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Alan Dayley is back to help me continue the quest of figuring out why so many companies are struggling with PI Planning or quarterly planning. During the interview, we discuss some of the reasons organizations struggle with this type of planning. We address the topic from the perspective of senior leadership, why they want it, how they often approach it, and the challenges that creates. We also explore the way the request is often interpreted by the Development Teams, how they often respond, and how critical it is that they have the time needed to understand the request and the freedom to respond in a way that is responsible to the organization. Alan is a SAFe Program Consultant, so during the conversation he also explains how PI planning is supposed to work if you are truly following SAFe. … and, Developers are not batteries Contacting Alan LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alandd/ Email: alandd@DayleyAgile.com

You’ve decided to take a Scrum certification class. Now the question is, which one? If you are looking for something like Certified Scrum Master or Certified Scrum Product Owner, there are so many options to choose from that it can be overwhelming. All of them should result in certification and price is certainly a concern. But there are a number of other factors to consider when trying to find the Scrum training that is right for you. When you take a certification class, whether its focus is on Scrum, Lean, Kanban, Project Management, whatever… you are investing in yourself and your future. In this podcast, Vic Bonacci and I talk through some of the key things you should consider when selecting a certification course. You are spending your time and money to obtain knowledge and validation (through certification) that you have a certain degree of expertise. Choose wisely… it’s your future. Contacting Vic LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vbonacci/ AgileCoffee Podcast: https://agilecoffee.com Online Scrum Class: https://onlinescrumclass.com Contacting Dave Linktree: https://linktr.ee/mrsungo Dave’s Classes listed on Scrum Alliance site: https://tinyurl.com/35pzsk5j

Keeping up with what is happening in AI is no small task. You probably know some folks who spend a lot of free time learning how to bend (insert AI flavor of the week) to their will, there are folks who are preaching to anyone who will listen about all the amazing things that are right around the corner, and then there are the folks who just periodically peek over their shoulder and say “Yeah, um… let me know when you’ve got this bit actually working.” And then there are people like Snehal Talati. I met Snehal last year at the Scrum Gathering and we did a podcast about http://aiagile.org, the community he started to bring Agilists together to ensure that the intersection between the Agile space and AI happens in an intentional and thoughtful way. It’s been 8 months since that podcast was posted and that’s like 20 years in the AI space. So Snehal is back to share what’s been happening in AI and Agile. and to talk about the free course he built for the Scrum Alliance to help folks get started. During our conversation, Snehal gives an update on some of the newer changes and challenges in AI and he also offers real-life examples of how AI is becoming a powerful part of his personal productivity. If you’d like to check out the Scrum Alliance’s AI course, that is here: • AI & Agility: A Comprehensive Introduction: https://resources.scrumalliance.org/Course/ai-agility-comprehensive-introduction AI Links to get you started: • AI Agile: https://www.aiagile.org/ • Agile GPT: https://www.agilegpt.com/ • ChatGPT: https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt CONTACTING SNEHAL • Web: https://www.boostaro.com • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/snehal-talati-124a38b6/

If you are on one of those teams that has made a habit of dragging unfinished work from one Sprint to the next... YOU NEED TO STOP!   When you get to the end of a Sprint and have work that isn't done, you can't show it to the stakeholders in the Sprint Review. If you don't show it to Stakeholders in the Sprint Review, you can't get feedback. And if you can't get feedback, you can't inspect and adapt, and you negate the entire point of working in a Sprint. This podcast offers five things that you and your team can do right now to stop carrying over unfinished work and start enabling Scrum to provide you with the results you and your organization were hoping for when you headed down the path to agility. This podcast was originally recorded in video. You can find that version here: https://youtu.be/df8Ig_KYPUg If you liked this podcast, please click subscribe and let me know so I keep adding more. If you are interested in attending one of my upcoming CSM or CSPO classes, just follow this link: https://tinyurl.com/yc5k84z5 And if you'd like to contact me, you can find all my links right here: https://linktr.ee/mrsungo

At the Modus Institute, Jim Benson and Mark Kilby have created a new offering called Successful Distributed Teams. This new course focuses on how to build strong remote teams, how to create a humane, healthy balance of productivity and accountability, and what tools you can use to make it all work. In this interview, Jim and Mark join me to discuss what happened when they combined the many years of experience they each have in shaping remote teams that work. We cover how the idea of remote work has changed over the past few years, what makes it so challenging, and things you can start doing to foster a thriving collaborative remote team.  This podcast was originally recorded in video. You can find that version here: https://youtu.be/TnFzQr80tBg To learn more about Successful Distributed Teams https://modusinstitute.com/course/successful-remote-work-teams To check out Mark Kilby and Johanna Rothman’s book From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams https://tinyurl.com/5fbnynxe Contacting Jim Web: https://modusinstitute.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jimbenson Email: jim@moduscooperandi.com Contacting Mark Web: MarkKilby.com Mastodon: https://hachyderm.io/@mkilby LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mkilby/ Email: mark@markkilby.com

A few weeks ago I interviewed Gil Broza about his new book, “Deliver Better Results: How to Unlock Your Organization's Potential". The book was designed to quickly provide actionable practices that organizations can utilize to improve their value delivery system. It focuses on understanding the fitness for purpose of your system of delivery, and how to employ his ten strategies to improve your level of maturity. During my prep for the interview and during our conversation, there was one thing that was stuck in my head. None of this works without trust. How can a traditional, potentially toxic organization pivot into an approach that is mostly dependent on a certain level of trust? So, during our first interview, I asked Gil if he’d be open to a second conversation where we focus on the question “How do you build trust in an organizational system that does not have it? Gil was kind enough to agree and that is where this podcast began. If you’d like to check out our initial conversation you can find it here: https://on.soundcloud.com/Ed2C4 Deliver Better Results: How to Unlock Your Organization's Potential
 You can purchase the book here: http://DeliverBetterResultsBook.com Gil has made the first chapter of the book available for download. It provides an executive-level summary of the 10 strategies and how they work as well as an assessment that readers can complete to determine the maturity level of their organization and select strategies to help them improve. You can download it for free here: http://HeardOnPodcast.DeliverBetterResultsBook.com Contacting Gil
 * Work: http://3pvantage.com/
 * LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gilbroza/ Dave's Upcoming Classes 
In the introduction to the podcast I mentioned a few of my upcoming classes: * A-CSPO February 29-March 1 http://tinyurl.com/bde5acnv * CSM Atlanta - March 4-5 - http://tinyurl.com/yhwzr3bs
 * CSPO Atlanta - March 6-7 - http://tinyurl.com/24be92zy
 And you can find links to all of my upcoming classes here: http://tinyurl.com/4wbkkhra

Gil Broza joins me for a podcast about his new book, “Deliver Better Results: How to Unlock Your Organization's Potential". During the interview, Gil and I discuss how he designed the book to quickly provide actionable practices that organizations can utilize to improve their value delivery system. Our conversation includes details on how to understand the fitness for purpose of your system of delivery, and how to employ his ten strategies to improve your level of maturity. The first chapter of the book provides an executive-level summary of the 10 strategies and how they work as well as an assessment that readers can complete to determine the maturity level of their organization and select strategies to help them improve. Gil has offered an electronic version of the first chapter to listeners of this podcast. Just follow this link: http://HeardOnPodcast.DeliverBetterResultsBook.com The Book You can purchase the book here: http://DeliverBetterResultsBook.com Other Podcasts About the Book During the podcast, I mentioned that I had listened to a few other interviews with Gil about the book. They are definitely worth checking out because each one focuses on a different aspect of the book. - Agile Uprising: https://agileuprising.libsyn.com/driving-better-results-with-gil-broza - Tech Lead Journal: https://techleadjournal.dev/episodes/160/ - SPAM: https://spamcast.libsyn.com/spamcast-792-deliver-better-results-a-conversation-with-gill-broza Contacting Gil Work: https://3pvantage.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gilbroza/ Dave's Upcoming Classes In the introduction to the podcast I mentioned a few of my upcoming classes: A-CSPO February 29-March 1 http://tinyurl.com/bde5acnv CSM Atlanta - March 4-5 - http://tinyurl.com/yhwzr3bs CSPO Atlanta - March 6-7 - http://tinyurl.com/24be92zy And you can find links to all of my upcoming classes here: http://tinyurl.com/4wbkkhra

With the state of Agile as it is today, I find myself frequently wondering, “Is this the Darkest Agile Timeline”? Things have been getting a bit bleak lately in the Agile space. With the layoffs, the job market, and the fact that the business world has change fatigue and is tired of not getting what they expected from a way of working they’ve mostly only kinda half-done... Where’s the hope? For this podcast (and to find some hope), I reached out to George Schlitz because 1. George is way smarter than me and sees things I can only vaguely sense the shape of, and 2. His new company Adaptivity Group has a mission statement that includes “an unquenchable thirst for ‘better’" and "a fearlessness about the unknown” that kinda smelled like hope to me. During this interview, George and I discuss whether or not this is the darkest timeline, what that means, how we got here, where we can find hope, and what we can do to make things more better-er and think that little old ant can move that rubber tree plant. If you aren’t familiar with The Darkest Timeline, in the show Community there was a storyline where a random occurrence created multiple parallel timelines. A roll of the dice created six possible ways things could have gone… basically a six-sided multiverse. And one of the parallels created is THE DARKEST TIMELINE. It’s basically the Lemony Snicket timeline of worst case scenario where Captain Kirk is sporting his Van Dyke beard, Thomas Wayne is Batman instead of Bruce Wayne, it rains all the time, you miss every bus, never made that play in the big game, never asked that person to the prom, never got that promotion… you get the idea. During the podcast, George references his blog post on "Addicted to More" blog posts which can be found here: https://www.adaptivitygroup.com/insights/addicted-to-more If you’d like to reach George you can find him here: Adaptivity Group:https://www.adaptivitygroup.com LinkedIn:http://linkedin.com/in/gschlitz

There seems to be a current trend where organizations that say they are doing PI planning or quarterly planning are making a decision for the teams about what must be delivered in the time box. The teams just accept the commitment because they either feel they do not have the agency to push back and say no to some of it or are too busy trying to finish up their last overcommitment to look at new work. So, they begin the new time box already behind and then assess the new work only to (shockingly) learn it is too much. Then they divide it up by the number of Sprints or weeks and that is how they plan out how to get it all done. Most of the time this results in developing a habitual practice of carrying work from one sprint to the next, continually trying to recover from the last overcommitment so they can get to work on the new overcommitment.   In this episode, The Agile Bear, Nigel Baker, joins me to sort through why this is happening, the harm it causes, and ways to fix it. Video Version If you'd prefer to view the video version of this interview: http://tinyurl.com/2eu5yucw Contacting Nigel Linktree: https://linktr.ee/nigelebaker

What do you do when your Scrum Master’s understanding of their role seems to be less about acting as a servant leader to the Scrum Team and more about making the team to work in a way that is most convenient for them? In this episode of the podcast, Jeff Howey joins me to talk through the real-life case of a Scrum Master who seems to have lost their way. Here are some of the concerns shared in the podcast: - Dev Team is offshore and holds a Daily Scrum before 8 AM in Scrum Master’s time zone. Scrum Master requires that they hold a second Daily Scrum to provide status to Scrum Master. - SM does not attend Sprint Planning. They require the PO to run it. - SM requires the PO to run the Retrospective. All topics must be submitted in advance of the meeting and must be positive comments (not negative). - Scrum Master does not like the way the Developers have set up their Task Board and requires that they change it to a format that works better for the Scrum Master. During the conversation, Jeff and I unpack these and a number of additional concerns, talk through how they are out of alignment with Scrum and the role of the Scrum Master, and discuss suggestions we'd offer to help reset the understanding of what it means to be a Scrum Master who acts as a servant leader for a Scrum Team. If you’d like to contact Jeff Howey. LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhowey/ Newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/the-agile-alchemist-7018992829091778560

For the video version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/pnmbdAxskXo When an organization has taken the decision to switch an Agile way of working, they often get so caught up in trying to adopt the various practices and processes that they forget to stop and ask the question, “Is this providing the business outcome we need?” Remembering to keep that question top of mind is important. Knowing what to pay attention to and how to understand the answer is even more important. In this episode, Jessica Wolfe returns to the podcast so that we can discuss some of the things you might want to focus on, and how paying attention to areas that may be less obvious can give you greater insight into how agile is impacting your business and delivering the results you are looking for. As we work through the topic, Jessica shows how Lean Agile Intelligence can be used to help discover and interpret metrics you need to see so that you can understand how agile is impacting your organization. During the podcast Jessica was kind enough to offer a special 20% discount on an annual license to Lean Agile Intelligence if you purchase before the end of 2023. In order to get the discount go to https://leanagileintelligence.com/Account/Register?promoCode=DRUNKENPM6W and tell them you listened to the DrunkenPM podcast. This podcast was originally recorded using video. If you would like to check out that version so you can see the demo of Lean Agile Intelligence, click here: https://youtu.be/pnmbdAxskXo For more on Lean Agile Intelligence Web: https://tinyurl.com/2p23z556 LinkedIn: https://tinyurl.com/mspwy5r7 Instagram: https://tinyurl.com/bdcs2fnd Facebook: https://tinyurl.com/3dkjwh9t Contacting Jessica LinkedIn: https://tinyurl.com/erzxw66m

On Friday, December 8, The Agile Alliance is hosting a MiniCon on the Future of Artificial Intelligence. During the event, Mark Kilby will be hosting a roundtable discussion with the speakers to explore the ways AI is poised to impact how we work and what it will take to utilize it in an ethical and responsible way. Mark joins me in this episode of the podcast to discuss why he made a conscious decision to get schooled up on AI, how he’s going about doing it, some of the key learnings he has had along the way, and his take on what the future of AI has to offer those of us work in the agile space and project management. The Future of AI MiniCon If you’d like to learn more about the Agile Alliance’s Future of AI MiniCon: https://tinyurl.com/mw5ww3w2 Contacting Mark If you’d like to contact Mark: https://www.markkilby.com/ Distributed Teams And if you need some help with distributed teams, you should pick up a copy of From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams which Mark co-authored with Johanna Rothman. I cannot recommend this book highly enough! https://tinyurl.com/22vvnyjx

Agile is going through a lot of changes right now. The changes aren’t so much in what it is and how it works - that seems to be a bit stable at the moment. The changes stem more from how adopters feel about it, their ideas about much agile they need, what they need to achieve it, and what kind of support they want getting there. As the space works through these growing pains, many Agilists respond to discomfort they way they (unfortunately) have since the very beginning, by pointing figures at each other and saying “OM%G! CAN YOU BELIEVE THOSE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE AGILE?” It is a sad but true thing that baked deep into the culture of the agile community is this idea that the best way to prove that you are good enough, smart enough and doggone it, people like you is by calling out the people who you think are not good enough, smart enough and doggone it… you get the idea. In response to one of these incidents that showed up in his LinkedIn Feed, Andy Jordan posted an article called “Letting Go of Pure Agile” (https://www.projectmanagement.com/articles/893794/letting-go-of--pure--agile), making the case that whether or not you are truly Lean, or doing Scrum “right”, or whatever, doesn’t matter because the business cares about results and that is what we should all be focused on. I reached out to Andy to ask for an interview with the hope that we could dig a little deeper into his concerns over the purists, finding the right tools for the job, the current state of agile and project management, and, of course, how AI is impacting us. (It was also just great getting to catch up with him.) Andy, Mark Price-Perry, and I used to do workshops for PMI on Redefining your PMO. If you are curious about that you can learn more here: https://www.projectmanagement.com/videos/294895/pmxpo-2015--why-you-need-to-consider-redefining-the-pmo Andy’s Article: Letting Go of Pure Agile: https://www.projectmanagement.com/articles/893794/letting-go-of--pure--agile Contacting Andy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andyjordan/ ProjectManagement.com: https://www.projectmanagement.com/profile/andyjordan/ Web: https://www.roffensian.com

With each new round of layoffs, the existential crisis facing the agile coaching community deepens. Alan Dayley joins me to discuss how the community is retrospecting on this moment and whether or not it is asking the right questions. Over the past year, a number of high-profile organizations have made a decision to let go of their agile coaches. The impact of that choice on those organizations will become apparent in time. The impact on the coaches, however, has been more immediate. In this episode of the podcast, I am joined by Alan Dayley for a conversation about how the agile coaching community has responded to this existential crisis. With all the current conversations about whether or not Agile is dying, or how coaches could make the value they add more obvious to the organization, but there is very little discussion about the systems and environment that led to the decision to get rid of the coaches I'm the first place. What were these organizations trying to achieve and did they actually get it? Have they reached a level of agility that no longer requires the help of a coach? Is it just change fatigue? Alan and I dig into these topics throughout the conversation. This interview is also available in video. You can find that version here: https://youtu.be/TZ2KoSzkEB8 Contacting Alan LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alandd/ X (formerly Twitter): https://twitter.com/DayleyAgile Mastodon: https://mastodon.world/@adayley

Louder Than Ten is a Vancouver-based Project Management Training and Consulting company. L>10 was founded by Rachel and Travis Gertz, and for the past 14 years, everything they have done has been centered around fostering healthy and humane ways of working together and managing projects. There aren’t many organizations in the digital agency space that have taken the time to develop their own project management manifesto. It is truly a unique place and now, as they do, Rachel and Travis have cranked up the volume just a scosche higher by converting their company into a Worker Owned Cooperative. This means that folks who have been working with them for a long time (like Abby Fretz: https://on.soundcloud.com/H6TJq) as well as new employees who join Louder than Ten will have an option to purchase a stake in the company and become an equal partner. This is a far cry from the sweatshop grind-it-out approach that many agencies take and it is definitely unique in the context of what is happening in the field of project management today. In this episode of the podcast, Rachel and Travis join me to talk about what led to this decision, why they made it, and what it means for the future of Louder Than Ten. This podcast was originally recorded with video. You can find that version here: https://youtu.be/mFLfeDYhgE0 If you’d like to learn more about how to turn a business into a worker owned coop, here are some links: Worker Cooperative - Wikipedia Entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative Canadian Worker Cooperative Federation: https://canadianworker.coop/ United States Federation of Worker Cooperatives: https://www.usworker.coop/en/ Democracy at Work: https://institute.coop/ Contacting Rachel and Travis Web: https://louderthanten.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/louderthanten/ Rachel LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/rachel-gertz-trainer Travis LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/travisgertz

As long as there have been agile teams there has been the challenge of putting people together and getting them to actually be agile. You can send them off to a class and teach them Scrum or Kanban, or bring in team coaches, and that helps, but it doesn’t address one fundamental issue. Most people have not taken (or been given) the time they need to learn how to be agile in how they manage themselves as individuals. Michael Grill is a Product Owner and Head of Process and Methods in the Agile Practice at Knorr-Bremse, and they have taken steps to address this challenge of helping individuals adopt an agile mindset and practices in managing their day-to-day work by adopting Personal Kanban before they put them together on agile teams. In this interview Michael joins me to share how Knorr-Bremse came to make this choice and how it is deeply impacting their agile practice. First, you begin working with Personal Kanban, then you and your team members begin working together using PK, and then you adopt practices from Scrum, Kanban or other forms of agile, to get the work done. When Michael told me about the approach they had taken I was really excited to do the interview, because it just makes so much sense I was stunned that it had never occurred to me before. To add a little to the complexity, the work that Michael and his teams use agile to develop hardware like breaking systems for trains, and that adds a whole other dimension to how they incorporate agile. If you’d like to hear more about that, we covered it in a previous interview and there is link to it below as well as links to where you can learn more about Personal Kanban and even take a course in how to get started with it. Links:
 Using Agile to Develop Hardware with Michael Grill https://tinyurl.com/yc32jdc8 Personal Kanban site: https://www.personalkanban.com Personal Kanban Training at Modus Institute: https://modusinstitute.com Lean Agile Visual Management Certification: https://tinyurl.com/2m8pzaa7 My blog on Personal Kanban: https://tinyurl.com/33vb3rua Contacting Michael
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/michael-grill
Twitter: twitter.com/actualMG

Getting people to open up to one another and connect at work is not an easy thing. It wasn’t easy before the world went remote, and now that many of us are somewhere in the middle of being half remote and half in-person, it’s not getting any easier. But if we can get to know each other a little better and a little deeper, we will foster stronger connections. As we become more invested in one another, the work we do together will improve as a result. Together To Gather is a card game developed by Lia James from &Human and Jessie Shternshus from the Improv Effect to help leverage the power of great questions to inspire meaningful conversations. If you are looking for a really fun way to build deeper relationships with your team members or any group of people you interact with, you should definitely check out this interview. During our conversation, Jessie, Lia, and I talk about how and why the game works and discuss different use cases for it. You can even watch us play a few rounds and learn one of the reasons I was so bad at working in a recording studio. This interview was originally recorded using video. If you'd prefer to watch the video version, you can find it here: https://youtu.be/YvfqASg2EhI You can find more about Together To Gather Here: Web: https://tinyurl.com/bdht73yu Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/togethertogather/ Connecting with Lia Web: https://www.andhuman.space LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liajames/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/liajames Email: lia@liajames.com Connecting with Jessie Web: https://improveffect.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessie-shternshus/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/TheImprovEffect/ Email: jessie@improveffect.com

AI is everywhere now. You can’t have a conversation that involves the future of work without heading down the rabbit hole of how Chat GPT and tools like it are changing the workspace. For some, it is a very exciting time. For others, it is scary as hell because it is so hard to figure out how it will impact our work. In this interview, Zach Stone is back for a chat about the following questions: - What parts of the work we do on Scrum Teams will be augmented or replaced by AI? - How do we prepare for that? - After AI takes over parts of the job, what are we supposed to do and how will we keep adding value? During our conversation, Zach shares what he’s learned while pursuing answers to these questions, as well as his thoughts on what we need to do to prepare for our work in the not too distant future and what we’ll need to do in order to stay valuable and relevant to our teams and organizations. Transcript - A transcript of the interview can be found here: https://tinyurl.com/zmt26ped Links from the podcast - Interview with Zach on his team in Ukraine: https://on.soundcloud.com/jG1NM - Agile Coaching Skills - Certified Facilitator (ACS-CF): https://tinyurl.com/3tnpd637 - Jira Insights: https://tinyurl.com/2br59457 - AI For Everyone (the AI course Zach recommended): https://www.coursera.org/learn/ai-for-everyone/ - Study: Prefrontal Cortex In Jazz Musicians Winds Down When Improvising https://tinyurl.com/2ua826yf - AI Decision Assistant ChatBot for Software Release Planning and Optimized Resource Allocation https://tinyurl.com/bddz9zdm - Chat GPT: https://chat.openai.com/ Contacting Zach - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stonezach/

Times are weird in the land of Agile. More and more big companies are letting go of the people they’ve brought on to help them adopt agile practices, or replacing their Scrum Masters with Technical Program Managers, or creating a homegrown version of Agile by taking an established framework and bailing on the practices they don’t like. Is this just business accepting that what they’ve been trying to do for the past 10+ years was just too hard, have they achieved a level of agility that they are happy with, or have they decided to place different bets on what it will take to carry them into the future? In this episode of the podcast, Jesse Fewell joins me to explore different ideas about what is happening, why it is happening, and what this means for people who’ve spent years trying to establish a career in agile.  The conversation came about as a result of a post Jesse made on LinkedIn. He’s doing research on the topic and I asked him to join me to talk through some of the ideas. If you have stories to share, he’d love to hear from you. You can find his original LinkedIn post here: https://bit.ly/3EjRUf9 Towards the end of the podcast we also discuss a question that came up in one of my CSM/CSPO Lean Coffees: If you are hired as a Scrum Master into a mostly waterfall organization that still has traditional project managers, and the engineers are trying to treat you like a secretary, how do you establish your role and the value you can provide? Contacting Jesse Untapped Agility on Amazon: https://bit.ly/3PnjPBr Untapped Agility Website: https://untappedagility.com/ Jesse’s Site: https://jessefewell.com Jesse’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JesseFewell LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessefewell/ Email: jesse@fewellinnovation.com

Jardena London is on a mission. After spending years helping organizations transform, adopt agile, and achieve business agility she realized there was something missing. Soul. Yes, change was happening, but at what expense? Were people any more able to bring their whole selves to work, authentically show up, rise to the challenge of the day, and fully contribute themselves to the work? Mostly, not so much. And that is what led her to shift her focus to helping create soulful transformation within an organization. This led to a book “Cultivating Transformations: A Leader’s Guide to Connecting the Soulful and the Practical” and her newly launched community Transformational Leader Community which is the primary focus of our conversation. During this interview, we talk about what Jardena means by “soulful”, how it is different from what many people experience during their normal work, and how the change has to occur on three levels, the me, the we, and the system. If you'd prefer to watch a video of this interview https://youtu.be/zOa4IZT_V2c Join the Transformational Leader Community https://learning.cultivatingtransformations.com/ Read Jardena’s book Cultivating Transformations: A Leader’s Guide to Connecting the Soulful and the Practical https://bit.ly/3QB72fo Links from the interview - 5 Steps to Soul https://www.rosettaagile.com/resources - Inner Workings - Pixar short about happiness at work https://vimeo.com/270992364 - Brave New Work - Aaron Dignan https://amzn.to/440LJHn - The Responsibility Process - Christopher Avery https://amzn.to/47o5AD6 - 4 Stages to Psychological Safety - Tim Clark https://amzn.to/47fnKqR Contacting Jardena - CultivatingTransformations.com https://www.cultivatingtransformations.com/ - RosettaAgile.com https://www.rosettaagile.com/ - JardenaLondon.com https://www.jardenalondon.com/