Another Kind of Mind: A Different Kind of Beatles Podcast

SUMMARY: Phoebe and Daphne’s discussion of a recent BBC interview with Sean Lennon spurs a conversation about Yoko, the Lost Weekend and the ongoing Beatles Empire as inherited, shared and managed by the Beatle children.  This episode is the first of several shorter, fun-sized AKOMs on single topics. SOURCES: Sean Lennon Interview BBC Radio 6 (Dec 3, 2024) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKVFU0ba4gA&feature=mweb_to_native_app_fallback_redirect_11268432&itc_campaign=mweb_to_native_app_fallback_redirect_11268432&redirect_app_store_ios=1&app=desktop Ringo Remembers Christmas 1979: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1ou7SH3is

SUMMARY Phoebe and Daphne share the AKOM playbook of what they would ask if given the opportunity to interview Paul McCartney.  We feel Paul’s responses would be illuminating and for the sake of Beatles history we encourage all media personnel to please STEAL THESE QUESTIONS!   PLAYLIST Find My Way PAUL MCCARTNEY (2020) Do It Now PAUL MCCARTNEY (2018) Queenie Eye PAUL MCCARTNEY (2013) Here Today PAUL MCCARTNEY (1983) Everybody’s Got Something to Hide THE BEATLES (1968) Oh My Love JOHN LENNON (1971) I Saw Her Standing There JOHN LENNON & ELTON JOHN (1975) If I Fell (live in Vancouver) THE BEATLES (1964) God JOHN LENNON (1971) Jealous Guy JOHN LENNON (1971) Real Life JOHN LENNON (1977?) Starting Over JOHN LENNON (1980) Starting Over (demo #1) JOHN LENNON (1980) Don’t Let Me Down THE BEATLES (1969) I’ll Get You (live) THE BEATLES (1963) You Know My Name (Look up the Number) THE BEATLES (1970) Seize the Day PAUL McCARTNEY (2020)

SUMMARY: Dr. Richard Mills joins Phoebe and Daphne for a chit-chat about all things fandom: slash fiction, Beatle novels, murder, conspiracies, tribute bands, horny editors, biopics, Superfan authors and anything else that pops up!  --- https://www.instagram.com/drrichardmills/ Dr Richard Mills is an Associate Professor in English Literature and Popular Culture at St Mary’s University, London. He has been programme director for the Film and Popular Culture, Cultural Studies and Irish Studies degrees. He has published extensively on popular music, Irish literature and culture, film, fashion and British television. Mills is the author of The Beatles and Fandom: Sex, Death and Progressive Nostalgia (Bloomsbury 2019). He is co-editor of Mad Dogs and Englishness (Bloomsbury 2017) and The Beatles and Humour (Bloomsbury 2023). He is author of the forthcoming The Beatles and Black Music: Post-colonial Theory, Musicology and Remix Culture (Bloomsbury 2025). Richard is a regular contributor to BBC4’s Last Word, Sky News, RTE, Portobello Radio and BBC Live. He is also on the editorial board of The Journal of Beatles Studies. FURTHER READING Understanding Fandom by Mark Duffett Dancing in the Streets by Barbara Ehrenreich The Historian and the Beatles by Erin Torkelson Weber A Woman’s History of the Beatles by Christine Feldman Barrett Beatleness: How the Beatles and Their Fans Remade the World By Candy Leonard Shout, John Lennon: The Life and Paul McCartney: A Life by Philip Norman Tune In by Mark Lewisohn Revolution in the Head by Ian McDonald Beatlebone by Kevin Barry The Barracks by John McGahern Memoir by John McGahern Snodgrass and Other Illusions by Ian R. MacLeod Across the Universe: Tales of Alternative Beatles by Michael A. Ventrellla and Randee Dawn The Funkles! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwEuWt_Ow_w

SUMMARY OG Beatles Embed Ivor Davis joins Phoebe and Daphne to discuss the sex, drugs, and mania of 1964 (and beyond!) along with plenty of fascinating Beatle minutiae in this free-wheeling, fun and eclectic conversation.   SOURCE The Beatles and Me on Tour IVOR DAVIS (2014); 60th Anniversary Edition (2024)   PLAYLIST Lonesome Tears in My Eyes THE BEATLES (1963) Ob-la-di-Ob-la-da THE BEATLES (1968)

SUMMARY Phoebe and Daphne answer listener mail! Part 2/2 TOPICS Podcast Recs for Beginners Will Now and Then change convo? Certainly Not One-Sided The Love You Make - Brown and Gaines interview Being Normal About Paul Opinion on Francie Schwartz John quote from AKOM theme Spurred into Marriage Brother Malcolm Comes to Me Julia: John= Genius Maharishi Follow-up PLAYLIST Any Road GEORGE HARRISON This Boy THE BEATLES SOURCES “Listen to what the man said: McCartney and journalistic objectivity – a test case” by Martin Shough https://www.liverpooluniversitypress.co.uk/doi/10.3828/jbs.2024.4 Conversation with Bial December 2, 2023 https://www.the-paulmccartney-project.com/interview/conversation-with-bial/

SUMMARY Phoebe and Daphne answer listener mail! Part 1/2 TOPICS Julian Lennon w/ Bill Maher No Barcelona in Midas Man?! “Two Years is the Usual Time” Sam Mendes Beatles Biopics Starting Over Paul’s Independence Did John Give George Money? May Pang’s Weird Bowie Story Did They F*ck!?! John Never Hit Paul   SOURCES Bill Maher w/ Julian Lennon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzS1XbZR3E Midas Man article:  https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/film/article-brian-epstein-the-midas-man-of-the-beatles-gets-the-biopic-treatment/   PLAYLIST Hi, Hi, Hi WINGS 1972 Intuition JOHN LENNON 1973

SUMMARY: In our final episode of Fine Tuning, we summarize our conclusions, respond to listener feedback, issue corrections, share our hopes and fears for future books and offer our thoughts and predictions on the future of Beatles scholarship. PLAYLIST Everyday BUDDY HOLLY Honey Hush BIG JOE TURNER I Fall to Pieces PATSY CLINE Problems THE EVERLY BROTHERS P.S. I Love You THE BEATLES Whispering Bells THE DELL-VIKINGS Que Sera, Sera DORIS DAY Johnny Angel SHELLEY FABARES Hit the Road, Jack RAY CHARLES Crying ROY ORBISON I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES Serene's Blog: https://therealtamishow.com/author/therealtamishow/ https://www.tumblr.com/mythserene MARK LEWISOHN INTERVIEW LINKS: Interview with Jean Louis-Polard, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ3Cb0c-tnI&t=1s Fabcast podcast, 2017 013 MARK LEWISOHN https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/013-lewisohn/id1108129093?i=1000383307889 Humans in Love podcast, 2018 #1 (Part One) Beatles Authority Mark Lewisohn (YouTube) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1-part-one-beatles-authority-mark-lewisohn-on-travel/id1386766806?i=1000412043887 Fab4Cast podcast, 2019  Talking to Mark Lewisohn: #1 Writing The Beatles' History  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkrFSnGnriQ and #2 Spring 1969  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ-BMzJyGGA&t=17s Nothing Is Real podcast, 2019 The Mark Lewisohn Interview #14 Part One  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nothing-is-real-episode-14-the-mark-lewisohn/id1462587848?i=1000452821367 and  #15 Part Two  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nothing-is-real-episode-15-mark-lewisohn-part-2/id1462587848?i=1000453706171 Interview with Giljs Groenteman, 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuettzOVmhg I Am the EggPod podcast, 2019 The Star-Club tapes  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZy3DfdPjU&t=186s From Me To You podcast, 2020 Mark Lewisohn In Conversation w/ Richard Courtney  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPMlGfXMR_4 Let It Roll podcast, 2020 Mark Lewisohn in Conversation w/Nate Wilcox  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cbEEHXFp8 Let It Be Beatles podcast, 2020 Mark Lewisohn - The Complete 2020 Let It Be Beatles Interview Podcast (YouTube) https://soundcloud.com/user-86154098/mark-lewisohn-the-complete-2020-let-it-be-beatles-interview-podcast?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing Fans on the Run podcast, 2022 Ep 73. Mark Lewisohn  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fans-on-the-run-a-podcast-made-by-for-and-about-beatles-fans/id1522056200?i=1000556606690

SUMMARY Unseen Paul builds on our earlier episodes by sharing even more quotes, stories, and insights about young Paul McCartney, who deserves a nuanced and dynamic portrait in any Beatles biography. We explore some of his more overlooked character traits: his quirks and gifts; his stressors and anxieties; his unusual interests and values. These features reveal him as a fascinatingly dualistic artist and person. SOURCES Paul McCartney: the Definitive Biography by Chris Salewicz (1986) The Beatles by Bob Spitz (2005) “Portrait of Paul” Women Magazine by Mike McCartney (1965) Magical Mystery Tours: My Time with the Beatles by Tony Bramwell (2006) Many Years From Now by Barry Miles (1997) Thank U Very Much by Mike McCartney Paul McCartney on Howard Stern (2021) “A Political Paul” Interview w/ Jonathan Powers for Prospect Magazine (Jan 17, 2009) Paul McCartney interview w/ Hot Press magazine (2002) Maureen Cleave “Intelligent Beatle” “Mockers” Interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e6zHA6eOY&t=116s The Beatles Authorized Biography by Hunter Davies (1968) The Beatles diary: Volume 1 by Barry Miles (2001) BBC Interview “dyslexia”  (October 4, 1997) https://www.effinghamradio.com/2023/06/15/happy-birthday-paul-mccartney-2 Angie McCartney Interview w/ Geoffrey Guiliano (1984) https://www.tumblr.com/pleasantlyinsincere/697307027602571264/angie-and-ruth-mccartney-on-saying-i-love-you-in?source=share Mike McCartney; Beatles Book Monthly Magazine (1992) Paul McCartney for New York Times Magazine (2020) THE LYRICS by Paul McCartney and Paul Muldoon (2021) Icke, Evelyn Hamann und die Beatles: Eine Art Biografie by Hans “Icke” Braun (2019) *ENGLISH TRANSLATION of Braun's book and further anecdotes generously provided to AKOM by @packyourromanticmind on tumblr A Cellar Full of Noise by Brian Epstein (1964) Allan Williams quote from Music Legends The Beatles Special Edition by The Rock Review Music Legends Library (Sept 2, 2019) https://issuu.com/codarecordsltd/docs/music_legends_beatles_special_edition Interview w/ Horst Fascher for Deutschlandfunk Kultur (2006) Astrid Kirchherr Interviewed by Colin Hall for Get Rhythm (August 2001) PLAYLIST Stairway to Paradise SARAH VAUGHAN 4 Pointers 1 TREVOR DUNCAN Fine and Mellow ETTA JONES Welcome to My World JIM REEVES El Paso MARTY ROBBINS You Go To My Head BILLIE HOLIDAY Nature Boy NAT KING COLE Black and White EARL ROBINSON My Bucket’s Got a Hole in it HANK WILLIAMS Spoonful HOWLIN WOLF Since I Don’t Have You THE SKYLINERS Perhaps DORIS DAY Lonesome Town RICKY NELSON Love to Love NINA SIMONE

SUMMARY:  In our 9th episode, we tackle a handful of loose ends from Tune In and pose the question: WTF? Why The Farting? Where's Talented Friend? Washboard To Fender Weird, Those Fruits! Women-Type Fans Whores They F*cked? Wow, That's Fabricated! Which Tune's First? Writing's Too Fancy Whose Teachers Finest? Wimpy Teetotaler Frenemie PLAYLIST: Tutti Frutti LITTLE RICHARD Good Golly Miss Molly LITTLE RICHARD Where D’you Get Your Whiskey BOB CORT’S SKIFFLE GROUP Mama, He Treats Your Daughter Mean RUTH BROWN Mess Around RAY CHARLES Spanish Flea HERB ALPERT Theme from A Summer Place PERCY FAITH Please Mr Postman THE MARVELETTES School Days LOUIS JORDAN Alligator Wine SCREAMIN’ JAY HAWKINS I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES

SYNOPSIS:  In her second appearance on AKOM, May Pang talks with Phoebe about Yoko enlisting Paul’s help during the Lost Weekend, John & Yoko’s Tittenhurst Safe Room, The (not) Malibu Dream House and Primal Therapy. The Lost Weekend: A Love Story is currently available for purchase or streaming on most major platforms. Discover more at www.maypang.com  

SYNOPSIS: No Greater Buddy examines how Tune In handles the naughty behavior of its resident Bad Boy, John Lennon. This is a study of Lewisohn’s coverage of John’s bad behavior (rather than the behavior itself). PLAYLIST Bad Boy LARRY WILLIAMS Let the Good Times Roll LOUIS JORDAN Jim Dandy LAVERN BAKER Handful of Keys FATS WALLER Undecided ELLA FITZGERALD Angel Baby ROSIE & THE ORIGINALS Night Train DAVID ROSE Devil or Angel THE CLOVERS I’ll Be on My Way THE BEATLES SOURCES The Beatles by Hunter Davies (1968) The Other Side of John Lennon By Sandra Shevey (1990) Beatles Anthology (1995) Living in the Material World by Martin Scorcese (2011)

SYNOPSIS: Spanner in the Works shows how Paul is portrayed as uniquely difficult to manage and unjustifiably obstructive, even to the point of sabotaging the band.  We use Tune In’s reporting of the early friction between Paul and Brian Epstein as a case study to illustrate how Tune In guides the reader to distrust and second-guess Paul whenever he comes into conflict with other major players in the Beatles’ story. PLAYLIST Maybe THE CHANTELS Oop Shoop SHIRLEY GUNTER & THE QUEENS Tequila THE CHAMPS I’m Walkin FATS DOMINO Lucille THE BEATLES Devil in His Heart THE DONAYS Baby It’s You THE SHIRELLES Slippin and Slidin LITTLE RICHARD Too Much ELVIS PRESLEY Fast Freight RITCHIE VALENS I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES   SOURCES “Portrait of Paul” Mike McCartney Woman Magazine, 1965 McCartney the Definitive Biography by Chris Salewicz, 1986 John Lennon Interview w/ Jann Wenner for Rolling Stone, May 14, 1970 John Lennon Interview w/ Lisa Robinson for Hit Parader, 1975 John Lennon and Yoko Ono Interview at St Regis Hotel by Peter McCabe and Robert Schonfeld, September 5th, 1971 Lennon Remembers by Jann Wenner for Rolling Stone, 1971 In My Life by Pete Shotten, 1983 Interview w/ Pete Best in Music Legends The Beatles Special Edition by The Rock Review Music Legends Library Sept 2, 2019  

SYNOPSIS: Phoebe talks with Vivek Tiwary, author of “The Fifth Beatle: The Brian Epstein Story,” a graphic novel celebrating its 10th Anniversary with a new edition! https://thefifthbeatle.com/graphic-novel/ https://twitter.com/fifthbeatle https://www.instagram.com/the_fifthbeatle/?hl=en https://www.facebook.com/TheFifthBeatleTV/ PLAYLIST It’s For You CILLA BLACK

SYNOPSIS: In A Prolonged Jealousy, we tackle one of Tune In’s main talking points: that Paul McCartney is a fundamentally jealous person whose obsessive, one-sided jealousy of and over John Lennon was brought to a boil by the presence of Stuart Sutcliffe in the band.  Is Tune In’s unforgiving portrayal of Paul’s jealousy fair? Or is it over the top? We’ll discuss! *This episode was originally posted on Nov 17, 2023 and subsequently re-uploaded on Nov 21, 2023 to add a few minutes of additional information relative to the topic. In the interest of full transparency, we haven’t edited or deleted anything from our original episode, just added the additional info to the discussion around the 1:36:45 mark. PLAYLIST Frenzy SCREAMIN’ JAY HAWKINS Woo-Hoo ROCK*A*TEENS Raunchy BILL JUSTICE What’d I Say RAY CHARLES Lucille LITTLE RICHARD Flamenco Sketches MILES DAVIS Sleepwalk SANTO AND JOHNNY Let it Be Me THE EVERLY BROTHERS Just Walking in the Rain THE PRISONAIRES Go! Go! Go! ROY ORBISON Duck Tail JOE CLAY I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES SOURCES The Beatles by Hunter Davies (1968) The Beatles by Bob Spitz (2005) “The Beatles’ Shadow: Stuart Sutcliffe” by Pauline Sutcliffe (2002) “The Lost Beatle: The Stuart Sutcliffe Story” BBC (2005) John Lennon The Life by Philip Norman (2005) Paul McCartney The Life by Philip Norman (2016) Beatles Book Monthly Magazine (May 1994) Beatles Anthology (1995)

SYNOPSIS: Phoebe Lorde and Allison Bumsted talk with Kenneth Womack about “LIVING THE BEATLES LEGEND: the Mal Evans Story.” We discuss several of the amazing topics raised in this wonderful book; Elvis, cowboys, Allen Klein being horrible, the tougher-to-write moments in the book, interpersonal relationships within the Beatles' circle, and of course the fascinating life of the incomparable Mal Evans.

SUMMARY: Leader Lennon examines Tune In's major thesis, that John Lennon was and is the leader and implicit owner of The Beatles forever.  We take a hard look at Tune In’s obvious affection for hierarchy and dominance and how this pervades its storytelling. We'll discuss the deficiencies of this framework, why it is a problem, and how it distorts the Beatles’ story. PLAYLIST Tiger Man RUFUS THOMAS Lovin’ Machine WYNONIE HARRIS Honey Don’t CARL PERKINS Besame Mucho TRIO LOS PANCHOS Crying, Waiting, Hoping BUDDY HOLLY C’mon Everybody EDDIE COCHRAN Soldier of Love THE BEATLES Rip it Up ELVIS PRESLEY I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES SOURCES The Beatles by Hunter Davies (1968) Pre-Fab by Colin Hanton (2018) The Beatles by Bob Spitz (2005) John by Cynthia Lennon (2005) Alan Williams from Stuart Sutcliffe: The Lost Beatle, BBC (2005) Lennon Remember Interview w/ Jann Wenner (1971)

SYNOPSIS: This episode explores Tune In’s unequal treatment of John Lennon and Paul McCartney's childhoods, with particular attention paid to the disparate coverage of their childhood stressors and the deaths of their mothers, Julia and Mary. We go pretty deep into what we know of John and Paul's boyhoods and how those experiences shaped their personalities and affected their adult behaviors,  Does Tune In do the same? For both? We’ll see! SOURCES Thank You Very Much by Mike McCartney (1981) “Portrait of Paul” by Mike McCartney for Woman Magazine (1965) Howard Stern Interview w/ Paul McCartney (2001) Rolling Stone Magazine w/ Ringo (2015) The Macs Family Album Mike McCartney (1981) Many Years from Now Barry Miles (1997) McCartney: the Definitive Biography Chris Salewicz (1986) The Beatles: the Authorized Biography Hunter Davies (1968) PLAYLIST In the Still of the Night THE FIVE SATINS Boys THE BEATLES Stairway to the Stars ELLA FITZGERALD Five Long Years EDDIE BOYD Love Hurts THE EVERLY BROTHERS Peter and the Wolf (SERGEI PROVOFIEV) NEW YORK STADIUM SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA  Please BING CROSBY I’m Wishing SNOW WHITE Blue Moon ELVIS PRESLEY Are You Lonesome Tonight? ELVIS PRESLEY Crying in the Chapel THE ORIOLES Crying in the Rain THE EVERLY BROTHERS Sorrow PETER PAUL & MARY I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES  

SYNOPSIS: In Creative Whirlwind, we take a look at how Tune In reports and characterizes young Lennon and McCartney as budding artists.   We’ll show that Tune In significantly downplays and shortchanges (and sometimes even ignores) crucial aspects of McCartney's artistic development and identity. On the other hand, Lennon’s creative development is shown from all angles in loving detail and with unbridled admiration. Our discussion will be divided into three major sections: Visual Arts, Literature and Musical Self-Expression. PLAYLIST Sh-Boom THE CHORDS Mona Lisa NAT KING COLE Let’s Have a Party WANDA JACKSON Blueberry Hill FATS DOMINO New Day SUN RA Woo-Hoo THE ROCK-A-TEENS Blues in Orbit DUKE ELLINGTON What is This Thing Called Love DAVE BRUBECK Bloodnock Rock n Roll Call THE GOONS Aint’ Misbehavin’ FATS WALLER Sleepy Lagoon HARRY JAMES Rocket 88 JACKIE BRENSTON Come Go with Me THE DEL VIKINGS Money BARRETT STRONG I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES SOURCES Remember by Mike McCartney (1992) The Beatles by Bob Spitz (2005) Mike McCartney “Portrait of Paul,” Woman Magazine (1965)  Early Liverpool by Mike McCartney (2021) The Guardian “The Long and Winding Ode” by Nicci Gerrard, (Sat 10 Mar 2001) Many Years From Now by Barry Miles (1997) Beatles Book Magazine (“Young Paul”), Issue 27  BBC Interview (October 4, 1997) https://www.effinghamradio.com/2023/06/15/happy-birthday-paul-mccartney-2 Melvyn Bragg Interview, Southbank (1977) Donovan Leitch Interview w/ Rolling Stone (April 30, 2012)

SYNOPSIS: This is a look at Tune In’s most positive descriptions of John and Paul respectively. All examined passages will be from the text, i.e. the author’s own depictions of John and Paul. By comparing how Lewisohn chooses to describe John versus Paul, we will reveal many undeniable discrepancies in word choice, enthusiasm, depth, and tone.  What do these discrepancies mean? We’ll discuss! SOURCES Beatles Anthology (2000) Beatles Authorized Biography by Hunter Davies (1968) John, Paul and Me: Before the Beatles by Len Garry (1997) PLAYLIST Side By Side RAY CHARLES and BETTY CARTER Personality JOHNNY MERCER Deed I Do PEGGY LEE Young at Heart FRANK SINATRA Clarabella THE BEATLES In Spite of All the Danger THE BEATLES Twenty Flight Rock EDDIE COCHRAN Crazy Man Crazy BILL HALEY & THE COMETS Lawdy Miss Clawdy ELVIS PRESLEY They Can’t Take That Away From Me ELLA FITZGERALD & LOUIS ARMSTRONG I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES Visit our website for more: anotherkindofmind.com  

SYNOPSIS: Welcome to Fine Tuning, an Examination of Mark Lewisohn’s Tune In. This episode presents an overview of our 11-part series including its impetus, our objectives and summaries of the upcoming installments. PLAYLIST Johnny B. Goode THE BEATLES Carol THE BEATLES Some Other Guy THE BEATLES Too Much Monkey Business THE BEATLES Thank You Girl THE BEATLES Baby It’s You THE BEATLES I’ll Be On My Way THE BEATLES Lewisohn Quoted from Podcast Fab4cast Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkrFSnGnriQ