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Whether you work in a in a big firm, in a small partnership, or as an independent lawyer, we discuss the topics that will help you to become more successful in business development and gain more independence for your legal career. 


We recognize that you're short on time, all our episodes aim for a 20 minutes limit. So this podcast is designed to be listened to when you're commuting to and from work or going for a walk or doing almost anything except work.


This podcast is hosted by:


Bill Burns, Business Development Executive at Porter Wright Morris & Arthur LLP


Tobi Steinemann, Founder and Strategic Legal Marketing Consultant at HeadStarterz

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Business doesn’t fall out of the sky. And yet many young attorneys start their careers as if it might. In this episode of the 20 Minute Attorney Business Development Podcast, Bill Burns and Tobi Steinemann take a candid look at what really happens when legal talent meets the reality of revenue. Drawing on Tobi’s early experience in a small Basel law firm and Bill’s decades of coaching associates inside a mid-sized U.S. firm, they unpack why business development feels so intimidating at first, and why ignoring it is the fastest way to lose control of your career. You’ll hear: Why “independence” and “control” are what every lawyer needs to aim for How firms can (and should) structure business development from year one to partnership What internal relationship-building actually means and why it’s not optional The simple but powerful habit of inventorying your contacts and tracking outreach and more... This episode is especially relevant for: Young associates trying to balance billable hours, politics, and a personal life Partners who want to grow the pie instead of hoard it Legal marketers and BD professionals building structured development programs If you care about long-term career autonomy, intentional relationship-building, and creating a culture where associates don’t feel like pinballs in a machine, this conversation will give you both practical ideas and a shift in perspective  Because at some point, every lawyer faces the same truth: someone has to go find the next case.
How to Close a Client

How to Close a Client

2026-02-1022:00

Great conversations don’t automatically turn into business. So what actually closes the deal? In this episode of the 20 Minute Attorney Business Development Podcast, Tobias Steinemann and Bill Burns tackle the final – and often most uncomfortable – stage of business development: asking for the work. They dig into what strong closers actually have in common (hint: it’s not extroversion), why curiosity and confidence matter more than charm, and how rushing to a quote can quietly sabotage a deal. The conversation moves through pricing, budgets, proposals, and RFPs, unpacking why competing on price alone is a losing strategy and how undervaluing your work damages relationships before they even begin. Tune in for hard-earned insights on when to say no, how to spot the wrong kind of client early, and three practical ways to ask for the business – without sounding salesy or desperate. From alternative fee arrangements to small, low-risk starter projects, this episode offers a grounded, realistic look at how lawyers can close work while protecting their time, their value, and their sanity. If you’ve ever wondered whether you should push harder, wait longer, or walk away entirely, this episode gives you a clearer framework for deciding what comes next.
How do you figure out what clients really want? Especially when they’re not saying it out loud... In this episode Tobias Steinemann and Bill Burns unpack one of the hardest questions in professional services: understanding client needs. They explore why genuine curiosity beats transactional thinking, how preparation and research can transform first conversations with prospects, and why trust is the real currency of business development. From using LinkedIn as a research and relationship tool, to client listening meetings, lunch-and-learns, and the quiet power of active listening, this conversation is packed with practical insights lawyers can actually use. The episode also looks ahead, asking how changing technology and AI are reshaping client expectations – and why lawyers who position themselves as strategic advisors will thrive, while purely reactive service providers risk being replaced. If you want deeper client relationships, better conversations, and more meaningful work, this episode is a sharp reminder that business development starts long before the ask.
Attorney business development is heavily based on relationships. Many lawyers focus on showcasing their legal expertise instead of properly looking after their relationships. In this episode, Bill and Tobi discuss why relationships are the differentiating factor and what lawyers can actively do to successfully build relationships that will help develop their business.
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