Being Liminal

Being Liminal

Being Liminal is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business & Society today. Brian and Martin explore the mindsets and skills that are necessary to navigate a world that is undergoing increasing and ever-present flux, the limits organisations place on themselves by not acknowledging the liminality of change and the edges of todays systems where we find examples of how our futures could be - if we could just embrace liminal leadership. <br/><br/><a href="https://www.beingliminal.com?utm_medium=podcast">www.beingliminal.com</a>

Navigating Uncertainty

Liminality is about existing in transition, where uncertainty and ambiguity dominate. Innovation, at its core, is a liminal activity—organisations step away from established norms to explore new futures. But how comfortable are businesses with this uncertainty?In this episode, Richard Walzer joins us to discuss:* Why innovation is inherently liminal—leaving the known to explore possible futures* The pendulum swing of innovation—why businesses drift between embracing and resisting change* How future-back thinking can help leaders avoid stagnation* The tension between Perform (stability) and Transform (innovation) in organizations* What Apple, Pixar, and Xerox PARC teach us about the importance of balance* How leaders can become more comfortable with uncertainty instead of reacting to itAs Martin notes: “Liminality is going to be a very constant feature.” If businesses continue to treat change as an on/off switch, are they setting themselves up for failure?Episode Highlights02:00 — Innovation as a liminal state—stepping away from the known06:00 — Why businesses get stuck between the past and the future10:00 — The pendulum swing of change—why organizations abandon innovation15:00 — The 70/20/10 rule for balancing efficiency and transformation22:00 — What Future-Back Thinking means for long-term resilience35:00 — Why leadership struggles with ambiguity and liminal decision-making50:00 — Why balance is about perpetual motion, not stability💡 “The biggest challenge we have with businesses is they are generally laser-focused on what we are doing today.” – Richard WalzerFollow Richard on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-walzer-25140715Stay Connected:- Visit www.beingliminal.com for more episodes and to learn about the podcast.- Share your feedback, suggest future guests, or pose questions for upcoming episodes by reaching out through the website.- Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review Being Liminal on your favourite podcast platform! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

03-04
01:00:13

Liminal Thoughts: Are We Sleepwalking into a Creative Crisis?

A new format that we are trying out where one of us shares a shorter deep dive on a current topic - we are interested in your responses and thoughts on the topics in these shorter episodes and we will pick up on the topic together in our longer format sessions.In this episode of Being Liminal, I (Martin) explore the growing intersection of AI and creativity. The rise of AI-generated content is both fascinating and unsettling—offering new possibilities but also raising difficult questions about what it means to create, connect, and be human.One example that caught my attention is Virtually Parkinson—a digital recreation of the legendary broadcaster Michael Parkinson. It’s a remarkable technical achievement, yet something about it feels… incomplete. The rhythm, the unpredictability, the nuance of human conversation—missing. And that gap made me wonder:🔹 Are we heading towards a world where AI-generated content replaces human creativity?🔹 If creativity is about connection, what happens when future generations only experience art, music, and storytelling created by machines?🔹 How do we balance the commercial drivers of AI with the deeper cultural and human impact of creative work?Key Themes in This Episode✅ AI’s impact on creative industries—opportunities and risks✅ The blurred line between augmentation and replacement of human creativity✅ The business incentives behind AI-driven content and what they mean for the future✅ The potential long-term consequences on human connection and cultural identityWhy This MattersCreative work isn’t just about output—it shapes our society, challenges our thinking, and helps us make sense of the world. If we don’t recognise and measure its true value, we risk losing something irreplaceable.Join the ConversationWhat do you think—are we at risk of losing the human essence of creativity? Or will AI simply become another tool for expression? Let’s discuss. Share your thoughts in the comments or reach out on LinkedIn. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

02-10
26:17

Longwave Thinking – Thriving in Complex Systems

Longwave Thinking – Thriving in Complex SystemsPart 3 of 3 exploring three levels of disruption from Design Team to Wider SystemsIntroductionIn the final episode of our three-part series, we move beyond organisations to the broader systems that shape them. We discuss the extended cycles of disruption impacting society and business alike. From climate change to economic upheaval, we explore how leaders can adapt to and thrive in a world where uncertainty is the new normal.Key Takeaways• Limits vs. Limitless Growth: The clash between systemic sustainability and business incentives.• Navigating Disruption: Understanding and operating within prolonged instability.• Complex Systems Thinking: Recognizing interdependencies and building resilience.• Thriving in Liminality: Shifting mindsets to embrace opportunity amidst constraints.Stay Connected:- Visit www.beingliminal.com for more episodes and to learn about the podcast.- Share your feedback, suggest future guests, or pose questions for upcoming episodes by reaching out through the website.- Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review Being Liminal on your favourite podcast platform! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

12-20
59:46

Navigating Transformation – Organisational Blind Spots

Navigating Transformation – Organizational Blind SpotsPart 2 of 3 exploring three levels of disruption from Design Team to Wider SystemsIntroductionIn part two of our series, we zoom out to explore transformation at the organisational level. We discuss why businesses often repeat past mistakes, how continuous improvement and transformation intertwine, and the systemic blind spots that hinder meaningful change. If your organization struggles with delivering transformation that sticks, this episode is for you.Key Takeaways• Beyond Buzzwords: What transformation really means and how it differs from continuous improvement.• Systemic Failures: Why organizations fail to learn from past transformations.• Illusions of Control: The ripple effects of isolated decision-making.• Balancing Acts: The tension between short-term wins and long-term foundations for change.Stay Connected:- Visit www.beingliminal.com for more episodes and to learn about the podcast.- Share your feedback, suggest future guests, or pose questions for upcoming episodes by reaching out through the website.- Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review Being Liminal on your favourite podcast platform! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

12-16
48:31

Design's Woes Are a Symptom of Larger Business Challenges

Design's Woes Are a Symptom of Larger Business ChallengesPart 1 of 3 exploring three levels of disruption from Design Team to Wider SytemsIntroduction:In the first episode of this three-part series of Being Liminal, we begin at the team level, exploring why design often feels undervalued within organisations. We unpack how design’s challenges, from production-focused roles to mismatched values, reflect larger organisational struggles. If you’ve ever wondered why design sometimes feels like it’s stuck in a cycle of frustration, this episode is the perfect starting point.Key Takeaways:- Shifting Value of Design: Businesses are redefining the value of design, focusing more on production efficiency and less on strategic vision.- Leadership Changes: High-profile design leaders are leaving traditional roles, signaling shifts in organisational priorities.- Design as Part of the Production Chain: The integration of design into delivery models reflects a broader trend of aligning design efforts with measurable business outcomes.- Value Communication Gaps: Misaligned language and expectations between design teams and other business functions, especially around Values and what constitutes Value - exacerbate challenges.- A New Role for Designers: Designers must adapt by understanding business priorities and collaborating more effectively across disciplines.Stay Connected:- Visit www.beingliminal.com for more episodes and to learn about the podcast.- Share your feedback, suggest future guests, or pose questions for upcoming episodes by reaching out through the website.- Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review Being Liminal on your favourite podcast platform! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

12-09
42:44

Joe Macleod: Endineering - Designing Ends

Joe Macleod: Endineering - Designing EndsThis episode was recorded at the end of 2023 just before we took a hiatus in publishing. It is as relevant now as it was then but you may find references to current events of 2023. Our apologies but we did have some sound issues which we weren’t able to rectify - it doesn’t alter the content but you will hear a few seeming glitches in the matrix :-)Introduction:In this episode of Being Liminal, we are joined by Joe Macleod, author of Ends and Endineering. Together, we delve into the fascinating and often overlooked world of designing for endings. Joe shares insights on how businesses and consumers can rethink their relationship with product lifecycles, focusing on creating meaningful and sustainable endings. From circularity to corporate responsibility, this conversation explores how endings can drive innovation, transform industries and connect across different levels of system thinking. We particularly like how the consideration of Ends challenges standard Business and Product Model operating systems.Key Takeaways:• The Art of Ending: Businesses are great at onboarding customers but often fail to design meaningful offboarding experiences, missing opportunities for loyalty and brand equity.• Consumer Responsibility vs. Corporate Accountability: Joe highlights how companies subordinate the responsibility of product endings to consumers, creating challenges in recycling and waste management.• Circularity and Innovation: Examples from companies like Patagonia and Fairphone illustrate the power of integrating sustainability and endings into design processes.• Cultural Perspectives on Endings: Western consumerism’s disconnect from natural cycles contrasts with traditions in cultures like Japan, where endings are honored.• Future of Leadership: Understanding the impact that not addressing Ends is having, systemically in our world critically challenges business and institutional leadership to collaborate at a systems level to address shared challenges like sustainability.Guest Information:Joe Macleod is the founder of AndEnd and a pioneer in the field of end-focused design. As the author of Ends and Endineering, Joe’s work challenges traditional views on consumption, encouraging businesses to think beyond product lifecycles. His expertise has influenced global brands and sparked important conversations on sustainability and responsibility in design.Ends ebookhttps://www.smashwords.com/books/view/74426725% off discount code: NCKEVEndineering ebookhttps://www.smashwords.com/books/view/111688325% off discount code: NCKEVEndineering training course. Starts Jan 14th.https://learn.endineering.co/courses/endineering-course-cohort-11-starts-Jan-14th25% off discount code: 25offendscohortStay Connected:• Visit Being Liminal for past episodes, guest bios, and insights.• Connect with Joe Macleod and explore his work on AndEnd.- Share your feedback, suggest future guests, or pose questions for upcoming episodes by reaching out through the website.• Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review the podcast to help others find us! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

12-05
01:02:46

Ben Reason: Embracing a Sense of Place, Edge Thinking and Systemic Change in the Anthropocene

Ben Reason, one of the early pioneers of Service Design and co-founder of the boundary pushing agency Livework joins Martin and Brian for a thoughtful discussion on navigating the liminal spaces and the systemic changes that are shaping our world as we know it.  Ben's thought-leadership on designing in the Anthropocene was the stimulus for recording this conversation but it builds on the work of many other thinkers in this space.We challenge the allure of scale, examining the benefits of diversity and decentralization over a singular homogeneous approach to moving society forward. Ben references the current state of disruption - such as Florida's housing crisis and California's recurring wildfires - and the role of technology in scaling alternative systems while we also explore the advantages of devolved and decentralised power highlighting the political and human factors that drive change and the current systems that may stifle it.The conversation also spotlights the evolution of design and its profound impact on companies today. From exploring the digital mindset and the emergence of in-house design to the geopolitical influences that shape design practices, our conversation covers an array of topics - all of which are linked when you zoom out from the detail. Finally, we investigate the challenges of designing in a more life-centered way and how design can serve as an instrument in addressing these challenges.  We hope you enjoy this reflective conversation with Ben and find some useful and interesting jumping off points for your own exploration of Liminal thinking.Livework: https://liveworkstudio.com/Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/breasy/Design for the Anthropocene:https://www.slideshare.net/Livework/design-for-the-anthropocene-252901562Being LiminalIs a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadely as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.beingliminal.comApple:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDoMartin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

11-28
01:12:33

Bethany Jarroussié - Navigating change as a leader while supporting transformation

In this episode Brian and Martin are in conversation with Bethany Jarroussié. Bethany is on the design leadership team at BP and her career as a design leader has seen her   take on distinctly non-design type activities.  It's a conversation that covers, how, if we're honest about the nature of   transformation, it can be very unpredictable, and with that comes a need to create psychological safety for teams. There are great examples of leaders who created the environments in which it's okay to learn while doing with the inevitable discomfort and at times crashes that can come  with this. You'll hear about Bethany's own journey into the world of work, which she describes  as not traditional.  She reflects on how that has had an impact on her as a leader and her leadership style, and her support for and the importance of social mobility. For those of you are following along with other episodes, you'll find a connection here between some of what Ola Gwozdz discusses,  That the leaders that will be able to take us through the nature of the transformations that are ahead of us - will have  had experiences themselves of having to deal with their own personal liminality.You'll find that Bethany draws deeply on this in nuanced conversation with deeply personal perspective on leadership. Bethany on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethanyjarroussieBeing Liminal Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadely as they develop the content that will form their new book: Liminal Leaders. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.beingliminal.comApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDoMartin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

11-07
57:11

Ola Gwozdz: A Data Philosopher's perspective on Identity, Leadership, and Change

In this episode Brian and I are in conversation with Ola Gwozdz, a listener who reached out to share her perspective and we realised we just had to bring into our exploration.  Ola helps us delve into the intricacies of identity, power dynamics, and the transformative potential of liminal spaces.  She describes herself as a Data Philosopher, a concept and articulation I find fascinating – using data not just as raw information but a medium or lens to understand and interpret deeper societal and human issues, behaviours and global societal shifts.  She philosophises about the implications, meanings and narratives that data can reveal.  We discuss the challenges posed by some of those global shifts like AI and climate change, Ola reflects on the feelings of lost control experienced by many in today's rapidly changing landscape. Yet, amidst the complexities, she finds a glimmer of hope in the quiet voices championing new ways of thinking. she emphasizes the significance of timing in the emergence of new ideas and the role of identity in various communities  Our conversation also touches on the irony for her and for Brian & I of exploring liminal spaces, noting how such exploration can turn our own personal journey into a reflection of those very spaces.  This conversation really digs into the changing nature of leadership and the power of liminality – we’re really looking forward to hearing what you got out of this conversation… Links:Ola Gwozdz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olagwozdz/Being Liminal Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadley as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.beingliminal.com Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDoMartin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

10-16
01:02:30

Andy Thornton: Navigating Change with Regenerative Design and Leadership

Do you ever wonder how your organization can embrace change and thrive in the face of uncertainty? Join us on a journey into the world of regenerative design and leadership with our guest, Andy Thornton, the Head of Regenerative Design at the RSA - The Royal Society of Arts, Commerce, and Manufacturing. We explore design and systems thinking, discuss the importance of courage in leadership, and peel back the layers of an ever-evolving organisational landscape. Andy's expertise paints a fresh and crucial perspective on these subject matters, which is pushing the boundaries of what Brian and I are exploring in our research for Liminal Leaders.Our conversation takes us through some of the intricacies of systems thinking and its pivotal role in driving paradigm shifts. Andy references Donella Meadows' leverage points and discusses how to effectively intervene in a system for maximum impact. Andy highlights how the RSA has molded its vision through research, influential connections, and experimentation, and how design thinking can guide us through the uncertain waters of change. We dive into the challenge of getting people to leap into the unknown and how design thinking can be instrumental in navigating this complexity. As we journey further, we dissect the role and evolution of design throughout history, its impact on business and society, and its potential in shaping ethical outcomes. The conversation opens up discussions on the challenges and opportunities in regenerative business, and how design can be used to alter narratives for a more prospering society. This episode concludes with some thought-provoking discussions on the importance of leadership in driving change and stepping into the unknown. So, gear up for an enlightening discourse on regenerative business models and systems thinking that promises to challenge and stretch your perspective on leadership and design.Being LiminalIs a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadely as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.beingliminal.com Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

09-23
01:14:42

Leaning into Liminality - Reflecting on a necessary Pivot with the Podcast

"The One where Brian and Martin realise they haven't been very 'liminal' in their approach to researching liminality"In response to both Listener and Guest feedback as well as some of our own reflection on what we've learnt so far from our guests  - this episode is a moment for us to reflect on our need to pivot our approach to the research and exploration that we are doing.  We said we would do this in the open and part of that means recognising and leaning into when you might have been about to head off in the wrong direction.  Ahead of the forthcoming episodes with Andy Thornton from the RSA and Ola Gwozdz - Data Philosopher, we discuss how we've had to shift our perspective on where to take the podcast next in order to stay true to our exploration of leadership in Liminal Spaces.  Far from our initial framing of  liminality in business transformation alone, this episode discusses our need to recognise and explore first of all  that we all traverse through liminal phases at different junctures of our lives. As we open up about this newfound perspective, the conversation takes a interesting turn  where we discuss the constraints that structures can impose, hindering decision-making and suppressing innovation. Change is a constant, but navigating it can be a herculean task. This episode forces us to look at a fresh approach to change, as we delve into 'abundant edges' and how those who thrive amidst chaos are often the most adaptable to new insights. We also indulge ourselves with engging parallels between Isaac Asimov's Foundation series and our  conversations with Andy from the RSA. Wrapping up the  episode, we broach the subject of success metrics and their potential misalignment. Is exceeding expectations always a success? Or does true transformation originate from the margins? We explore these thought-provoking questions, and share our take on the need for a paradigm shift in our thinking. Hopefully this sets a transitional scene for the episodes yet to come.  As always we'd welcome your feedback.Being Liminal Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadley as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: http://www.beingliminal.com/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

09-05
43:37

Clive Grinyer : The Future of Design Education as a Catalyst for Transformation in Business

How do you leverage a moment of potential transformation?  How do you support fundamental change in an organisation that sees the need but doesn't know how to realise it? In our discussion with Professor Clive Grinyer, Head of Service Design at the Royal College of Art, we challenge the notion that organisations don't want to change and discuss how design can be a crucial catalyst for business transformation. We delve into the mindset gap that executive leadership are asking for help to bridge, and how the RCA is training service designers of the future to become the catalyst for change in those organisations.Ever wondered about the integral role of service design in strategic change? Our conversation with Clive takes you on a journey tracing the evolution of service design from product design, marketing, and customer experience. Discover how design influences human decision-making and how crucial tools like visualization, experimentation, and prototyping shape strategic changes. We emphasize how important it is for designers to have a champion to help position design further upstream in the process.Moving towards the future of design and design education, we confront the British culture's fear of creativity and its implications for potential design leaders. We also address a growing concern - the overly production level focus of Design, and yet, the significant yet unmeasured impact they can potentially have on businesses. Join us for a session filled with thought-provoking insights - a must-listen for anyone interested in design, leadership, and business transformation.To find out more about the RCA and the Service Design course Clive leads:https://www.rcaservicedesign.com/To find out more about Clive, his experience and how to contact him:https://www.clivegrinyer.com/Being Liminal Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadley as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: http://www.beingliminal.com/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

08-07
52:32

Cennydd Bowles: Decoding Ethical Challenges in Business Transformation

What if you could transform your business while also putting ethics at the forefront? That's exactly what we tackle in our conversation with Cennydd Bowles, a designer and technologist turned ethicist, and author of Future Ethics. Cennydd sheds light on the importance of weaving ethics into the fabric of transformation and how ‘designed futures’ can help uncover potential harms. In an age where technology overwhelmingly shapes our experiences, we touch on the philosophical underpinnings of utilitarianism, deontology, and virtue ethics - and how these frameworks can guide our decision-making processes. We particularly discuss how AI and machine learning often lean towards a utilitarian approach and what that signifies. Moreover, we delve into the imminent ethical dilemmas that leaders in transformation programs might come across and how to make 'ethics' more digestible for businesses.We also navigate the landscape of design and its impact on technologists, exploring how they can foresee the implications of their work. We throw light on how designers can reclaim their craftsmanship in today's commoditized world and the ethical repercussions of this shift. From discussing the role of design systems to the influence of generative AI on digital product design, we leave no stone unturned. Finally, we discuss practical tools that businesses can use to anticipate the effects of their decisions, and how a risk management program can help assess the severity of risks and recalibrate their mission statement to mirror their intent rooted in values.Join us as we endeavor to translate ethical values into operational principles and help businesses navigate the ethics labyrinth.Cennydd Bowles Personal WebsiteCennydd on LinkedInCennydd's Book - Future Ethics - sample chapter and links to where you can buy the bookLiminal Leaders Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadely as they develop the content that will form their new book: Liminal Leaders. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.liminalleaders.com Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/liminal-leaders/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

07-17
01:05:44

Maria Giudice - Unleashing the Changemaker Within: The role of Creativity in Leaders of Change & Transformation

What if the superpowers needed to navigate today's complex world were already within us? That's what we discovered in our fascinating conversation with Maria Giudice, co-author of "Changemakers," as we discussed the evolving nature of leadership in business transformation and the innate qualities designers possess that make them powerful agents of change. Maria shares her insights on the importance of embracing change agency, risk-taking, intuition, systems thinking, and people-centered approaches to tackle the challenges of our increasingly complex world.We also explored the complexities of driving change in organizations that may not be prepared for it and the importance of setting realistic expectations and goals. With Maria's expertise, we delved into the value of having an executive champion to support you through resistance, and the time and resources it takes to create lasting cultural change. Reflecting on the progress made, we acknowledged that culture change often takes years to take hold but is essential for organizational success.Lastly, we discussed the evolving relationship between design and business, and the potential of designers to be leaders in this interconnected world. Maria shared her experiences of creating organizational change at Autodesk and the importance of fostering empathy and compassion for those with different goals and perspectives. We touched on the shift from the traditional 'rock star' leader to a more inclusive and collaborative approach, and how social activism plays a role in driving change. Join us for this enlightening episode as we learn from Maria's experience and discover our own potential to create meaningful change in the world.You can connect with Maria on LinkedIn:On LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariagiudiceOn Twitter - @mgiudiceOn Instagram - @mgiudiceand you can pick up her book atRosenfeld Mediahttps://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/changemakers/or Maria's Amazon link:https://a.co./d/gAx1NHfBeing LiminalIs a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadley as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.beingliminal.comApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

06-25
01:12:25

Sheryl Cababa - Beyond Individual Use: Expanding Design Horizons with Systems Thinking

What if you could elevate your design skills by incorporating systems thinking? We had the pleasure of discussing this fascinating approach with the brilliant Sheryl Cababa, author of "Closing the Loop." Sheryl shares her expertise in design, research, and strategy, providing valuable insights into her journey as a design leader. Whether you are a design, product, technology or business leader - don't miss this opportunity to learn from Sheryl's vast experience in applying systems thinking to various contexts.In our conversation, we explore the role of designers as facilitators in systems thinking, drawing from Sheryl's work on projects like a grocery pickup system. We discuss the challenges designers often face in being part of decision-making processes earlier on and how they can challenge preconceptions about their relevance to these conversations. We also delve into how systems thinking shifts the focus from individual use to broader contexts and the importance of understanding the system before implementing any changes.Lastly, we navigate the differences between cloud and clock problems in design, the challenges of applying an engineering mindset to cloud problems, and the potential barriers caused by incentivizing employees to maintain the status quo. Sheryl shares her insights on how external pressures can lead to internalized needs for certainty, and we explore the connection between what is being measured and the outcomes we desire. Tune in and discover how systems thinking can be applied in the world of design and beyond.You can get a copy of Sheryl's book 'Systems Thinking for Designers' at Rosenfeld Media with the Discount code: cababa-liminalleadershttps://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/systems-thinking-for-designers/ and get in touch with her on:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherylcababa/  Twitter: @sherylcababa (though she doesn't check Twitter too often)Being Liminal Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadley as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.beingliminal.com Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/liminal-leaders/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

06-04
01:05:27

Designing Transformation: How ESG, Data, and Purpose are driving Business Transformation

What does it take for businesses to adapt to the rapidly changing expectations on their role in society and what will it mean for how we Design, Build and Lead business of the future? In this first full episode of Liminal Leaders Brian & I dive right into ESG as an example of a force for change in the way business interpret their purpose in Society.   We even dive back into histories of companies like Scottish Widows and Bank of Scotland, and their long-standing commitment to supporting their communities as examples of companies and industries that have deeper roots in build a better society than we may give them credit for today.Together, we explore how investment, regulations, and purpose are driving business transformation, and how design can be a crucial facilitator of change in these systems.Our conversation surfaces the necessity of a systems and design thinking mindsets in mapping ecosystems and establishing relationships within organisations. We also touch on the value of data and its role in informing business decisions, while highlighting the challenges faced by startups in adapting to different systems and regulations. We discuss the importance of considering externalities when making decisions, and how design and data can work hand-in-hand to help organizations understand their impact on the world. The conversation is broad and deep at the same time, setting the tone for a wide range of topics we shall be covering on Liminal Leaders, essential questions about the future of how we build and lead business in the future.Liminal Leaders Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadely as they develop the content that will form their new book: Liminal Leaders. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: www.liminalleaders.com Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/liminal-leaders/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

06-04
01:26:00

An Introduction to Being Liminal - Episode Zero

Welcome to Being Liminal -this short episode is an overview of what we're hoping to achieve with the podcast.  Because we are also researching and writing a book through this podcast - Episode Zero will set the scene and theme for the episodes that follow which will jump around between topics as we conduct our research. We'd also really appreciate your initial thoughts, ideas and questions that come up from listening into this episode to help us shape our future guest list and discussions.Being LiminalIs a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadley as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: http://www.beingliminal.com/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.beingliminal.com

06-04
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