The Argument

This week, Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias review “You Can See Everything,” Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim’s new film following Elizabeth Holmes as she maintains that she did nothing wrong. In this spoiler-filled episode, they get into how the Theranos fraud actually worked, why Holmes was convicted of defrauding investors but not patients, and why her refusal to admit fault makes her so hard to sympathize with. They also debate whether dramatizations like “The Dropout” and “The Social Network” are lying to audiences, if it’s ever okay to lie, and whether Nathan Fielder even qualifies as a documentarian. Plus, a Peer Review on why AI models tell left-wing voters in Japan to back the Communist Party.(0:00) Are you being real right now?(3:07) The Theranos pitch(13:47) Nathan Fielder isn’t a documentarian(15:17) Why Holmes and Sunny Balwani got different verdicts(18:07) Can Elizabeth Holmes win us over?(27:10) Amanda Seyfried and “The Dropout”(29:58) Matt still hates “The Social Network”(33:15) Is it ever OK to lie?(38:38) Can a documentary tell the truth?(45:33) The strange form of “You Can See Everything”(50:48) Peer Review: Why AI tells Japanese leftists to vote CommunistSupport the Show: Get a full transcript, show notes, and an ad-free version: TheArgumentMag.comNew episodes every Thursday — subscribe so you never miss a debate!The Argument is produced by Justin Zuckerman, fact-checked by Eli Richman, with music by Breakmaster Cylinder and art by Ben Tousley.

For this month’s book club, Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias read Hannah Arendt’s “The Human Condition,” the 1958 classic that asks what gives life meaning once automation frees us from labor. They get into why Arendt thought material abundance was a distraction from what makes us truly human, how her experience as a Jewish refugee shaped her views of public life, and whether it’s really that important to act in the public arena.(0:00) How to be human in the AI age(4:08) Work vs. labor(8:59) Arendt’s life as a stateless refugee(15:02) What is Arendt actually arguing?(18:59) Is prosperity overrated?(22:48) Why Arendt hates social science(52:14) Art is good because it’s useless(1:03:19) Are some books better than others?(1:08:15) The “to be sure” problem(1:14:23) Red State, Blue State, Rich State, Poor State(1:21:07) What to take from Arendt (and what to reject)Support the Show: Get a full transcript, show notes, and an ad-free version: TheArgumentMag.comNew episodes every Thursday — subscribe so you never miss a debate!The Argument is produced by Justin Zuckerman, fact-checked by Eli Richman, with music by Breakmaster Cylinder and art by Ben Tousley.

Why are so many environmentalists against permitting reform? Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias explain the bipartisan permitting reform bill and why many environmental groups oppose it. Known as the Bipartisan American Affordability and Jobs Act (BAAJA), the bill is seen as a potential win for the abundance movement because it speeds up permitting for energy infrastructure. But progressive critics worry it will lead to even more fossil fuel infrastructure.Plus, a peer review on why people want fewer kids and what it means for the pro-natalist movement.Our next Book Club episode will discuss Hannah Arendt's "The Human Condition," so grab a copy now if you want to read along!(0:00) Permitting reform explained: the bipartisan bill(5:29) What NEPA actually does(11:58) How NIMBYs abuse environmental protections(14:02) What Democrats don’t like about BAAJA(20:27) Why environmentalists should like this bill(31:06) Matt’s problem with green groups (34:06) Why geothermal is stuck on federal land(40:23) Is this bill good for data centers?(47:48) Mark Carney’s carbon pricing in Canada(49:00) Has the abundance movement failed?(55:03) Can permitting reform fight climate change?(1:04:55) Peer review: Everyone’s having fewer kidsSupport the Show: Get a full transcript, show notes, and an ad-free version: TheArgumentMag.comNew episodes every Thursday — subscribe so you never miss a debate!The Argument is produced by Justin Zuckerman, fact-checked by Eli Richman, with music by Breakmaster Cylinder and art by Ben Tousley.

Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias debate which historical figures deserve to be canceled and which shouldn’t have been. With the Trump administration pushing to restore statues of figures removed during the “Great Wokening,” they ask what a statue, a holiday, or a name on a school is actually for. Jerusalem lays out her test: why we honor someone and whether their cruelty is the main thing they’re remembered for. Matt argues the bigger problem is that we undercommemorate people, and that we should want more statues, not fewer.Plus, a peer review on whether machine learning can predict who will be shot, and how much power the government should have to use that data.(0:00) Who deserves to be canceled?(1:30) Why Matt wants more statues, not fewer(3:43) Jerusalem’s test for canceling a historical figure(9:04) Should we cancel Columbus Day?(11:24) The Cesar Chavez cancellation(19:46) Robert E. Lee and the myth of the Lost Cause(28:08) Cancel Paul Ehrlich of The Population Bomb(39:07) Uncanceling Flannery O’Connor(48:35) Uncanceling Thomas Jefferson(59:27) Peer Review: Can AI predict who will be shot?Support the Show: Get a full transcript, show notes, and an ad-free version: TheArgumentMag.comNew episodes every Thursday — subscribe so you never miss a debate!The Argument is produced by Justin Zuckerman, fact-checked by Eli Richman, with music by Breakmaster Cylinder and art by Ben Tousley.

ChinaTalk's Jordan Schneider joins Jerusalem Demsas and Matt Yglesias to compare how the U.S. and China are approaching artificial intelligence. They dive into the Trump-Xi summit, whether AI will change how politicians govern, and the limits of what Chinese AI models are allowed to say. They also discuss the gap in public opinion: why do so many people in China have positive expectations for AI while Americans are dooming?Plus, a peer review on how childhood neighbors shape the careers we choose.(0:00) AI, China, and the Trump-Xi summit(3:50) Will AI replace politicians?(8:26) Grok, DeepSeek, and who controls AI(12:09) Can AI save Congress?(22:25) Asking DeepSeek about Chinese Democracy(26:45) Does AI break the development ladder?(31:13) Why China is more optimistic about AI than America(54:37) Corruption in China vs. the U.S.(1:06:17) Why the White House wants to rebrand AI as "superintelligence"(1:10:50) Peer Review: Do childhood neighbors shape your career?Support the Show: Get a full transcript, show notes, and an ad-free version: TheArgumentMag.comNew episodes every Thursday — subscribe so you never miss a debate!The Argument is produced by Justin Zuckerman, fact-checked by Eli Richman, with music by Breakmaster Cylinder and art by Ben Tousley.