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Author: Jill & Shakira

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Candid, unfiltered conversations between two friends in midlife sharing life as it really happens—no scripts, no polish, just truth.


Between Us is where honest stories, real friendship, and meaningful connection come together. Through conversations about life's transitions, personal growth, relationships, identity, and self-trust, we explore what it means to navigate life with authenticity and courage.


These aren't expert answers or perfectly packaged solutions. They're real conversations about being human—the messy, beautiful, challenging, and transformative parts of the journey.


Because sometimes hearing someone else tell the truth helps us reconnect with our own.


Pull up a chair and join us. You're not alone in the questions you're asking or the path you're walking.

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In this episode of Between Us, Jill and Shakira dive into an unexpected conversation sparked by a shared obsession with heated rivalry. What begins with updates about sore muscles, major life changes, and an upcoming surgery quickly unfolds into a deeper exploration of intimacy, vulnerability, self-love, and what it means to be fully seen. Together, they unpack why heated rivalry has resonated so deeply—not just as a queer love story, but as a powerful portrayal of emotional honesty, healthy ...
In this episode, we trace a funny, awkward wedding dance story into a deeper conversation about fear of being seen, judgment, and the longing for more ease, fun, and romance in life. Shakira shares a surreal five rhythms “dance church” experience that forces her to confront discomfort in a brightly lit room full of mirrors and strangers, while Jill recounts a powerful breath work session that offers emotional release and a safe space to scream, cry, and let go. Together we explore how dance, ...
What if indulging in your guilty pleasures could lead to a life-changing journey of self-awareness and creativity? On this episode of the Listener Don't Podcast, we embark on a lively exploration of fashion, inspiration, and personal balance. Our conversation kicks off with a playful exchange about the personal "drugs" that light up our days, from the allure of television marathons to the thrill of shopping. As we navigate the often uninspiring world of fast fashion, particularly on platforms...
In this heart-to-heart, we lay bare the threads of personal growth, the nuances of relationships and the gentle art of cultivating patience and self-compassion. Witness the beauty of metamorphosis as we explore how self-responsibility draws the map of our journey through the world's changing landscapes. From the vibrant heartbeat of Los Angeles to the tranquility of a yoga studio sanctuary, travel with us on a voyage of spiritual and romantic discovery. A friend's poignant struggle with love...
Have you ever slipped into a scent that reshaped your day as effortlessly as a favorite outfit? Shakira and I invite you to a world where every splash of perfume and swipe of lipstick is an act of self-celebration and expression. Our heart-to-heart unfolds the layers of personal care rituals that embolden our spirits, from my lavish 'everything shower' complete with dry brushing and Turkish exfoliation, to JIll's knack for elevating her presence through her master class finesse. Join us as we...
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