An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast

In An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar, two previously unlikely friends, Kate and Erika, spill the tea (and maybe a little booze) on the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon church. Recorded at The Break Sports Bar and Grill in South Jordan, Utah, the two share their perspectives as an ExMormon and one who has never belonged to the Mormon faith, both having lived and worked in Mormon Central. Join them as they deconstruct Mormonism, one cocktail at a time. *Warning: This content contains explicit language.*

Season 2 Ep. 29 - Rising Through the Flames With Guest Megan Conner

Megan Conner is a remarkable woman with a remarkable story. In this episode, she discusses recovery after being trafficked as a seven-year-old child, and leaving an abusive marriage as an adult. Now she is thriving and using her voice to help others. Special thanks to René Steelman for stepping in once again as a stellar co-host! If you aren't already listening to her podcast, "The Midlife Revolution With Megan Conner," check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/@Third_Verse!

08-27
01:41:06

Bishop Said WHAT?!?!

Being forced to do things in the sack is a-ok according to the Mormon church, as long as it’s to “keep your family together.” 😳🤮 Two NoMos loved chatting with Joe Rawlins on this episode of, “An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar…”!   Check out Joe's podcast, "The Church of Korihor," here: https://www.youtube.com/@hellfireagency.

08-21
01:50

Season 2 Ep. 28 - Restoration or Racketeering? With Guest Joe Rawlins

Two NoMos continue to explore the lies, fabrications, and discrepancies from the Mormon church that were exposed by the CES Letter. Joe Rawlins lends his expertise. Check out his podcast, "The Church of Korihor," here: https://www.youtube.com/@hellfireagency

08-20
01:17:20

Joseph Smith Was a FRAUD

Joseph Smith was a fraud and a scheister. There is SO MUCH information readily available to refute most of his claims, it’s bonkers that there is even a single member left in the Mormon church. Two NoMos absolutely LOVED chatting with Rob Tobler on this episode of our podcast, “An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar…”! You can find more of Rob's content here: https://www.tiktok.com/@president_please_help_me

08-19
00:58

Season 2 Ep. 27 - Joseph Smith: Lost in Translation With Guest Rob Tobler

Two NoMos dive further into the lies exposed by the CES letter with special guest, Rob Tobler. You can find more content from Rob on TikTok at @president_please_help_me.

08-13
01:01:37

Responding to Mormon Missionaries....

Most people are annoyed when the Mormon missionaries come a knockin'. Erika is not most people...

08-13
01:11

Structurally Supported Abuse in the Mormon Church

All of Erika's hairs stood on end when she heard this talk by Alyssa Grenfell at the Sunstone Symposium. Abuse of children is actually baked in to the structure of the church.  Bone chilling. Check out the podcast, "Architecture of Abuse" at https://architectureofabuse.com/ to learn more.

08-08
01:23

Piety to Obtain a Bangin Wife?

Mormons like to say they are "In the world but not of the world." But the very worldly messaging young missionary men receive is anything but pious, and about as basic and worldly as you can get...

08-07
02:11

Season 2 Ep. 26 - Shining at Sunstone

Kate and Erika had a phenomenal time at the Sunstone Symposium, attending talks by Natasha Helfer, John Dehlin, and Alyssa Grenfell. In this episode, they discuss the highlights.

08-07
01:08:57

"No One From the Church Called When My Son Died."

Guest René Steelman's son died on Christmas Day. Because she had recently left the Mormon faith, no one from the church bothered to reach out to her with comfort. Their "love" was conditional on her being a member. Which is to say, not really love at all. Check out this phenomenal woman's podcast, "She Became Visible," here: https://www.youtube.com/@SheBecameVisible513/videos.

08-06
00:51

The EXACT Moment Kate Left the Mormon Church

The CES letter that highlights all the hypocrisy, falsehoods, and discrepancies of the Mormon church broke Kate's "shelf." So she informed her bishop with confidence and in no uncertain terms that she was leaving.

08-05
00:59

Natasha Helfer EXCOMMUNICATED for Sharing Facts

Kate, Erika, and René discuss the excommunication of therapist Natasha Helfer from the Mormon church for sharing factual information with her clients. She refused to spread the harmful messaging that masturbation is a "sin," and so she got the boot.

07-31
00:33

Women Can Grow Humans AND Be Great Leaders

We tried, we really tried to get through a significant chunk of and episode of Ward Radio" with Joe Rawlins on his podcast, "The Church of Korihor." But these Two No Mos just couldn't keep their mouths shut when preposterous statements were made by the show's hosts. See the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3orkcY7uU8&t=3551s

07-28
01:51

"You're Taught to Hate Yourself."

Kate and Erika had a wonderful chat with Jonathan Alder, who wrote “Closeted,” about his experiences as a gay student at BYU. Spoiler alert: The experiences were not good. You can find his book here: amazon.com/Closeted-Life-Gay-Student-Memoir-ebook/dp/B0B3JFGRGB

07-25
00:42

Season 2 Ep. 4 Clip 1 - When Self-Loathing Is a "Virtue"

Sam Nieves is gaying away the the pray! While he underwent destructive and traumatic conversion therapy, where he was praised for h@ting himself, he is now healing and thriving and helping others to do the same through the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. You can find more information about his impactful non-profit here: www.conversionsurvivor.org #AnExMoandaNeverMoWalkIntoaBar #TwoNoMos #podcast #ExMo #NeverMo #LGBTQ #Pride #conversiontherpy #conversiontherapysurvivor #gayawaythepray #conversiontherapyiswrong #loveislove #loveyourself #bornthisway #thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #mormon #lds #exlds

07-21
00:35

Season 2 Ep. 5 Clip 2 - "YOU ARE WORTHY."

Chris Davis Proud reads from her book, “Worthy.”  What an honor it was to hear this “ExMo Lesbo’s” story, from trials to triumph. She is using her voice to help others find theirs.  ♥️🧡💛💚💙💜 You can find more information about her and her book here: chrisdavisproud.com.

07-19
01:36

Clip - Two NoMos Visit "The Church of Korihor"!

Kate embraces feminism. Erika, as usual, roars.   We loved being guests on the Podcast, "The Church of Korihor" with Joe Rawlins! We discussed everything from feminism to sex to the brilliant film Heretic. It was a hoot! See the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3orkcY7uU8&t=3551s

07-18
01:45

Clip - Season 2 Ep. 7 - CONFESS!

Mormon bishops demand that you confess every last juicy detail of your "sins." Nothing creepy at all!

07-17
00:56

Season 2, Ep. 7 - Trans-Gression in Mormonism

In this episode, roles are reversed as René takes on the role of cohost and Jaime becomes the guest. Jaime describes the challenges of being a transwoman in predominantly Mormon culture. 

07-16
01:07:10

Season 2 Ep. 5 Clip 1 - "You'll Be Made Straight in the Next Life"

Trigger Warning: Suicidal Ideation Author Chris Davis Proud talks about a dark time in her life when she was a closeted member of the Mormon church. While this story has a happy ending, this phenomenal woman certainly experienced some trials. But ultimately, she triumphed, and is using her voice to help others to feel their WORTH. Learn more about her journey, and check out her uplifting book, "Worthy" here: https://chrisdavisproud.com/.   

07-15
01:16

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