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New episode every Wednesday! Join the Barbell Shrugged crew in conversations about fitness, training, and frequent interviews w/ CrossFit Games athletes!
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In this episode, Dr. Tommy Wood returns to Barbell Shrugged for part two of a deep conversation on brain health, cognitive decline, and the daily habits that shape long-term mental performance. Joined by Doug Larson, Travis Mash, and Dr. Mike Lane, Tommy unpacks why oral health matters far more than most people realize, explaining how gum disease, oral bacteria, and chronic inflammation may contribute not only to cardiovascular disease but also to dementia risk. The crew also digs into the importance of sensory input, from hearing and vision to social interaction, and how losing those inputs over time can quietly accelerate cognitive decline. The conversation then shifts into sleep, where Tommy breaks down what actually matters most for protecting the brain. Rather than obsessing over perfect sleep scores or chasing an arbitrary eight-hour target, he argues that the biggest levers are sleep opportunity, regularity, and avoiding behaviors that wreck sleep architecture. The group explores the different roles of REM and deep sleep, how sleep supports emotional processing, learning, and metabolic cleanup in the brain, and why wearables can be useful for trends without being trusted too literally. They also cover naps, alcohol, caffeine, common sleep aids, magnesium, chamomile, and why worrying too much about sleep can itself become part of the problem. Finally, the episode broadens into brain risk and brain resilience in the modern world. Tommy highlights major risk factors for cognitive decline including hearing loss, high blood pressure, diabetes, smoking, obesity, alcohol, air pollution, and toxic exposures like lead and other environmental contaminants. He also gives a nuanced take on technology, arguing that video games, digital tools, and even AI can be either brain-supportive or brain-eroding depending on how they are used. When technology expands your capabilities, it can sharpen cognition. When it replaces thinking entirely, it can weaken the very skills you are trying to preserve. This episode is a practical roadmap for anyone who wants to think more clearly, age better, and protect their brain with smarter everyday decisions. Links: Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Doug Larson sits down with Coach Travis Mash and Dr. Mike Lane to challenge the "one-size-fits-all" approach to supplement dosing. They break down why most labels are effectively written for an average-sized person, and why that matters when you're 100 pounds soaking wet, or a 300-pound lineman. Using real stories (like a 450 mg caffeine pre-workout for a small athlete and the classic "I couldn't sleep" aftermath), the crew lays out a simple north star: doses should  scale with body weight, and you should take an amount specific to your body size. From there, they get practical on what works, what's overhyped, and how to time things. Dr. Lane explains beta-alanine as an intramuscular buffer (via carnosine) that helps athletes push harder in the anaerobic "pain cave," but only if it's taken consistently for weeks, not as a one-off. They compare that to sodium bicarbonate as a more acute strategy that can help performance but comes with GI risk if you don't practice it ahead of time. Along the way, they call out a common industry trap: under-dosed formulas, proprietary blends, and products that sound impressive but contain amounts too small to matter. They wrap by narrowing down the essentials: creatine as a daily staple for most people (and potentially higher doses for cognitive benefits, especially under sleep deprivation), plus basics like protein and targeted use of supplements based on training demands. The conversation also goes deep on magnesium, why many people are likely low, how it supports relaxation and recovery, and why the form matters (bisglycinate/threonate etc). The big takeaway: match the supplement to the goal, match the dose to the body, and build your plan on quality ingredients, effective amounts and repeatable habits. Links: Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Doug Larson, Dr. Mike Lane, and Coach Travis Mash sit down with Dr. Andrew Jagim, Director of Sports Medicine Research for the Mayo Clinic Health System, to talk about what actually works for building stronger, more resilient young athletes. Andrew shares how his applied research feeds directly back into real-world coaching, especially for under-resourced D3 athletes, and why the best youth training is simple, fast, and consistent. The group also trades notes on training their own kids: short sessions, minimal setup, and keeping things engaging so the habit sticks for life. They break down practical youth strength programming: unilateral work for stability (step-ups, lunges), basic patterns (kettlebell deadlifts, goblet squats, push-ups), and building hips/glutes to protect knees, especially for tall, fast-growing athletes where coordination and lever changes force constant "auto-regulation." A major theme is injury prevention without turning training into a grind: 15–25 minute workouts, circuits/supersets, park workouts with med balls and kettlebells, and even sneaky "commercial break" core work to keep kids moving while still letting them be kids. The conversation shifts into sports nutrition, body composition, and a more athlete-friendly way to talk about physique, Fat-Free Mass Index (FFMI). Andrew explains how FFMI is calculated, what typical ranges look like for male and female athletes, and why it can be a more positive metric than body fat percentage, especially for female athletes where messaging can backfire. They close with a nuanced look at weight cutting in wrestling and combat sports: why massive cuts are physiologically brutal, how rules differ inside vs. outside the U.S., and why frequent dehydration (like in-season scholastic wrestling) is a completely different risk profile than occasional cuts with longer recovery windows. Links: Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Doug Larson sits down with Dr. Mike Lane and Coach Travis Mash to break down one of the most effective tools in strength and conditioning: heavy carries. From farmer's walks and yoke carries to unilateral overhead and bottoms-up kettlebell variations, they explore why these simple movements deliver massive returns. The group discusses programming strategies, including time and load progressions, limiting overhead carries for sport specificity, and using tools like the trap bar for heavy work. They also explain how carries are self-instructive for bracing, build spinal and scapular stability, and develop grip strength that transfers directly to sport and daily life. The conversation expands into conditioning, youth training, and coaching philosophy. They unpack rucking versus running for sustainable cardio, strongman medleys for high-intensity conditioning, and how suitcase carries target often-neglected stabilizers like the quadratus lumborum and glute medius. The episode also tackles the controversial topic of thoracic flexion under load and the broader risk-versus-reward discussion in high-performance training. Ultimately, the message is clear: heavy carries are simple, scalable, and effective. Links: Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Dr. Stephen Cabral joins Doug Larson and Dr. Mike Lane to break down how he went from a decade-long "idiopathic illness" in his teens to building one of the biggest health education platforms in the space, including more than 3,600 daily podcast episodes. Cabral shares the turning points in his own recovery: years of heavy antibiotic exposure, chronic stress, gut dysbiosis (candida, H. pylori, SIBO), and even mercury accumulation from frequent tuna intake. That personal case study becomes the foundation for how he now thinks about root-cause medicine versus symptom suppression, and why conventional care often waits until labs fall out of range before acting. The conversation dives into Cabral's framework for how chronic issues typically develop: nervous system stress leads to endocrine disruption, which then cascades into immune dysfunction, often amplified by gut-driven inflammation. He explains a clear process-of-elimination approach to gut health, why bile flow and motility have become increasingly important as the science has evolved, and how stress management is often the missing link. Cabral also breaks down why resonance breathing can be one of the fastest ways to shift physiology, how he uses wearables like Oura and HRV tools without overwhelming clients, and why the best plan is always the one someone will actually follow. Finally, the group zooms out to the future of health and longevity. They discuss biological age testing, emerging longevity research, and the realities of training and recovery as you get older. Cabral shares how his practice balances structured lab testing, repeatable protocols, and ongoing accountability so clients don't just get a plan, but learn how to sustain results long term. Links: Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode of Barbell Shrugged, Doug Larson, Travis Mash (powerlifting world champion), and Dr. Michael Lane break down how to deadlift across the entire lifespan, from kids learning to hinge to lifters in their 40s, 50s, and beyond chasing strength without paying for it later. They start with youth training principles that actually work: keep it simple, keep it safe, and keep it fun. Kettlebell deadlifts and goblet squats win early because they naturally put kids in solid positions with minimal coaching, while the real focus is learning a neutral spine, good mechanics, and building a positive relationship with training. Next, the conversation moves into the teen and peak-performance years, when athletes can build serious capacity and eventually push heavier weights. The guys lay out practical programming that prioritizes technique and volume tolerance over ego lifting, including linear periodization, conservative maxing through heavy triples, and velocity-based thresholds to keep athletes away from breakdown reps. They also dig into why deadlifting is not one-size-fits-all. Anthropometrics drive stance choices and sticking points, and the best assistance work depends on what is actually limiting you, whether that is front squats for getting the bar moving, RDL variations and bands for lockout strength, or staples like glute-ham raises and reverse hypers for posterior chain durability. Finally, they tackle the strength versus functional training debate and bring it back to real-world outcomes. Strength training builds the engine, sport practice is the most functional skill work, and instability training has a place but is not where max force gets built. From there, they map out how deadlifting evolves with age: more attention to stimulus-to-fatigue ratio, smarter variations like blocks, deficits, and trap bars with high handles, more respect for recovery, and more intentional periodization. The throughline is simple. Deadlifting can stay in your life forever, but the version of deadlifting you choose should match your body, goals, and season, not your pride. Links: Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon returns to Barbell Shrugged with Doug Larson, Travis Mash, and Dr. Mike Lane to lay out a simple case: muscle is the missing centerpiece of modern health care. Our culture's weight loss obsession has distracted us from the bigger problem, under-muscled, metabolically unhealthy people aging into frailty. Drawing from her training in nutritional sciences and geriatrics, Gabrielle explains why obesity is often a symptom of poor skeletal muscle health, and why longevity depends on preserving strength, power, and mobility, not just shrinking the scale. They break down "muscle quality," including fat infiltration into muscle (IMAT), and why muscle should look more like a clean "filet" than a marbled "wagyu." Doug shares how advanced imaging can reveal hidden issues, including how an old hip injury showed major asymmetry and elevated fat infiltration in a specific muscle he never would have identified otherwise. The point is clear: it's not only about having more muscle, it's about building trained, functional muscle that improves metabolic health and supports the brain and cardiovascular system. From there, the conversation hits GLP-1s and hormone therapy. Gabrielle calls GLP-1s a powerful tool, but warns we risk trading the obesity epidemic for a sarcopenia epidemic if weight loss isn't paired with resistance training and adequate protein. She argues dosing and personalization matter, and muscle-building interventions deserve the same seriousness as fat-loss prescriptions. They close with protein strategy, why the RDA is a minimum, why higher intakes tend to perform better, and why anyone over 35 or dieting should prioritize at least one higher-protein meal, often around 50 grams. Gabrielle wraps with her upcoming release, Forever Strong: The Playbook, a tactical field guide with evidence-based protocols for training, recovery, and durable health. Links: https://drgabriellelyon.com/ https://www.instagram.com/drgabriellelyon/ https://www.youtube.com/@DrGabrielleLyon Order FOREVER STRONG: https://drgabriellelyon.com/forever-strong/ Order THE FOREVER STRONG PLAYBOOK: https://drgabriellelyon.com/playbook/ Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode of Barbell Shrugged, Doug Larson is joined by longtime co-host Travis Mash and new co-host Dr. Mike Lane for a return visit from one of the show's most popular guests, Dr. Tommy Wood. Tommy breaks down the core thesis of his new book, The Stimulated Mind (releasing March 24), which uses dementia prevention as the headline but is really about boosting cognition at every stage of life. The crew sets the tone early: brain health is not "old people stuff," it's performance, learning, and resilience, built daily through how you live and how you train. Tommy makes the case that "optimization" only works when it fits real life, and that the brain adapts like the body: sleep, nutrition, and exercise support it, but you still have to "train the brain" with demanding learning and skills. He outlines a practical learning dose-response, roughly 30–90 minutes of deep challenge per session, 2–3 times per week as a sweet spot for consolidation, while acknowledging the power of daily touchpoints for habit formation (Doug's Duolingo streak and the "don't break the chain" approach). From there, they go deep on exercise modalities and cognition: aerobic work and interval training improving hippocampal function (memory), high-intensity work potentially driving brain benefits through lactate → local BDNF, and coordinative/open-skill sports (racket sports, dancing, martial arts) producing outsized brain returns for the same physical strain. The conversation closes with a fast but important run through risk, genetics, and lifestyle: Tommy explains ApoE4 as a risk multiplier that's highly environment-dependent, amplifying bad inputs (inflammation, poor metabolic health) but also amplifying the benefits of doing the basics well. They hit the big nutrition levers for cognition; omega-3s, key B vitamins (methylation), vitamin D, iron, plus polyphenol-rich foods (berries, cocoa, coffee/tea), and squash the common "red wine" rationalization by emphasizing net outcomes (sleep and brain volume matter). Finally, Tommy emphasizes the under-rated keystone: social connection and pro-social behavior, arguing that the Mediterranean "diet" is really a Mediterranean lifestyle, and that isolation can erase many of the benefits of even a perfect nutrition plan. Links: Doug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram  
In this episode of Barbell Shrugged, Doug Larson is joined by longtime co-host Travis Mash and new co-host Michael Lane as they welcome back John Rusin for his first appearance on the show in five years. The conversation opens with a candid transition moment for the podcast, acknowledging Anders Varner's departure and setting the stage for a new chapter of Barbell Shrugged. From there, the crew dives straight into Rusin's background in sports performance, physical therapy, and global coaching, including his work with elite athletes, Olympic committees, and thousands of coaches through his Pain-Free Performance system. The heart of the episode centers on biomechanics, individual anatomy, and why "one-size-fits-all" coaching models fail athletes over the long term. Rusin breaks down how differences in femur length, hip structure, and torso proportions radically change how people should squat, hinge, and load movements. The group explores why goblet squats are one of the most universally joint-friendly tools, how assessment should guide exercise selection, and why chasing perfect technique without context often leads to chronic pain. The discussion also highlights the importance of strategic variability, offseason training, and removing aggravating patterns rather than blindly pushing through discomfort. The episode closes with a deep look at Rusin's new book Pain-Free Performance, a multi-year project born out of burnout, injury, and a desire to preserve his system in a lasting format. Rusin explains who the book is for, coaches, athletes, and everyday people alike, and why long-term health, movement quality, and consistency ultimately drive performance and longevity. From youth sports specialization to elite training volume and survivorship bias, this episode delivers a grounded, experience-driven perspective on how to train hard, stay healthy, and perform at a high level for decades, not just a season. Links: Pain-Free Performance: Move Better, Train Smarter, and Build an Unbreakable Body Dr. John Rusin WebsiteDr. John Rusin on InstagramDoug Larson on InstagramCoach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode of Barbell Shrugged, Doug Larson and Travis Mash officially welcome Dr. Mike Lane as the show's new co-host. Mike shares his full origin story, from growing up a sports-loving kid in St. Louis, to discovering strength and conditioning in college, to earning his PhD and becoming a professor of exercise physiology. Along the way, he reflects on the mentors who shaped his thinking, including time spent around Westside Barbell, Olympic lifting culture, and elite academic labs that blended hard training with hard science. The conversation dives deep into the intersection of real-world performance and research. Mike breaks down his work with tactical populations like firefighters and law enforcement, explaining why traditional fitness tests often fail to reflect the actual demands of the job. They explore load carriage, heat stress, aerobic capacity, and why durability, not just raw fitness, determines success in high-stakes environments. Finally, Mike opens up about his own competitive journey across powerlifting, strongman, Olympic lifting, and Highland Games. From pulling 750+ pounds in competition to learning hard lessons about longevity, ego, and smart training, this episode captures what it looks like to stay strong, curious, and competitive into your 40s. With Mike Lane stepping into the co-host role, Barbell Shrugged enters a new chapter, one grounded in experience, science, and a deep respect for the iron game. Links: Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Dr. Karen Esser Professor and Chair of the Department of Physiology and Aging at the University of Florida joins the crew to break down one of the most overlooked performance variables in human physiology: circadian timing. After a career spent studying muscle adaptation, Dr. Esser shifted her research toward the molecular clocks inside our tissues, uncovering how every cell in the body keeps its own time. She explains how these clocks govern fuel storage, protein repair, metabolic readiness, and ultimately the way muscle responds to training. The team digs into what these clocks do, how they synchronize, and why misalignment affects everything from daily performance to long-term health. The conversation dives deep into time-of-day effects on strength, endurance, and adaptation. Dr. Esser highlights that humans are consistently stronger and more explosive in the afternoon, a pattern reflected in Olympic records and decades of performance data. But her lab's animal research reveals something game changing: consistent morning training can shift the internal clock system, allowing morning athletes to achieve equal or even better adaptations after several weeks, despite using lower absolute training loads. She also explains how travel, jet lag, and mistimed eating disrupt organ specific clocks, reducing performance and creating metabolic consequences similar to pre-diabetes. The crew tests these ideas against real world training habits, coaching experience, and what happens when athletes switch from evening to early morning training. Finally, Dr. Esser unpacks the broader health implications of circadian disruption from increased risk of metabolic disease and cardiovascular dysfunction to higher rates of depression and cancer in chronically misaligned shift workers. She outlines simple, actionable strategies: anchor your sleep and training times, keep eating within a roughly 10 hour window, avoid late night calories, and arrive early when competing across time zones. The conversation closes with practical takeaways for athletes, coaches, and everyday lifters who want to maximize adaptation, improve metabolic health, and align their biology with the rhythms built into every cell. Links: Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Dr. Bill Campbell returns to the show to discuss a major pivot in his research from building muscle and optimizing fat loss to understanding menopause and its effects on women's body composition. After watching his wife struggle through a severe perimenopause transition that resisted every traditional fat loss strategy, Campbell uncovered a massive blind spot in the scientific literature: almost no research exists on fit, resistance trained women going through menopause. His public comments sparked hundreds of messages from women describing the same struggles including unexplained weight gain, muscle loss, energy crashes, and sleep disruption highlighting how poorly understood this phase of life truly is. Dr. Campbell breaks down what the best research does show. Menopause accelerates fat gain, shifts fat distribution toward the midsection, and produces measurable declines in muscle and bone mineral density. Many women experience weight loss resistance where standard diet and training approaches no longer produce results. He also digs into the nuance of hormone replacement therapy how progesterone and estrogen can dramatically improve sleep, anxiety, and energy, why estrogen appears anabolic for middle aged women, and why HRT's effect on body fat varies widely. Campbell clarifies the long standing confusion created by the 2002 Women's Health Initiative study, how its flawed interpretation suppressed HRT use for two decades, and why today's evidence supports earlier intervention under an evidence based physician. The conversation closes with clear, practical guidance for women entering perimenopause. Maintain a consistent fitness lifestyle, lift weights to protect muscle and bone, prioritize sleep, get annual bloodwork and DEXA scans, and consider HRT early if medically appropriate. Campbell emphasizes that lifestyle habits do not replace hormone therapy and hormone therapy does not replace lifestyle. Together they help women navigate the most dramatic physiological transition since puberty. Whether you're a coach, practitioner, or someone approaching this stage of life, this episode provides a much needed framework for understanding, preparing for, and managing menopause with strength and agency. Links: Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
Former Marine and general contractor Andrew Kavanaugh joins the crew to share the origin story of Black Root Recovery, a company he founded after watching too many of his fellow Marines struggle physically, mentally, and emotionally after returning home. What started as a personal quest to rebuild his health led to a 90-pound weight loss, the elimination of sleep apnea and nightmares, and a profound shift in cognitive clarity and emotional resilience. Andrew combined the modalities that changed his own life (grounding, infrared therapy, red-light therapy, and traditional sauna heat) into a single premium, custom-built recovery system designed to reduce inflammation, support brain health, and help veterans and high performers reclaim their capability. Andrew breaks down the science and practical application behind each component of the system, including his patented grounding design that connects the user directly to an eight-foot copper ground rod to immediately reduce blood viscosity and "electrical noise" in the body. Paired with deep-penetrating red light panels, infrared heat, and a high-output traditional sauna, his units create a stacked recovery environment that improves circulation, reduces inflammation, accelerates healing, and enhances cognitive performance. Andrew shares how, after three months of daily use, he saw his social anxiety disappear, his brain function sharpen, and his jiu-jitsu endurance skyrocket. The conversation expands into the broader mission: supporting veterans, giving athletes a competitive performance advantage, and scaling access to recovery tools that have historically been too expensive or too fragmented to deliver real transformation. Andrew discusses future plans to build custom installations for gyms and sports teams, and continue refining the multimodal system. Whether the goal is longevity, recovery, or helping those who have served, this episode reveals why integrated recovery environments may become the next frontier in reducing inflammation, healing trauma, and elevating human potential. Links: Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram  
In this episode, the world's #1 pickleball player, Ben Johns, joins Anders Varner, Doug Larson, Travis Mash, and Dr. Mike Lane to unpack what it really takes to stay at the top of one of the fastest-growing sports on the planet. Ben walks through the insane travel schedule, the perpetual in-season demands, and the growing physical toll of a sport played in deep athletic stances, high-velocity lateral movements, and multi-hour tournament days. For the past year, Ben has partnered with RAPID Health Optimization to build a data-driven system around sleep, recovery, hydration, nutrition, and personalized strength and conditioning giving him a competitive edge in a sport where consistency and longevity are becoming just as important as pure skill. The team breaks down how RAPID reverse-engineered the physiology of pickleball by analyzing metabolic demands, movement patterns, travel stress, and tournament structure. Ben shares what has changed the most: HRV-driven sleep routines, hydration and electrolyte protocols, rapid-turnaround nutrition systems during six-day competition blocks, and gym programming that prioritizes leg strength, acceleration, deceleration, rotational power, and the ability to repeatedly produce peak output with minimal fatigue. With only an eight-week "off-season" each year, Ben's entire training plan now revolves around precision dosing of fatigue, auto-regulation, and strategic recovery backed by data from Oura, lab analysis (blood, stool, saliva, urine) and the RAPID coaching team. Finally, the conversation moves into the strategic side of dominance: pattern recognition, the metagame of adjustments, and the ability to keep learning in a young sport where the rules of mastery are still being written. Ben explains how having a full-stack performance team allows him to focus on playing, developing new skills, and outlasting opponents who aren't managing sleep, travel, workload, or recovery with the same level of precision. If you want an inside look at how the best player in the world trains, prepares, and stays healthy and how RAPID Health Optimization builds elite longevity systems for professional athletes this episode is a must-listen. Links: Ben Johns on Instagram Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, the Barbell Shrugged crew explores how next-generation MRI muscle analysis is transforming the way high-performing athletes train, recover, and prevent injury. Dr. Doug Goldstein walks Anders Varner, Doug Larson, and Travis Mash through Doug Larson's full Springbok Analytics scan a 3D "digital twin" of his musculoskeletal system that reveals muscle volume, asymmetries, and tissue quality with a level of precision traditional assessments can't match. The team breaks down how this data gives coaches a clearer understanding of the body's true strengths, weak links, and compensation patterns the foundational context needed to prescribe smarter, more targeted programming. Using Doug's real data as the case study, the group highlights how seemingly isolated issues like a long-healed posterior hip dislocation can create downstream patterns that affect performance years later. The scan reveals major asymmetries in deep hip stabilizers, psoas imbalances, and elevated intramuscular fat in specific muscles, all of which influence how force is produced and absorbed under load. The conversation emphasizes that measuring muscle quality and not just quantity is essential for identifying tissues that underperform despite looking normal from the outside. They also break down the different types of fat Springbok identifies (visceral, subcutaneous, intermuscular, intramuscular) and why certain compartments are more predictive of movement limitations, metabolic dysfunction, or elevated injury risk. The episode closes with a look at how this new level of precision plugs into a fully integrated high-performance system. Through Optima Muscle, athletes combine Springbok MRI data with movement evaluations, strength testing, and force analysis to build individualized protocols that increase strength, improve resilience, and significantly reduce the risk of non-contact injuries. The team explains why pro athletes are beginning to adopt multi-scan protocols across a season, and how this data-driven approach allows coaches to design programming that targets exactly the right tissues, at exactly the right time. For anyone serious about longevity in training, staying explosive, or eliminating preventable injuries, this episode offers a glimpse into the future of performance diagnostics and precision training. Go to OptimaMuscle.com to learn more!  Links: Doug Goldstein on Instagram Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Anders Varner, Doug Larson, and Travis Mash sit down with Matt Brown, Director of Business Development at Springbok Analytics, to explore the cutting edge world of MRI based muscle analysis. Matt breaks down the origins of Springbok, how the company grew from a university research lab solving cerebral palsy surgical problems into one of the most advanced muscle segmentation platforms on the planet, and why professional sports teams, medical researchers, and longevity practitioners are all adopting this technology. From 15 minute full body protocols to AI driven segmentation of 144 muscles, Springbok is redefining what is possible in muscle profiling and objective performance measurement. The conversation dives into real world application, how Springbok helps pro athletes understand tissue quality, fat infiltration, tendon health, asymmetries, compensations, and injury risk with unprecedented precision. Matt shares examples across the NBA, NFL, soccer, and clinical research showing how MRI data is being used to shorten rehab timelines, guide targeted strength work, map scar tissue, and track atrophy after major injuries like ACL tears. The group contrasts traditional tools like DEXA with what is now possible using MRI, individualized baselines, normative values by sport and position, and 3D interactive models that reveal exactly where muscle is strong, weak, or compromised. Finally, the team covers the massive opportunity in longevity and consumer health. They discuss how muscle quality predicts aging trajectories, why fat infiltration accelerates decline, and how Springbok's new FDA cleared body composition capabilities unlock deeper insights into visceral fat, liver fat, bone density, and long term risk. Doug outlines how Rapid Health Optimization is partnering with Springbok through Optima Muscle to bring these pro level analytics to everyday people, combining MRI data with elite coaching, physical therapy, and strength programming to create personalized, actionable plans that maximize performance and minimize injury. This episode is a powerful preview of where the future of muscle health, performance diagnostics, and longevity is headed. Learn more at: OptimaMuscle.com Links: Barbell Shrugged on Instagram Springbok Analytics on Instagram Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this week's episode of Barbell Shrugged, Anders Varner, Doug Larson, Coach Travis Mash, and Dr. Chris Perry dive deep into the real science of muscle mass, why it's the single most important tissue in the human body and what happens when you don't have enough of it. They cover everything from how muscle mass impacts disease risk, hormone balance, metabolism, and injury prevention to why being "under-muscled" may be just as dangerous as being overweight. Dr. Perry explains how strength training and nutrition can reverse age-related muscle loss and why the decade between your mid-30s and mid-40s is the most critical window for building a foundation of health and longevity. The crew breaks down what healthy muscle mass standards actually look like for men and women across different age groups and introduces a new way to measure it. RAPID Health's new partnership with Springbok Analytics uses MRI imaging to directly quantify muscle tissue, pinpoint asymmetries, and reveal where strength or mobility imbalances may be putting you at risk. For the first time, anyone, not just pro athletes or research labs, can see their true muscle mass percentage and track real progress over time. The conversation wraps with practical takeaways for training and nutrition: how often to lift, how hard to push, and how much protein you need per meal as you age. They explain why cardio and resistance training both matter, how to optimize your muscle-to-fat ratio, and why "getting jacked" is one of the best health investments you can make. Learn more about RAPID's new MRI-driven Muscle Health and Performance program launching this week in Austin, TX go to OptimaMuscle.com beginning on Monday Nov 17th to learn more and get started. Work With Us: Arétē by RAPID Health Optimization Links: Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, Anders Varner, Doug Larson, and Travis Mash sit down for a story that is equal parts comeback and evolution. After a hip replacement and years away from competition, Mash, now over 50 years old, stepped back onto the powerlifting platform to go nine for nine and set new age group world records. He breaks down how he rebuilt his body, balanced strength with health, and used velocity-based training to stay powerful without breaking down. The crew digs into how technology, recovery, and smarter training allow veteran lifters to keep progressing long after their prime years, and why Mash believes everyone over 50 should use bar speed tracking to train safely and effectively. Travis opens up about his modern approach, tracking VO₂ max, focusing on sleep quality, and embracing conditioning as a secret weapon most powerlifters ignore. He explains why he is competing just twice a year from now on, the methods that rebuilt his deadlift after chronic back pain, and how discipline has replaced the reckless intensity of his younger days. His goal is not just to lift big again, but to model longevity, work ethic, and integrity for his kids. The conversation turns deeply personal when Mash shares how his son's recent basketball tryout failure became a father-son lesson in resilience. From youth sports to elite competition, the group reflects on how loss, hard work, and long-term consistency shape champions. They also swap stories of athletic breakthroughs, from Doug's failed baseball tryout that launched his strength career to Anders' early lifting days and the raw power of athletes like Ed Coan and Ryan Fischer. This episode is a look at what it means to age as an athlete, how to stay in the game, keep the fire alive, and prove that strength and purpose do not fade with time. Work With Us: Arétē by RAPID Health Optimization   Links: Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
In this episode, neuroscientist and U.S. Army sleep expert Dr. Allison Brager joins Anders Varner, Doug Larson, and Travis Mash to explore the real science behind sleep, recovery, and wearable technology. They discuss which devices actually deliver useful data, such as the Oura Ring for sleep tracking and Garmin for cardiovascular measurements, and why being consistent with one tool is more important than chasing perfect accuracy. Dr. Brager explains how wearables are now being used in place of sleep labs in both clinical and military settings to help athletes and operators make better recovery decisions. The conversation dives into practical ways to improve sleep and recovery for anyone pushing performance limits. Dr. Brager describes how sleep apnea can affect even lean, muscular athletes, with studies showing that more than half of Division I football players meet criteria for sleep apnea or insomnia. Just three nights of only five hours of sleep can cut testosterone levels in half. The group also discusses how vagus nerve stimulation, infrared light therapy, and temperature-controlled mattresses such as Eight Sleep can help the body relax, lower stress, and improve sleep quality, especially when used before bed or after long travel. They close by breaking down real-world strategies for recovery and training. Short 20- to 30-minute naps during the afternoon improve alertness, and caffeine can be used strategically during travel to reduce fatigue. Training is most effective when aligned with the body's circadian rhythm, with evening workouts often producing better strength results, while morning training can work after a few months of adjustment. Whether you are a soldier, athlete, or business leader, this episode is about using data, structure, and recovery habits to perform better and stay healthy over the long term. Outside of the laboratory, Allison was a two-time CrossFit Games (team) athlete, a two-time CrossFit Regionals (individual) athlete, and a four-year varsity NCAA Division I athlete in track and field. Dr. Brager has an Sc.B. in Psychology from Brown University and a Ph.D. in Physiology from Kent State University Work With Us: Arétē by RAPID Health Optimization Links: Dr. Allison Brager on Instagram Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
With over a decade of experience, Kenny Santucci has made himself a known as one of New York City's top trainers and a thought leader in the health and wellness industry. Brand ambassador for Michelob Ultra and Fitaid, Technogym Master Trainer, host of the Fitaid Morning Show, Michelob Ultra MOVEMENT Fitness Festival, Model Beach Volleyball, and more, Santucci has established himself as a force within the fitness space. He has collaborated with industry titans across the health, wellness, and lifestyle space such as Reebok, Under Armour, Adidas, ASICS, Rhone, Melin, Cellucor, Bodybulding.com, CrossFit, the National Academy of Sports Medicine, Precision Nutrition, Nautica, TimeOut, Gregory's Coffee, and more. Kenny has also shared his training approach and wellness philosophy with features in top health and wellness publications such as Shape Magazine, Men's Health Magazine, Men's Journal, Well+Good, Askmen.com, Reebok.com, and Women's Health Magazine to name a few. Kenny lives his mantra of helping others well beyond the walls of the gym. As the creator of the STRONG New York health and wellness series, he is the heart and leader behind these events that have already raised thousands of dollars and brought awareness to the community around men's and women's health issues, with a portion of the proceeds going to different health-focused organizations such as the Alzheimer's Awareness Foundation, Movember Foundation and Breast Cancer Research Foundation. Work With Us: Arétē by RAPID Health Optimization Links: Kenny Santucci on Instagram Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram
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Emilia Gray

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Nov 8th
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Reann Shaw

GSP was scared every time he walked out because he was smart, and because he CARED about the outcome. I always tell people that nerves/anxiety (within normal limits) and fear are perfectly normal and reasonable responses, and if harnessed can help you respond quickly and well to situations. Still going out and getting the job done is possible, and even ideal, providing YOU control the dialogue. (by being prepared and building confidence etc). Loved this chat!

Sep 28th
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Rem Motorol

I began my fitness journey with the immune system and eliminating the prescription train. Once we tune with our own bodies we get open to a massive data source, not everyone wants to do the work.

Mar 31st
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Rem Motorol

Truly thank you!!

Mar 31st
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Rem Motorol

THIS SAVES US!! THANKS GUYS!

Mar 31st
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Gian Meets Gaia

I really love your podcast! ... I really like I have a word for what I do now too, "functional bodybuilding."

May 9th
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Kirk Fontaine

great show good to hear from the speaker I am a 57 gay male bodybuilder in Cleveland Ohio and started in traditional gyms if I had known there was this for the LGBT community CrossFit may have been my choice just for sense of community thanks for the work that you do and I will follow u going forward

Mar 8th
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Kirk Fontaine

love the show I am sure that Ryan Fischer is good at what he does but he is cocky as he mentioned maybe hubris and ur Instagram u should be a FBI agent

Feb 19th
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Ken Hub

great information but what an arrogant douche. anyone who doesn't know what he knows is stupid? He needs a lesson in social skills!

Feb 15th
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Jared Topilko

I can draw a lot of parallels mentally with Devon. Thanks for the podcast!

Feb 9th
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Jared Topilko

The first episode I liked and resonated with.

Jan 27th
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Kirk Fontaine

great story and journey good luck on the rest of that path

Jan 19th
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Kirk Fontaine

great podcast Jess and Mike bledsoe o am going through a grief process from the death off my partner single and alone with my emotional rollercoaster it is inspiring to hear your account on how to deal with grief and dealing with this on a daily basis

Jan 1st
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Devin Vernick

fantastic episode. thank you for sharing your knowledge

Nov 17th
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Kirk Fontaine

great show keep up the good work

Nov 14th
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Kirk Fontaine

Anders I am having problems with consistency as u stated I am a 57 former competitive body builder and personal trainer I am ectomorphic body type now I want to gain weight 145 to 155 -160 how would I gain weight without the consistency unlike ur co host Doug congratulations Doug and Anders for a great series

Nov 11th
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Kirk Fontaine

i agree with the j host that being emotional is neither masculine or feminine but it is the human condition and how we respond to it

Oct 11th
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Kirk Fontaine

CrossFit is gained a lot of ground in the fitness industry

Sep 17th
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Kirk Fontaine

saw the video now listening to the podcast for refreshing

Sep 1st
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Kirk Fontaine

semper Fi Mike and Mike great podcast

Aug 18th
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