Believer: A Paranormal Mystery

Lara checks her voicemail. The first episode of BELIEVER premieres in March 2020. For more information, see www.believerpodcast.com or follow @believerpod on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. CAST Lara: Julie Saunders (@ohmissjulie) Rose: Mara Hernandez (@its_marahernandez) Music from https://filmmusic.io"Spacial Winds" by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com)License: CC BY (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/) Sound effects from Adobe Stock and Freesound:  https://freesound.org/s/348078/ https://freesound.org/s/320726/ https://freesound.org/s/250191/

Lara Campbell used to believe in ghosts - though she will pretend to believe in them for money. When her ex-girlfriend goes missing in a strange town in Oregon, though, she might just have to rethink everything she thought she knew. Believer is a scripted fiction podcast about ghosts, cryptids, cosmic entities, and the one woman who denies them all. Season one premieres on March 3, 2020. For more information, go to BelieverPodcast.com. The transcript for this trailer is available here. CREDITS Lara: Julie Saunders Rose: Mara Hernandez  Jake: Jason Markoff Camille: Sara Gorsky Mayor Terri Boone: Rosa Delgado Reverend Mitchell Boone: David Pinion Sodapop the Dog: Basil Archimedes Hornberger Cult chanting courtesy of the Saunders and Parshall families. Theme song by Aaron Ferenc. Sound effects: Elk bugle: https://freesound.org/s/250191/ All other sfx for this episode from Adobe Stock. Music from https://filmmusic.io"Industrial Music Box" by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com)License: CC BY (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/) Season one sponsor: Saunders & Associates LLC

Fake psychic Lara Campbell travels to Charity, Oregon to check on her ex-girlfriend, Rose. This is the first episode of the season, and the best place to start listening. REMASTERED as of October 13, 2020! The transcript for this episode is available here. For episode notes, cast and crew information, or to support the show, please visit BelieverPodcast.com. CONTENT NOTES This episode contains discussions of child death, grief, and manipulation. There are also loud knocking sounds, squishy noises, and dog whining/barking (which may cause dogs to react if played over speakers). CREDITS Cast (in order of appearance): Lara Campbell - Julie Saunders Rose Boone - Mara Hernandez Deborah Lee - Jenna Saunders Rev. Mitchell Boone - David Pinion Kathy Petersen - Laura Baggett Sodapop, World's Greatest Dog - Archie Jake Talbott - Jason Markoff Mayor Terri Boone - Rosa Delgado Written, Directed, and Produced by Julie Saunders Remastered and sound designed by David Weaver Theme song composed by Aaron Ferenc Sound Credits: Dog sniffing: https://freesound.org/people/ivolipa/sounds/260248/ More dog sounds: https://freesound.org/people/170084/sounds/408200/ Dog running: https://freesound.org/people/15GPanskaBokstefflova_Nicola/sounds/461521/ Dog yawn: https://freesound.org/people/jinxycat49/sounds/490164/ Dog shake: https://freesound.org/people/giddster/sounds/435368/ Clock: https://freesound.org/people/straget/sounds/405423/ Mitchell’s machines: https://freesound.org/people/nofeedbak/sounds/21869/ EKG alarm: https://freesound.org/people/guitarguy1985/sounds/65401/ Misc: Audio Drama Network Hub Misc: Adobe Stock Lara's phone's voice was generated at https://filmmusic.io/voiceovers The ending song was "Lucky Charm," by Mimi Oleson, courtesy of Epidemic Sound. This episode was sponsored by Saunders & Associates LLC

***OUT OF UNIVERSE*** The next episode of Believer comes out next week, but in the meantime, Julie is here to read an excerpt from Fred Beck's classic memoir, I FOUGHT THE APEMEN OF MT. SAINT HELENS, WA. You'll never guess what it's about. The full text of Beck's book can be found on BigfootEncounters.com. A transcript of this episode is available here. CONTENT NOTE This episode contains gunshot sounds. ADDITIONAL CREDITSMusic for this episode all came from Epidemic Sound: Desert Hideout by Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen Diffusion Echo by Ethan Sloan Partners in Crime by Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen SFX for chest thumps from Freesound. All other SFX and ambient sound from Adobe Stock.

Lara goes on a Squatch Walk, which leads to an...unusual discovery. Sodapop proves much more helpful than local law enforcement. If this is your first time listening, go back to Episode 1: "Charity," and start there. This is a REMASTERED version of this episode, with additional sound design by David Weaver. The transcript for this episode is available here. For bios, credits, and more information, visit BelieverPodcast.com CONTENT NOTES Wild animal death, illness, hospitalization, discussions of public health, gaslighting. CREDITS CAST Dr. Penelope Simmons - Samantha Ronceros Lara Campbell - Julie Saunders Jake Talbott - Jason Markoff Guy Who Can't Find Keys - Brett Saunders Camille Simmons - Sara Gorsky Mayor Terri Boone - Rosa Delgado Sheriff Tate - Regen Wilson Rose Boone - Mara Hernandez Sodapop, World's Greatest Dog - Basil Archimedes Hornberger (Archie) MUSIC Intro: “Julie’s Melody,” by Aaron Ferenc Thought music: “Altostratus,” by Franz Gordon Outro music: “All More,” by Lax Superlative SFX Dog in leaves: https://freesound.org/people/cognito%20perceptu/sounds/83156/ Dog running: https://freesound.org/people/acclivity/sounds/74518/ Snap: https://freesound.org/people/Snapper4298/sounds/177495/ Bell: https://freesound.org/people/skirton101/sounds/494565/ Panting: https://freesound.org/people/keweldog/sounds/181767/ Dog yawn: https://freesound.org/people/jinxycat49/sounds/490164/ Dog shake: https://freesound.org/people/giddster/sounds/435368/ All others from Adobe Stock Next episode is due March 31st. In the meantime, listen to Under the Shroud, a supernatural noir audio drama about a half-demon taxi driver for Baltimore's underworld.

We find out more about the night the sky fell down on Charity - and learn some of Lara and Rose's backstory. If this is your first time listening, go back to Episode 1: "Charity," and start there. For bios, transcripts, and more information, visit BelieverPodcast.com CONTENT NOTES Grief; familial loss; grating, high-pitched noises. CREDITS CAST Rose Boone - Mara Hernandez The Boys - Eliseo Velasquez, John Gifford, Enrique Garnica Lara Campbell - Julie Saunders Jake Talbott - Jason Markoff Mayor Terri Boone - Rosa Delgado Camille Simmons - Sara Gorsky Dr. Penelope Simmons - Samantha Ronceros Sodapop, World's Greatest Dog - Basil Archimedes Hornberger (Archie) CREW Composer - Aaron Ferenc Written, Directed, Produced, Edited by Julie Saunders MUSIC "Julie's Melody," by Aaron Ferenc "Retrouvailles," by Ooyy "Under My Oak Tree," by Johannes Bornlof "Obsessions (Instrumental Version)", by Can't Find Ollie Music not composed by Aaron Ferenc was found on Epidemic Sound. SFX Supplemental dog sounds: https://freesound.org/people/ivolipa/sounds/260248/ https://freesound.org/people/170084/sounds/408200/ https://freesound.org/people/15GPanskaBokstefflova_Nicola/sounds/461521/ https://freesound.org/people/jinxycat49/sounds/490164/ https://freesound.org/people/giddster/sounds/435368/ All other ambient and sound effects from Adobe Stock.

Lara investigates the twisted, apocalyptic sermons of Reverend Mitchell Boone. Things get...weird. If this is your first time listening, go back to episode 1.01 - Charity and start there. The transcript for this episode is available at BelieverPodcast.com. This week’s podcast recommendation is Crypto Z, a brand new show from Euphonie Media. CONTENT NOTES Apocalyptic Christian rhetoric, including scripture and hymn quotations Mild language Dog whiny noises Cult content and behavior Hallucinations and visual/auditory distortions Respiratory distress Sleepwalking CAST Rev. Mitchell Boone - David Pinion Sheriff Tate - Regen Wilson Dr. Penelope Simmons - Samantha Ronceros Camille Simmons - Sara Gorsky Lara Campbell - Julie Saunders SodaPop - Archie Cult Chanters - the Saunders, Parshall, and Meeks families CREW Written, Directed, Sound Designed by Julie Saunders Theme song composed by Aaron Ferenc Emotional support provided by Seth Ellsworth MUSIC “Julie’s Melody (Believer Theme),” by Aaron Ferenc “We Will Be All,” by Julie Saunders “Eternal Moment,” by Farrell Wooten “Psalm 1001,” by Isobel O’Connor “Lo How a Rose E’er Blooming,” Traditional “The Perfectionist,” by Brightarm Orchestra SFX Camera sound: https://freesound.org/people/pooky1/sounds/431588/ Adobe Stock Audio Fiction Hub

The inaugural episode of SQUATCH TALK, recorded in Jake Talbott’s living room. In this episode, Jake’s friend and prospective co-host, Abe Ramirez, brings Sasquatch questions and sightings from across the Oregon Bigfoot Highway. What is Bigfoot? Could he be an alien? A protector? Dare we say, a friend? Find out all this and more on SQUATCH TALK! The transcript for this episode is available here. See research notes and further reading at BelieverPodcast.com Due to recording delays from, well, everything, the main storyline of BELIEVER is going on hiatus. Please stay subscribed for bonus content (including spin-off and prequel episodes) as well as regular show recommendations and resources for self-care and activism. If you enjoyed Squatch Talk, you’ll love King Falls AM. CONTENT NOTES Strong language Harm to wild animals Dissociative behavior CAST Jake Talbott - Jason Markoff Abe Ramirez - Enrique Garnica Bill - Mark Fossen Ben - Zichi Calhoun Sheila - April Fossen Rose Boone - Mara Hernandez Dr. Penelope Simmons - Samantha Ronceros MUSIC “Julie’s Melody (Believer Theme),” by Aaron Ferenc “C-Four,” by Deskant “Obsessions (Instrumental Version), by Can’t Find Ollie

Surprise! A bonus short story featuring SodaPop, World’s Greatest Dog. But first, announcements: Believer has merchandise! Check out the teepublic store here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/believer-podcast And a Patreon! Join for discounted merch, bonus material, and more at https://www.patreon.com/believerpodcast Nominate us for an Audioverse Award! More information available here: https://believerpodcast.com/fyc  Parts two and three of this episode are available to Patreon supporters now. Otherwise, you’ll see them on the next few Tuesdays. A transcript of this episode is available here. CONTENT NOTES (for entire three-part story) Live dog and cat sounds Harm to wild animals Mild harm to humans Abandonment Dread Inexplicable pain   CREDITS Voice performers Archie as “SodaPop” Lulu as “Barn cat” Julie Saunders as “Narrator” Production Crew Written, edited, and sound designed by Julie Saunders Cat wrangling by Seth Ellsworth “Believer Theme (Julie’s Melody)” composed by Aaron Ferenc Music from Epidemic Sound “Our Days of Bliss,” by Alice Spence “A Classic Noir,” by David Celeste “Campfire Tails,” by Brendon Moeller “Catch Me Later,” by Kikoru “Wandering Nomad,” by Cody Francis   CONNECT WITH US! Website: https://believerpodcast.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/believerpod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/believerpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/believerpod

Part Two of SodaPop's solo adventure. In which there are many more bad squirrels. This is a single-narrator bonus story set after the events of episode 4 - and if you haven't listened to Part One yet, you should probably go back an episode. A transcript of this episode is available here. Believer has merchandise! Check out the teepublic store here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/believer-podcast And a Patreon! Join for discounted merch, bonus material, and more at https://www.patreon.com/believerpodcast Nominate us for an Audioverse Award! More information available here: https://believerpodcast.com/fyc  The complete version of this episode are available to Patreon supporters now! Otherwise, you’ll see part three on Tuesday.   CONTENT NOTES (for entire three-part story) Live dog and cat sounds Harm to wild animals Mild harm to humans Abandonment Confusion / disorientation Dread Inexplicable pain   CREDITS   Voice performers Archie as “SodaPop” Lulu as “Barn cat” Julie Saunders as “Narrator”   Production Crew Written, edited, and sound designed by Julie Saunders Cat wrangling by Seth Ellsworth “Believer Theme (Julie’s Melody)” composed by Aaron Ferenc   Music from Epidemic Sound “Endeavor,” by Jakob Ahlbom “Chapter 13,” by Nihoni “Lost Without You (Instrumental Version),” by Duty Division   CONNECT WITH US! Website: https://believerpodcast.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/believerpod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/believerpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/believerpod

The CONCLUSION of SodaPop's solo story. The darkness deepens, and the sun comes up. A transcript of this episode is available here. CONTENT NOTES (for entire three-part story) Live dog and cat sounds Harm to wild animals Mild harm to humans Abandonment Confusion / disorientation Dread Inexplicable pain Believer has merchandise! Check out the teepublic store here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/believer-podcast And a Patreon! Join for discounted merch, bonus material, and more at https://www.patreon.com/believerpodcast Nominate us for an Audioverse Award! More information available here: https://believerpodcast.com/fyc  CREDITS Voice performers Archie as “SodaPop” Lulu as “Barn cat” Julie Saunders as “Narrator” Production Crew Written, edited, and sound designed by Julie Saunders Cat wrangling by Seth Ellsworth “Believer Theme (Julie’s Melody)” composed by Aaron Ferenc Music from Epidemic Sound: “Old Country Serenade,” by These Old Bones “Campfire Tails,” by Brendon Moeller “Three Wishes,” by Rune Dale “In the Witness’s Eyes,” by Christian Andersen “Chapter 13,” by Nihoni “Worlds Apart,” by Rannar Sillard “Me and My Kite,” by Bonnie Grace “Closer Than Two of a Kind,” by Jaydan Talley (ending song)   CONNECT WITH US! Website: https://believerpodcast.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/believerpod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/believerpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/believerpod

A BELIEVER PREQUEL: Set approximately 4 years before the events of season one, Lara pairs with Rose for the very first time in order to deal with an entity that’s been split into two. Deep in the Oregon Caves, Lara diligently applies scientific methods that never seem to stick, while at the Corwin Lake House, Rose attempts direct contact and finds much more than she anticipated. Can they solve the mystery and survive the night - without hating each other?  The transcript for this episode is available here. Want to support the show? Visit the Believer merch store, check out our Patreon, or leave a review wherever you found this episode!   CONTENT NOTES Strong language Loud, high-pitched sounds Claustrophobia Occultism, Devils, and Demons Homophobia   CREDITS Voice Performers Mara Hernandez as Rose Boone John Gifford as Ranger Nick Julie Saunders as Lara Campbell Production Crew Written, directed, and produced by Julie Saunders Sound design by David Weaver and Julie Saunders “Believer Theme (Julie’s Melody)” composed by Aaron Ferenc Music from Epidemic Sound:  “Harlig Ar Jorden (Organ Version)” - Kurt Lyndon “Heal With Me” - Jay Varton “Praise the Fearful” - Christian Andersen “The Perfectionist” - Brightarm Orchestra SFX: Fingers drumming Car sounds: https://freesound.org/people/zimbot/sounds/203072/ Car trunk: https://freesound.org/people/jrssandoval/sounds/67148/ Phone unlock: https://freesound.org/people/thegoose09/sounds/125384/ Walkie-talkie: https://freesound.org/people/JustinBW/sounds/70107/ Card shuffle: https://freesound.org/people/empraetorius/sounds/201253/ Card flip: https://freesound.org/people/f4ngy/sounds/240776/ Blue Jay: https://freesound.org/people/inchadney/sounds/201626/ Birds: https://freesound.org/people/cognito%20perceptu/sounds/57907/ Rockslide: https://freesound.org/people/juskiddink/sounds/77931/ Bible verses read by Max McLean, from The Listener’s Bible.

NEW EPISODES premiere this Halloween. Watch this space or join the Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/believerpodcast. Voice acting and sound design for this teaser by Julie Saunders. Content Warnings: Human crying, breathing, distress sounds Animal cries and roars Sound effects from Adobe Stock, Epidemic Sound, and Soundsnap.  

Happy Indigenous People's Day! Enjoy this preview episode from The Historical Natives, a horror-themed podcast about Native American history, culture, and folklore. Follow The Historical Natives and check out their full-length Sasquatch episode on November 30, 2021! BUT FIRST, Julie talks about Indigenous horror writers for like 5 minutes. [0.00 - 5:24] - Julie chat [5:25 - End] - The Historical Natives - Coast Salish - Sasquatch BOOKS RECOMMENDED: The Only Good Indians, by Stephen Graham Jones Into The Forest And All The Way Through, by Cynthia Pelayo Grass Dancer (from Tribal Scream) and Coyote Rage, by Owl Goingback Elatsoe, by Darcie Little Badger The Marrow Thieves, by Cherie Dimaline Taaqtumi: An Anthology of Arctic Horror Stories, by Aviaq Johnston, Richard Van Camp, Rachel Qitsualik-Tinsley, Seaan Qitsualik-Tinsley, and Thomas Anguti Johnston MUSIC: Julie's preamble Taking Me High, Taking Me Low (Instrumental Version) - Gold Flow My Brother - Yi Nantiro Intro to Historical Natives Episode: Eerie Music Box 2 - Natalie000 Background: People: Daniel Birch - Indigo Shore DooDoo - Unknown Background: Being: Haunted Woods - Dark Music Radio Silence - Dark Music Background: Call to Action: Creepy Night - Astrofreq Story Intro: Samuel Francis Johnson - Creepy Ambient Outro of Episode: AQUI - Charles Michel

Happy Halloween! This is our first episode back from hiatus, and we're very excited to be here. Lara wakes up in the headquarters of Reverend Boone's cult - but will she be able to leave? Featuring a special trailer for Elaine's Cooking For the Soul, a podcast featuring our very own Rosa Delgado as the host of a post-apocalyptic cooking show. Find them on social media @ElainesCooking or check them out on Spotify. Transcript for this episode is available at BelieverPodcast.com. CONTENT NOTES Cults Imprisonment Illness, sounds of medical equipment Hallucinations Loud noises, knocking sounds, dog sounds Written, Directed, and Produced by Julie Saunders. Sound Design by Ester Ellis. CAST Sara Gorsky - Camille Julie Saunders - Lara Rosa Delgado - Terri Boone David Pinion - Reverend Boone Samantha Ronceros - Doctor Simmons Mara Hernandez - Rose Seth Ellsworth - Marcus/Juniper Archie - SodaPop MUSIC Aaron Ferenc - "Julie's Melody (Believer Theme)" Jay Varton - "Eye For Detail" Christian Andersen - "The Lure" Walt Adams - "Devil in a Can" Music tracks (besides Believer Theme) courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Phone voice generated at: https://filmmusic.io/voiceovers Sponsored by Zencastr, an online recording and podcasting platform. Click this link or go to Zencastr.com and enter promo code "believer" for 30% off your pro plan.

Things don’t go quite how Lara imagined. A transcript for this episode is available here. CONTENT NOTES Gaslighting/denial of reality Alcohol use Animal sounds CAST Rose - Mara Herndandez Camille - Sara Gorsky Lara - Julie Saunders Jake - Jason Markoff Sodapop - Archie Written, Directed, Sound Designed by Julie Saunders MUSIC “Julie’s Melody (Believer Theme),” by Aaron Ferenc “Piercing Silence,” by Ethan Sloan “Death at First Sight,” by Edward Karl Hanson “No One Knows But Me,” by Torii Wolf Sound Effects from Adobe Stock, Epidemic Sound, Soundsnap, and Freesound.org Sponsored by Zencastr. Zencastr records high-quality audio for multiple participants, on different tracks for easy editing. You can also record video and even do all of your editing within Zencastr itself. Click this link or go to Zencastr.com and enter promo code "believer" for 30% off your pro plan. Do you like the background music we use on Believer? Nearly all of it comes from Epidemic Sound. If you want to check it out yourself, use our referral link and we’ll get a free month of music when you subscribe.

Lara gets some medical attention. A transcript of this episode is available at this link on BelieverPodcast.com CONTENT NOTES Car noises (including horns and sirens) Violence Medical abuse, equipment sounds Harm to wild animals Delusional behavior CAST Jake - Jason Markoff Lara - Julie Saunders Doctor Simmons - Samantha Simmonds Ronceros Mayor Terri Boone - Rosa Delgado Sheriff Tate - Regen Wilson Rose - Mara Hernandez Sodapop - Archie Written and directed by Julie Saunders Sound designed by Ester Ellis and Julie Saunders MUSIC “Julie’s Melody (Believer Theme),” by Aaron Ferenc "Born Sinister," by Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen “Reverse," by Silver Maple Sound Effects from Adobe Stock, Epidemic Sound, Soundsnap, and Freesound.org Check out Tunnels! Tunnels is a serialized audiodrama about the mysterious tunnels that can be found underneath a small town in Georgia. Their series finale is out now. Sponsored by Zencastr, an online recording and podcasting platform. Click this link or go to Zencastr.com and enter promo code "believer" for 30% off your pro plan. Do you like the background music we use on Believer? Nearly all of it comes from Epidemic Sound. If you want to check it out yourself, use our referral link and we’ll get a free month of music when you subscribe.

Rose leaves a message for Lara. Transcripts for all episodes are available at BelieverPodcast.com. CONTENT NOTES: Car horns, medical alerts, beeps and alarms Emetophobia Respiratory Distress Death Hallucinations, delusions, and general loss of reality CAST Rose - Mara Hernandez Sheriff Tate - Regen Wilson Lara - Julie Saunders SodaPop - Archie Mayor Terri Boone - Rosa Delgado Reverend Mitchell Boone - David Pinion Camille - Sara Gorsky Cult children - Kip Parshall, Duke Parshall Cult singers - Bill Saunders, Debbie Saunders, Seth Ellsworth, Duke Parshall CREW Written, Directed, Sound Designed - Julie Saunders MUSIC "Julie's Melody (Believer Theme)," by Aaron Ferenc "Vacuum," by Ethan Sloane "Birdsong," by They Dream By Day "Murmur," by WHENISEEYOUISEEMYSELF "Lonely Space Rhodes," by Eneide "Reverse," by Silver Maple "As She Drifts Away," by Clarence Reed Sponsored by Zencastr, an online recording and podcasting platform. Click this link or go to Zencastr.com and enter promo code "believer" for 30% off your pro plan.

In the season one finale, oblivion comes to Charity, Oregon…that is, unless Lara can get there first.   Transcript for this episode is available at BelieverPodcast.com   Content notes Harm to wild animals, distressed animal sounds Human screaming, including children Cult behavior, religious content Violence Loud noises/chaos Nausea/retching sounds Respiratory distress   Cast (in order of appearance) Abe - Miles Langerman Jake - Jason Markoff Lara - Julie Saunders Rose - Mara Hernandez Camille - Sara Gorsky Cult Children - Kip Parshall, Duke Parshall SodaPop - Archie Terri - Rosa Delgado Dr. Simmons - Samantha Ronceros Nurse - Jillian Cardillo Various - Seth Ellsworth Mysterious Man - Javier Ronceros   Crew Written/Directed/Produced by Julie Saunders Sound design by Ester Ellis Additional sound design assistance by Andrew Wardlaw   Music "Julie's Melody (Believer Theme)," by Aaron Ferenc “Big Announcement,” by Out to the World “Diffusion Echo,” by Ethan Sloan “Trailing,” by Christian Andersen “Night Swap,” by Bill Ferngren “Gravity Fields,” by Hampus Naeselius “Face of the Earth,” by Jakob Ahlbom “The Vanished,” by John Barzetti “Breathe it in Deep,” by Hampus Naeselius “A Sky Sparkling,” by Johannes Bornlof “Passed Danger,” by Farrell Wooten “I Will Fool You,” by Bothnia   Music tracks (other than Believer Theme) courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Phone voice generated at https://filmmusic.io/voiceovers Sponsored by Zencastr, an online recording and podcasting platform. Click this link or go to Zencastr.com and enter promo code "believer" for 30% off your pro plan.

Tweenson's Greetings, everyone! As we are now between seasons, we bring you the first of several bonus gifts. Enjoy the pilot episode of the newest show from Good Pointe Media: TWO FLAT-EARTHERS KIDNAP A FREEMASON! For more information, check out the 2FEKaF page on Good Pointe's website: https://goodpointepodcasts.com/2fekaf-2 The transcript for this episode is available here.