B2B Marketing with Dave Gerhardt

Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, welcomes back Tas Bober, Founder of Delphinium and expert in landing page optimization. Tas recently audited 40 B2B landing pages submitted by members in the community, and in this episode, she and Matt break down her biggest takeaways and share everything marketers should know about B2B landing pages. Matt and Tas cover:Why you should separate homepages from landing pages to maintain data integrity and make sure your messaging is optimized for campaigns.Why website speed, ADA compliance, and accessible design are critical in 2024—and how to address these.Avoiding buzzwords and feature-dumping by telling compelling product stories and focusing on the value customers receive instead of jargon.Timestamps:(00:00) - - Intro To Tas (03:18) - - Landing Page Teardown In The Exit Five Community (07:16) - - Content Is King, Design And Experience Is Queen (11:43) - - ADA Compliance for Websites (15:43) - - How To Optimize Website Speed (18:02) - - Why You Should Use Separate Landing Pages for Targeted Feedback (21:49) - - The Best CTAs For Decision Fatigue (25:30) - - Why Simplified Writing Is Often Better For Engagement (28:30) - - How To Tell A Story About Your Product (31:26) - - Adding A Problem Block To Your Home Page (35:48) - - How to Craft Unique Language to Differentiate Your Brand (39:12) - - Why You Need Testimonials On Your Site (42:51) - - Why You Need FAQs On Your Site (45:57) - - Prioritize Value Before Requesting User Engagement (49:59) - - Niche Services Are A B2B Differentiation Strategy (53:02) - - Simplifying Demos (56:51) - - Tools For Optimizing Landing Pages (58:58) - - Closing Remarks Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave sits down with Kira Federer, VP of SMB Marketing at Paramount Advertising, and formerly at companies like Reddit and Glassdoor. Kira shares her journey from sales to product marketing and the lessons she’s learned along the way.Dave and Kira discuss:How to align marketing and sales through co-creation to ensure your sales team uses the content you createThe value of a strong messaging framework and how it drives consistency in B2B marketingWhy you need to time your product launches and ensure that marketing resonates with both your team and the market at the right momentTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Kira (06:31) - - Kira’s Career Journey From Sales Enablement to Product Marketing (09:45) - - Challenges of Building Community / Getting Connected with Exit Five (16:01) - - How To Get Sales To Use Content from Marketing (18:36) - - How to Align Marketing and Sales Teams (24:42) - - Effective Messaging and Having a Core Company Narrative (29:50) - - Why You Should Identify What Differentiates Your Business (33:33) - - How To Create Strong Brand Positioning (36:18) - - Why You Need To Have A Clear Vision And Strong Point of View in Marketing (38:02) - - “The Risk Of Insult Is The Price Of Clarity” Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Madhav Bhandari, Head of Marketing at Storylane, a tool that helps companies build interactive product demos. Madhav shares the strategies that helped Storylane scale its website traffic from 25,000 to over 220,000 monthly visitors in just six months, using unique approaches to SEO and demand gen.Dave and Madhav discuss:Leveraging Demo-Led SEO for 10X website traffic growthHow targeting related product categories allowed Storylane to capture new audiences while building trust in their core marketHow AI is transforming workflows, enabling faster campaign execution, improving content creation, and driving innovation in marketing strategyTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Madhav (06:41) - - Building Brand Loyalty Through Content and Relationships (08:01) - - Building Brand Reputation in a Saturated Market (14:08) - - How To Strategize SEO By Capturing Existing Traffic (16:25) - - Why Interactive Demos Are So Important (21:00) - - How Madhav Executed Storylane’s Demo Page Project (26:28) - - Demo-Led SEO’s Impact on Brand Search and Signups (28:16) - - Why You Should Prioritize Website Articles Over Traditional Blogs (31:21) - - How To Create A Compelling Offer (36:39) - - Revenue Attribution (39:45) - - Storylane’s Ad Truck For Brand Awareness and Searches (44:38) - - Rethinking Email Marketing (48:10) - - Hiring a Dedicated Writer for Impactful Newsletters (48:54) - - Leveraging Engaged Audiences Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave sits down with Mychelle Mollot, CMO at Knak, a platform for creating, designing, and optimizing email and landing page content. Mychelle shares her wealth of experience, having led marketing efforts at IBM and various startups. She discusses her approach to leading marketing teams, scaling brands, and embracing AI in B2B marketing.Dave and Mychelle cover:How Knak built a brand and captured demand in a space without a known categoryThe balance between meeting short-term goals and dedicating some marketing budget to high-risk, high-reward experimentsHow AI is evolving from a standalone tool to being embedded in the core functionalities of marketing platformsTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Mychelle (06:08) - - Embracing Diverse Career Paths to Become a CMO (10:52) - - Leveraging Big Company Skills in Startups (11:43) - - Influencing Resources Without Ownership in Large Organizations (16:05) - - Weekly Team Meeting Tips (19:06) - - Mychelle’s OKR Framework (23:52) - - How Knak Creates and Captures Demand (25:24) - - How To Understand and Target Buyers (29:50) - - Having AI Discussions With Your Team (33:24) - - AI is Shifting from Core Component to Creative Assistant (34:46) - - Integrating AI into Core Tools (40:28) - - Sales and Marketing Alignment (43:50) - - Navigating Relationships as a CMO Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Danielle Messler, Head of Content at Exit Five, joins to talk about our first-ever virtual event: The Ultimate Roast of B2B Websites. It's a one day virtual event designed to help make your website better – with live teardowns of real examples submitted by B2B marketers just like you.She covers:What you'll learn if you attend The Ultimate RoastOur expert lineup of panelists who will dig into each essential section of a B2B websiteHow you can win prizes worth up to $80k in valueSign up for The Ultimate Roast here Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Will Hoekenga, seasoned copywriter and messaging consultant for B2B SaaS brands and founder of Six Words Studio. Will shares his expertise on crafting copy for high-value web pages, like homepages and product pages, that drive conversions and speak directly to customer’s needs.Dave and Will cover:The importance of clear positioning and how it can make or break the effectiveness of your web copy.Why collaboration between design and copywriting is critical for creating a customer-driven page structure that leads to conversions.How to write web copy that differentiates your brand from competitors using unique, customer-centric language, moving beyond generic industry buzzwords.Timestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Will (06:12) - - Why Having A Dedicated Copywriter Is Not A More Common Hire (10:01) - - How to Write Web Copy That Makes Your Brand Stand Out Among Competitors (14:44) - - Simplifying Product Positioning with the CUB Framework (Confusing, Unbelievable, Boring) (19:44) - Recognizing Your Product’s Differentiation (24:04) - - How To Enhance Positioning and Structure with Voice and Tone (25:03) - - 37signals' Example and Inspiration (31:31) - - How to Collaborate on Design With Your Team (33:34) - - Why You Should Optimize Copy with Social Proof (38:43) - - How To Ask Customers Deep Product Questions (43:29) - - How To Highlight Non-Negotiable Features When Outlining Product Benefits (48:59) - - Content Structuring (50:51) - - Embracing Imperfection in Writing (53:31) - - Tips For Getting Inspired Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Bruno Estrella, Head of Growth Marketing at Clay, a tool for data enrichment and sales automation. Bruno shares his experience from Webflow to Clay, where he’s leading a mix of product-led and sales-led growth strategies for B2B companies.Dave and Bruno discuss:Building a creator-led marketing program that encourages user-generated content and community involvementAligning marketing with product-led growth for self-serve modelsStanding out in a crowded market by focusing on unique brand positioning and flexible use cases for outbound and inboundTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Bruno (08:04) - - Tailoring Growth Marketing Strategies (10:05) - - Freelancer-Generated Content (12:51) - - Launching a Creators Program (17:38) - - Collaborative Product Integration (18:27) - - Quality Over Quantity in Influencer Marketing (22:43) - - SEO Tools Development with Clay and Webflow (27:37) - - How to Craft a Distinctly Unique Brand (28:14) - Customizing Outbound Strategies (31:33) - - Having a Strong Company Vision (35:50) - - In-House SEO vs External Agency Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Kevin White, Head of Marketing at Common Room, a leading customer intelligence platform for go-to-market teams. Kevin shares insights from his experience helping teams capture and act on digital breadcrumbs to optimize their marketing and sales efforts.Dave and Kevin cover:How to be a good marketer even when you're not the Subject Matter ExpertSignal-based marketing and how it is transforming the buyer’s journey by focusing on the right actions instead of just clicksB2B influencer marketing plays that workTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Kevin (06:46) - - How to Be Good At Marketing When You're Not a Subject Matter Expert (09:24) - - Why You Should Stay Close to Your Customer (16:43) - - How to Manage a Marketing Team with Limited Resources (19:02) - - Eliminating Ineffective Marketing Efforts to Drive Real Results (24:00) - - Signups and Demos Boost From LinkedIn (25:06) - - How to Attribute ROI in Multi-Platform Marketing (29:16) - - Creating Authentic and Valuable Content (33:55) - - Generating Pipeline with Economic Buyer Signals (35:36) - - Increasing Digital Touchpoints (39:34) - - How To Maximize Actionability, Volume, and Conversion Rate (41:20) - - LinkedIn Measurement Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this Exit Five Live session, Dave is joined by Natalie Marcotullio, Head of Growth at Navattic, a leading interactive demo platform for B2B marketing. Natalie is an expert in optimizing the B2B buyer journey with innovative demo solutions and data-driven strategies.Dave and Natalie cover:Why accessible, usable, and transparent websites is important in improving the buyer experienceHow to incorporate interactive demos to accelerate the sales cycle and increase conversion ratesPublic pricing and how it affects buyer trust and decision-making in B2B salesTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Natalie (06:49) - - Why Marketing Requires Full Company Alignment (11:16) - - Why You Should Have a Transparent Pricing Page (13:43) - - Improving Sales Automation, Pricing Pages, and Interactive Demos (16:30) - - How To Secure Buy-In (18:45) - - Why Sales Responds Well to Demo-ing Benefits (20:03) - - Commsor Teardown (25:43) - - Andimol Teardown (31:30) - - Directus Teardown (36:09) - - Firstbase Teardown (39:27) - - TeraLeap Teardown (42:30) - - Q&A Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five sits to talk about our New Marketing Leadership Accelerator Program - an 8 week live program to help you advance your skills and grow your career as a B2B marketing leader.He coversWhy structured learning tracks are a good bet for Exit FiveWhat's included in the program and why you should joinWho will benefit from the acceleratorHow much it costs and where to sign upJoin The Accelerator Here Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Ari Yablok, Head of Brand at Island, to share his approach to creating a brand in the cybersecurity space. Ari shares his journey from agency life to leading the brand narrative at Island, where he helped build the concept of the "enterprise browser."Dave and Ari Cover:The key differences between category creation and strategic positioning, and why it matters for B2B marketersThe steps to building a brand story that resonates with both your internal team and your target audienceHow focusing on the last 20% of branding efforts can elevate your company above the competitionTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Ari (05:01) - - Rapidly Growing Enterprise Browser Company Secures $375M in Series D Funding (09:10) - - SEO Strategy vs Branding (14:37) - - How Brand is an Art and a Science (19:52) - - Challenges in Cybersecurity Branding (21:36) - - Early Stage Marketing (28:31) - - Cognitive Behavioral Branding (33:40) - - How Ari Manages Projects with the Brand Team (35:50) - - Comfortable vs. Uncomfortable Approaches to Brand Strategy (40:08) - - What Founders Really Want to Do (45:14) - - Balancing the Day-to-Day with Visionary Goals Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This week, we're sharing a recording from an Exit Five Live Session with Natalie Marcotullio, Head of Growth and Operations at Navattic. She has a background in SEO and digital marketing for B2B sales and marketing SaaS. Over the years, her focus has shifted to full-funnel marketing, GTM strategy, and improving the digital buyer experience.In this episode, we coverWhy buyers are switching to a more "self-service" model of buyingHow interactive demos stack up against traditional marketing education like videos or adsTips to create a product story with your interactive demo that gets you a 30% CTRThe most common questions marketers have about interactive demosTimestamps(00:00) - - Introduction (11:03) - - Statistics on Product Demos (15:06) - - Gating vs. not gating product demos (17:25) - - Emails and personalized follow-ups post-demo (18:21) - - Where to place the interactive demo on the website (25:56) - - Interactive demos with complex products (30:57) - - How to budget for interactive product demos (33:49) - - Implementing interactive product demos in LinkedIn ads (35:27) - - Platform recommendations for interactive product demos (39:21) - - Use of interactive demos in the sales cycle (40:57) - - Tracking activity and attribution in interactive demos (42:36) - - Personalized demos for each prospect (45:35) - - Post interactive demo conversion best practice (50:17) - - Closing thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Ruth Zive, CMO at LivePerson, who shares her journey in marketing leadership across tech and nonprofits. Ruth talks about aligning marketing and sales teams and navigating enterprise marketing.Ruth and Dave cover:How to align marketing and sales teams by focusing on shared goals and accountability for pipeline outcomesThe best-performing marketing channels for driving enterprise pipeline — including SEO, email, and eventsInbound and outbound strategies in enterprise sales and how they work together to build a successful pipelineTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Ruth (06:27) - - Work-Life Balance as a CMO (20:41) - - How to Balance Cost, Volume, and Conversion Rates in Channel Optimization (23:18) - - Optimizing Enterprise Sales (27:12) - - Why You Need to Align Sales and Marketing Leadership (30:19) - - Budgeting and Measuring Brand Initiatives (33:11) - - How to Plan for Future Revenue (36:39) - - Quarterly and Monthly Marketing Strategy Execution (38:45) - - Creating Weekly Leadership Priorities and a Problem-Solving Document (44:02) - - How To Make a Good Hire Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Jared Fuller, Partner and COO of OpenEd.co. Jared talks about his career journey and building businesses in B2B, and shares his expertise in partnerships and the role they play in B2B growth.Jared and Dave cover:How to integrate partner voices into your marketing strategy to create lasting influence and trustShifting from traditional co-marketing to "Nearbound" marketing, leveraging relationships for omnichannel impactUsing partnerships as a growth lever across departments, not just sales and marketingTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Jared (07:49) - - Jared’s Career Journey in B2B (08:32) - - Building a Multi-Million Dollar Business in Less Than a Year (14:09) - - Omnichannel Distribution and Virtual Events (15:52) - - The Story of Selling PartnerHacker (21:06) - - Book Recommendation: The Sumo Advantage (24:39) - - Why You Need to Grow Business Partnerships (27:04) - - The Three Types of Entrepreneurs (31:07) - - SaaS-Native vs Traditional Partner Models (31:54) - - The Role of Ecosystem Officer in Marketing (37:41) - - Why VC Firms Are Embracing Partner-Led Growth Strategies (41:50) - - How To Maximize Reach Through Podcasts, Multimedia, and Partnerships Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Shane Murphy, CMO of Webflow, where he is scaling one of the most innovative companies in web technology. Shane shares his insights on integrating growth strategies across self-serve and enterprise funnels, building a powerful brand, and targeting diverse personas.Shane and Dave cover:How Webflow combined its self-serve and enterprise growth teams to streamline acquisitionTargeting broad personas and aligning messaging to meet unique needsBrand building in B2B marketing and leveraging creative campaigns for long-term growthTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Shane (07:18) - - The Three Pillars of Webflow’s Marketing Strategy (10:50) - - How to Sell to Multiple Personas (11:51) - - How to Position Your Solution on Your Website (17:44) - - Combining Brand and Product Marketing Strategies (20:43) - - The Art of Pricing and Packaging (22:58) - - Why You Should Clarify Decision-Making Roles (27:09) - - Managing Yearly Initiatives and High-Level Work Priorities (28:37) - - Implementing Monthly and Weekly Project Check-Ins (32:01) - - Building Trust (35:25) - - Dedicating Yourself Personal Development Time (42:33) - - Finding Your Career Fit Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Chelsea Castle, Head of Content and Brand at Close. Chelsea talks about her experience in B2B SaaS and shares how to build impactful content that resonates with your audience.Chelsea and Dave cover:How leveraging internal and cross-functional knowledge can create a content goldmineWhy it is important to repurpose podcast episodes, webinars, and other media into multiple forms of content to maximize their valueStrategies for integrating SEO with authentic, valuable content that resonates with your audience, beyond just ranking for keywordsTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Chelsea (06:37) - - LinkedIn for B2B (13:41) - - Chelsea’s Experience at Chili Piper (17:46) - - Improving Content for Podcasts (21:02) - - How to Maximize Search Impact (21:51) - - Driving Website Traffic Through Brand Content Strategy (28:03) - - Merging Brand and Keyword-Driven Content (30:48) - - Aligning Brand and Content Strategy with Your Goals (32:55) - - New Content Channels for B2B (36:59) - - How to Measure Content Engagement (40:35) - - Skyscraper SEO Content Strategy (41:44) - - How to Grow Using Gated Content (48:43) - - How to Craft a Brand Strategy Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Tommy Clark, founder of his own B2B social media agency, Compound, to talk about the ins and outs of social media strategy for B2B companies. Tommy shares his journey from running social for a SaaS company to building his agency and the lessons he’s learned along the way.Tommy and Dave cover:Why LinkedIn is the go-to platform for B2B brands and how to maximize its potentialThe importance of posting consistently to build a strong social presenceHow using video content on LinkedIn can accelerate trust-building with your audienceTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Tommy (07:42) - - Why You Should Focus on One Core Social Channel (09:55) - - LinkedIn Success Using Just Text (12:05) - - How to Get More Audience Data through Posting Frequently (15:10) - - The Best Niche Content for Target Audience Engagement (19:07) - - Why Honesty is Important in Building an Audience and Network (24:16) - - Podcast ROI Beyond Sales and Downloads (24:59) - - Balancing Evergreen and Timely Content (29:20) - - Challenges and Trade-offs of Scheduled Social Media Posts (31:54) - - How to Focus on Client Success (35:59) - - How to Grow Followers and Relevance on LinkedIn (38:51) - - How to Maximize Direct Response Marketing with Gary Vee's Strategy (43:23) - - How to Create Video Content for LinkedIn (47:05) - - Why Diverse Perspectives are Important in Business (48:02) - - How to Use Social Media for Business Growth Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Jen Allen-Knuth, founder of DemandJen. Jen shares her insights from her 15+ years in B2B Sales, from managing a quota to building great working relationships with marketing.Jen and Dave cover:Co-creating content with Marketing and Sales that drives better customer engagement and grows your pipelineHow Jen successfully built her audience using video on LinkedIn and leveraged it to start DemandJenHow companies should focus on genuine diversity efforts rather than superficial inclusivityTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Jen (06:28) - - Why You Should Have a Mentor and How To Get One (08:18) - - Sales Experiences and Becoming a Chief Evangelist (11:49) - - Making the Lead from Side Hustle to Full Time (16:16) - - Why Your Career Experiences Should Be Diverse (19:40) - - The Shallow Impact of Diversity Panels (22:26) - - How Jen Built Her Personal Brand (25:47) - - Creating Unscripted Content that’s Still Clear (29:19) - - Being Authentic in Marketing (34:14) - - Don’t Use Templates for Customer Conversations (40:36) - - Strong Relationships Between Product Marketing and Sales (41:23) - - Being Customer-Centric (46:45) - - Why You Need to be a Good Storyteller (48:34) - - Challenges of Data Analysis Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Danielle (Head of Content at ExitFive) to share a behind the scenes look at the content strategy driving ExitFive.Dave and Danielle cover:How to hire a “Head of Content” and what mistakes to avoidBehind the scenes of how ExitFive repurposes content (like this podcast!)The fun challenges of going from a solopreneur to team of fiveTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Danielle (05:58) - - Why we hired a Head of Content at ExitFive (09:08) - - How we write our newsletter (12:30) - - Content repurposing at ExitFive (17:41) - - Why you should repeat yourself as a marketer (22:38) - - How to create a culture where everyone can do their best work (25:35) - - Why your team needs a vision to work towards (30:28) - - Balancing Structure and Flexibility Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Jenn Herman, an expert in Instagram marketing, who shares the untapped potential of Instagram for B2B marketers. With over a decade of experience, Jenn has become a go-to resource for brands looking to leverage Instagram's vast user base to build brand awareness and foster long-term customer relationships.Jenn and Dave cover:Why Instagram is a goldmine for B2B marketers and how to capitalize on its 2 billion monthly active usersHow to create educational content for Instagram to build trustWhy you need to tailor your content for Instagram and your audience specificallyTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Jenn (06:13) - - Setting Goals for B2B Brands for Instagram (09:50) - - Adapting Content Strategy for Instagram (11:44) - - Focusing on Quality Over Quantity (14:50) - - Using Educational Content to Build Your Brand (19:42) - - TikTok Experts vs Short Form Video Experts (22:48) - - TikTok, Instagram, and Content Unique to Platforms (25:46) - - How to Use Instagram Carousels (29:12) - - How to Use Instagram Highlights (31:43) - - Strategies to Find Underpriced Attention (34:01) - - Aligning Brand Image with Social Media Presence (38:00) - - Understanding Reach Metrics (40:39) - - Revisiting and Optimizing LinkedIn and Instagram Strategies Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Calendly. You’ve probably heard of Calendly. And you probably have used it to schedule meetings with people outside your company.But did you know you can also use Calendly on your website to increase conversion and create a better hand off experience with sales? Speed to lead is everything and that’s why B2B marketing teams today use Calendly to convert leads the moment they’re ready to talk to sales. Instead of doing the whole follow-up late dance, you can book meetings right within the forms on your website. And Calendly has the routing and integrations you need to make sure your prospects get booked with the right sales rep.Smith.ai increased their website bookings by 26% using Calendly. And Katalon, the all-in-one test automation platform, was able to increase their conversion rate 3X using Calendly.Join over 20 million users who count on Calendly to simplify meetings, save time and drive revenue revenue by removing the friction from your website. Visit calendly.com/exitfive to get started with a 14-day free trial.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more