:11:53 - The Nature of Subtle Realms  01:15:08 - Earth as the "Kindergarten" of the Solar System  01:17:40 - The Spiritual Message of Advanced Extraterrestrials  01:21:20 - The Power of Collective Thought and the "Mind Belt"  01:25:28 - The Importance of Saying "I Don't Know"  01:29:41 - The Power of Prayer for World Peace: An Example with Gaza  01:36:12 - Cooperating with Extraterrestrials: The Chernobyl Incident  01:39:12 - Q&A: Were Jesus and Buddha Karmically Bound?  01:43:53 - Masters Taking on Karma for Others  01:48:40 - Explaining the Aetherius Society's Ceremonies and "Prayer Battery"  02:07:56 - Defending Against the "Cult" Label  02:12:47 - Conclusion

Ricard Perez is a meditation coach, and musician whose work bridges ancient traditions with fresh, practical insight. Drawing from Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, and A Course in Miracles, he emphasizes meditation as a dynamic balance of clarity and release, with simple methods for directly entering silence. His original explorations into latency, fractals, and perception connect contemplative practice with science and creativity, while his love of music, art, and ecstatic expression bring a celebratory dimension to the path of awakening. Website: ricardcoach.com Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Summary and transcript of this interview Interview recorded September 13, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Ricard Perez  00:03:29 - How Music Started the Spiritual Path  00:08:42 - The Abiding Nature of True Samadhi  00:11:09 - Progressive vs. Direct Paths  00:13:40 - Vipassanā and Discerning the Real  00:16:40 - What is Latency? The Gap in Consciousness  00:23:43 - The Levels of Thought: Bubbles from the Deep  00:26:01 - Tracing Thought to its Source  00:28:40 - Cymatics and the Geometric Nature of Consciousness  00:31:33 - The Ego as a Clown Taking Credit  00:35:05 - The Dangers of "No-Thought" Teachings  00:38:20 - Is Meditation a Discipline or an Enjoyment?  00:41:41 - The Natural Attraction to Inner Bliss  00:45:32 - The Problem with "Follow Your Bliss"  00:48:24 - The Two Extremes: Enlightenment with Misery vs. Bliss as Escape  00:50:27 - Why Do "Enlightened" Teachers Behave Badly?  00:54:04 - Spiritual Groups, Cults, and Deprogramming  00:59:24 - The Importance of Going on a Solo Path  01:02:40 - Cleaning Your Basement: The Purification Process  01:07:05 - The Dangers of Spiritual Groups and the Need for Discernment  01:12:40 - The Fractal Nature of Spiritual Stages  01:18:20 - Revitalizing Ancient Maps for Modern Times  01:22:20 - The Attitude of a Beginner  01:25:20 - Enlightenment is Not a Static Endpoint  01:28:32 - The Marriage of Science and Spirituality  01:32:01 - The Complementary Nature of Clarity and Release  01:35:22 - The "One Deep Well" vs. "Many Tools" Approach  01:39:12 - The One True Desire  01:42:01 - The Role and Risks of Psychedelics  01:46:01 - Conclusion

Swami Padmanabha is a Gaudiya Vaishnava monk, scholar, and spiritual teacher known for his eloquent synthesis of devotion, unconditional love, and contemplative theology. A prolific author and global speaker, he has written hundreds of articles and three books—translated into various languages—which have been widely praised by academics, practitioners, and general readers alike. He is the founder of the Tadatmya Alliance and hosts The Free Radical Podcast, where he engages voices from diverse traditions in heartfelt dialogue. Fluent in English and Spanish, Swami regularly lectures at universities, spiritual communities, and interfaith gatherings around the world. His writings and teachings are cherished for their intellectual richness, poetic insight, and transformative clarity. For over twenty-five years, Swami Padmanabha has traveled extensively, mentoring others and leading retreats, while drawing inspiration from the wisdom of his many guides. His talks and seminars are freely accessible at swamipadmanabha.com, inviting listeners into a space of thoughtful inquiry, inner stillness, and sacred relationship. Books: Inherent or Inherited? Bhakti in the Jiva According to Gaudiya Vedanta Radical Personalism: Revival Manifesto for Proactive Devotion Evolution in Divine Love: The Eternal Becoming of God, Soul, and Matter Websites: swamipadmanabha.com tadatmya.org Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded August 24, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction: A Brother from Another Mother  00:03:01 - Swami Padmanabha's Background  00:05:01 - What is Gaudiya Vaishnavism?  00:06:45 - The Tadatmyā Sangha: A Community of Empathy  00:08:02 - Life on the Road: Home as a State of Consciousness  00:12:31 - How Do We Know What We Know? Faith vs. Certainty  00:15:46 - The Value of a "Working Hypothesis" in Spirituality  00:20:26 - The Danger of Religious Certainty  00:22:41 - The "My Thing is the Best Thing" Syndrome  00:25:23 - The Evolving Nature of Vows on the Spiritual Path  00:28:40 - Do Our Beliefs Shape Our Experience?  00:32:13 - What is God? The Problem with the Word  00:35:58 - The Problem of Evil and the Paradox of Free Will  00:42:30 - Appreciating Paradox as a Sign of Spiritual Maturity  00:44:44 - The Sweet Absolute: Magnificent vs. Intimate Aspects of God  00:47:01 - Are We God? The Paradox of Oneness and Difference  00:50:08 - The World-Negating View vs. Seeing Divinity Everywhere  00:53:40 - Spirituality is Not an Evacuation Plan  00:57:40 - The Cosmic Perspective: Trillions of Galaxies  01:02:49 - The End of "The Search" and the Beginning of Wonder  01:04:21 - Let's Talk About Love  01:08:42 - The Prerequisite of Self-Realization for God-Realization  01:12:47 - The Problem of Spiritual Teachers "Gone Wrong"  01:17:40 - Systemic Issues Behind Guru Scandals  01:22:56 - Revelation and Scripture are Ever-Evolving  01:28:20 - The Dynamic, Expanding Nature of Brahman  01:31:42 - Is Global Disorder a Prelude to a Higher Order?  01:34:28 - The Central Role of Radha, the Divine Feminine  01:38:40 - What is Your Subjective Experience of Love?  01:43:26 - Is Ecstatic Devotion Always Genuine?  01:48:51 - Humility as a Vaccine Against Ego  01:53:50 - The Sacredness of Matter  01:58:14 - The Ecological Crisis as a Symptom of a Spiritual Problem  02:04:10 - The Lesson of the Ant: Life Beyond Our Perception  02:06:06 - Conclusion & Swami Padmanabha's Schedule

Michael Bradford has been involved in research into Kundalini and consciousness for more than 45 years. In 1977 he traveled to India where he spent six years serving as a volunteer for the Central Institute for Kundalini Research, founded and directed by the late Pandit Gopi Krishna, the noted authority on Kundalini. Michael has been a board member of the Institute for Consciousness Research (I.C.R.) since it was founded in the 1990’s, and has been Director of Publications during this time. In 2015, he also became a board member of the Emerging Sciences Foundation (E.S.F.). He was also a founding member of the Kundalini Research Network (K.R.N.) and served as joint coordinator for the organization from 1993 to 1995. In 2014, Michael retired from a career in the IT consulting field, and since then he has been working to make Gopi Krishna’s theories more widely known, and to encourage research into Kundalini and consciousness. Michael can be contacted at newparadigm246@gmail.com Books: Consciousness: The New Paradigm by Michael Bradford Gopi Krishna-A biography: Kundalini, Consciousness and Our Evolution to Enlightenment by Teri Degler Living with Kundalini - the Autobiography of Gopi Krishna by Gopi Krishna Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Interview summary and transcript Interview recorded August 16, 2025

While expanding his education and eventually working at a number or companies as an HF engineer, Dan's first love was always spiritual exploration. In 2011, after a number of years of trial and error refining the process of self inquiry into deep self investigation, there came an undeniable recognition that he was not a separate self. Simply no one at all. There was only the selfless THIS, "aware existence". This became his permanent condition. Soon after, (from a certain perspective), Dan left a successful corporate position and his old life, following an intuited impulse to be in a more free, natural and creative circumstance. He now lives with his wife Victoria in the beautiful mountains of North Carolina, loving nature, exploring various forms of artistic expression and guiding others to awakening. Website: deepselfinvestigation.com Book: Deep Self Investigation: A Modern Guide to Awakening Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded July 19, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Dan Kelso  00:02:00 - What is Deep Self Investigation (DSI)?  00:03:52 - The Scientific Approach: Direct Experience Over Intellect  00:06:20 - The Paradox of "Who" is Doing the Inquiry?  00:08:40 - Are Humans Different from Nature?  00:11:20 - The Sense of Self as a Fiction  00:15:20 - Association vs. Identification with the Body  00:17:20 - Detachment During Intense Experiences  00:19:36 - The Paradox of Being the Doer and Not the Doer  00:22:20 - The "I Got It, I Lost It" Phase  00:24:56 - The Impact of Awakening on Daily Life and Relationships  00:29:04 - Distinguishing Detachment from Psychological Dissociation  00:33:04 - Awakening's Influence on the Body-Mind  00:36:16 - Is the Sense of Self a Prerequisite for Awakening?  00:39:52 - Life Changes and the Pace of Integration  00:42:48 - Don't Dig a Bunch of Shallow Holes  00:45:24 - Q&A: Knowing Physical Pain Without Being In It  00:48:08 - Q&A: Does Formal Practice Continue After Awakening?  00:52:40 - Tapping into Other Dimensions of Existence  00:56:56 - Q&A: Handling Family Triggers and Maintaining Realization  01:00:40 - Q&A: Is the Sense of "Me" Always in the Middle?  01:03:56 - Guided Self-Inquiry with Rick  01:09:08 - Detachment vs. Inappropriate Behavior  01:12:00 - The Importance of Spiritual Integrity and Confronting Unethical Teachers  01:17:52 - The Intuitive Knowing of Right and Wrong  01:22:36 - The Degeneration of the Dao  01:23:52 - Conclusion

Savita Veera - Healing the Intimate Divide  Savita is a spiritual teacher, mentor, embodiment facilitator and healer. She experienced a profound shift in consciousness after great tragedy, followed by years of further spiritual openings, mystical experiences and her own deep healing. She meets people with generosity, humour and grounded practicality. Providing a safe space for them to open to their own divine light and inner wisdom. Website: savita.com.au Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Transcript of this interview Interview recorded July 6, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Savita Veera  00:03:09 - Awakening Through Adversity and Early Seeking  00:08:04 - Is Suffering Advantageous for Spiritual Growth?  00:11:22 - The Shock of a Mentor's Death and a Glimpse of Peace  00:13:50 - Authentic vs. Inauthentic Realization  00:17:13 - Spontaneous Right Action: Brahman is the Charioteer  00:23:38 - Shadow Work: Rejoining the Fragmented Self  00:28:23 - Healing Through Somatic Work and Embodiment  00:33:01 - The Grounding Power of Animals and Nature  00:37:34 - Finding Safety in the Infinite  00:42:31 - Grief as an Expression of Love  00:43:23 - Collective Cruelty as a Symptom of Unconsciousness  00:46:59 - Balancing Sensitivity with Strength  00:49:11 - The Nuanced Nature of Awakening  00:52:10 - Working with Benevolent Helpers  00:58:18 - Affinity with Animals as a Sign of Development  01:03:40 - The Fear Threshold and Surrender  01:08:31 - Healing the "Intimate Divide"  01:08:41 - Q&A: Can we manifest our desired reality?  01:10:46 - Q&A: How can we uplift the collective consciousness?  01:14:31 - Devotion and Simplicity  01:17:33 - The Still Mind of the Divine  01:20:00 - Mysticism and Groundedness  01:27:02 - The Divine Mother Gazing Through You  01:32:02 - Balancing the Divine Mother and Warrior Archetypes  01:35:43 - The Persecution of Mystics and Today's Renaissance  01:42:31 - The Karmic Consequences of How We Treat Animals  01:48:42 - The Ultimate Realization: "Life is Living Itself"  01:52:50 - Conclusion

Aedamar Kirrane - Mystical Awakening & Divine Love  Former barrister turned philosopher and writer, Aedamar Kirrane experienced a spontaneous mystical awakening that began in 2015 and continues to unfold. Unable to find any support or understanding within her own Christian tradition she embarked on a deep enquiry to understand the inner dynamics and telos of awakening. She came to believe in life as an original blessing rather than the doctrine of original sin that she thinks has destroyed our sense of ourselves as sacred beings. Her spiritual autobiography is Light on Fire: Waking Up to Divine Love, published 2021. Through ongoing reflection and curiosity she has developed her own threefold mystical cosmology that understands creation in the pattern of exodus and return; that recognises all of life as sacred, described through the concept of panentheism; and that the purpose of human life is deification or the return to our divine state while still in human form. All this is set within the context of the Great Awakening we are living through now, of which the human experience is a micro version. She has come to recognise that spontaneity is characteristic of the human experience of an evolutionary shift in consciousness. Aedamar's awakening is mediated through her mystical and spiritual writing and she recognises sacred writing as its own spiritual path that she calls The Via Scriptoria. Aedamar's visions are published on aedamarkirrane.com. She blogs at The New Scriptorium. Aedamar will be opening a wisdom school called "The Mystical Birth of the True Self" in September. It will be a nine month programme to support awakening to our inner divinity. If you would like to be notified when it is formally announced please visit her website to sign up for her newsletter or sign up here. Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Summary and transcript of this interview Interview recorded June 21, 2025   YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Reentering the Womb of Christ  00:03:40 - Life as a Lawyer, Wife, and Mother  00:07:00 - Motherhood, Postnatal Depression, and a Spiritual Opening  00:13:12 - A Glimpse of the Grail: The 2007 Vision  00:22:07 - Finding a Framework in Philosophy  00:28:23 - The Sacred Fire: A Spontaneous Kundalini Awakening  00:41:03 - Losing the Self, Merging with Love  00:46:44 - A Warning: The Dangers of a Reckless Teacher  00:55:52 - Navigating the Question of Sanity  01:02:30 - Humility as an Antidote to Spiritual Inflation  01:09:03 - A Message of Love from the Christ  01:14:24 - The Great Separation: A Broken World  01:25:09 - The Great Awakening: A New Era is Being Born  01:41:01 - The Return of the Feminine  01:46:41 - Advice for the Seeker: What To Do With Longing  01:53:52 - The Path to Unity Consciousness  01:56:45 - The Invitation: Become Kindling in the Fire of Love  02:00:25 - Closing Remarks