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This week Nick talks to Oktay Kavrak.Oktay Kavrak is Head of Communications and Strategy at Leverage Shares, a European leader in exchange-traded products (ETPs). Oktay discusses the company’s mission to democratize access to investing, with over $1.5 billion in assets under management as of July 2024. He shares his professional journey from IBM and DeGiro to joining Leverage Shares in its early stages, helping pioneer leveraged ETFs across Europe.Oktay explains how Leverage Shares introduced the first leveraged single-stock ETFs - products that offer amplified exposure to major names like Tesla, Nvidia, and Coinbase. Designed for short-term, tactical trading, these products allow investors to multiply daily movements of popular stocks while maintaining transparency and regulated exchange access. The discussion also highlights the rise of Income Shares, which generate monthly cash flow through covered call and cash-secured put strategies, offering investors both growth and yield opportunities. Notably, Leverage Shares’ 3x Tesla ETF has been the most traded ETF on the London Stock Exchange for three consecutive years, reflecting the strong retail demand for active, accessible trading tools.Nick and Oktay look ahead, as OKtay predicts that the ETF industry will continue expanding, driven by retail participation, product innovation, and greater demand for diversified and income-generating strategies. As the market evolves, firms like Leverage Shares are bridging the gap between complex institutional strategies and retail accessibility—bringing structured, transparent products to investors worldwide. Oktay's Book Choices where:Outliers by Malcolm GladwellRebel Ideas by Matthew SyedOktay's Music Choice was:ColdplayThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

In this episode Nick talks to David Keene MBEDavid Keene MBE, Founder & CEO of Aurrigo, is a leading figure in the automotive and autonomous vehicle industries. With nearly four decades of experience, David has been recognised as a driving force in the development of autonomous and electric vehicles, earning an MBE in June 2025 for his pioneering work to decarbonise airports through innovations such as the Auto-DollyTug, now in use at airports worldwide. A board member of the UK Automotive Council, Visiting Professor at Coventry University, and Fellow of the Institute of Engineering and Technology, David shares insights from his journey as an entrepreneur, innovator, and mentor nurturing the next generation of talent.Nick and David discuss how Aurrigo is partnering with major airlines, airports, and ground handlers—including Heathrow, Schiphol, Changi, and Swissport—to deploy autonomous technology that reduces emissions and addresses post-COVID staffing shortages by automating repetitive, low-value tasks. David highlights why airports are the ideal proving ground for autonomy—operating at low speeds, under strict regulations, and within confined domains—and explains how AI supports vision systems while safety-critical driving remains rules-based.The conversation also explores digital twins, airport electrification, and the next wave of autonomous applications, from cargo and baggage handling to security patrols, catering vehicles, and even remote-controlled passenger stairs. Offering insights into global scaling, competition with legacy ground support manufacturers, and the balance between innovation and safety, this discussion reveals how autonomous technology is reshaping airside operations and redefining the future of aviation logistics.David's Book choices where:The Warren Buffett Way  by Robert G. Hagstrom Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert T. Kiyosaki and Sharon Lechter David's music choice was:Mr Blue Sky by ELOThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Peter YorkPeter York is an author, broadcaster, journalist, management consultant and cultural commentator. He was Style Editor of Harper’s & Queen for ten years and co-authored The Official Sloane Ranger Handbook in 1982. He co-founded the consultancy SRU Ltd, later chaired a UK government Foresight committee on the future of leisure, and has written for The Independent on Sunday, GQ and Management Today.Peter’s most recent books are The War Against the BBC: How an Unprecedented Combination of Hostile Forces Is Destroying Britain's Greatest Cultural Institution... And Why You Should Care and A Dead Cat on Your Table — which argues that Britain’s culture wars are waged by a shameless minority with no shortage of money or media access, battling society’s most vulnerable not for principle, but for money and political power.Peter and Nick discuss Peter's inspiring mentors and working with major brands, media outlets, and designers while building his consultancy career. They also discusses the creation and cultural impact of the Sloane Ranger Handbook, its ties to 1980s London, and the social shifts of that era. Peter contrasts the old financial and advertising worlds with today’s technology-driven landscape, expressing concern about the decline of human connection, the rise of disinformation, and the role of AI in shaping public opinion. They also cover some of the themes of his book A Dead Cat on Your Table, which explores how culture wars and “othering” distract from real societal issues.Peter's book choice wasThe Three Musketeers Hardcover – by Alexandre Dumas Peter's music choices whereAvalon by Roxy MusicOnce in a Lifetime by Talking Heads Subscribe to Peter's Podcast - Peter York's Culture Wars House PartyThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Mike England Mike holds a Master's Degree in Engineering and brings over 25 years of commercial and operational leadership experience in industrial product distribution and services. He spent eight years with FTSE100 RS Group plc, where he held key leadership roles including Group Chief Operating Officer, overseeing P&L across the Americas, EMEA, and APAC. Prior to that, he served as President of EMEA and, earlier, as Managing Director, successfully leading the turnaround of operations in the UK and Northern Europe. Before RS Group, Mike spent nine years at FTSE250 Brammer plc (now Rubix), where he was Key Account and Sales Director, following nine years at Rexel in a variety of commercial and operational leadership roles.Nick and Mike discuss how Flowtech has been through a major transformation, bringing 17 brands together under one name and shifting the business from service issues to a more stable, profitable footing. Mike points to the relaunch of the company’s well-known fluid power catalogue and the launch of a new website that makes it easier for customers to buy online while showcasing the full range of products and services. They touch on the steady MRO market, the quick turnaround of recent acquisitions, and the fresh leadership team now in place. Looking ahead, Mike shares his optimism that with stronger foundations and a scalable model, Flowtech is well placed to grow as markets recover, both through its own improvements and selective acquisitions. Mike's book choice was: Start With Why by Simon SinekMike's music choice was:Don't You (Forget About Me) by Simple MindsThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

In this weeks episode Nick talks to Benedict EvansBenedict Evans is an independent analyst with over 25 years’ experience in mobile, media, and technology. Evans recounts his career journey, from equity analysis of mobile operators, to strategic roles in media and telecoms, and later his work at venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz.Nick and Benedict conversations explores the evolution of artificial intelligence, clarifying definitions of AI, machine learning, and generative AI, and drawing historical parallels with past technology shifts such as smartphones, spreadsheets, and the internet. Evans discusses AI’s strengths, limitations, and public misconceptions, emphasising that its current utility lies in domains like software development and marketing. He notes that while AI can produce impressive results, it operates on probabilistic reasoning rather than human-like understanding, making it well-suited for some tasks but unreliable for others requiring precise factual accuracy.The discussion also addresses societal responses to new technologies, including moral panics, misuse by bad actors, and challenges in regulation. Evans stresses the importance of distinguishing hype from genuine capability and identifying where AI adds the most value. Looking ahead, he outlines adoption patterns, the integration of AI into everyday workflows, and the ongoing debate over whether large language models represent a fundamental shift in computing or simply another software evolution.Follow Benedict and subscribe to his newsletter here. This content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Lionel Barber.Lionel Barber is a distinguished British journalist best known for his tenure as Editor of the Financial Times from 2005 to 2020, during which he spearheaded its transformation into a globally respected, digital-first news organisation. A graduate of St Edmund Hall, Oxford, he began his career at The Scotsman before moving to The Sunday Times and then joining the FT in 1985, where he held senior roles including Washington correspondent, Brussels bureau chief, news editor, and U.S. managing editor. As editor, he conducted landmark interviews with world leaders such as Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin, and Angela Merkel. Barber is the author of The Powerful and the Damned: Private Diaries in Turbulent Times and his latest book Gambling Man: The Wild Ride of Japan’s Masayoshi Son, and has been recognised with honours including the Légion d’Honneur, the Stella d’Italia, and the Gerald Loeb Lifetime Achievement Award. He currently serves on several boards, lectures globally on media and geopolitics, and co-hosts the Media Confidential podcast with Alan Rusbridger. Nick and Lionel discuss, Lionel's journey from a newspaper-loving household in Leeds to leading one of the world's most influential publications. Inspired by his journalist father, Barber started his career at The Scotsman and quickly rose through the ranks, eventually serving as foreign correspondent in Washington and Brussels before becoming FT editor in 2005. He shares highlights from his tenure, including interviews with Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, and his leadership during the paper's digital transformation. Barber also discusses his latest book, Gambling Man, a biography of Masayoshi Son, the Korean-Japanese entrepreneur behind SoftBank. The book charts Son's remarkable rise from growing up in a marginalised slum to building one of the world's largest investment funds. Barber portrays Son as both a visionary and a calculated risk-taker, whose bold investments in Yahoo, Alibaba, and ARM shaped modern tech finance. He also delves into Son's failures, such as the WeWork debacle, and his ability to bounce back with ambitious plans in AI and global innovation, while still regarded with suspicion by Japan’s establishment.Lionel's book choice was:Present at the creation Dean AchesonLionel Music choice was:Piano Sonata No. 32 in C minor, Op. 111 by Ludwig van BeethovenFollow Lionel on his Substack and his podcast - Media Confidential.This content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to long-time friend of the show, Hugh Hendry, the Acid Capitalist. Hugh Hendry is a Scottish hedge fund manager and outspoken investor known for his contrarian views and sharp macroeconomic commentary. Born in Glasgow, he studied Economics and Finance at the University of Strathclyde before starting his career at Baillie Gifford, later moving to Credit Suisse and Odey Asset Management. In 2005, he co-founded Eclectica Asset Management, where he served as Chief Investment Officer and gained prominence for delivering strong returns during volatile periods—most notably a 32% gain in 2008 amid the global financial crisis. After closing the fund in 2017, Hendry relocated to St Barts, where he now invests in luxury real estate and hosts a podcast focused on global markets and economic disruption. Hugh and Nick explore the fragility of the global economic system, focusing on what he sees as America’s loss of monetary sovereignty due to decades of manipulated international trade—particularly by China. He argues that the US has been structurally weakened by its role as the global consumer of last resort, propped up by foreign capital inflows and suppressed foreign currencies. Hendry praises the economic direction of the “Trump 2.0” presidency for challenging the status quo with tariffs, capital flow restrictions, and trade rebalancing—measures he believes are necessary to avoid long-term decline.Nick and Hugh also discusses Hugh's bullish stance on Bitcoin, highlighting its potential for explosive growth given its small market cap relative to traditional asset classes. He views Bitcoin as a compelling macro trade, especially in a world of shifting monetary regimes. The conversation then turns to the rise of AI, which Hendry describes as transformative both personally and economically—disrupting jobs, changing creative processes, and complicating traditional tax models. Follow and subscribe to Hugh's SubstackThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Marty Connaghan.Marty began his career at Glasgow-based investment firm Murray Johnstone in 1998, and joined Aberdeen in 2001 following its acquisition of Murray Johnstone. Over the years, he has held various roles, including Dealer, ESG Analyst, and Credit Analyst. For the past 17 years, Martin has specialised in managing Global Equity and Income mandates. He has been a member of the Murray International Trust fund management team since 2017. Nick and Marty discuss Marty's career journey and investment philosophy. Marty shares how he entered the finance world unexpectedly, starting as an office junior at Murray Johnstone after leaving university early. His curiosity and persistence led him through roles in investment accounting, trading, credit analysis, and eventually into fund management. Over nearly three decades, he has developed a focus on global equity and income strategies, managing portfolios with a strong emphasis on quality companies with reliable and growing dividends. Marty highlights the importance of understanding businesses deeply and constructing portfolios that balance yield, sustainability, and long-term value. Nick and Marty also discuss macroeconomic dynamics, the impact of political volatility—especially from the U.S.—on markets, and the challenges and opportunities within sectors like healthcare, consumer staples, and emerging markets. Marty emphasises the disciplined approach of staying true to the fund's objective rather than chasing market fads. They also cover ESG integration, passive investing’s distortion of markets, and UK equity undervaluation. Marty's Book choices where:All That Matters - Sir Chris HoyAndre Agassi - OpenDanny Champion of The World - Roald DahlMarty's music choice was:Nothing Can Change This Love by Otis Reading This content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Alison KosikAlison Kosik is an American journalist and freelance anchor currently reporting for ABC News. She previously served as a business correspondent for CNN, where she covered the New York Stock Exchange. Her debut book, What’s Up With Women And Money? How To Do All The Financial Stuff You’ve Been Avoiding, was released on March 4, 2025. Nick and Alison discuss Alison's journey from a childhood fascination with journalism to becoming a respected anchor and business correspondent. She discusses her early ambitions, winning essay contests as a young girl in Miami, and turning down a scholarship to pursue journalism in Washington, D.C. After struggling through unpaid internships and low-paying early jobs, Alison eventually landed roles with CBS and CNN, including a pivotal position reporting from the New York Stock Exchange. Despite initial doubts about her knowledge of finance, she quickly adapted and excelled, interviewing high-profile figures like Warren Buffett and Hillary Clinton.Alison’s new book, What’s Up With Women and Money?, which draws from her personal experience of relinquishing financial control in her marriage and the resulting consequences. She explains how the book aims to empower women across all backgrounds to take charge of their finances with confidence, using accessible language and relatable analogies—like “shoe budgets”—to demystify complex topics like insurance, estate planning, and investing. Alison highlights the cultural and psychological barriers many women face regarding financial literacy, and stresses the importance of community, self-awareness, and early financial education to break the cycle.Alison's book choice was: Life of Pi by Yann MartelAlison's music choice was: Irene Cara - What a FeelingThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Nadine Buckland.Nadine has over two decades of experience in advisory and investment. She co-founded Zenzic Capital in 2014 alongside Tom Lloyd-Jones. Before establishing Zenzic, Nadine held positions in insolvency and transaction advisory at Horwath Clarke Whitehill, RSM Tenon, and Baker Tilly.Nick and Nadine discuss the evolution of the UK and European non-bank lending market, with a particular focus on real estate credit. Nadine shares her journey from insolvency roles to co-founding Zenzic Capital, a specialist in opportunistic real estate debt. They highlight the increasing demand for alternative lending solutions, particularly in the SME and mid-market real estate sectors, where traditional bank appetite remains constrained. Key trends include the rising use of preferred equity and short-term credit facilities to help borrowers manage refinancing and bridge valuation gaps in a higher interest rate environment. Nadine also highlights the growing role of inheritance tax-efficient investment vehicles and the importance of flexible capital in supporting sectors such as affordable housing and purpose-built student accommodation.Looking ahead, they explore opportunities in continental Europe, where non-bank lending remains comparatively nascent, particularly in markets such as Spain, Italy, and France. Zenzic Capital targets lower mid-market transactions (£20 million to £50 million), offering flexible capital where larger credit providers are less active. Success in these markets relies on deep local market knowledge, strong underwriting standards, and building long-term borrower relationships to navigate Europe’s fragmented legal and regulatory landscape. The conversation underscores how non-bank real estate lenders are well positioned to benefit from Europe’s wave of refinancing demand and the growing requirement for alternative, relationship-driven capital, positioning firms like Zenzic at the forefront of this dynamic market. Nadine's book choice was: Five Minutes in the Morning by AsterNadine's music choice was:Moon River by Andy WilliamsThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

In this weeks episode Nick talks to Frank BuchholzRetired financial advisor Frank J. Buchholz shares insights from his 40-year career in investment advising, particularly his time at Merrill Lynch. He discusses his motivation for writing The Investor’s Golden Playbook, a book designed to help novice investors navigate the financial world using clear principles, including assessing time horizon, risk tolerance, and tax implications. Frank emphasizes the importance of long-term investing, the power of compounding, and the need for a “money buffer” for emergencies. He advocates for managed accounts over stock-picking and warns against speculative investments like commodities and cryptocurrencies.Nick and Frank discuss Frank's memorable lessons from influential clients and mentors, highlighting real-life examples of disciplined investing and generosity. He advises young people to start saving early—citing the compounding effect of even modest daily contributions—and stresses the value of seeking guidance from trustworthy advisors. Frank also reflects on his own financial philosophy, his philanthropic approach to book proceeds, and his continued passion for helping others build secure financial futures.Frank's book choice was: The Art of the Deal by Donald Trump https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/trump-the-art-of-the-deal-book-donald-trump-9781847943033?Frank's music choices where:Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven https://open.spotify.com/track/0DANcJuMamcL9NyYkEWWTqWhitney Huston - The Greatest Love of Allhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6yJxCltgtmGxIgKOS6ndnuThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Iain BaillieIain began his career at Strauss Turnbull and Co and has been involved in UK and European Capital Markets for over 35 years as a trader of both equities and corporate bonds, culminating in heading European credit trading as a Managing Director of Salomon Brothers. Iain was also a founding director of LBDP, a successful agency broker in European credit. From 2003 to 2007 Iain was CEO of MarketAxess Europe, the leading platform for electronic execution in the credit market. He was responsible for all facets of the company's European business and during his tenure MarketAxess saw a ten-fold increase in activity across the platform. Before founding Asset Match, Iain was Head of Fixed Income at Christopher Street Capital.Nick and Iain discuss Iain's journey from an unexpected start in finance to building a platform that brings liquidity to shares in UK private companies. After developing an early fascination with the stock pages of the Financial Times, he began his career at Strauss Turnbull in 1972. He later joined Salomon Brothers, working in both London and New York, with John Meriwether & Michael Lewis, during the firm’s heyday in fixed income trading. Following this, he founded and sold a credit market boutique before returning to Salomon, and eventually moved into electronic trading by leading the European arm of MarketAxess.In 2012, Iain co-founded Asset Match in response to the growing number of private UK companies with multiple shareholders but no exit opportunities. The platform uses scheduled auctions—rather than continuous trading—to match buyers and sellers fairly, with early clients including BrewDog and Tottenham Hotspur. Iain also discusses the growing momentum behind the PISCES initiative, a Treasury and FCA-led framework set to legitimise and expand private share trading. With more companies staying private for longer and institutional interest rising, he sees significant growth ahead for the sector.Iain's book choices where:Liar's Poker by Michael Lewishttps://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/liar-s-poker-book-michael-lewis-9780340839966Prisoners of Geography by Tim Marshallhttps://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/why-nations-fail-book-daron-acemoglu-9781846684302Why Nations Fail by Daron Acemogluhttps://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/why-nations-fail-book-daron-acemoglu-9781846684302Iain music choice was:Liquidator by Harry J. All Starshttps://open.spotify.com/track/4iW7PQeJWV57XeN7miyJpSThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Chris Gillespie.Chris’s career in financial services spans over 40 years. He brings extensive experience from senior leadership roles within consumer finance businesses. Prior to joining H&T, Chris served as Managing Director of the consumer credit division at Provident Financial PLC. Chris maintains a strong interest in matters affecting the wider industry and is a Fellow of the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants. Nick and Chris discuss his extensive career in financial services, beginning at Barclays Bank and spanning several leadership roles including at Provident Financial. He shares insights into the unique hybrid model of H&T, which blends financial services and retail, operating across 285 stores nationwide. Chris highlights the evolving perception and customer base of pawnbroking in the UK, the simplicity and accessibility of its loan model, and its growing role in small business financing. He also discusses H&T’s broader services—including foreign exchange, retail of pre-owned jewellery and watches, and cheque cashing—all aimed at increasing store footfall. Emphasising the business’s community roots, counter-cyclical nature, and expansion potential, Chris notes the importance of trusted staff and store locations. The company remains focused on UK growth through store expansion and technology investment, with a strong commitment to customer service and transparency. Chris' book choice was:Lord of the Rings by J R R TolkienThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Judith MacKenzie. Judith joined Downing in October 2009, bringing with her extensive experience in venture capital and fund management. Prior to this, she was a partner at Acuity Capital, where she managed AIM-listed VCT and IHT investments, as well as a small-cap activist fund. Before Acuity, Judith spent nine years as a senior investment manager at Aberdeen Asset Management Growth Capital, where she co-managed five Aberdeen VCTs, focusing on technology and media investments across both public and private companies. In 2010, she founded Downing Fund Managers, the boutique investment division of Downing LLP. Judith currently serves as Chair of the Quoted Companies Alliance and holds active board roles in both private and public sectors.Nick and Judith discuss her journey into finance, inspired by working in her parents’ small businesses in the Scottish Highlands. Her early exposure to economics and investing sparked a lifelong interest in smaller companies. She discusses her career progression from stockbroking to fund management, emphasising her focus on UK micro-cap and smaller companies through Downing’s IHT (Inheritance Tax) service. Judith explains the appeal of AIM-listed firms due to their tax benefits and potential for strong returns, highlighting a hands-on, diligent investment approach that mirrors private equity standards. She identifies three key types of companies she targets: value compounders, self-help businesses, and balance sheet leaders—mentioning Ramsdens, James Latham, and Flowtech as examples. Judith critiques the negative narrative around AIM, advocating for its role in supporting entrepreneurial growth and job creation. She expresses hope for a shift back to active investing and UK-focused capital deployment, especially in light of current global economic uncertainties and US-centric fund flows.  Judith's book choice was:Vassal State: How America Runs Britain by Angus HantonJudith's music choice was:Human by The KillersThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Parmy Olson. Parmy Olson is a prominent technology journalist and author, currently a columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. She previously covered tech and innovation for The Wall Street Journal and Forbes, with a focus on AI, robotics, and emerging technologies. In 2012, she published We Are Anonymous, an acclaimed deep dive into the hacker groups Anonymous and LulzSec. Her 2024 book, Supremacy: AI, ChatGPT, and the Race That Will Change the World, explores the rivalry between tech giants like OpenAI and DeepMind in the pursuit of artificial general intelligence, earning the Financial Times Business Book of the Year Award. Nick and Parmy discuss the intense race to develop artificial general intelligence (AGI) and the far-reaching implications of that pursuit. Their conversation highlights the contrast between the idealistic visions of DeepMind’s Demis Hassabis and OpenAI’s Sam Altman—who saw AGI as a force for solving global challenges—and the reality that both ultimately became deeply tied to tech giants like Google and Microsoft to fund their ambitions. Parmy explains how this reliance shifted the focus away from social good and towards corporate interests. Together, they explore the broader consequences of this power shift, including the lack of meaningful regulation, ongoing ethical concerns around bias and safety in AI models, and the growing dominance of a few large tech firms. They also reflect on the social risks—from job losses and the disruption of traditional career paths to the emotional dependency people are beginning to form with chatbots—raising important questions about the kind of future society is heading towards. Parmy's Book Choice was: Born to Run by Christopher McdougallParmy's Music Choice was:Rumours by Fleetwood MacThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Duncan GarroodDuncan Garrood is CEO of Empiric Student Property, Originally trained as a scientist, he transitioned into the corporate world, spending 20 years at Unilever in various global roles across production, sales, and marketing. He played a key role in expanding business operations, including launching an ice cream division in China. Over the years, he took on leadership roles in hospitality, aviation, and leisure, overseeing transformations at companies like Punch Taverns and Ten Entertainment. His career has been defined by adaptability, embracing opportunities across different industries, and executing successful turnaround strategies and large-scale expansions. Nick and Duncan discuss strategic growth, transformation, and market positioning, particularly in the student property sector with Empiric Student Property. Duncan emphasised the importance of aligning business strategy with market demand, particularly in catering to international and postgraduate students seeking a premium, boutique accommodation experience. They explored the challenges of acquiring and optimizing property portfolios, adapting to economic shifts, and navigating investment landscapes. Duncan also highlighted the role of data-driven decision-making, customer-centric business models, and maintaining a strong brand identity, drawing parallels between his past experiences in multinational corporations and property investment. Duncan's Book Choice was:I, Robot - Isaac Asimovhttps://onlineshop.oxfam.org.uk/i-robot/product/HD_302753825?sku=HD_302753825Duncan's Music Choice was:Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamondhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6pnwfWyaWjQiHCKTiZLItrThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to George EnsorGeorge Ensor is the portfolio manager for the RGI UK Listed Smaller Companies Fund and the River UK Micro Cap Investment Trust. He joined River Global Investors in 2014 as a UK equity analyst, following his role as a private client investment manager at Smith & Williamson Investment Management. George holds a degree in Chemistry from the University of Bristol and is a CFA Charterholder.  Nick and George discuss, his journey into investment management, starting with his chemistry degree and eventual move into equities, driven by the challenge of taking contrarian views in the market. He outlines his experience at Smith & Williamson, where he gained exposure to global multi-asset management, client service, and investment allocation. Transitioning to River Global (formerly River & Mercantile), he details the firm's evolution, including its listing and eventual return to a boutique-style setup. He explains the structural differences between open-ended small-cap funds and closed-ended micro-cap investment trusts, emphasising how micro-cap funds exploit liquidity premiums and offer high-conviction investments.George also discusses the challenges and opportunities within UK small-cap investing, noting cyclical market trends, liquidity constraints, and shifts in investor sentiment. He highlights how UK small caps have been underperforming large caps due to external factors like interest rates, economic cycles, and regulatory changes. He believes in the long-term growth potential of UK small caps, citing past market recoveries and potential reforms such as pension fund adjustments and British ISAs. The conversation further delves into investment strategies, including the balance between growth, quality, and recovery stocks, and explores specific holdings like Keystone Law, DF Capital, and Renold. He expresses concerns about undervaluation in the market, private equity takeovers, and the impact of passive investing on small-cap liquidity. Despite current challenges, he remains optimistic about the cyclical return of capital inflows into UK equities and the opportunities available for disciplined investors.George's book choices where: Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don't Have All the Facts - Annie Duke https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thinking-Bets-Annie-Duke/dp/0735216371/Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away - Annie Duke https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/quit-the-power-of-knowing-when-to-walk-away-annie-duke/7098911George's music choice was: The Best by Tina Turnerhttps://open.spotify.com/track/4OeFQtRyT7vsLnRTv7t8YTThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

In this bonus episode Nick talks to Jeff Chatfield. Jeff serves as the Executive Chairman of Avation PLC and played a pivotal role in its founding and development. Throughout his career, he has held management and directorial positions in various companies across sectors such as the airline industry, data distribution, electronics, investment, broadcasting, and manufacturing. He holds both a Bachelor of Engineering and a Master of Engineering Science from the University of Western Australia. Additionally, he is a graduate member of the Australian Institute of Company Directors and a Fellow of the Singapore Institute of Directors. Nick and Jeff discus the company’s recent half-year results and market position. Jeff highlights Avation’s strong financial performance, including increased revenue and reduced net debt. He also discusses the company’s aircraft leasing portfolio, noting a recent acquisition of an Etihad-operated Airbus A320. Despite these positive results, Avation's share price remains undervalued at 50% of net asset value (NAV), which Jeff attributes to investor unfamiliarity with the aircraft leasing sector and the company’s London Stock Exchange listing. He suggests that moving to a higher-tier market segment could help attract more investors.The conversation also touches on Avation’s debt structure and potential refinancing opportunities. Jeff explains that a $330 million bond maturing in 2026 could be refinanced as early as 2025, potentially lowering interest costs and improving cash flow. He emphasizes the importance of dividends to investors and notes strong shareholder support for past dividend payouts. Looking ahead, Avation aims to continue growing its fleet and improving shareholder value, with strategies such as increasing investor engagement and possibly integrating with a larger leasing business for better financing terms. Jeff's Book choice was:The Proof of My Innocence by Jonathan Coehttps://www.waterstones.com/book/9780241678411This content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Andrew JonesAndrew led Metric Property Investments Plc as co-founder and CEO from its launch in March 2010 until its successful merger with London & Stamford in January 2013, when he took the helm as Chief Executive of the newly formed LondonMetric. His extensive real estate experience includes a pivotal role at British Land, where he served as Executive Director and Head of Retail after joining through the Pillar acquisition in 2005. As a Board member at British Land, he oversaw shopping centers and retail park portfolios. Currently, Andrew brings his expertise to InstaVolt, a leading electric vehicle charging network, as a Non-Executive Director. He previously served on the Board of Unite plc for six years as a Non-Executive Director.In this episode, Nick and Andrew explore his career journey and insights into the real estate industry. Andrew shares how his early interest in investing led him to a career in commercial real estate, starting in the late 1980s during a recession. He discusses his experience working with major firms like British Land before founding London Metric Property in 2010. The conversation covers the evolution of retail, from high streets to retail parks, the impact of online shopping, and the importance of understanding consumer behaviour. Andrew also explains LondonMetric’s focus on resilient sectors like logistics, convenience retail, healthcare, entertainment and leisure, along with their asset management strategy, including “triple net” leases and tenant mix optimisation. Looking ahead, Andrew shares his perspective on growth opportunities through acquisitions and strategic mergers while maintaining a focus on the UK market. He highlights the challenges of high street retail compared to retail parks and discusses LondonMetric’s approach to income generation and long-term investing. Andrew's book choices where:Barbarians at the Gate by Bryan Burroughhttps://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/barbarians-at-the-gate-book-bryan-burrough-9780099469155The Predators' Ball by Connie Bruckhttps://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31852760243The Big Short by Michael Lewishttps://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/big-short-book-michael-lewis-9781846142574Adventures in Time: Nelson, Hero of the Seas by Dominic Sandbrookhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Time-Nelson-Hero-Seas/dp/0241552214/Andrew's podcast choices where:We Study Billionaires - The Investor’s Podcast Networkhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/we-study-billionaires-the-investors-podcast-network/id928933489Acquired with Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthalhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/acquired/id1050462261This content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.

This week Nick talks to Steve Ruffley Steve Ruffley is a professional trader of nearly 25 years. Steve offers personalised trading risk management and mentoring packages and is a published author with The Pro Retail Trader: How to Generate Professional-level Returns as a Retail Trader. The discussion explores Steve Ruffley’s career in financial markets, detailing his journey from a university dropout to a professional trader. Initially working at PricewaterhouseCoopers, he later discovered his passion for trading in Gibraltar, where he joined a proprietary trading firm. Ruffley reflects on the challenges of professional trading, including high financial targets and the transition from floor trading to electronic platforms. After a stint in risk management, he returned to independent trading, focusing on indices and forex. He emphasises the importance of discipline, confidence, and quick decision-making in trading, distinguishing between retail and professional approaches. Steve also shares insights on market adaptability, critiques the growing influence of AI in trading, and discusses his latest book, The Pro Retail Trader, which aims to guide retail traders in advancing their skills. He expresses scepticism toward Bitcoin as a tradable asset and highlights the role of algorithmic trading.  Steve's published books are:The Pro Retail Trader: How to Generate Professional-level Returns as a Retail Traderhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Pro-Retail-Trader-Generate-Professional-level/dp/1804091375The Ruff Guide to Trading: Make Money in the Marketshttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Ruff-Guide-Trading-Money-Markets/dp/0857194003/ Steve's film choice was: Rocky IVhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Rocky-IV-Vs-Drago/dp/B09MNTHVQZSteve's Music choices where:Battleship Chain by The Georgia Satelliteshttps://open.spotify.com/track/0dJEQ01IPN4ukqRsPrm4abThis content is issued by Zeus Capital Limited (“Zeus”) (Incorporated in England & Wales No. 4417845), which is authorised and regulated in the United Kingdom by the Financial Conduct Authority (“FCA”) for designated investment business, (Reg No. 224621) and is a member firm of the London Stock Exchange. This content is for information purposes only and neither the information contained, nor the opinions expressed within, constitute or are to be construed as an offer or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell the securities or other instruments mentioned in it. Zeus shall not be liable for any direct or indirect damages, including lost profits arising in any way from the information contained in this material. This material is for the use of intended recipients only.