In the season two finale of Beyond Substance, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller bring together a panel of leaders working across Indiana to address the opioid epidemic. Joining the conversation are Jodi Miller (peer recovery leader and co-host), Sarah Grubb (Forensic Epidemiologist, Marion County Public Health Department), Dr. Eric Yazel (ER Physician and Indiana EMS Medical Director), and Justin Phillips (Founder of Overdose Lifeline). Together, they reflect on the progress made in reducing overdose deaths, examine data-driven insights and community initiatives, and highlight the ongoing challenges that demand attention. This roundtable brings multiple perspectives—clinical, public health, advocacy, and lived experience—into a collective call for continued collaboration, innovation, and hope. TakeawaysNaloxone access saves lives: Large-scale distribution and low-barrier access remain critical.Bridge programs matter: Linking ER patients to long-term care improves outcomes and prevents relapse.Data drives change: Real-time overdose surveillance helps communities respond quickly and effectively.Peer support builds hope: Recovery coaches create essential trust and reduce stigma.Equity is essential: Addressing racial and demographic disparities must remain a priority.Episode Hashtags#BeyondSubstance #OpioidEpidemic #RecoveryIsPossible #NaloxoneSavesLives #HarmReduction #SubstanceUseRecovery #EndOverdose #PeerRecovery #IndianaRecovery #CommunityHealth #DataDrivenSolutions #MAT #BridgeProgram #PublicHealth #Epidemiology #OverdoseLifeline #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast #StigmaFree #HopeAndRecoveryPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
In this powerful episode of Beyond Substance, hosts Jodi Miller and Dean Babcock explore recovery, redemption, and the systems that support both. Jodi sits down with Megan Pino, a graduate of the Hamilton County Drug Court Program, who shares her deeply personal journey through addiction, motherhood, and healing. Dean interviews Morgan Walker, Executive Director of Hancock County Community Corrections, who offers a systems-level look at how evidence-based practices and collaborative support structures are transforming the criminal justice landscape. Together, their stories reflect the heart of what real recovery looks like—accountability, compassion, and hope.Segment 1: Professional InterviewDean speaks with Morgan Walker, Executive Director of Hancock County Community Corrections, to discuss the evolving role of community corrections within the justice system. Morgan emphasizes a shift from compliance-focused models to evidence-based approaches that prioritize client outcomes and dignity. She explains how her agency integrates partnerships with recovery programs, case managers, and the courts to create holistic support systems for individuals with substance use disorders. Morgan also reflects on how the COVID-19 pandemic reshaped service delivery and revealed the need for flexible, human-centered strategies. Her insights provide a critical lens into how justice-involved individuals can be empowered through meaningful engagement, supportive accountability, and compassionate systems.Segment 2: Personal StoryMegan Pino opens up to Jodi Miller about her struggle with alcohol use, the pain of repeated legal consequences, and the toll it took on her children and sense of self. After her fourth DUI, Megan reached a breaking point—and what followed was a life-changing journey through the Hamilton County Drug Court and Community Corrections programs. Through tears, gratitude, and fierce honesty, Megan shares how accountability, structure, and support helped her reclaim her identity. She reflects on rebuilding trust with her children, rediscovering her worth, and how gratitude became a powerful tool in her ongoing recovery. Megan’s story reminds us that people are not defined by their lowest moments—and that recovery is possible with the right support system.TakeawaysCommunity corrections is shifting toward evidence-based, compassionate support strategies.Recovery journeys often begin with accountability—and are sustained through connection.Drug courts can serve as life-saving interventions when integrated with wraparound services.Systems that honor dignity can transform justice-involved lives.Personal healing often involves rebuilding relationships and rediscovering self-worth.Podcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock and Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236Episode Hashtags#BeyondSubstance #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast #RecoveryIsPossible #CommunityCorrections #DrugCourt #HarmReduction #AccountabilityInRecovery #TraumaInformedCare #EvidenceBasedPractice #AddictionRecovery #JusticeReform #WomenInRecovery #SupportNotStigma #PeerSupportMatters #HealingJourneys #JodiMiller #DeanBabcock #CriminalJusticeSupport #RedemptionStoriesPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
In this powerful episode, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller explore stigma from two deeply connected vantage points: the clinical world of healthcare and the lived reality of addiction and recovery. Dr. Christopher Suelzer, a retired internal medicine physician with decades of experience treating veterans, shares his perspective on how stigma within the medical community affects patient care and trust. Then, we meet Gloria Haynes, a woman in long-term recovery whose journey from addiction to becoming a respected peer recovery coach reveals the transformative power of support and self-worth. Together, their insights challenge us to dismantle bias and see the humanity behind the diagnosis.Segment 1: Professional Interview SummaryDr. Christopher Suelzer, a primary care physician and long-time advocate for veterans and people with substance use disorders, offers a candid look into the role healthcare providers play in perpetuating or alleviating stigma. He describes how stigmatizing assumptions—often subconscious—can erode trust, reduce treatment efficacy, and undermine patient autonomy. Drawing from real-life examples, he emphasizes that providers must challenge ingrained biases, receive better training, and prioritize compassion alongside clinical skill. Dr. Suelzer also explores the systemic nature of stigma, how language and charting practices reinforce it, and the urgent need for exposure to recovery narratives in medical education.Segment 2: Personal Story SummaryJodi Miller sits down with Gloria Haynes, a certified peer recovery coach and perinatal community health worker whose recovery journey began in a Cook County jail. Gloria recounts her descent from a fast-paced life in Chicago into addiction, homelessness, and incarceration. Through court-ordered treatment and a critical moment of surrender, she found her way into long-term recovery. Gloria’s story highlights the impact of supportive judges, the healing power of community, and the strength that comes from lived experience. Today, she works with pregnant and postpartum women, physicians, and recovery programs, using her voice to inspire connection, empathy, and change.TakeawaysStigma in healthcare can lead to delayed treatment, inadequate care, and broken trust between providers and patients.Recovery is not just possible—it’s powerful. Seeing people thrive in recovery changes how professionals understand substance use.Self-stigma is real, but connection, community, and purpose can break through shame and transform lives.Person-first, non-stigmatizing language matters. It shapes how people are perceived—and how they perceive themselves.Both systemic change and individual empathy are needed to truly support recovery in medical and community settings.Podcast InformationHosted by: Dean Babcock and Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AdvoCast Studio236Episode Hashtags#BeyondSubstance #RecoveryIsPossible #AddictionRecovery #StigmaFreeHealthcare #PeerRecovery #SubstanceUseDisorder #VeteransRecovery #DrChrisSuelzer #GloriaHaynes #JodiMiller #DeanBabcock #NaloxoneSavesLives #MATWorks #PersonFirstLanguage #EmpathyInMedicine #HealthcareBias #CHAMPIndiana #WeCare #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCastPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
In this episode of Beyond Substance, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller explore how the criminal justice system—particularly county jails—can be a surprising gateway to recovery. Through conversations with Kelly Gunn, Director of Jail Programs in Hamilton County, and Jennifer Bella, a peer recovery coach who found hope behind bars, this episode examines the transformation possible when dignity, support, and structured programs are prioritized. Together, their stories highlight the intersection of incarceration, trauma, and recovery—and the systems working to bridge the gap between punishment and healing.Segment 1Kelly Gunn, Director of Jail Programs in Hamilton County, shares her experience running recovery-oriented reentry services inside the jail. She outlines the shift in local policy that now keeps many level-six felony offenders in county jails, creating a need for more structured, rehabilitative programming. Gunn highlights Hamilton County's TOWER program and the women’s Launch Hope initiative, which provide therapy, life skills, employment support, and community-based reentry services. She emphasizes the importance of voluntary engagement and ongoing support beyond incarceration, and how partnerships with nonprofits, employers, and treatment providers help build a system of hope.Segment 2Jennifer Bella’s powerful personal story reveals a recovery journey that began during her 16-month incarceration. After years of abuse, addiction, and multiple felonies, she was introduced to Launch Hope in the Hamilton County Jail. With the support of peer mentors and Jodi’s Refuel Wellness program, Jennifer has found her purpose. Today, she is a peer recovery coach, helping others through the same system that once held her. Her story is a testimony to what happens when people are met with trust, tools, and belief in their worth. TakeawaysJails can become a starting point for recovery with the right programming and support.Hamilton County’s TOWER and Launch Hope programs provide holistic, trauma-informed care inside jail walls.Jennifer Bella’s story shows that recovery can begin in jail—with the right support system and structure.Programs like Suboxone and Vivitrol are essential tools for safe transition out of incarceration.Peer mentors and post-release support are key to reducing recidivism and sustaining recovery.Chapters00:00 Opening Reflections and Data Overview03:43 Introducing Kelly Gunn and Hamilton County Programs06:42 The Need for Structured Reentry Support09:32 Partnering with Other Jails and Expanding Services12:57 Launch Hope and Refuel Wellness18:23 Medication-Assisted Treatment and Harm Reduction21:26 Measuring Success Beyond Recidivism24:44 Jennifer Bella's Story: Loss, Addiction, and Incarceration30:28 Transformation Through Launch Hope34:14 Reentry, Peer Coaching, and Continued Barriers41:08 Stigma, Determination, and a Message of Hope46:51 Looking AheadPodcast InformationHosted by Dean Babcock and Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at AvoCast Studio236Episode Hashtags#BeyondSubstance #RecoveryBehindBars #LaunchHope #PeerSupport #SubstanceUseRecovery #HarmReduction #ReentryPrograms #TOWERProgram #AddictionRecoveryStories #CriminalJusticeReform #PublicHealthInJails #IndianaRecovery #NaloxoneSavesLives #MATPrograms #StigmaFreeRecovery #RefuelWellness #JenniferBella #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCast #CommunityHealingPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
In this episode of Beyond Substance, hosts Dean Babcock and Jodi Miller explore the critical intersection of research, personal experience, and community support in addressing substance use and recovery. They engage with experts Dr. Brad Ray and Dr. Katrina "Kat" Thomas, who share insights on drug trends, the impact of overdose data, and the importance of empathy and education in combating stigma. The conversation emphasizes the need for harm reduction strategies, the role of naloxone, and the power of personal stories in fostering hope and resilience within communities.Segment 1Dr. Brad Ray is a Senior Researcher at RTI International with a PhD in Sociology and Anthropology who conducts research at the intersection of public health and public safety that is aimed at overdose prevention. His training includes multiple quantitative and qualitative methodologies, and he has been the principal investigator on grants from the National Institutes on Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Science Foundation, and the National Institute of Justice. He has conducted numerous randomized trials, integrated large statewide datasets to identify overdose touchpoints, and studied the implementation of multiple harm reduction strategies. Dr. Ray also oversees technical assistance to state governments to implement programming at the intersection of public health and public safety systems.Segment 2In this conversation, Dr. Katrina "Kat" Thomas shares her personal journey through substance use and recovery, highlighting the impact of trauma and the importance of seeking help. She discusses her transition from personal struggles to a professional career in counseling and advocacy, emphasizing the evolving landscape of substance use and the need for community support. Dr. Kat addresses the stigma surrounding addiction and the misconceptions that persist, ultimately encouraging listeners to seek reliable resources and never give up hope.TakeawaysFentanyl has taken over the illegal opioid market.The transition from heroin to fentanyl has changed drug use dynamics.Drug seizures can lead to increased overdose risks.Naloxone distribution is crucial for overdose prevention.Listening to people with lived experience is vital for effective interventions.Stigma surrounding substance use continues to be a major barrier.Radical empathy is essential in service work.Chapters00:00 Opening01:55 Understanding Drug Trends and Overdose Data04:58 The Role of Research in Public Health10:03 The Impact of Drug Seizures on Overdoses14:51 Innovative Approaches to Harm Reduction19:55 Dispelling Myths About Substance Use25:06 The Journey of Recovery and Resilience30:07 Advocacy and the Power of Personal Experience35:13 The Importance of Community Support40:01 Looking Ahead: Future Conversations on RecoveryHosted by Dean Babcock and Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at AvoCast Studio236#BeyondSubstance #SubstanceUseRecovery #HarmReduction #OpioidCrisis #NaloxoneSavesLives #FentanylAwareness #AddictionRecoveryStories #TraumaInformedCare #DrugPolicyReform #MentalHealthMatters #RecoveryIsPossible #PeerSupport #OverdosePrevention #RadicalEmpathy #StigmaFreeRecovery #PublicHealthResearch #CriminalJusticeReform #LivedExperienceMatters #IndianaRecovery #CommunityHealing #ShawnPNeal #AdvoCastPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
This episode of Beyond Substance explores the complex and often misunderstood topic of substance use disorder during pregnancy and beyond. Hosts Dean Babcock talks with expert Dr. Camila Arnado and Jodi Miller talks with Ashna Clark.Segment 1: Co-Host Dean Babcock talks with Dr. Camila Arnaudo. Dr. Arnaudo shares her journey as an addiction psychiatrist, her insights on the complexities of substance use among pregnant individuals, and the evolving trends in substance use. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the risks involved and the need for supportive care for pregnant individuals facing substance use disorders. This conversation delves into the complexities of substance use during and after pregnancy, highlighting the critical postpartum period where risks of relapse and overdose increase. Segment 2: In our personal story, Co-Host Jodi Miller welcomes Ashna Clark. Ashna shares her profound journey through addiction, motherhood, and recovery. She reflects on her challenging childhood, early pregnancies, and the difficult decisions she made, including giving her first child up for adoption. Ashna discusses her struggles with substance abuse, the turning points that led her to seek help, and the importance of community support in her recovery. Now a child advocate, she emphasizes the significance of being a present and loving mother, while also offering hope and encouragement to others facing similar challenges.TakeawaysThere are significant barriers to treatment for pregnant women with substance use disorders.The postpartum period presents unique challenges and risks for mothers in recovery.Stigma and fear of judgment prevent many from seeking help.Mothers often love their children deeply, despite their struggles with addiction.The relationship between mother and baby can motivate recovery efforts.Compassionate care is essential in treating substance use disorders during pregnancy.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Substance Use Disorder and Pregnancy03:08 Understanding the Statistics and Challenges06:01 Expert Insights from Dr. Camila Arnado12:12 The Complexities of Substance Use During Pregnancy17:50 The Postpartum Period: Risks and Realities23:59 Stigma and Barriers to Seeking Help30:00 Ashna Clark's Journey: A Personal Story of Recovery42:03 Hope and Support: Building a New Life45:52 Conclusion and Future DiscussionsPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
In this episode of the Beyond Substance Podcast, hosts Dean Babcock and Jody Miller explore the transformative power of harm reduction in addressing substance use disorders. They engage in insightful conversations with Erika Chapman from the Indiana State Department of Health and Aisha Diss, founder of project.ME, discussing the importance of meeting individuals where they are, the impact of stigma, and the various forms of harm reduction available. Segment 1: In this enlightening conversation, Dean speaks with Erika Chapman, MPH, CPH, CHES. Erika serves as the Harm Reduction Program Manager at the Indiana Department of Health (IDOH) in the Division of HIV, STI, and Viral Hepatitis. They explore the concept of harm reduction, particularly focusing on non-syringe harm reduction programs, which provide essential resources and support to individuals affected by substance use disorders. Erica shares her background, the importance of reducing stigma, and how communities can implement harm reduction strategies. Ms. Chapman has been with IDOH since 2006 and has previously served in the roles of HIV Prevention Specialist, Viral Hepatitis Prevention Coordinator, and Surveillance Coordinator.Segment 2: Aisha Diss shares her inspiring journey of recovery from addiction and her experiences with the criminal justice system. She discusses her early life, the trauma she faced, and how it led her to a path of substance use. Aisha reflects on her time in prison, the challenges she encountered, and the pivotal moments that motivated her to change her life. She emphasizes the importance of healing, education, and community support in her recovery journey, ultimately leading to the founding of project.ME, an initiative aimed at helping others in similar situations. Aisha Diss shares her journey into coaching and harm reduction, emphasizing the importance of supporting individuals in their recovery journey without judgment. Episode Links:https://www.in.gov/health/hiv-std-viral-hepatitis/home/https://www.projectme-fw.org/Takeaways:Harm reduction is more than a public health strategy.Non-syringe harm reduction provides essential resources.Harm reduction is a public health theory that reduces risk.Stigma is a significant barrier to seeking help.Compassionate conversations can save lives.Chapters:00:00 The Power of Storytelling in Recovery03:05 Understanding Harm Reduction05:51 Non-Syringe Harm Reduction Explained08:55 Everyday Examples of Harm Reduction11:57 The Role of Stigma in Substance Use15:09 Grants and Community Support for Harm Reduction17:59 Asha Dis: A Journey of Resilience20:46 Transformative Impact of Harm Reduction Programs24:12 Building Community and Support26:58 The Importance of Dignity and Respect30:01 Practical Steps for Community Involvement32:55 The Future of Harm Reduction35:53 Conclusion: Walking Each Other HomeHosted by Dean Babcock and Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at AvoCast Studio236Podcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
This episode explores the critical intersection of substance use disorder and hepatitis C, featuring personal stories and expert insights.Dean Babcock and his guest, Dr. Janet Arno, discuss the critical intersection of substance use disorder and hepatitis C. They explore the stigma surrounding these issues, the importance of testing and treatment, and the public health implications of addressing these conditions. Dr. Arno shares her extensive background in infectious diseases and emphasizes the need for healthcare providers to be proactive in testing and treating hepatitis C, particularly among populations at risk due to substance use. The conversation highlights the advancements in treatment options and the importance of accessibility to care for all individuals.In our personal story, Jodi Miller got to know Jason Rush. Jason shares his personal journey through substance use disorder, detailing his experiences with addiction, the impact of hepatitis C, and his path to recovery. He discusses the challenges of stigma, the importance of seeking help, and the resources available for those struggling with addiction. Jason emphasizes gratitude for his life and sobriety, encouraging others to not be ashamed of their struggles and to reach out for support.Episode Links:https://www.connecttocure.org/Want more from Beyond Substance? Visit us online:https://beyondsubstancepodcast.orgChapters00:00 Connecting Through Stories01:49 Understanding Hepatitis C and Substance Use Disorder04:12 The Intersection of Public Health and Personal Stories09:58 The Risks of Hepatitis C in Substance Use16:12 Treatment and Recovery: A Personal Journey22:03 Overcoming Stigma and Finding Hope27:45 Messages for the Medical Community and Public34:01 Jason's Journey: From Addiction to Recovery46:10 Lessons Learned and Future Directions#addiction #substanceusedisorder #hepc #hepatitisc #RecoveryIsPossible #Stigma #Treatment #PublicHealth #Indiana #Indianapolis #buprenorphine #opioidusedisorder #addictiontreatment #primarycare #recovery #personalstories #healthcaresystem #communitysupport #trauma #healing #resilience #mentalhealth #mentalhealthmatters #peersupport #heroinPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
This episode of Beyond Substance delves into the use of buprenorphine for treating opioid use disorders, featuring insights from Dr. Carol Dellinger and the personal story of Bailey Wisher. Dr. Dellinger discusses her extensive experience in treating opioid use disorder with buprenorphine. She shares insights into the evolution of pain management practices, the importance of addressing stigma, and the role of primary care in providing treatment. Dr. Dellinger emphasizes that buprenorphine is a legitimate treatment for opioid addiction, not a substitution for one addiction with another, and highlights the need for a compassionate approach to those struggling with substance use disorders.Bailey Wisher shares her harrowing journey through addiction, beginning at a young age and leading to a life of chaos, incarceration, and ultimately recovery. Her story highlights the importance of healing from trauma, overcoming stigma, and the transformative power of support and community. Through her experiences, Bailey emphasizes that recovery is an ongoing process that requires internal work and a shift in mindset, ultimately leading her to help others in their own journeys.TakeawaysBuprenorphine has made opioid treatment more accessible.Primary care can effectively treat opioid use disorders.Stigma surrounding addiction can hinder recovery efforts.Buprenorphine helps manage withdrawal symptoms and cravings.Recovery is a continuous journey requiring support.Language matters in discussing addiction and recovery.Many people with addiction started with prescribed opioids.Community support is crucial for successful recovery.Addiction should be treated as a disease, not a moral failing.Resourceshttps://iuhealth.org/find-providers/provider/carol-l-dellinger-md-5716https://medicine.iu.edu/faculty/25112/dellinger-carolhttps://medicine.iu.edu/family-medicine/education/residencyhttps://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/rr/rr6501e1.htmChapters00:00 Connecting Through Stories02:49 Understanding Buprenorphine and Its Impact06:02 The Role of Primary Care in Addiction Treatment09:12 Exploring Buprenorphine: Mechanism and Use12:03 Combating Stigma in Opioid Use Disorder14:48 Navigating the Healthcare System18:07 The Journey of Recovery: Personal Stories20:58 The Importance of Language and Stigma23:47 Myths and Realities of Addiction Treatment27:04 Bailey's Transformation and Healing29:59 The Power of Community and Support33:04 Looking Ahead: Future of Treatment35:48 Closing Thoughts and ResourcesKeywords#buprenorphine #opioidusedisorder #addictiontreatment #primary care #stigma #recovery #personalstories #healthcaresystem #community support #addiction #trauma #healing #resilience #mentalhealth #mentalhealthmatters #peersupport #heroin #recoveryispossiblePodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
This episode of Beyond Substance explores the profound impact of community-driven recovery efforts in Scott County, Indiana, particularly in response to a significant HIV outbreak linked to substance use. Through personal stories of struggle and resilience, the conversation highlights the importance of collaboration, the power of lived experiences, and the establishment of recovery organizations like Thrive, which provide hope and resources for those battling addiction. The episode emphasizes that recovery is a journey that requires community support, understanding, and a commitment to breaking down barriers and stigma surrounding addiction.Hosts: Dean Babcock and Jodi MillerSegment 1: Professional Interview with Carissa MillerIn the first segment, Dean Babcock talks with Carissa Miller, a licensed clinical social worker deeply involved in addressing substance use disorders. Carissa shares her background, including her personal and professional journey with substance use issues. She provides a comprehensive history of the HIV outbreak in Scott County, highlighting the community's challenges such as high poverty rates, misuse of prescription opioids, and lack of awareness about infectious diseases. Carissa discusses response measures including increased HIV testing, state and federal assistance, and the establishment of a syringe service program. She emphasizes the significance of involving the voices of those with lived experiences in addressing community issues and stresses the "Nothing about us without us" philosophy. Dean and Carissa explore the combined community response efforts and share advice for other communities dealing with similar crisesSegment 2: Personal Story Featuring Phil StuckeyThe second segment features co-host Jodi Miller introducing an inspiring personal recovery story with Phil Stuckey, CEO of Thrive. Phil recounts his journey from addiction to leadership within the recovery community. From his initial neck injury at 16 to his struggle with pain medication addiction, Phil describes his transition from law enforcement to living on the streets due to his heroin addiction. He reaches a turning point, choosing to discard his drug kit and marking his last day of drug use on November 16, 2014. Phil's dedication to recovery leads him to co-found Thrive, a recovery community organization. His narrative is a testament to the power of community and second chances, demonstrating transformations achieved through mutual aid and peer support meetings.Additional Informationhe episode also includes a detailed report by Angela Shamblin on the timeline and statistics of the HIV outbreak, as well as discussions on the success of intervention measures. The community's collaborative efforts, including initiatives like Recovery Oriented Systems of Care (ROSC) and the Holding Space Recovery Project, are highlighted. The episode closes with insights into future plans and initiatives to further support the community's recovery and health.Beyond Substance continues to emphasize the importance of community involvement, holistic approaches, and collaborative efforts to overcome substance use disorders and associated crises.Resourceshttps://www.scottcountypartnership.orghttps://www.scottcountyfoundation.org/community-initiatives/community-needs-assessment/https://www.in.gov/health/safesleep/fatality-review/overdose-fatality-review/https://www.scottcountysheriff.org/press_view.php?id=920https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61561408058251https://scpartnership.org/get-healthy-scott-county-coalition/https://www.gethealthyscottcounty.org/https://scpartnership.org/empower-youth-coalition/https://pttcnetwork.org/center/great-lakes-pttc/Podcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
This episode of the Beyond Substance podcast focuses on the experience of receiving care in an opioid treatment program, commonly known as a methadone clinic. The hosts speak with Dr. Carolyn Warner-Greer, an addiction medicine specialist, and share the personal story of Brandy Vaughn, a former patient. The episode highlights the effectiveness of methadone in treating opioid use disorder and the comprehensive support services provided in opioid treatment programs. It also addresses the stigma surrounding addiction and the importance of understanding and supporting individuals in recovery.TakeawaysMethadone is an effective medication for treating opioid use disorder and reducing the risk of overdose and death.Opioid treatment programs provide comprehensive support services, including counseling, mental health care, primary health care, and assistance with social needs.The stigma surrounding addiction can be a barrier to seeking and receiving treatment.Receiving care in an opioid treatment program requires dedication and commitment, as patients often need to visit the clinic daily or regularly.Understanding and supporting individuals in recovery is crucial for their success and well-being.Sound Bites"Methadone is a full agonist. We can start it right away, don't have to wait for anyone to be experiencing withdrawal or wait a certain period of time or anything like that.""We wouldn't say, well, hey, we just got your blood pressure good, let's stop everything that we got you there. Start smoking again, quit exercising, eat fast food, don't take your medicines, and we'll see what happens because we don't expect chronic illnesses to be cured.""You're not just trading a drug for a drug. You're trading a drug for a medication with treatment and support."Chapters00:00 Introduction and Overview03:15 Inside the Opioid Treatment Program08:31The Effectiveness of Methadone Treatment15:14 Personal Story: From Desperation to Hope20:24 Comprehensive Support Services in Opioid Treatment Programs26:03 Challenging Misconceptions about Methadone32:52 Conclusion and Call to ActionPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
Season 2 of the Beyond Substance podcast focuses on substance use disorder and its impact across the state of Indiana. The first episode features Jay Chaudhary, the Director of Indiana Division of Mental Health and Addiction and Doug Huntsinger, the Executive Director for Drug Prevention, Treatment and Enforcement and Chairman of the Indiana Commission to Combat Substance Use Disorder. They discuss the state's efforts in combating substance use disorder and the progress made so far. In this episode, Sean McDonough shares his personal journey of addiction and recovery. He emphasizes the importance of seeking help and not giving up, as well as finding connection with others who have experienced recovery. The conversation also highlights the resources available in Indiana, such as the Indiana Recovery Network and the Shatterproof Treatment Atlas, which provide support and information for individuals seeking addiction treatment. The episode also introduces Angela Shamblin, who will be doing the data segment of the podcast. The conversation covers topics such as the implementation of the 988 crisis hotline, the state's treatment infrastructure, and initiatives in different counties to address substance use disorder.Resources:https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/988https://www.vibrant.org/988/https://www.in.gov/fssa/dmha/update-on-988-in-indiana/https://988indiana.org/https://talk.crisisnow.com/learningcommunity/Chapters00:00 Introduction to Season 2: Substance Use Disorder in Indiana06:23 The Role of State Agencies in Addressing Substance Use Disorder09:14 Challenges and Progress in Substance Use Disorder Treatment16:53 The Implementation of the 988 Crisis Hotline22:00 Building a Treatment Infrastructure: Treatment Atlas25:18 County Initiatives and Collaborations to Address Substance Use Disorder28:39 Introduction and Sean McDonough's Personal Journey34:01 The Importance of Seeking Help and Not Giving Up39:31 Finding Connection and Support in Recovery49:42 Resources for Addiction Treatment in Indiana52:54 Reaching Out for Help: Accessible Treatment and Services in IndianaPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
In this episode, the entire podcast team (Dean, Jodi, Shawn, Angela, and Mandy) share their perspectives and highlights from the first season of Beyond Substance Podcast. Listeners will learn more about each podcast team member's inspiration for working in the substance use disorder field and their favorite takeaways from the first 12 episodes. September is Recovery Month, so check out the resources and event links below, to get involved! https://www.indianarecoverynetwork.org/events1/ National Recovery Month 2023 | SAMHSA Events for September 2023 – Recovery Month (facesandvoicesofrecovery.org) #substanceusedisorder #indiana #indianapolis #marioncounty #recovery #recoveryispossible #samhsa #idoh #opiates #alcohol #fentanyl #narcan #overdose #shawnpnealPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
Episode 12: Stigma Can Be Deadly Guests: Dr. Melissa Cyders earned her PhD in Clinical Psychology from the University of Kentucky in 2009. She has been a faculty member in Psychology at IUPUI since 2009 and is the Director of Clinical Training for Clinical Psychology PhD program at IUPUI. Her research focuses on how impulsivity and its neurocognitive functions underlie risk-taking, with a special focus on alcohol and substance use disorder. Dr. Melissa Fry is Director of the Applied Research and Education Center (AREC) and Associate Professor of Sociology at IU Southeast. At the AREC, Dr. Fry and a team of research assistants conduct community-based research and evaluation, including several projects in prevention and treatment of substance use disorder, and integration of primary and behavioral health care services with treatment for substance use disorders. Dr. Fry worked as a behavioral health case manager in a community mental health center and wrote her dissertation on case management in behavioral health and aging services. Her work focuses on identifying and pursuing leverage points for systems change. Danielle Burkett has been a Certified Peer Recovery Coach since the end of 2016 and is in long term recovery herself. Since March of 2022 she has been recovering from a stroke but decided to finish school and got her Master’s in social work in April 2023. Danielle’s passion lies with youth and the incarcerated. Danielle has worked inside 3 county jails and 1 work release since she has become a Peer Recovery Coach. This year marks 8 years that she has been out of the justice system. From 12 years old to 35 she struggled with staying out of the justice system because of her addiction to substances. Since the stroke, she didn’t have the internal barriers from her trauma, so she founded the non-profit, Unlikely Journeys, Inc, in August 2022 to help youth in the justice system with their trauma.Resources:Medication Assisted Recovery: A Social Ecological Approach to Understanding How Stigma Shapes Effective Use Medication-Assisted Treatment for Opioid Addiction in Opioid Treatment Programshttps://www.unlikelyjourneys.orghttps://pcssnow.org/https://echo.iu.edu/http://www.recoveryassistplatform.com/https://www.in.gov/fssa/dmha/files/OTP_Map.pdfUse of Medication for Opioid Use Disorder Among US Adolescents and Adults With Need for Opioid TreatmentAMA/IQVIA Institute: MOUD prescription trends by state 2012-2021#substanceusedisorder #indianapolis #indy #marioncounty #opioidusedisorder #recovery #recoveryispossible #iupui #alcohol #stigma #oud #sud #indianauniversity #iu #behavioralhealth #sociology #MAT #medicationassistedtreatment #moudPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
For this episode of Beyond Substance we will be learning about Mental Health America of Indiana (MHAI) and how this organization is working to improve mental health care for Hoosiers through advocacy efforts. Guests: Stephen McCaffrey earned his undergraduate degree from Purdue University and his Doctor of Jurisprudence from Indiana University School of Law in Indianapolis, and been with Mental Health America of Indiana since 1991. McCaffrey is a recipient of the Webster-Kipfer Award for special achievement in public policy advocacy, former vice chairman for public affairs at the National Mental Health Association, former member of the board of directors at the National Mental Health Association, and former board member at the American Society of Mental Health Association Professionals. McCaffrey was named to the national directory of Who’s Who in Executives and Professionals and by the Indiana Business Journal as a member of Who’s Who in Indiana Health Care. McCaffrey received gubernatorial appointments to the Indiana Mental Health Commission and the Medicaid Quality Advisory Committee. McCaffrey served as chair of the Division of Mental Health and Addiction Advisory Committee. Stephanie L. Anderson, LCSW is the Chief Operating Officer for MHAI. Stephanie holds bachelor’s degrees in both Criminal Justice and Ballet from Indiana University. She received her Master of Social Work from Washington University in St. Louis, where she specialized in working with at-risk, delinquent youth and their families. As the Deputy Director of Adult Mental Health and Addiction Services at DMHA she was responsible for leading Division initiatives related to Adult Forensic Populations, Serious Mental Illness, Addiction Treatment, State Opioid Treatment Programs, Services for Homeless Populations and Veterans, and Emergency Preparedness. In her role as the Executive Director of Addiction Recovery Services for the IDOC, Stephanie and her team led the transformation of Addiction Recovery Services in all State-run correctional facilities and was responsible for ongoing clinical addiction treatment, addiction recovery programming, and the integration of addiction treatment with mental health and physical health services for the Department. Resources: Mental Health America of Indiana https://mhai.net/Click on - Contact UsSubscribe to MHAI's IN.session Newsletter by adding your email addressIndiana Addiction Issues Coalition https://www.recoveryindiana.org/Find your Legislator - Indiana General Assembly https://iga.in.gov/legislative/find-legislators/Indiana Behavioral Health Commission Report https://www.in.gov/fssa/dmha/indiana-behavioral-health-commission/988 is a direct connection to compassionate, accessible care and support for anyone experiencing mental health-related distress – whether that is thoughts of suicide, mental health or substance use crisis, or any other kind of emotional distress. People can also dial 988 if they are worried about a loved one who may need crisis support. Learn more at: https://www.in.gov/fssa/dmha/update-on-988-in-indiana/Indiana 211 https://in211.communityos.org/Senate Bill 1 - Behavioral health matters https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2023/bills/senate/1/detailsHouse Bill 1462 https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2023/bills/house/1462/detailsCrisis Now provide all communities a roadmap to safe, effective crisis care that diverts people in distress from the emergency department and jail by developing a continuum of crisis care services that match people’s clinical needs. https://crisisnow.com/#policy #senate #substanceusedisorder #mentalhealth #addiction #homeless #purdue #purdueuniversity #indiana #indianapolis #recovery #recoveryispossible #addiction #alcohol #opoid #advocacyPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
For this episode of Beyond Substance we will be learning about dual diagnosis also known as co-occurring conditions, which is the diagnosis of both a mental health condition and a substance use disorder. This can be tricky to navigate since the symptoms of one can often worsen the other condition, but comprehensive treatment is available. Check out the episode to learn more. Guests: Andy Chambers is an associate professor of psychiatry at IU School of Medicine where he is director of the Addiction Psychiatry Program at IU. His NIH-funded research has focused on understanding the biological connections between mental illness, adolescent neurodevelopment and addiction, and the discovery and delivery of novel integrative treatments for addictions and dual diagnosis disorders.Sarah Gunther studied social work at IUPUI. She began her career with KEY in 2008 as a part-time warmline operator. She eventually became the Office Manager, and in March of 2019 was hired as Executive Director. Sarah strongly believes that recovery is not only possible but should be expected. She is inspired by the people she talked with on the warmline, by their strength and courage to reach out for help. Sarah works every day to reduce the shame and stigma of mental health conditions, and help people take charge of their wellness.Resources: The Indiana Consultations for Healthcare providers in Addiction, Mental Health, and Perinatal (CHAMP) Psychiatry Program within Indiana University School of Medicine’s Department of Psychiatry is an innovative adult and perinatal psychiatry access program for any provider of adult healthcare. CHAMP offers a free statewide provider-to-provider phone consultation line, referral service and educational opportunities. The program is intended for use by any healthcare provider in Indiana who sees adult or perinatal patients experiencing mental health concerns and substance use disorders to directly speak with a psychiatrist about a specific patient case or general questions. Visit the link to enroll in CHAMP: https://medicine.iu.edu/psychiatry/clinical-care/integrated/champIndiana Council of Community Mental Health Centers (Indiana Council) is a professional trade association that serves the interests of 24 community-based mental health providers in Indiana. Their member agencies offer a full range of health services such as adult, child and adolescent behavioral, addiction treatment and other programs aimed at improving the lives of citizens in their home communities. Learn more at: https://www.indianacouncil.org/KEY Consumer Organization is a mental health consumer-run organization based in Indianapolis, IN. KEY's mission is to empower others to find their resiliency, mental health, and wellness through education, advocacy, and support. Learn more at: https://www.keyconsumer.org/988 is a direct connection to compassionate, accessible care and support for anyone experiencing mental health-related distress – whether that is thoughts of suicide, mental health or substance use crisis, or any other kind of emotional distress. People can also dial 988 if they are worried about a loved one who may need crisis support. Learn more at: https://www.in.gov/fssa/dmha/update-on-988-in-indiana/NAMI is the National Alliance on Mental Illness, the nation’s largest grassroots mental health organization dedicated to building better lives for the millions of Americans affected by mental illness. Learn more at: https://www.nami.org/Infographic on the Comorbidity: Substance Use and Other Mental Disorders from National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (nih.gov)#substanceusedisorder #mentalhealth #mentalhealthmatters #recovery #addiction #alcohol #syringe #drugs #depression #ptsd #cooccuringdisorder #mentalhealthawareness #stigma #stigmafree #recoveryispossible #publichealthPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
For this episode of Beyond Substance we will hear from two people who are working daily to combat health inequities by promoting public health and wellness. Guests: Virginia A. Caine, MDis the Director and Chief Medical Officer of the Marion County Public Health Department. She is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Indiana University School of Medicine Infectious Diseases Division. She served as a Past President for American Public Health Association, the nation’s oldest and largest public health organization. She received the BioCrossroads “2017 August M. Watanabe Life Sciences Champion of the Year” Award. In 2020, the Indianapolis Business Journal (IBJ) named her as one of 40 Influential People of the past 40 years, as they celebrated 40 Years of Progress in Indianapolis. She was awarded Governor Holcomb’s 2021 Circle of Corydon Award. She is Chair of the Indiana Clinical and Translational Science Institute External Advisory Board and member of Regenstrief Institute. She is a founding member of the Indiana Health Information Exchange. She is Chair of the National Medical Association Infectious Diseases Section, Co‐Chair of the NMA HIV/AIDS Section, and member of the National Medical Association COVID‐19 Task Force. She is a member of the Indiana COVID Vaccine Allocation and Distribution Workgroup and board member of the CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) Editorial Board. She is the Chair of the Indiana University Simon Comprehensive Cancer Center Community Advisory Committee. She chairs the Managed Emergency Surge of Healthcare (MESH) Coalition, a nonprofit public‐private partnership addressing emergency preparedness in Marion County, Indiana. She is the Chair of ‘Jump IN for Healthy Kids’, which addresses childhood obesity. She is a past member of the National Biodefense Science Board, which provides guidance to the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Assistant Secretary of Preparedness. She is currently a member of the CDC’s Board of Scientific Counselors, Deputy Director for Infectious Diseases (BSC, DDID); one of CDC’s 19 federal advisory committees. Natasha “Tasha Marie” Cheathamis a Social Entrepreneur from Nap (Indianapolis, IN), who specializes in embracing the simplicity of life through her businesses, Intimate Oasis and Minority Recovery Collective Inc. (MRCI, “mercy”). With over 15 years of life and work experience, Natasha focuses on addressing cultural and family dynamics along with systemic barriers to address the root cause(s) of addiction, mental illness, and mindless violence in Black communities.Through her work, Natasha aims to bridge the sectors of harm reduction, prevention, and recovery together to provide culturally curated programs and services that support and affirm traditionally exploited groups. Natasha leads as an advocate for the recovery of Black people, Black families, and Black communities from colonialism and white supremacy. She currently serves as the President of MRCI. Resources:Minority Recovery Collective Inc. is a collective of individuals and businesses working together to promote wellness and provide related sponsored events, programs, resources, and services for people who identify as Black, Indigenous, of Color, LGBTQ+, a Minority, and/or a part of another traditionally exploited population. Our mission is to promote the wholistic recovery of Black people, Indigenous people, & People of Color with harm / stress reduction through community and youth engagement. MRCI (wearemrci.org)Overdose death rates increased significantly for Black, American Indian/Alaska Native people in 2020 | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC#substanceusedisorder #healthdisparities #poverty #substanceuse #recovery #recoveryispossible #indy #indianapolis #indiana #safesyringePodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
For this episode of Beyond Substance we will hear from two inspirational women who each lost a son to a drug overdose event. Justin and Alfie have channeled their pain into helping people with substance use disorder and their families resulting in additional programs, resources, and advocacy. Guests: Justin Phillips, MA and White House Champion of Change for Advocacy, Prevention and Treatment is the Founder and Executive Director of Overdose Lifeline, Inc. (ODL) ODL is a non-profit dedicated to reducing the stigma of substance use disorder and preventing deaths resulting from opioid overdose. Justin holds a Master’s in Clinical Addition Counseling and a Master's degree in philanthropic studies and nonprofit management. Justin is also certified in the Grief Recovery Method.® Justin is a featured speaker on the national, regional, and local circuit. Alfarena T. McGinty, MBA (Alfie) has been with the Marion County Coroner’s Office for over 25 years and has served as Chief Deputy for 17 years. As Chief Deputy Coroner, she is responsible for the agency operations, including overseeing over 4000 death investigations annually. Alfie was responsible for alerting officials at the start of the opioid epidemic and has maintained a passion for identifying the ever-changing unfortunate trends and working to decrease deaths by working with various agencies to address prevention efforts. Alfie serves on the board or directors of Overdose Lifeline, Mental Health America, Indianapolis, and the International Association of Coroners and Medical Examiners. Alfie is an adjunct faculty member at IUPUI, teaching Death Investigations. Alfie is married with 5 children. Alfie lost her son Jimmy in July 2021 of a fentanyl overdose. Resources: Overdose Lifeline offers a variety of programs for substance use disorder help and prevention Marion County Coroner's Office Grief and Loss Resources If you recently lost a loved one to overdose text "mental" to 317-435-5281 [attach flyer sent on 3/7] Be Well Indiana Indiana 211 Talk To Someone Now : Lifeline (988lifeline.org) #substanceusedisorder #substanceuse #narcan #overdose #publicsafety #supportprogram #supportgroup #indiana #indianapolis Podcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
For this episode of Beyond Substance we will focus on what harm reduction efforts look like in Marion County. Hosted By Dean Babcock and Jodi MillerGuests: Madison Weintraut is the Assistant Administrator of Infectious Disease at Marion County Public Health Department. Madison’s passion for the intersect of hepatitis C and substance use disorder placed her at the forefront of efforts to establish Indianapolis’ first legal syringe services program in 2018. The Safe Syringe Access and Support program has since served nearly 2000 unique clients on their path to health and wellness.John Lee is credentialed as a CAPRC II-FS/GS, CCHW, and is currently continuing his education in Addiction Studies through Ivy Tech Community College. As a person in long term recovery from Mental Health and Substance Use Disorder, John works to promote Recovery and advocates for others suffering from the same stigma-related issues he dealt with in his journey. His personal experiences are what motivate him and his work in the recovery field.Resources: Safe Syringe Access and Support Program (marionhealth.org)Safe Syringe Access and Support | FacebookNational Harm Reduction CoalitionWhat is Harm Reduction? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (nih.gov)Syringe Services Programs (SSPs) FAQs | CDCSyringe Services Programs (SSPs) Fact Sheet | CDC#substanceusedisorder #syringe #harmreduction #indianapolis #indy #indiana #marioncounty #publichealth #publichealthdepartment #sud #addiction #recovery #recoveryispossible #drugtesting #saferuse #heroin #naloxone #weed #cocaine #mentalhealth #narcan #overdoseprevention #opioidcrisis #overdoseawareness #drugpolicy #endthestigmaPodcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236
For this episode of Beyond Substance we will focus on substance use disorder in adolescent populations and hear about one family's journey to recovery. Guests: Chris and Sarah Platt share their family's journey of a father and daughter relationship dealing with the challenges of substance use disorder in adolescence. Dr. Zachary Adams is a clinical psychologist and works for Indiana University School of Medicine in the Department of Psychiatry. He also works as a psychologist with IU Health Riley Hospital for the adolescent dual diagnosis program, where they take care of adolescents and families with co-occurring substance use and mental health concerns. Resources: Adolescent Addiction Access Program | Psychiatry | IU School of Medicine Adolescent Dual Diagnosis Program | Riley Children's Health (rileychildrens.org) Recovery High School in Indiana - Hope Academy Recovery High School (hopeacademyrhs.org) INSTEP | Overcoming Substance Use Disorder | Indianapolis (instepindy.org) Recovery Assist Platform where both healthcare professionals and the general public can search and locate services for you with substance use related problems. NIDA.NIH.GOV | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) SAMHSA - Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) (nih.gov) Podcast Information:Hosted by: Dean Babcock & Jodi MillerInterview Segment Producer: Angela ShamblinPersonal Story Producer: Shawn P NealExecutive Producer: Shawn P NealMixed at: AvoCast Studio236