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BAD PEOPLE

-With good Stories-

(Bad people are people, too)

Are we inherently good, inherently bad, or a mixture of both? What happens when our commitment to good leads us into really dark territory? Is it possible to own our failures and missteps without falling into traps of shame, blame, or self-sabotage? What happens when we lose things like a community, a family, or a belief system? What happens when we’re finally honest with ourselves, about ourselves (and others)?

In this series of deeply candid conversations, Christa and Micah attempt to excavate the terrain of their lives with vulnerability and curiosity, mining it for personal stories of hurt, failure, disconnection, despair, realization, and growth. By talking openly about the things we tend to wrestle through alone - which in turn can cause isolation and mental harm - we believe that bringing these experiences and emotions to light and into relationship is one way we can access the strength to move on, and ultimately, heal.

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LET'S CHAT: NARCISSISTS.

LET'S CHAT: NARCISSISTS.

2026-07-3001:24:28

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S3 EP 3 : LET'S CHAT: NARCISSISTS.What if the perception that we can just “love people into healing or wholeness” doesn’t always apply? What if for some people, recognising their own destructive or challenging behaviour isn’t really a priority? In this episode, Christa opens up a conversation around Narcissism, drawing on the work of Dr. Ramani Durvasula. We discuss narcissistic personality disorder, the four types of narcissism and more. If our conversation sparks curiosity for you, listed below are some resources and educational materials we have found informative and helpful. As always, reach out to us if you have any thoughts or feedback about this episode!Books referenced:It’s Not You - Identifying and Healing from NARCISSISTIC People / Ramani Durvasula, PhDWhen Narcissism Comes To Church / Chuck DegroatPodcast episodes referenced:WTF is on my mind?! - Mark Vicente / Episode released September 21, 2025 - “Are Narcissists Born or Made? W/ Dr. Peter Salerno”A Little Bit Culty - Sarah Edmonson and Anthony Ames / Episode released March 11, 2024 - “It’s Not You - Dr Ramani on Post-Narc Healing”A Little Bit Culty - Sarah Edmonson and Anthony Ames / Episode released June 7, 2026 - “Where Are They Now? Mark Vicente on The Narcissist’s Playbook”Armchair Expert - Dax Shepard / Episode released May 23, 2024 - "Ramani Durvasula (on narcissism)"Film:The Narcissist’s PlaybookDirector: Mark Vicente Release Date: July 24-26, 2026Helpful websites:https://www.narcissisticabuserehab.comhttps://studio.youtube.com/video/TJ-KLO4eNIw/edit
LET'S CHAT: CULTS.

LET'S CHAT: CULTS.

2026-07-1601:24:42

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S3 EP 2 : LET'S CHAT: CULTSIn this episode we discuss: what are cults? Who is susceptible to joining one? What are some signals of cultish behaviour? How do culty groups typically operate? There are no black and white answers to these questions, but according to our research, there are definitely patterns and “red flags” that can be identified when it comes to coercive and controlling behaviour— such as thought control, shaming, building an “us and them” view of the world, omitting necessary information etc. Christa and Micah discuss some of these things in the context of Church systems, religion and everyday relationships. Information quoted at the beginning of the episode comes from the book Cultish - The Language of Fanaticism by Amanda Montell (a linguist, author and podcaster). They also chat through some key points of Steven Hassan’s BITE model of authoritarian control. Hopefully you find this conversation helpful/insightful, and as always— DM us if you would like to contribute to the conversation!Below is a list of resources I’ve found insightful as I (Micah) have sought to explore the topic of cults/spiritual abuse in greater depth:Web:Freedom of Mind Resource Center - Dr Stephen Hassan https://freedomofmind.com/Books:Cultish, The Language of Fanaticism - Amanda MontellInspired - Rachel Held EvansUnfollow - Megan Phelps-RoperWhen Religion Hurts You - Dr. Laura AndersonA Well Trained Wife - Tia LevingsEducated - Tara WestoverHoly Hurt - Hillary L. McBridePodcasts:Sounds like A Cult - Host: Amanda MontellA Little Bit Culty - Hosts: Sarah Edmonson and Anthony AmesThe Turning, Seasons 1&3 - Host: Erika LantzThe Rise and Fall of Mars Hill - Host: Mike Cosper / Christianity TodayHoly Hurt - Host: Hillary McBrideHeaven Bent - Host: Tara Jean StevensThe Liturgists - Host: Michael Gungor and friendsThe Bible For Normal People - Host: Jared Byas and Peter EnnsDocumentaries:Shiny, Happy People / A Teenage Holy War (Seasons 1 & 2)Hillsong: A Megachurch ExposedSecrets of HillsongKeep Sweet, Pray & ObeyTrust Me: The False ProphetDancing for the DevilThe Cult of Nature BoyEscaping Twin FlamesThe Ruby Franke StoryDisciples - The Cult of TB Joshua
CORDIALLY INVITED...

CORDIALLY INVITED...

2026-07-0227:11

BAD PEOPLE CORDIALLY INVITE YOU TO SEASON THREE...Our warmest welcome back as we return for our newest release... OR – if you’re joining us for the first time, we’re so glad you’re here. In this episode we discuss intentions for third season and why we’ve decided to keep talking, exploring, and making space for “bad” conversations… We chat about feminist approaches to research and discuss questions such as “what counts as knowledge?” and “what are the power dynamics at play when it comes to sharing/gaining knowledge?” We hope you enjoy the greyscale and as always... let's do some GOOD while acknowledging the BAD.
BE BRAVE

BE BRAVE

2026-04-3052:36

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 9 : BE BRAVE In the final episode of season 2, Christa and Micah recap on the conversations they’ve had with podcast guests, and recall some of their favourite insights and takeaways from each conversation. They also discuss the new chapters in their personal life and the career changes that are taking place as well as where the podcast is headed for season three.
JUST RACE

JUST RACE

2026-02-1901:13:47

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 8 : JUST RACEIn our episode this week, we talk with Hannah about themes of race, identity and advocacy. Hannah is a Korean-Canadian educator and marathon runner, and in this conversation she shares some pivotal experiences from her youth which led into deeper exploration of her own identity, and subsequently heightened her awareness around racial injustice and discrimination. The subject of racism/anti-racism can be an uncomfortable one to broach for various different reasons. So with this conversation we wanted to provide an entry point to the discourse for both ourselves and our listeners. If you’re curious about learning more, the books/resources mentioned in this episode are listed below!The Four Pivots by Shawn A. Ginwright - Reimagining Justice. Reimagining ourselvesThe Wake Up by Michelle Mijung Kim - Closing the gap between good intentions and real changeWhite Women by Regina Jackson - Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and How to Do BetterHoly HurtPodcast, Episode 8, Unsettling Ourselves by Dr Hillary McBride
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