That Can't Be True with Chelsea Clinton

Meditation gets recommended for everything, from anxiety and chronic pain to insomnia and addiction. But what if it's not always the harmless cure-all it's made out to be? Chelsea talks with journalist Olga Khazan, author of The Atlantic's "The Dark Side of Mindfulness" and the book Me, But Better, about the surprising risks of meditation, including a researcher's finding that it can worsen sleep and trigger psychosis in intense retreat settings. They also dig into Olga's year-long experiment reshaping her own personality — from improv classes to saying yes to everything — plus the science behind small talk and which personality tests actually hold up.  You can follow Olga @olga_khazan on Instagram and check out her Substack at olgakhazan.substack.com.  The Clinton Foundation is a non-partisan organization that develops leaders and accelerates solutions to the world’s most pressing challenges. To learn more and be a part of the work, visit www.clintonfoundation.org. Stay up to date with Lemonada on Facebook and Instagram. For a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and every other Lemonada show, go to lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our show and get bonus content. Subscribe today at lemonadapremium.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pennsylvania's measles outbreak has claimed its fourth death — all unvaccinated — even as the CDC's public dashboard shows zero. Chelsea Clinton talks with epidemiologist Jessica Malaty Rivera about the politics behind that disconnect, including RFK Jr.'s reported push to alter the CDC's count, and how "died of" versus "died with" a disease is being twisted. They also unpack the EPA's removal of cancer risk estimates from air pollution data and newly released 9/11 air quality documents. You can follow Jessica @jessicamalatyrivera on Instagram. And check out her Substack at makingsciencemakesense.substack.com. The Clinton Foundation is a non-partisan organization that develops leaders and accelerates solutions to the world’s most pressing challenges. To learn more and be a part of the work, visit www.clintonfoundation.org. Stay up to date with Lemonada on Facebook and Instagram. For a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and every other Lemonada show, go to lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our show and get bonus content. Subscribe today at lemonadapremium.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode originally aired on October 30th, 2025. Dr. Trisha Pasricha is a neurogastroenterologist at Harvard Medical School and author of the soon-to-be published book “You’ve Been Pooping All Wrong: How to Make Your Bowel Movements a Joy.” She’s here to talk about the three risk factors driving the rise in colorectal cancer in young adults, how we can set our kids up with healthy microbiomes and misconceptions around probiotics and bloating. As the Washington Post’s ‘Ask a Doctor’ columnist, no question is too gross for Dr. Pasricha. Plus, her advice could save your life. You can follow Dr. Trisha Pasricha @trishapasrichamd on Instagram. The Clinton Foundation is a non-partisan organization that develops leaders and accelerates solutions to the world’s most pressing challenges. To learn more and be a part of the work, visit www.clintonfoundation.org. Stay up to date with Lemonada on X, Facebook, and Instagram. For a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and every other Lemonada show, go to lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our show and get bonus content. Subscribe today at lemonadapremium.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

New research from Columbia University is challenging long-held assumptions about alcohol, including what “moderate” really means and whether there’s a safe number of drinks for men and women. What does the evidence actually tell us about alcohol? Why are drinking patterns changing? And as more people reach for THC instead of alcohol, what do we know about the tradeoffs? To help us separate fact from fiction, Chelsea speaks with the study’s author, Dr. Katherine Keyes, a professor at Columbia University whose research focuses on psychiatric and substance-use epidemiology.  The Clinton Foundation is a non-partisan organization that develops leaders and accelerates solutions to the world’s most pressing challenges. To learn more and be a part of the work, visit www.clintonfoundation.org. Stay up to date with Lemonada on Facebook and Instagram. For a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and every other Lemonada show, go to lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our show and get bonus content. Subscribe today at lemonadapremium.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As kids head back to school, vaccines are top of mind for many parents and caregivers. That’s especially true as measles outbreaks continue in communities across the country and heartbreaking reports are coming out about measles-associated deaths. Chelsea speaks with infectious-disease physician, epidemiologist, and medical correspondent Dr. Céline Gounder about the changes to federal childhood-vaccine recommendations, a new Atlantic article about the family at the center of Pennsylvania’s measles controversy, and why she thinks of measles as a mini HIV. Plus, Dr. Gounder debunks the latest vaccine misinformation and offers practical advice on MMR, flu, and COVID shots. You can follow Céline Gounder @drcelinegounder on Instagram and check out her Substack here: celinegounder.com. The Clinton Foundation is a non-partisan organization that develops leaders and accelerates solutions to the world’s most pressing challenges. To learn more and be a part of the work, visit www.clintonfoundation.org. Stay up to date with Lemonada on Facebook and Instagram. For a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and every other Lemonada show, go to lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our show and get bonus content. Subscribe today at lemonadapremium.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices