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On Planets, Poetry, and Patent Law with Oliver Strimpel In this episode of And The Next Thing You Know, I talk with the creator and host of the podcast Geology Bites, Oliver Strimpel. If you’re curious about what drives plate tectonics, or about the composition of rocks and the amazing amount of information they contain...
Early childhood educator and photographer Kati Douglas and I talk about her career in the education field and what her first few years in leadership were like. We talk about what it’s like to deal with white supremacy as a biracial Black mom of Black kids with a Black partner. We also talk about how...
Photo credit: Tristan Crane, from their series Here Today, I talk with Dana Morrigan, wonderful human, wry wit, queer nonbinary transfeminine spoken word artist, writer, performer, and epic karaoke host! It’s about her quest for self-knowledge across many parts of her life: in her cultural affiliations, in her work, in her relationships, in her...
Kurt Granzow came into himself as a gay man at the same time that he found conservative Lutheranism in the San Francisco Bay Area in the early 90s. What came next was a decade of communion and pursuit of ministry within the church, all the while denying his own need to express his true sexuality...
Misfortunes Quote-Unquote

Misfortunes Quote-Unquote


When I pitched my guest, Shawn, about coming onto the show, my original idea was just talking to her about her career change from being a lawyer to becoming a psychotherapist. She counter-pitched me a story that I couldn’t resist. She said, and I’m paraphrasing, “Let me tell you about that time I drank from...
*I was oblivious to the pun when I said it in the episode! Today’s episode marks the one-year anniversary of the podcast! I posted the very first episode in September, 2019, way back in the Before Times. I feel really proud of And The Next Thing You Know, and I’m so, so grateful for everyone...
In this episode, I talk to my guest, Cisco, about how being sober isn’t just about not drinking booze. Cisco’s exploration of sobriety is no less than a spiritual quest, and it’s a daily examination of how he can be of better service not just to himself, but to the people in his life. We...
Julia Serano is the author of the nonfiction books Whipping Girl, Excluded and Outspoken. She also just published a work of fiction called 99 Erics: a Kat Cataclysm faux novel. But wait, there’s more! She’s a biologist. She’s an activist. She’s a musician. And as you will be reminded in this conversation, Julia Serano is a “Notable Feminist Theorist.” And I’m...
In this episode:    Me, freaking out in a parking lot. About COVID-19, naturally. Intro, and me reading reflections from other folks.  Voice recordings from even more folks. Outro, links, resources. Summary:  I can’t imagine business as usual right now at a podcast about how our lives can change on a dime. So I reached out...
Nancy Au and I talk about growing up, and growing into ourselves, with dead parents. We also discuss her story How To Become Your Own Odyssey, or The Land of Indigestion.
There’s Blood In My Stool.

There’s Blood In My Stool.


Summary This is my conversation with Jenessa Schwartz. She’s 37 years old, and she’s living with stage 4 colon cancer. She’s also my niece, my sister Cyndi’s daughter. Jenessa has two kids under 10. She was the Womb For Hire (her words) for two adorable surrogate kids, which is one of the menschiest things a...
Nannette Mickle’s work life is a surprising and diverse series of next-things. She’s been a candy and cigarette girl, she’s worked in social services providing housing opportunities for unhoused folks. Back in the 90s, she once understudied as Bobby Brady in a notorious live show directed by Jill Soloway. And these days, she sits bedside...
All At Once, All At Once

All At Once, All At Once


Today I’m talking with my guest, Keith, about a time in his life not so long ago, when shit went totally off the rails. He had a psychotic break and a set of experiences that blew up his marriage, his relationship with his kid, his job. Basically, nothing’s the same for him since that experience....
Paragons of Nothing!

Paragons of Nothing!


Welcome to the first episode of the podcast! I’m really excited to share these stories with you about how our missteps and disappointments and serendipity lead us smack-dab into our life plans. Today, I’m talking with my guest Becca about creative actualization: how our drives for self expression and creativity get derailed whether by internal...
And The Next Thing You Know is a podcast about how our lives go exactly not as we planned them. No matter how hard we cling to our plans for college and career and relationships and creative goals, it’s actually the disruptions in our lives, the wrenches and the tangents, that throw us in a...
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Olga Zilberbourg

Amelia Ray tells a fascinating story about being a musician on cruise ships, and her path as a performer. love it

Oct 5th

Olga Zilberbourg

such a great episode, thank you!

Dec 15th
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Olga Zilberbourg

loved this episode! I've never heard of death doula work before, and I think this sounds fascinating

Dec 6th

Olga Zilberbourg

great episode! what a story!

Oct 19th

Olga Zilberbourg

The first episode of Suzie Sherman's podcast is all about how to live a creative life, honoring parts of your experience that don't necessarily fit into a ladder climbing mentality. I love all of this so much, starting from Suzie's laughter that opens the show.

Sep 16th
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