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Author: Steve Brazill

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On each episode of Behind the Shot, Steve Brazill tries to get inside the mind of a great photographer by taking a closer look behind one of their shots. Photography is an art form, yet interviews rarely look at the creative side. What if you could flip that idea upside down? What if you could interview a photograph to better understand the photographer and the choices they made? On Behind the Shot we explore the process, from conception to completion, and all the challenges that happen in-between. Join us for an inspirational look Behind the Shot.
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I’m a Canon shooter… I shoot an R6 and an R5. So, I have been curious about the new Canon R1, and a little less so about the R5 Mark II. Still, I had written off watching the announcement, because it was at something like 3am my time… but, I happened to be up anyway so I watched it, and I ended up with some serious opinions on both the new gear and the presentation itself. There’s no question these cameras are in demand, even though the R5 Mark II retails for $4,300 and the R1 for a whopping $6,300. The R5 Mark II is already backordered to early Sept, and B&H says the Release Date for the R1 is estimated as Nov 26th. Very few people have had the chance to try out the R5 Mark II and R1, and those that have didn't get much time with them. A few photographers were given pre-release bodies to use at the Olympics, and luckily for us one of them is a friend of the show. I knew Jeff was going to be using the R5 Mark II and R1 at the Paris Olympics, it was semi-public knowledge, so before he left I asked if he would come back on the show to give us his thoughts. He agreed to do a recap, and so today we will dive into his experiences under the real world pressure of photographing the Olympics for Team USA. Jeff has been on the show a few times before. First for the episode Capture the Action, and then to talk about his experiences at the Tokyo Olympics for the show on Real World Use of the Canon R3. On the chance that you didn't see either of those shows, let me introduce you to my friend Jeff Cable... Photographing the Olympics has got to be the pinnacle of a sports photographer's career, and for Jeff Cable it's one he's reached many times, having now photographed the last 8 Olympics for Team USA. I am always amazed by how many photographers either come from, or are in some way involved with, the tech industry. For more than 25 years, Jeff was a marketing executive at companies like Symantec, Magellan, and Micron, but while traveling the world for his corporate job, his interest and passion for photography grew quickly. He left the corporate world in 2016 to dedicate himself full-time to his photography. Since then, Jeff has earned respect around the globe for his creative images, and for sharing his love of photography with others. He's best known for capturing photos for the US Olympic Committee, photographing the last eight Olympic games, in Beijing, Vancouver, London, Sochi, Rio de Janeiro, PyeongChang, Tokyo, and Paris. As an educator, Jeff also leads photo tours where he teaches photo enthusiasts and professionals around the world. He has taught in Africa, Australia, China, Europe, Central and South America, and across the United States, and has upcoming tours, through 2024 and 2025, to San Francisco, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam, Tanzania (African Safari), Japan, Botswana, and Alaska. Join me in welcoming Sports and Event Photographer Jeff Cable back to the show, as we talk about his real world experience at this year's Paris Olympics with a pre-production Canon EOS R1 and pre-production R5 Mark II, on this episode of Behind the Shot. CORRECTION: Thanks to Mike in the YouTube comments for pointing out that I was incorrect when I referred to the R5 II as having cross-type AF. The R1 does, but the R5 II does not. Sorry about the mistake. How Did the Canon R1, Canon R5 MKII and new lenses REALLY do at the Olympics? Jeff's Real World Review of the Canon R1 & R5 Mark II: blog.jeffcable.com Connect with Jeff Website: jeffcable.com Blog: blog.jeffcable.com Instagram: @jeffcablephotography Facebook: @jeffcablephoto X / Twitter: @jcable12 YouTube: @jcable1234 Jeff's Photographer Picks Chris McLennan: chrismclennanphotography.com | @chris_mclennan1 Ian MacNicol: ianmacnicol.com | @ian_macnicol
I have always been fascinated with the education side of photography. I don't have a formal photography education myself, and I am very aware of what skill sets I wish I had been exposed to earlier in my photo journey. I have been around a lot of the continuing education side of photography, like KelbyOne, or various workshops that a lot of the top photographers do, and in fact teach workshops myself, but I do appreciate what many of the more traditional photography programs provide for the next generation of photographers. A few years ago I even teamed up with Red River Paper to spotlight some students from the schools they supported with the EDU programs. All of this is to say, I think some of the absolute best creatives shooting today are a great representation of where this craft I love is headed. A case in point is Cal Baptist University, in my hometown of Riverside, CA. The photography program there is run by Christopher Kern, and he has put together such an amazing program. I have been there a few times, usually to see my buddy, and past guest, Ian Spanier do his guest workshop, but also to visit with Christopher and see what they are doing at CBU. This program has even helped another past guest, Art Streamer, with interns for some of his shoots. A few weeks ago I saw an Instagram post from CBU, and had me thinking.... what are some of the current students in this wonderful program shooting these days? I asked Christopher for a recommendation of a student he thought might make a good guest on the show, and he suggested Josiah Grant. Josiah is the perfect example of what I was talking about up above. An amazing photographer that just sees things differently than most anyone I know. Looking through his portfolio you are struck by his use of depth, and I don't only mean only depth-of-field. Josiah uses light and shadow, softness and sharpness, foreground and background, subtle or bold, to define what he wants you to see. His understanding of directing the viewers eye seems to be much more experienced than his still being in college would imply. I am so excited to learn from the student today, and the image we will be discussing has won a few awards! From over 7,000 entries, a Jury selected just 317 images, including Josiah's, to appear in the “2024 American Photography 40”, a book representing the best pictures from 2023. It also won an Award of Excellence in the one of the most prestigious competitions for creativity in photography, the "2024 Communication Arts Photography Annual 65". Join photographer Josiah Grant and me as we dive into how he creates such amazing and creative portraits, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Josiah Websites: josiahvisuals.com Instagram: @josiahvisuals YouTube: YouTube.com Josiah's Photographer Picks Miguel Esparza: miguelesparzaphoto.com | @miguelesparzaphoto Nico Carrillo: nicocarrillo.com | @nicocarrillophoto Austin Elliott: austinelliottphoto.com | @austinelliottphoto
This is a show I have been thinking about doing for a while, and that I believe is an important subject for both new and veteran music photographers…. BUT even if you’re not a music photographer, this subject should matter to you. I think it applies to anyone negotiating prices. I have strong opinions on what the ASMP has referred to as "Predatory" Releases, and there's no question that I have an opinion on the message I want to get out on this episode, but, it is my show, so I get to do that. If you're not a Music Photographer, and have never heard of photo releases - note that these are NOT model releases - then don't worry. I explain what they are, and why they exist, in the show. Then I am joined by two other music photographers... My buddy David Bergman is a Canon Explorer of light, and hosts the show Ask David Bergman on Adorama TV. There are few people I know of that know more about photography than David, from his days shooting for the famed Miami Herald newspaper, to having 13 Sports Illustrated covers, David is a big deal. He has been Luke Combs' full-time tour photographer since January 2019, and Bon Jovi's tour photographer since 2010. So glad that we get to benefit from his years of experience in media and music photography for this show. Oh yeah... David's workshops, like Shoot From the Pit and his upcoming Italy trip, are great chances to hang out and learn photography. Also on the show we have Montreal based Music Photographer Marie Demeire. I have followed Marie on socials for years, but today is my first time meeting her face-to-face. Known around the net as "Marie Goes To Shows", she has been published in Complex, EDM.com, Bandcamp, iHeartRadio Canada, Canadian Beats, 99Scenes, Sors-Tu, the MUHC Foundation, Secret Melbourne and BP Arts Media. Having been a fan of her work for years, I am thrilled to be able to get her perspective on this subject. Join Canon Explorer of Light David Bergman, and Montreal Music Photographer Marie Demeire, as they join me for a serious, and fun, chat about Concert Photo Releases, on this Behind the Shot. Chapter Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:03:47 - Overview of Music Photography Photo releases 00:05:08 - Chapter 5 00:08:18 - Getting to Know of Marie & David 00:14:38 - David & Marie’s Overview of Releases 00:24:51 - Common Reasons People Say They Sign a Release 00:37:34 - Replying to Comments from Instagram 00:56:13 - What About the “Cross Out the Parts You Don’t Like and Return It” Argument? 01:09:07 - Anything the Guests Want to Add? 01:18:22 - My Final Thoughts on Concert Photo Releases 01:21:58 - Speed Round Q & A 01:25:41 - Marie and David’s Photographer Picks 01:26:51 - Where to Find My Guests? 01:28:26 - Outro Connect with David Bergman Website: davidbergman.net Italian Riviera with David Bergman: trovatrip.com Instagram: @davidbergman Facebook: @DavidBergmanPhoto X / Twitter: @davidbergman LinkedIN: @davidbergman Connect with Marie Demeire Website: tinyurl.com/mariegoestoshows Instagram: @mariegoestoshows X / Twitter: @mgoestoshows   David's Photographer Pick Aubrey Wise: aubreywisephoto.com | @aubreywisephoto Marie's Photographer Picks Susan Moss: susanmossphotography.com | @susanmossphotography ASMP Article Predatory Contract Clauses: Music Edition: asmp.org Copyright for Photographers Playlist on YouTube: Music Edition: YouTube.com/@behindtheshot
Capturing Warbirds

Capturing Warbirds

2024-06-06--:--

I will never forget growing up hearing my dad talk about his days flying P-51 and P-40 planes. His walls were covered in model planes of classic war birds, as though he was trying to relive his youth. When he passed away, I inherited a bunch of model planes he'd never gotten around to building. He was in the Air Force his entire life, retiring as a Lt. Colonel, and talking with today's guest has brought back so many memories. Brett Schauf, the owner of T&J Studios, in Wichita, Kansas, is a commercial, portrait and fine art photographer, but in addition to his commercial and portrait work Brett has been able to produce a collection of fine art prints featuring Landscape, Travel, and Aviation photography. Since 2015 Brett has been the lead photographer for the B-29 Doc, a restored World War II B-29 bomber, and man.... it's a beautiful plane. This gig has given Brett the opportunity to travel as a crew member, documenting the plane, crew, visitors and the many veterans who visit Doc on tour. So, while I started by introducing Brett as a commercial, portrait and fine art photographer, today's focus will be the Aviation photography. From aviation manufacturers and publications, to industry leaders, businesses and entertainers, Brett's commercial client list keeps him pretty busy, so I am so grateful he was able to set aside some time to talk to us about how he captures these rare classic warbirds. And a quick thank you to Dr. T from Platypod for introducing us. Join commercial, portrait. fine art, and arial photographer Brett Schauf and me as we talk about how he captures his stunning images of classic warbirds, like the B-29 Doc. Brett shares his passion for capturing dynamic lighting and vibrant colors, whether in landscapes or mid-air. He also provides insights into the technical aspects and creative process behind his aerial shots. Join us for a conversation that offers valuable tips and inspiration for photographers at all levels, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Brett Websites: brett.photo | tjstudios.com Instagram: @brettphoto Facebook: @bschauf X / Twitter: @brettphoto Brett's Photographer Picks Travis Heying: travisheying.com | @theying Seth Miranda: lastxwitness.com | @lastxwitness Joel Grimes: joelgrimes.com | @joelgrimesworkshops
3 Guys Walk Into a Podcast

3 Guys Walk Into a Podcast

2024-05-0902:06:11

One of the things I love about the podcasting world is the instant camaraderie you sometimes feel when talking with other podcasters. It's hard to explain the connection you get when you have something creative in common with someone, but it's a pretty cool feeling. So, when a few months back I got a text from Kersten Luts, of the 'Camera Shake Podcast', to see if I wanted to join him and Dave Clayton, of the 'He Shoots, He Draws Podcast', for a joint podcast I answered with a quick "YES PLEASE!". Their idea was that we do a show on podcasting - a casual chat about how we got started, the ups and down, and why we still love doing our shows. We would record the show as a video, even though He Shoots, He Draws is normally audio only, and then we would each release the same show, on the same day, on each of our podcasts. I loved the concept as soon as I heard it, and the chance to do a show with these two friends made it even better. I have had the honor of being on both Kersten's and Dave's podcasts. I was the guest on Episode 93 of He Shoots, He Draws, and I have been on the Camera Shake Podcast twice, for Episode 134: How To Take Great Music Photos,  and on Episode 178 talking about how to Instantly Improve Your Photos, plus I was recently on Kersten's live streamed Coffee Time. For today's show we went pretty long, it's tough to stop when you're just having a fun chat with friends about a topic you love. Join podcasters Kersten Luts of the Camera Shake Podcast, and Dave Clayton of the He Shoots He Draws Podcast, as they join me for a joint show - available on all of our shows - talk about podcasting, poor audio, the Royal Family, and birthdays, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Kersten Luts Website: kerstenluts.com Instagram (Personal): @kerstenluts Instagram (Three Heads In A Row): @threeheadsinarow Facebook: @kerstenlutsphotography X / Twitter: @kerstenphoto Camera Shake Podcast Website: camerashakepodcast.com YouTube: @camerashake Instagram: @camerashakepodcast Facebook: @camerashakepodcast X / Twitter: @ShakeCamera Connect with Dave Clayton Website: itsdaveclayton.com Instagram: @itsdaveclayton Facebook: @itsdaveclayton X / Twitter: @itsdaveclayton LinkedIN: @daveclayton He Shoots, He Draws Podcast Website: heshootshedrawspodcast.simplecast.com YouTube: @heshootshedrawspodcast3209 Instagram: @heshootshedraws Facebook: @heshootshedraws X / Twitter: @heshootshedraws
The photographers I am exposed to by doing this show never cease to amaze me. Recently, my buddy Ian Spanier told a friend of his that he should be on the show, and gave him my contact info. At that point, Jason Gardner reached out to me, and when Ian, who has been on the show a few times himself, suggests someone I need to pay attention. Jason is an interesting photographer. He has galleries on his site for Editorial, Events, Personalities, and Lifestyle, and the work is fantastic. Honestly, there were a few of his lifestyle images I really wanted to cover on the show, and hopefully we get to revisit that subject one day. For this show though we look at a project Jason has been working on for years, a lot of years. For over 15 years, throughout 15 countries, Jason has documented the ritual and festival of Carnival, focusing on traditional, folkloric, and community celebrations. The resulting images, which are the subject of his second book, We the Spirits, and a window into how humanity, worldwide, celebrate life, tradition, and folklore. Photographs from We the Spirits were displayed in the exhibition Costume and Masquerade: at the Stadhaus in Ulm, Germany, and the project was selected to be exhibited at the Mois de la Photo OFF Photography festival in Paris, and that's just two of the many exhibitions that Jason's work has been displayed at, and in fact the images from We the Spirits will be on display again for an exhibition at Ted and Nune Studio, Street Hastings-on-Hudson, NY from April 6 - May 19. With a client list that includes Con Edison, HBO, TED Talks, Dassault Systèmes, Electrolux, Grand Central Station, Samsung Corporation, N-Y Historical Society, Freshworks, Ogilvy & Mather, Direct TV, Pfizer, Big Brothers Big Sisters NY, and Human Rights Watch, it's no wonder Jason has seen the success he has. Seriously, go check out his Lifestyle / Editorial work, or his Personalities gallery. So good. Getting back to that term "Visual Anthropology", Jason describes it this way: "In my practice, I document visually various aspects of a culture, and how it is celebrated, both venerating traditions and looking forward. I am interested in what constitutes cultures and most especially how they are celebrated, from honoring traditions to envisaging the future. By focusing on cultural manifestations such as music, dance, festival, and spectacle, as well as symbols, street art, glyphs, costumes, or shrines in a closet, I capture the intangible, visually translating the symbolic connections of what might not be visible at first glance. Placing my photographic practice within the framework of Visual Anthropology, I hope to tell stories by focusing on cultures, traditions and practices which often happen behind the public’s view. I capture things that build up to define the cultural milieu and community’s regional identities. I look for that ineffable moment of transformation in a ceremony, the traditional song or costume epitomizing regional pride and identity, a symbol representing a culture, these all combine to reflect the culture. I wish to reveal some of the diversity of the spiritual, material, intellectual and emotional landscape of a community. Making the connections among the various manifestations, to show their relationship with each other, and how they interlock, helps to form my view of the culture I am documenting. These displays of culture are significant, to me, in that they represent one of the more profound ways that humans can express themselves." And I think all of that comes through in his work. Join documentary photographer Jason Gardner and me as we talk about his "Visual Anthropology", and as we dissect one of the images from his travels documenting the ritual and festival of Carnival throughout 15 countries, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Jason Website: jasongardner.net Instagram: @visualanthropology1 Facebook: @jasongardnerphoto X / Twitter: @JGardnerPhoto
Product Photography

Product Photography

2024-04-1151:03

I never used to go to photography conferences. It's not that they didn't interest me, it's just that none of them cover my genre of music photography. WPPI is all about weddings and portraits, and while Imaging USA seems to cover a bit more, it doesn't go anywhere near concerts. Still, a few years ago I went to WPPI with a friend, to cover it on the show, and I found out that I didn't care what the conference covered. What I enjoyed the most was meeting other photographers after hours to talk shop. Since then, I have been to all but one WPPI, and a few of the old Photoshop World conferences - which I really miss. That is all to say that no matter what you think of conferences, the networking side is almost always worth the trip. This past January I decided to try out my first Imaging USA, partly because it was in Louisville, KY, the home of the Bourbon Trail. The conference, for me, was a huge success. I was able to hang out with some old friends, and meet a few new ones, like today's guest. While at Imaging I stopped by to say hello to my friends at the Platypod booth, and while there I met fellow Platypod Pro Lenworth Johnson. Lenworth is a commercial fashion and beauty photographer based in Houston, TX, and originally from Jamaica. We talked a bit at the conference, and I browsed through his site, and knew right then I needed to get him on the show. My original thought was to cover one of his amazing fashion or beauty shots, since that's what he's mostly known for, but that would have been obvious. Instead I decided we should focus on a tangential part of his work. Lenworth also shoots fashion related product photography, like perfumes and makeup, and I have never really had that genre on the show before. The challenges of product photography are quite varied, from holding highlights on reflective surfaces, to subject separation and color accuracy, and Lenworth tackles these challenges so well I thought he could help you and I get a better sense of this difficult subject matter. His work has been honored with multiple awards: 2019 Guru Awards Photoshop World Award 2020 Silver Advertising Award MIFA Award 2022 Gold Commercial Photography-Product MUSE Awards 2023 Gold People Photography-Portrait MUSE Awards 2023 Gold Commercial Photography-Fashion MUSE Awards As a KelbyOne instructor, Lenworth teaches a few classes, including Fashion & Beauty, lighting, and getting published. Join commercial fashion and beauty photographer Lenworth Johnson and me as we talk about his fashion and beauty work, and as we dissect his product shot of Chanel makeup, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Lenworth Website: lenworthjohnson.com Instagram: @lenworth.johnson Facebook: @photographyLJ X / Twitter: @LJ_Photography1 LinkedIN: @lenworth-johnson-2966a319 Lenworth's KelbyOne Classes KelbyOne: KelbyOne.com Lenworth's Photographer Pick Mary Bel: marybelphotography.com | @marybelphotography
Artistic Macros

Artistic Macros

2024-03-2901:05:09

One of my favorite parts of doing this podcast is that I get to discover and meet some amazing photographers, and L.A. based Nikon Ambassador Joey Terrill is a perfect example. We've all joked about a photographer we know being able to "shoot anything", but in reality very few people can truly shoot any subject matter. There are a few out there though, Joe McNally comes to mind, that just get it. Their photography seems to breath it's own air, and be alive. Joey is one of those talents. His career has included a range of specialties including architecture and interior design, advertising and corporate photography, golf course landscapes, and editorial portraiture, and his macro photography is fascinating. Joey's website has three galleries, Portraits, Scenes, and Macro, and if you spend a little time there you'll get some insight into how Joey sees the world. Perhaps this quote from his website sums it up best: "My camera is the window through which I experience life" From extreme close-up or a vast valley, to a portrait of a corporate CEO made to look like a star, Mr. Terrill just seems to understand what we are doing when we take a photo. He understands how to make a viewer feel something, as though they've been invited into the scene. That, my friend, is a skill I wish I had. Joey has worked with clients like American Express, Coca-Cola, Disney, Golf Digest, Major League Baseball, Nikon, Red Bull and Sports Illustrated. As an educator he teaches workshops and speaks at seminars including PhotoPlus Expo, WPPI, CES, Imaging USA, and of course Nikon School. Join photographer and Nikon Ambassador Joey Terrill and me as we dive into the artistic world of his macro photography, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Joey Website: joeyterrill.com Instagram: @joeyterrill Glass: @joeyterrill Facebook: @joeyterrill X / Twitter: @joeyterrill Joey's Photographer Pick George Hurrell: georgehurrell.com | @hurrellphotos
I find guests for Behind the Shot in a number of ways. Sometimes it's a referral from a friend, sometimes it's a cold email I send after seeing an image I just need to know more about, and now and then it's through a photographer's PR company. Regardless of how I find them, more often than not I end up being introduced to an amazing artist I wasn't familiar with beforehand. That is the case today. Jiří Lízler was brought to my attention by the folks over at Wonderful Machine, a company I think of as a PR firm, but that describes itself as "an art production agency with a network of 559 photographers in 44 countries". Whatever you see them as, they have a pool of talent that includes some of the best of the best, and they've brought me awesome guest ideas in the past. When they brought Jiří up to me two things jumped out... one was that I had never, that I recall, had an architectural shot on the show before, and the other was that Jiří's work is insanely good. I am so glad this show worked out. If, like me, you were not familiar with Jiří Lízler, let me introduce you... Jiri is a renowned Award-Winning commercial photographer from the Czech Republic, with a portfolio that features luxury hotels and high-end residential interiors. His work has been featured in international media fixtures like Conde Nast Traveller, The Telegraph, Forbes, Vanity Fair, Harper’s Bazaar, The Times, Archilovers and more. From a clientele perspective, I am not sure you will find bigger names, with clients that include Microsoft, McDonald's, Chanel, Warner Bros Discovery, St. Regis, Ritz-Carlton, Six Senses, The Luxury Collection, and Hyatt. As I am writing this, I have the Tear Sheets page of his website in front of me, and wow. Jiri's work is truly fantastic. Join Czech based commercial photographer Jiří Lízler and me as we discuss his world of photographing hotels & resorts, travel & tourism, architecture and interiors, and more, while taking a deep dive into his photo of the pool at the Corinthia Hotel Prague, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Jiří Website: jirilizler.com Instagram: @jirilizler LinkedIN: @jiri-lizler-hotel-photographer Jiří's Photographer Pick Rupert Peace: rupertpeace.com | @rupertpeace
Portrait Composites

Portrait Composites

2024-03-0201:04:40

One look at the client list at the bottom of Paul Mobley’s About page and it’s quickly apparent that he’s one of the best commercial, advertising, and editorial portrait photographers working today. It’s a list of A level celebrities & musicians, and Fortune 500 companies, that speaks volumes about the type of work Paul creates. Whether it’s a celebrity promoting his or her latest project or a 100-year- old farmer celebrating his family’s legacy, Paul has that rare ability to direct as well as photograph his subjects, to create some connection with them that puts them at ease in front of the camera. They seem to trust him at an almost uncanny level. The result? He creates portraits that are authentic, and timeless. In addition to his corporate, advertising, and editorial work, Paul is an accomplished author, having  published four books of his photography with Welcome Books: American Farmer (2008), Everyday Heroes (2012), If I Live to Be 100 (2016), and American Firefighter (2018). For all four books, Mobley traveled around the country to meet the subjects in their hometowns and photograph these ordinary citizens leading their extraordinary lives. Mobley has also put together a traveling exhibition of his American Farmer photographs that will tour museums and colleges around the United States until 2025. You’ll find links to his books and exhibition below. Join commercial, advertising, and editorial portrait photographer Paul Mobley and me as we talk about his portrait work, compositing portraits, and as we dissect his multi-shot image of comedian Sebastian Maniscalco, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Paul Website: paulmobleystudio.com Instagram: @paulmobleystudio Facebook: @PaulMobleyStudio X / Twitter: @PaulShoots LinkedIN: @paulmobleystudio Traveling Exhibition Website: eusa.org/exhibition/american-farmer/ Paul's Books Amazon: amazon.com Paul's Photographer Pick Ruvén Afanador: ruvenafanador.com | @ruvenafanador
Zoe Rain is one of those photographers in the rare group of artists that was born to do what she does. Some people can learn to become amazing artists, while others, people like Zoe, seem to have a natural gift for seeing the world through a lens. At the young age of 20, Zoe was already touring with Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, and that work brought a bit of notoriety, to say the least. Since then, her work has graced the cover of Rolling Stone, appeared on subway car ads, and been plastered on billboards across the world. Working with some of the biggest names in music, including Chance The Rapper, Ed Sheeran, Christina Aguilera, Ke$ha and Vic Mensa, has brought Zoe into the world of successful commercial photographer - a leap many people in music photography dream of. From multiple opportunities as an Apple keynote speaker, to being on industry panels hosted by agencies including Soho, Havas, & Leo Burnette, Zoe is now a sought after artist, and speaker for some of the largest brands in the industry. Zoe's love of travel has led to her photojournalistic projects, involving intimate collaborations with nonprofits such as the 30-30 project & Construction for Change. This work includes Rain’s portraiture series “Woman of Togo”, which has been featured in galleries across the US. After over a decade of success, Zoe is at the top of her game. Join commercial photographer and filmmaker Zoe Rain and me as we discuss everything from her life on the road with Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, to her wonderful portrait work, and as we examine her portrait of Ed Sheeran, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Zoe Website: rainstudio.com Instagram: @ZoeRainPhoto
Back in June I did a review of the StellaPro Reflex line of lights titled "Is This My New Favorite Light?". Well, today I've got an update. StellaPro has upgraded the hardware. The StellaPro Reflex lights are “Continuous Strobe Hybrid” LED lights. They allow you to do constant light, as you might do for video, or using digital burst mode you can use the lights like you would a flash. Technically, these are not flashes, they are LED lights, but they allow you to over-charge the LED and release all of that charge as a burst of light, a burst that can be up to 1 stop brighter than the constant light. And that constant light isn't just some weak modeling light, like you might have in a standard studio monolight. These are bright, very bright. After doing that deep dive review I was impressed. I mean, no product is everything we want, and there's definitely a wishlist I have in my head for these lights, but for me the pros outweighed the cons. And now StellaPro has made some interesting changes... First, they consolidated the Reflex line into one model, eliminating the standard Reflex (no S), and leaving only the Reflex S. There is a Reflex Studio too, but the light head in that model is the Reflex S. Secondly, they've increased both the continuous and burst power 50%, doubled the runtime, and made the light 50% faster – now delivering 30 fps of full power bursts without missing a burst. How much more do these upgraded lights cost you ask? Well, it's not more expensive. It's not even the same price. The upgraded lights are almost $250 cheaper! It actually feels weird writing that. An already good product is made better and they charge less? What the hell is the world coming to. The StellaPro Reflex S lights are now $849, and with the added power they're a pretty damn good deal - that is if they live up to the claims. Today we are going to test this new upgraded hardware, which comes in the form of a larger battery handle, and a firmware update to the light head. The Reflex Lights I will be using in this show were sent to me by Stella Pro Lights for the purpose of that original review show back in June, and the upgraded battery handles were sent to me for the review of the upgrade. Let me be clear though, they have not paid me further and this is not a sponsored review. I am free to have and state any opinions that I have, and StellaPro doesn’t get to see this show before it goes live. This is just my honest opinion based on what I might look for in a portable light. As always, If you want a crazy technical review - that’s not me, but there are a lot of those out there. Here are the various sections in the show, so feel free to jump around to the areas that interest you. 00:00 - Intro 01:21 - Disclaimers 03:11 - What is the StellaPro Reflex S? 04:09 - What Changed? 04:38 - The Upgrade 06:35 - Old vs New Battery 09:11 - Updated Specs 10:58 - Testing Intro 15:16 - Black Background Tests 19:45 - Block Wall Test 20:56 - Portrait Tests Intro 21:43 - Portrait Tests 24:30 - Light Falloff Test Intro 25:21 - The Falloff Setup 25:53 - Light Falloff Tests 27:01 - Wishlist 30:57 - Final Thoughts 32:33 - Outro Join me as I take a look at the recent update to the StellaPro Lights Reflex S. We'll take a look at the upgraded hardware, and check out the claim of 50% more power. Original StellaPro Reflex Review Mentioned in the Show (June 2023) Is This My New Favorite Light? A Review of the Stella Pro Reflex:YouTube.com Inverse Square Law Video Mentioned in the Show Digital Photography 1 on 1: Episode 59: Inverse Square Law:: Adorama Photography TV on YouTube Connect with StellaPro Lights Website: stellaprolights.com Facebook: @stellaprolights Instagram: @stellaprolights YouTube: @stellaprolights Connect with Steve Portfolio: stevebrazill.com Facebook: @SteveBrazillPhotography Instagram: @stevebrazill Twitter: @stevebrazill Mastodon: @stevebrazill
Tintype Photography

Tintype Photography

2023-08-1001:17:16

There are times when I see a photographer's work that I have an emotional response, a feeling that I am seeing something special. That's what happened the first time I browsed through Victoria Will's website. Photo after photo there was something.... with impact. That doesn't happen very often. Victoria's career in photography began as a photojournalist, but has now moved to a focus on celebrity portraiture, editorial, and commercial assignments. That beginning, however, is readily obvious. Her images feel spontaneous, like she just happens to be there with a camera while some A List actor, or Hall of Fame musician. happened to be posing. Victoria's portraits just feel honest and authentic. Victoria's images have appeared in the pages of some of the top publications, including Vogue, The New York Times, and Rolling Stone, ESPN and W Magazine. Commercial campaigns for brands like Carhartt, Levis, Netflix, Hulu, Epix, AT&T, Bose, Samsung, Ralph Lauren, and Miller High Life have also used her work. Her About Page says that her approach is "rooted in collaboration and meaningful connection where she seeks intimacy, authenticity, and elegance with a thoughtful eye and composition". I would probably just describe her work as magic, but I guess her wording is probably better for the website. You don't get to this level of success, and talent, without other people noticing, and she has a crazy collection of awards. Victoria has been recognized by American Photography, PDN Photo Annual, and Communication Arts, and her imagery has been the subject of both solo and group exhibitions internationally. Her first monograph, Borne Back, a collection of tintype portraits, was published in 2017 by Peanut Press. Tintype photography is something I know very little about, or more accurately, nothing at all. Luckily for all of us, Profoto has a video on their YouTube channel documenting the process. You can check out "Victoria Will Shoots the Stars at Sundance" here. In 2023, Victoria became one of the newest members of the Canon Explorer of Light program, an honor I will say is so very well deserved. She is one of the best working today. Join Canon Explorer of Light Victoria Will and me as we explore tintype photography, and discuss her tintype image of famed actor Sam Shepard, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Victoria Website: victoriawill.com Instagram: @victoriawill Twitter: @vwillphoto Victoria's Book Borne Back: peanutpressbooks.com Profoto Video on Victoria Shooting Tintypes Victoria Will Shoots the Stars at Sundance: youtube.com Victoria's Photographer Picks Dana Scruggs: danascruggs.com | @danascruggs Benedict Evans: benedictevans.com | @benedict_evans
Musical Wildlife

Musical Wildlife

2023-07-2752:55

Regular watchers / listeners of the show will know Dave Williams. He's a great friend, and amazing photographer, and he has a skill I value... an eye for great guests. In fact, he has connected me to more potential guests than I think anyone else. Because of that, when Dave sends me someone, I pay attention. Today is the result of that process. Dave described Paul Kober's work to me, and I was immediately struck by how unique the concept was. Paul is what most would call a wildlife and nature photographer, but I have never seen his subjects photographed in quite the same way before, or since for that matter. All of Paul's photos are taken in his backyard, and he places various string, woodwind, brass, and percussion instruments hanging from the trees or sitting on the ground. Next, he smears jelly, peanut butter, or birdseed in strategic places on the instruments to attract wild animals. Then, he waits.... and waits, sometimes for many hours. When the squirrels, birds, deer, or other wildlife come into the scene he has created, he grabs the shot. Catching the wildlife in artistically pleasing positions is the key, and somehow he does exactly that. It's also important to note that no animals are photoshopped into position, it's all about the patience he has to wait for just that right moment. His interest in photography only started about twelve years ago, and over the years he has experimented with doing portraits, landscapes, and architecture images, before finding his niche. Paul is very passionate about music, and in fact made a living as a professional jazz saxophonist for a number of years.  He's also passionate about animals - he and his wife currently have five shelter cats. In this relatively short period of time, Paul's photography has garnered him a great deal of recognition. He has been showcased in Photoshop Magazine, and AirSpeed Magazine. He won the prestigious international GURU award, and nine awards in the London Photography Awards. One of his pictures was even used as the cover for a flute composition. Join photographer Paul Kober and me as we explore his musical wildlife photography project, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Paul Website: paulkoberphoto.com Instagram: @paulkoberphoto Facebook: @paul.kober.52 Dave William's Post About Paul on DIY Photography This Photographer Shoots Cute Animals Playing Musical Instruments: diyphotography.net Paul's Photographer Pick Kaylee Greer: dogbreathphoto.com | @dogbreathphotography Chapters 00:00 - Intro 00:38 - Intro to Paul Kober 14:12 - Photo Discussion 42:52 - Speed Round Q & A 47:44 - Paul’s Photographer Pick - Kaylee Greer 51:19 - Outro 51:41 - Remembering Terrell Woods
It never surprises me how often Scott Kelby's name comes up when I am talking about photography with someone. I remember, back when I started out in photography, how much I learned from watching his videos with "The Photoshop Guys". Scott, to me, is photography education personified. Scott has been on the show a few times, for Insights From Scott Kelby and Timeless Photography,  but I still remember the first time I met him in person. It was at a Photoshop World in Vegas, and I was at the hotel bar where everyone from the conference hung out. Scott walked in and the room seemed to gravitate slowly towards him. I recall thinking "it's gotta be weird to be him right now" at the same time as thinking "I should go introduce myself". Clearly, I am part of the problem. Still, I walked over and before I got to him he spotted me and walked towards me to say hi. Since then I have had the pleasure of seeing him at a few conferences, and hanging out for a few hours at the NAMM show in Anaheim, CA, but one of the most amazing things is to just sit in a session Scott is teaching and watch him work. Scott Kelby was born to do what he does, and I'm not talking about the business side of Scott here. Sure, Scott is an icon in the photography world. He's the founder and namesake of KelbyOne, the gold standard in online photography education, and the creator of Photoshop World, but the teaching... that is where Scott shines. His knowledge is up there with the best in the business, but his pacing, speech patterns, and demeanor, all make absorbing that knowledge so easy. He has authored numerous books, and he shares a lot of his knowledge on his blog at scottkelby.com.  I'd argue that his Guest Blog Wednesdays are one of the most amazing resources out there for photographers, and twice now I have been honored to write a post there, for Five Lessons Learned from Hosting the Behind The Shot Podcast and The Joy of Live Music Photography. Scott's Annual Scott Kelby Worldwide Photo Walk – the world’s largest social photography event - just seems to get bigger each year, and he's more than just well versed in photography by the way. Scott is an accomplished musician, playing guitar (what an amazing guitar collection he has), bass, drums, and piano. Plus, he is one of the few photographers that seemingly can photograph anything – Any. Thing. Travel, fashion, beauty, people, the great indoors, automotive, sports, anything he points his camera at seems to crop itself for him, and that is one of the things I love about Scott's work. His eye for composition, and what makes a shot work, is amazing. That is what brings him here today. Scott does regular photo critique shows, usually blind photo critiques, on his show The Grid, usually with Erik Kuna, and his insight is amazing. I firmly believe that one of the best and fastest ways to improve your photography is to get fair honest critiques from a trusted source, and that's what Scott is doing. I also did a series of image critique shows, with my buddy Don Komarechka, for two years, but that stopped when the war broke out in Ukraine, and then Don moved to Bulgaria. At some point while we were doing those shows Scott wrote a blog post titled "What to expect from a photo critique", and it was so damn good that I started mentioning it at the start of every critique show I did with Don. Let me explain... Often I would get an email from someone who's image Don and I critiqued trying to explain the image, and in doing so trying to let me know why we were "wrong" with what we had said. The same thing happens when I judge one of the image competitions I do periodically here in California. People feel that if we judges and critique people only knew the hardships they went through to get an image, or what the crowd was like, or what the music sounded like, or insert your explainer here meant, that we would understand how amazing their image was. We just didn't understand their art!
10 Questions with... Don Komarechka I have had a lot of guests on this show, but few I know as well as Don Komarechka. Don is a great friend, which seems odd considering we have never met in person. We did our critique shows together for about two years, in honestly, chatting with him is always a blast. for that reason, I figured he was a perfect guest for my new "10 Questions" series. Don has been on the regular show too, a few times. The first was way back in February of 2018, for "The Art of Snowflakes", next was July of that year for "Improve Your Macro Photography", and the last time was for "Water Droplet Refractions" in 2019. I need to get him back for a regular show soon. I'd had the "10 Questions" idea for awhile, and while recording a show with Toy Photographer, and Platypod Pro, Jesse Feyereisen. I decided to give it a shot. I asked him last minute if he wanted to try it, and lucky for me, he said yes! Now, Don has agreed to to doing the show again, and this isn't a "normal" show at all. It's a rapid fire 10 questions ranging from photography to any other subject, and some are just off the wall. From auroras to pollen, insects to infrared, much of Don’s photographic adventures help us to see how the universe works. Exploring a world we cannot see with our own eyes is a common thread in Don’s career as a professional photographer. Always science-minded but never formally trained, Don uses photography as a way to explore and understand the world around him. Photographing something unusual or unknown is the perfect excuse to learn something new. Don’s work often pushes up against the technical limitations of modern camera equipment and the physical limitations of light itself. It's in that space between photography and geek that Don seems to be most at home. He even hosts a podcast called Photo Geek Weekly, which I have had the honor of being a guest on a number of times (and it is honestly one of my favorite things to do). When you browse through Don Komarechka’s work you may have the feeling you are not doing enough with your photography. I know I do. His work is something unique and special. Part photography, part science experiment. One of the things I truly love about Don is his total openness to the process. He will share anything to help people understand his craft. He shows behind the scenes shots often, and on the macro episode we did he even shared his raw files to convince someone that the bee was alive and real. Don is honestly one of the coolest photographers I know, and I hope you enjoy today's special show with him. Join Macro Photographer, and Platypod Pro, Don Komarechka and me as we dive into 10 random questions - some photography related, and some are far from it. Connect with Don Full Portfolio: donkom.ca Snowflake Portfolio: skycrystals.ca Photo Geek Weekly Podcast: photogeekweekly.com Workshops: donkom.ca/workshops Facebook: @donkomphoto Instagram: @donkomphoto Twitter: @donkom Flickr: @donkom 500px: @donkom
My guest today most likely needs no introduction. As Vice President of Operations for KelbyOne, Erik Kuna has been around the photography world for a long time, and he's been on the show before, for the episode titled Shoot for the Skies. His specialty is photographing rockets and spaceflight, but make no mistake, Erik could teach you a lot about almost any genre of photography. From behind the camera, Erik photographs launches for organizations like NASA, SpaceX, United Launch Alliance, and Orbital ATK. Whether he's working for a media outlet, a magazine, or for an actual space agency, his goal is to create images that help educate people on the space industry. The educator side of Erik is where many people know him from. Working for KelbyOne, has led to him being the regular co-host with KelbyOne founder Scott Kelby on their show The Grid. Erik's 20+ years of experience serve him well there, and around the photography world, teaching seminars, workshops and classes. From landscapes, travel and nature, to night photography, twilight and rockets, Erik is as knowledgeable as it gets.  He’s also worked with partners such as Adobe, Google, Canon, B&H Photo and many more to produce training videos and corporate events to help their customers and clients unlock their full potential via education and inspiration. Join rocket and spaceflight photojournalist Erik Kuna and me as we try to better understand what goes into creating his amazing images, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Erik Personal: erikkuna.com KelbyOne: kelbyone.com Photoshop World:photoshopworld.com Facebook: @erikkuna Instagram: @erikkuna Twitter: @erikkuna Erik's Prints Prints on SmugMug: erikkuna.smugmug.com Erik's Workshops with Jay Grammond Dakota Adventure: Light Painting Under The Stars: jgrammondphotography.net Erik's Photographer Pick John Kraus: johnkrausphotos.com | @johnkrausphotos Apps Erik Mentioned Adobe Lightroom: adobe.com Adobe Photoshop: adobe.com PhotoPills: photopills.com Flight Club: flightclub.io Astrospheric: astrospheric.com Erik's Agency SuperCluster: supercluster.com Behind the Scenes Images Shown During the Show
A few years ago I was walking around the WPPI Expo floor with a friend, when he suggested we stop by the StellaPro Lights booth. This friend does some work with StellaPro Lights, a division of Light & Motion, and he thought I might be interested in seeing their new product - the StellaPro Reflex. As the staff there showed me the lights, I immediately thought that these might be a game changer for some people - maybe even me. Since then, I've been able to see the lights, and meet the people from StellaPro a few times, including at NAB 2022. Every time, I was struck by how kind the staff were, and how passionate about this product they were. Yeah, they're supposed to be passionate about their product while showing it at a conference, but this felt so honest to me. While I was handling these lights it felt like I was holding something different than any other light I've played around with... in a very cool way. If you're not familiar with the StellaPro Reflex, let me summarize for you. The StellaPro Reflex is a “Continuous Strobe Hybrid”, meaning it does both Constant Light or Digital Burst. These LED lights allow you to do constant light like any LED, and I am not talking about a simple modeling light like you have in a standard studio monolight. These are constant LED lights suitable for video use. The Digital Burst mode allows you to use the lights like you would a flash, but these are not flashes. Again, they are LED lights, but they allow you to charge the LED and release all of that charge as a burst of light, a burst that can be up to 1 stop brighter than the constant light. Hopefully the phrase “Continuous Strobe Hybrid” makes a bit more sense now. After meeting the StellaPro Lights folks, they offered to send me some of the gear for a review, and I jumped at the chance. They ended up sending me a 2 Light Kit, including 2 Stella Pro Reflex S lights along with various accessories and cables, and today we are going to put them to use. I do want to make a few things clear for this show... This is an honest, unsponsored review. The Stella Pro Lights I’m using in this show were sent to me by Stella Pro Lights (and Light & Motion) for the purpose of this review, but this is not a paid ad. I am free to have and state any opinions I have, and Stella Pro doesn’t get to see this before it goes live. Also, If you want a crazy technical review - that’s not me. I’m not going to measure actual Kelvin, CRI, and TLCI, etc. If you want technical reviews on any gear, I'd suggest checking out Photo Joseph, Curtis Judd, Gerald Undone, or one of the many people that do that way better than I ever could. I don't know if any of those YouTubers have reviewed these lights, but they do great content. What I want to see is how these lights work for someone like me. I’m not a person that uses constant light or flash daily. I am a concert photographer. I do shoot Meet & Greets, Portraits and Promos, but I don’t normally use studio type lights. I have been able to get by on my Canon Speedlights, and even then I’m not a person that uses constant light or flash daily. So, these are just my opinions based on how I shoot. This show will divided into 3 parts: Getting to know the gear, the unboxing and gear details, and shooting with lights. Finally, I’ll close it out with my thoughts. Join me for a review of the StellaPro Lights Reflex S, and let's see if I have a new favorite light, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with StellaPro Lights Website: stellaprolights.com Facebook: @stellaprolights Instagram: @stellaprolights YouTube: @stellaprolights Connect with Steve Portfolio: stevebrazill.com Facebook: @SteveBrazillPhotography Instagram: @stevebrazill Twitter: @stevebrazill Mastodon: @stevebrazill StellaPro Reflex - Black Background - 3 Feet StellaPro Reflex - Block Wall - 3 Feet StellaPro Reflex with Steve - Black Background - 6 Feet
My guest for this show is none other than my buddy Dave Williams, making his third appearance on the show. On the chance that you haven't seen the other two shows I did with Dave, "Aurora and the Night Sky" and "The Traveling Photographer", let me take a moment to introduce one of my favorite creatives. Dave is a travel photographer based out of London, or wherever his tricked out van happens to be parked. Yeah, you heard that correctly. Dave lives in a van called "Kofifernweh", and this van is insane - you can read about it here. He documents his travels, while photographing and writing, on his popular YouTube series "Due North", and his Aurora images from these adventures are amazing - which isn't a surprise considering he literally wrote The Complete Aurora Guide: for Travelers and Photographers. There's no question about it, Dave is one of the most adventurous people I know. Dave's work has been featured in publications and campaigns for clients including Time, National Geographic, Forbes, Boeing, Huawei, Microsoft, Triumph, Conde Nast, and Shell to name a few. He also works closely with several companies within the photography and travel industries, including Platypod, Wandrd, Litra, Drobo, Blackrapid, Passion Passport, and Lonely Planet. What has always stuck out in my mind was Dave's ability to teach others, and you can find his tutorials and writings in various places, and I have the links below, but many will know him the same way I did, his work over at KelbyOne, along with his writings for Photoshop User Magazine and ScottKelby.com. He also writes journalistic and inspirational articles for DIY Photography. He’s also presented at Photoshop World Conference, The Photography Show, Russell Browns Art Directors Invitational Masterclass. Recently, I was talking to Dave and he mentioned he was doing a new workshop with another past guest and friend, Kersten Luts, who was on the show for the episode on Creative Portraits and Headshots. He calls this workshop the "Lofoten Islands Viking Photography Workshop", but it's a lot more than that. It's a portrait and landscape hybrid photography workshop deep within the Arctic Circle. There will be a Viking, epic landscapes, rugged mountains, majestic fjords, beautiful reindeer, world-renowned food, traditional red cabins, dancing aurora, and Dave and Kersten as your photo guides. I have to admit, I REALLY want to do this workshop, and I even have had other friends of mine tell me they've already signed up. Not sure I can swing it, since I already have a big vacation planned this year, but yeah, I am looking at it. Dave and Kersten were kind enough to share a discount code for you, so you can take 5% ($250) off when booking with DAVE5. The mantra Dave lives by is ‘once in a lifetime as often as you can’ and so far, that’s working out pretty well Join renowned travel photographer Dave Williams and me as we chat about photographing deep within the arctic circle, and his workshop in Lofoten, Norway, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Dave Website: idavewilliams.com Instagram: @idavewilliams Facebook: @idavewilliams Twitter: @idavewilliams YouTube: @idavewilliams Dave's Workshop with Kersten Luts Lofoten Islands Viking Photography Workshop: idavewilliams.com Dave's Due North Series YouTube.com KelbyOne Dave Williams on KelbyOne Dave's Aurora Book Amazon: The Complete Aurora Guide: for Travelers and Photographers Dave on DIY Photography diyphotography.net Dave's Photographer Pick Kersten Luts: kerstenluts.com | @kerstenluts
So, funny story... I get people pitch themselves for my show very often. It's usually some bizarre pitch, for a subject matter that has zero to do with what my show actually is about. Sometimes it's the potential guest emailing me, and sometimes it's their "representative", but it's almost always some "motivational speaker" that wants to help my listeners. In almost every case, when someone pitches themself it's not a fit, until the other day on Twitter. I had tweeted that sometimes the onboarding process for guests can be.... difficult. I didn't mean that as a dig at my guests at all, just a statement that picking a shot, getting the stuff I need to write the show notes and blog post, and coordinating schedules can be time consuming. Well, I got a reply from Jesse Feyereisen saying  "If you ever want to chat with someone about Toy Photography, I’d be more than happy to talk!". As soon as I saw his name I knew who it was... we both have a connection to Platypod. I also already of his work, and he's fantastic! So today, I bring you the Elevated Toy Photography of Jesse Feyereisen. Calling Jesse a "Toy Photographer" doesn't really cover it. He is a photographer, graphic designer and digital creative based in Wisconsin. While he went to school for Visual Communications, and Television Production, he is sort of visual, jack of all trades, working on everything including websites, print ads, video, photography, and nearly anything digitally creative. At some point, his love of photography brought him to try all sorts of genres, from outdoors and wildlife, to astrophotography, macro, and product photography. When he "accidentally" discovered toy photography he instantly fell in love with it. Accidentally or not, his ability to bring toys to life in his photography ended up catching the attention of the folks at Platypod, and he is now a Platypod Pro. Join toy photographer, and Platypod Pro, Jesse Feyereisen and me as we look at how you can elevate your toy photography, on this Behind the Shot. Connect with Jesse Website: jessefphotography.com Instagram: @jessefeyereisen Facebook: @jessefeyereisen Twitter: @JesseFeyereisen YouTube: @jessefeyereisenphotography LinkedIn: linkedin.com Jesse's Print Shop: jessefeyereisen.smugmug.com Toy Photography Book for Charity Stop Wars: A collection of photos produced by over 50 Toy Photographers from across the globe: amazon.com Jesse's Photographer Pick Harry Nguyen: @_cinematoygrapher_ Steve's Whiskey Pick Barrel Craft Spirits - Vantage: barrellbourbon.com
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