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For those who have money… or want more of it!
Join Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench (from BiggerPocketsMoney.com) weekly for the BiggerPockets Money Podcast. Each week, financial experts Mindy and Scott interview unique and powerful thought leaders about how to earn more, keep more, spend smarter, and grow wealth.
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In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench tackle two pivotal financial decisions with their guest, Kristel. Has she already achieved Coast FI without realizing it? And should she keep her current house or sell it to accelerate her path to financial independence?
Kristel opens up about her journey from a frugal upbringing to building an impressive $1.32 million net worth. Mindy and Scott dig deep into her numbers—dissecting her assets, income streams, and monthly expenses—to give Kristel options for her ideal FIRE life. From house hacking opportunities to smart investment moves and strategic part-time work, this episode delivers actionable insights for anyone navigating their own FI journey.
This Episode Covers:
How Kristel built $1.32M
Her current income, expenses, and savings rate
Her financial independence goals and timeline
House hacking opportunities to reduce housing costs
Investment strategy options for her portfolio
Is Kristel Coast FI? With help from The Fioneers Coast FI calculator
Part-time work options to bridge the gap to full FI
Tax optimization and withdrawal strategies
And SO much more!
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Let's talk about the average net worth by every age, and how to make sure you save and invest enough money to stay on track. In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench break down actual data to reveal the net worth benchmarks for the median, top 10%, top 5%, and top 1% of every age.
If that isn’t enough they then highlight specific strategies that work at each age to hit those benchmarks—from aggressive wealth-building tactics in your 20s and 30s to business ownership and real estate scaling in your 40s, to preservation strategies in your 50s and 60s. Whether you're behind and need to catch up or ahead and want to optimize, this episode gives you the roadmap for your decade so you can hit your financial independence goals.
00:00 Net Worth by Age - Are You on Track?
01:09 Defining Net Worth and FIRE Portfolio
02:44 Analyzing Net Worth by Age
03:58 Key Takeaways from Net Worth Data
12:03 How to Be in The Top 1-10% in Your 20s
16:17 How to Be in The Top 1-10% in Your 30s
21:17 How to Be in The Top 1-10% in Your 40s
25:22 How to Be in The Top 1-10% in Your 50s
30:51 How to Be in The Top 1-10% in Your 60s
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Should you sell your house right now or turn it into a rental property? In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench dive deep into one of the biggest financial decisions you'll ever make with their guest Sean. He is sitting on serious equity but isn't sure what his next move should be. We break down his entire financial situation using a custom spreadsheet model that analyzes net worth, mortgage rates, rental income potential, cash flow projections, and long-term wealth building strategies. This isn't just theory—we're crunching real numbers to show you exactly how to think through this decision.
We examine market conditions, tax implications, opportunity costs, and the hidden expenses most people forget when they become landlords. Whether you're dealing with a primary residence, investment property, or house hack situation, this episode gives you a replicable decision-making process you can use for your own real estate choices.
By the end of this episode, you'll understand the financial trade-offs between liquidity and long-term appreciation, how to calculate true rental yields, and when holding onto property actually destroys wealth instead of building it. If you're facing a similar decision or planning your real estate exit strategy, this is the most comprehensive breakdown you'll find anywhere.
00:00 Should You Sell or Keep Your House?
01:17 Financial Overview: Net Worth, Income & Equity
02:33 Mortgage Rate Analysis and Current Housing Market Conditions
03:07 Rental Property Cash Flow Calculator
13:41 Hidden Rental Property Expenses and Long-Term Investment Returns
19:30 How Selling vs Renting Impacts Your Cash Flow and Net Worth
21:11 Net Worth Projections: Sell Now vs Hold 5, 10, 20 Years
23:27 Rental Property Cash Flow vs Home Sale Proceeds Analysis
24:29 Best Time to Sell Your House
26:26 Which Option Builds More Wealth?
31:14 Final Verdict: Should You Sell Your House Now?
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What if you could take a year off at 31 and still retire early? Alex Morales, also known as Girl Chasing Wealth, is doing exactly that. In this BiggerPockets Money episode, she sits down with Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench to reveal how she's funding a year-long sabbatical while staying on track to achieve financial independence by 44, all on a median salary in a high-cost-of-living area. Alex's journey proves you don't need a six-figure income or to live in a low-cost city to make FIRE work—you just need the right strategies.
Alex shares her unconventional approach to building wealth, including managing roommates to slash housing costs, ruthlessly cutting expenses that don't align with her values, and building side income streams for flexibility. But this isn't just about saving money—it's about designing a life that lets you take meaningful breaks without derailing your financial goals. Whether you're burned out, curious about sabbaticals, or convinced early retirement requires constant hustle, this conversation will change how you think about the path to financial freedom.
This Episode Covers:
How to calculate if you can afford a career break without ruining your FIRE timeline
The exact house hacking strategy that saved Alex thirty thousand dollars per year
Which expenses to cut first when living in a high-cost area
How to maintain a high savings rate on a median income
Alex's investment portfolio breakdown and FIRE number
What she's actually doing during her sabbatical year
Her strategic plan for returning to work at a higher salary
Why taking time off might accelerate your financial independence journey
And SO much more!
00:00 Taking a Year Off at 31 Without Ruining FIRE
01:39 How She Started
03:17 The Lifestyle Cuts That Actually Worked
07:46 Roommates Saved Her $30K/Year
12:10 Her Exact Investment Strategy Revealed
14:29 Why She Left Her Job
15:50 The Return Plan: Higher Pay, Same Freedom
22:30 What She's Actually Doing on Sabbatical
32:06 Follow Her FIRE Journey!
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Join Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench on the BiggerPockets Money Podcast as they welcome retirement tax experts Sean Mullaney, The FI Tax Guy, and Cody Garrett, a certified financial planner, to break down their game-changing retirement drawdown order of operations. This isn't your typical retirement advice - it's a strategic blueprint that could save early retirees and traditional retirees thousands in taxes while ensuring their money lasts a lifetime.
Discover the four critical retirement drawdown fundamentals that form the backbone of any successful retirement strategy, plus advanced tactics for optimizing your tax burden, managing healthcare costs, and timing Roth conversions for maximum impact. Sean and Cody don't just explain what to do - they walk through exactly when and why each strategy matters most, covering everything from your retirement date through the challenging widow and widower years.
This episode covers:
The four fundamental retirement drawdown rules that could save you thousands
Why you should spend taxable accounts first and traditional accounts second
The strategic case for delaying Social Security until age 70
How to use HSAs and Roth IRAs as powerful tax-free tools
The five distinct phases of retirement and what each one means for your strategy
Advanced Roth conversion tactics and optimal timing
How to keep income low to maximize ACA premium tax credits
Managing required minimum distributions and minimizing their impact
Healthcare cost planning and insurance strategies for retirees
Why working with a qualified tax planner is essential for your unique situation
And SO much more!
00:00 Retirement Drawdown Strategies
01:22 Fundamentals of Retirement Drawdown
03:37 Phases of Retirement and Taxable Accounts
07:23 Managing Income and Premium Tax Credits
09:22 Roth Conversions and Standard Deductions
19:52 Hidden Roth IRA and Tax Planning
28:36 Navigating Healthcare Subsidies and Early Retirement
29:26 Balancing Benefits for Early Retirees and Self-Employed
33:34 Strategic Tax Planning for Retirement
35:50 Understanding Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs)
36:59 Mitigating the Impact of RMDs
40:51 The Widow's Tax Trap and Effective Tax Planning
46:30 Connect with Sean and Cody!
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In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench are joined by tax experts Sean Mullaney and Cody Garrett to reveal how early retirement can actually be your smartest tax strategy. The conversation immediately tackles one of the biggest misconceptions holding people back from FIRE - the fear that retiring early means facing higher taxes. Instead, they demonstrate how lower retirement income typically translates to significantly lower tax bills, completely flipping the conventional wisdom about retirement tax planning.
The discussion dives deep into their comprehensive approach to tax planning for early retirement, centered around the powerful concept of "Pay Tax When You Pay Less Tax." This isn't just theory - they break down practical, tax-efficient strategies that can save you thousands, including optimizing traditional 401k contributions, maximizing Roth IRA conversions, and strategically managing taxable investment accounts. These aren't complex maneuvers requiring a team of accountants; they're accessible strategies that any early retiree can implement.
Beyond the big-picture tax strategies, this episode tackles the real-world challenges that derail many FIRE plans. Learn how to build robust emergency reserves that won't trigger unnecessary tax consequences, handle unexpected income disruptions without destroying your tax efficiency, and leverage advanced techniques like qualified charitable distributions to further reduce your tax burden. Whether you're years away from retirement or already making the transition, this episode provides actionable insights to minimize your lifetime tax burden while maximizing your financial independence.
The discussion is intended to be for general educational purposes and is not tax, legal, or investment advice for any individual. Mindy, Scott, and the BiggerPockets Money podcast do not endorse Sean Mullaney, Mullaney Financial & Tax, Inc. and their services.
00:00 Taxes in Early Retirement
00:54 Debunking Tax Myths in Early Retirement
03:03 Understanding Taxable Income in Retirement
04:10 Effective Tax Strategies for Early Retirees
05:37 Capital Gains and Tax Rates
12:25 Tax Planning Tools and Calculators
23:43 Tax Optimization Strategies
24:27 Debate: 401k vs Roth IRA
24:56 Order of Operations for Financial Independence
25:42 Roth IRA Conversion Strategies
32:33 The Middle Class Trap
39:09 Tax Strategies for New Investors
44:21 Connect with Sean and Cody
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Join Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench on this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast as they dive into the different types of FIRE. Financial Independence, Retire Early isn't a one-size-fits-all approach - it's evolved into multiple distinct paths, each designed to meet different lifestyles, risk tolerances, and financial goals. This comprehensive exploration will help you understand which version of financial independence makes the most sense for your unique situation.
From traditional FIRE to coast, lean, barista, chubby, and fat FIRE, each approach offers its own timeline, savings requirements, and lifestyle implications. Whether you're drawn to the minimalist appeal of lean FIRE or you're more interested in fat FIRE's promise of maintaining a luxurious lifestyle in retirement, understanding these distinctions is crucial for mapping out your financial future. Scott and Mindy break down the math, mindset, and practical considerations behind each path, giving you the clarity to choose your FIRE strategy and start building a personalized roadmap to financial independence.
This Episode Covers:
The six main types of FIRE and what makes each one unique
Specific savings requirements and timelines for each FIRE path
Real-world pros and cons of traditional, coast, lean, barista, chubby, and fat FIRE
Which personality types tend to succeed with each strategy
How to match your lifestyle and goals to the right FIRE approach
The sacrifices and trade-offs involved in each path
Practical steps to get started on your chosen FIRE journey
And SO much more!
00:00 The 6 Types of FIRE
01:12 Traditional FIRE
04:38 Coast FIRE
09:43 Barista FIRE
13:11 Lean FIRE
18:15 Chubby FIRE
22:07 Fat FIRE
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Discover how geo-arbitrage can double your investing power without requiring a raise, career change, or lottery win! In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench are joined by Daniel Mills to explore how remote workers can live lavishly on a middle-class salary by strategically leveraging location differences. This isn't just about moving somewhere cheaper - it's about unlocking a completely different financial trajectory through smart geographic choices.
Daniel shares his journey to financial independence while living in Japan, breaking down his simplified investment portfolio, dramatically lower cost of living, and the tax strategies that allowed him to write off six-figure incomes. From navigating international investing challenges to discovering unique real estate opportunities, Daniel's story demonstrates how living abroad can accelerate your path to FIRE in ways you might never have imagined.
This Episode Will Cover:
How geo-arbitrage can double your investment power on the same income
Daniel's path from English teacher to international real estate investor
Simplified investment strategies that work from abroad
Tax advantages and write-off opportunities for expats
Real-world cost of living comparisons between Japan and the U.S.
Practical challenges of investing internationally and how to overcome them
Cultural integration strategies for successful expat living
Whether geo-arbitrage is right for your FIRE journey
And SO much more!
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What if we told you that your path to financial independence isn't about picking the perfect stocks, timing the market, or earning a massive salary? In this revealing episode of BiggerPockets Money, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench cut through all the noise to focus on what actually matters: your savings rate. This isn't just theoretical advice—Mindy and Scott get personal, sharing their own savings journeys, including the costly mistakes they made and the pivotal breakthroughs that transformed their financial lives.
This episode completely reframes the conversation around saving money. Instead of extreme penny-pinching that breeds resentment, Mindy and Scott explore "creative frugality"—intelligent strategies that help you save significantly more without feeling deprived. From small incremental changes that compound into thousands of dollars annually to innovative approaches for slashing major expenses, you'll walk away with immediately actionable tactics that prove financial independence isn't about sacrifice—it's about smart optimization.
This Episode Covers:
Why your savings rate matters more than your investment returns or salary
Mindy and Scott's personal savings rate journeys and biggest mistakes
Lifestyle optimization strategies that boost savings without reducing happiness
The psychology behind sustainable high savings rates
Creative approaches to cutting your three biggest expenses
Why starting a side business accelerates your FIRE timeline
Investment strategies that support aggressive savers
How to increase your savings rate at different career stages
Common savings rate mistakes that derail FIRE progress
How small changes compound into life-changing financial results
And SO much more!
00:00 How to Supercharge Your Savings Rate
01:14 Mindy and Scott’s Savings Rate
03:40 Strategies for High Savings Rates
11:50 Creative Ways to Reduce Expenses
20:02 Increasing Income
26:06 We want to hear from you!
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Pete Adeney, aka Mr. Money Mustache, joins BiggerPockets Money hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench to break down the shockingly simple math behind early retirement. The man who started the FIRE movement and retired at 30 reveals why most people are overcomplicating financial independence—and why your savings rate is literally the only number that determines when you can quit your job.
Pete doesn't just share theory—he walks through the real strategies, investment decisions, and mindset shifts that allowed him to achieve financial freedom in his thirties. Whether you're new to FIRE or looking to optimize your current approach, this episode cuts through the noise to deliver the foundational principles that actually work.
This Episode Covers:
The one metric that determines your entire FIRE timeline
Why saving 50% gets you to FI in just 17 years (and the math behind it)
How Pete retired at 30 and what his portfolio looked like
The psychology of frugality and why it's actually liberating
Pete's current thoughts on real estate investing for FIRE
His take on Bitcoin and alternative assets in a FIRE portfolio
Common FIRE mistakes that derail people's progress
Why your income level matters less than you think
Practical strategies for increasing your savings rate immediately
The mindset shifts that make extreme saving sustainable
And SO much more!00:00 The Basics of Early Retirement
01:02 The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Early Retirement
01:21 Understanding Your Savings Rate
05:41 Pre-Tax Savings and 401k Considerations
11:06 The 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate
13:09 Seven Levels of Safety in Early Retirement
28:44 The $50,000 Earner
31:51 Raising Kids on a Budget
35:17 Health Insurance in Early Retirement
41:39 Real Estate as a Retirement Strategy
46:41 Bitcoin and Speculative Investments
51:19 Connect with Mr. Money Mustache
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Today on the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, we're diving into an incredible success story. Meet Beau, a retired military professional who built a massive real estate empire and achieved financial independence in his thirties. But here's the twist: even with a winning formula, Beau wants his investments to work even HARDER while he works even LESS.
In this Finance Friday episode, Beau opens up his entire financial playbook with hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench. We're talking rental properties generating serious cash flow, private lending deals that most investors don't even know exist, and tax strategies so advanced they'll make your accountant jealous. This isn't your typical "I bought a duplex" story—this is next-level wealth building.
If you're serious about real estate investing and want to see what's possible with the right strategy and execution, this episode is packed with actionable insights.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Beau's complete real estate portfolio breakdown and current cash flow numbers
Advanced private lending strategies that generate consistent returns
Tax optimization techniques for real estate heavy portfolios
How to transition from active to passive real estate investing
Strategic property sale timing and 1031 exchange considerations
The pros and cons of private money lending versus traditional investments
Portfolio diversification strategies for real estate investors
How military discipline translated into investment success
Specific steps to make your real estate investments more hands-off
Risk management strategies for high-net-worth real estate portfolios
And SO much more!
00:00 Beau’s FIRE Journey
02:43 Beau’s FI Number
04:52 Exploring Passive Income Options
09:53 Private Lending and Real Estate Portfolio Analysis
19:17 Evaluating Property Performance and Future Plans
28:54 Exploring Arbitrage in Real Estate Lending
33:32 Amortization and Long-Term Financial Planning
36:34 Balancing Private Lending and Real Estate Investments
44:32 Tax Strategies and Portfolio Diversification
54:51 Connect with Beau!
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Ever wondered how financial experts ACTUALLY manage their own money? Mindy Jensen opens her real financial accounts LIVE on this episode!
In this groundbreaking BiggerPockets Money podcast episode, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench deliver unprecedented financial transparency. Mindy tracks her personal net worth and finances in real-time using Monarch Money, giving you an authentic behind-the-scenes look at how a financial expert truly manages her money.
This Episode Covers:
Live demonstration of actual account connections
Mindy's real spending patterns and financial habits
Advanced Monarch Money features most people miss
How to automate your entire financial tracking system
Why regular financial reviews change everything
Exclusive listener discount for Monarch Money (Get 50% off your 1st Year with the Promo Code POCKETS)
Whether you're drowning in financial chaos or ready to level up your money management game, this episode shows you exactly how to centralize and streamline your finances like a true professional.
00:39 Why We Love Monarch Money
01:50 Tracking Your Net Worth
06:29 Setting Up Your Monarch Money Account
16:39 Budgeting How To
22:06 Tracking Spending
25:05 Total Net Worth
27:48 Setting Up Monarch Money
35:11 Sign up for Monarch Money Today!
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Retire earlier. Spend more. Live better. For most people, these sound like mutually exclusive goals—you can pick one, maybe two, but certainly not all three. Financial planner Aubrey Williams is here to prove that conventional wisdom wrong.
Joining BiggerPockets Money hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench, Aubrey introduces his revolutionary guardrails strategy that completely flips traditional retirement advice on its head. Instead of the rigid, fear-based approach that dominates most retirement planning, Aubrey's method shows you exactly how to create flexible spending rules that respond to real market conditions.
This isn't just another investment strategy—it's a complete mindset shift. Aubrey walks through the psychological barriers that keep retirees from actually enjoying their money, then provides the practical tools and historical evidence you need to overcome them. Get ready for a masterclass in turning retirement anxiety into genuine retirement confidence, backed by decades of market data and real-world application.
00:00 Rethinking Early Retirement
01:24 Adjusting Spending in Retirement
02:30 Myths of Financial Independence
04:48 Tools for Decumulation
11:18 Guardrails for Safe Withdrawal
24:23 The Risks of Underspending
29:15 Introducing Risk-Based Guardrails
29:27 Building a Sample Portfolio
30:16 Adjusting Spending Based on Portfolio Performance
32:07 Historical Analysis and Guardrails
54:41 Connect with Aubrey!
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Fear that early retirement is out of the question because you have too much debt? It's not game over. Whether you're debt-free or still chipping away at your student loans, today's guest is proof that FIRE is never too far out of reach—even when life throws you a curveball that leaves you with $90,000 in debt!
Welcome back to the "BiggerPockets Money" podcast! Aubrey Williams thought his financial world was crumbling when his divorce was finalized, leaving him staring down $90,000 in debt. Most would assume this spells doom for financial independence, but Aubrey knew he could dig his way out by increasing his income, cutting costs, and staying laser-focused on his goals.
In just eight years, he snowballed out of debt and toward his long-term goal—achieving financial independence at 45. Now that he's turned his financial ship around, he's focused on building wealth for the future. Tune in to learn how he transformed his finances into a comeback story, why he refuses to let setbacks define his dreams, and what his path to FIRE looks like after starting over!
01:05 FI After 90k in Debt
04:32 How to Fast Track FI
05:51 The Path to Savings
14:21 Financial Pillars
19:47 Career Shifts During FI
32:45 The Value of Financial Planning
42:39 Entrepreneurial Journey and Lessons Learned
47:16 Connect with Aubrey
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Do you think you can't beat the market? David Gardner, co-founder of The Motley Fool, joins the BiggerPockets Money podcast to shatter this limiting belief and reveal why stock picking can supercharge your wealth-building strategy alongside index fund investing.
Despite conventional wisdom warning against individual stock selection, Gardner exposes his proven approach to identifying winning stocks early and holding for long-term gains. This isn't about day trading - it's about building lasting wealth through strategic stock analysis and smart diversification.
This Episode Covers:
Why index funds alone may not be enough for maximum wealth building
David Gardner's legendary stock picking strategy from 30 years at The Motley Fool
How to identify undervalued companies before Wall Street catches on
The 'Sleep Number' concept for managing portfolio risk and peace of mind
Balancing individual stocks with index fund investing for optimal returns
Long-term holding strategies vs. market timing and day trading
Portfolio diversification techniques that actually work
Whether you're a beginner investor or looking to refine your strategy, Gardner provides actionable insights on building real wealth through a combination of stock picking and index fund investing. Discover how to transform your investment approach and achieve financial independence faster.
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Are you worried you won't be able to retire at sixty-five? Feeling financially limited in your fifties and need a retirement plan so you can finally stop working? Well, we made this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast just for you. Today, Mindy and Scott are joined by experts Jackie Cummings Koski and Bill Yount from Catching Up to FI to teach you how to retire on time at age sixty-five (or even retire early!) if you're starting from zero with no money to your name.
We spell out exactly what we would do to go from a zero-dollar net worth to a million dollars in retirement! This is a step-by-step plan that anyone who wants to retire on time can follow, focusing specifically on Barb - a recently divorced stay-at-home mom reentering the workforce with a zero-dollar net worth. Her situation represents millions of people who find themselves starting over financially in their fifties, whether due to divorce, job loss, or simply never having started saving for retirement.
This Episode Covers:
How to maximize earning potential when reentering the workforce after years away
Emergency fund strategies when you're starting from scratch (and why it's different in your 50s)
The exact investment prioritization order for late-starter retirement savers
How to catch up on retirement savings using IRS catch-up contribution rules
Debt elimination strategies that won't derail your retirement timeline
Creative ways to reduce expenses without sacrificing quality of life
The psychology of starting over financially and maintaining motivation
And SO much more!
00:00 Introduction: Overcoming Financial Challenges at 50
05:44 Understanding the Emotional and Financial Starting Point
12:33 Setting Clear Financial Goals
14:33 Tracking and Measuring Finances
18:29 The Math Behind Early Retirement
20:03 Building the First $25,000
25:34 Side Hustles and Income Strategies
31:54 Downsizing and Financial Adjustments
39:02 House Hacking Strategy
50:17 Investment Strategies for Late Starters
01:04:11 Connect with Jackie & Bill
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On this episode of the BiggerPockets Money podcast Mindy and Scott are joined by Beau Webb. Beau went from flying Blackhawk helicopters in the Army to achieving financial independence in his 30s through a diversified investment strategy that goes way beyond basic index funds. Beau built wealth through real estate, and savvy use of military benefits while still crushing it in traditional markets. But here's what makes his story even more powerful - he's living proof that you CAN retire early in just ten years if you save and invest strategically.
His approach blends real estate investing, the smart use of military benefits, and disciplined plays in traditional markets. The result? Multiple streams of income that comfortably cover his lifestyle — all without tapping his retirement accounts. Beau's story proves that you can reach FI in as little as ten years, not by living on rice and beans, but by leveraging creative financing, making intentional moves, and thinking bigger than conventional financial advice allows.
This Episode Covers:
The exact house hacking strategies Beau used to build his first income streams
Creative financing techniques that work even with limited starting capital
How to maximize VA loan benefits for accelerated wealth building
Why mobile home parks and self-storage became Beau's secret weapons
Building multiple income streams that cover lifestyle costs without touching retirement accounts
Diversification strategies across real estate and traditional markets
The ten-year FI timeline: realistic expectations vs. extreme sacrifice
How to leverage unique advantages (military or otherwise) for faster wealth building
And SO much more!
00:00 Introduction to Today's Guest
01:14 Military Background and Financial Beginnings
05:42 First Steps into Real Estate
07:52 House Hacking
10:34 First Duplex Purchase
16:17 Expanding the Real Estate Portfolio
19:42 Diverse Investment Strategies
21:38 Seller Financing
28:28 Expanding the Portfolio
31:49 Achieving Financial Independence
34:36 Life as a Full-Time Investor
37:47 Connect with Beau!
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What does it take to transform from a $27,000-a-year employee into an eight-figure entrepreneur? Hala Taha, founder of YAP Media, joins Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench on the BiggerPockets Money podcast to reveal the mindset shifts, strategic decisions, and hard-won lessons that built her media empire.
This isn't just another success story – it's a masterclass in entrepreneurial thinking, strategic pivoting, and building scalable systems that generate massive wealth.
This Episode Covers:
How to identify and overcome limiting beliefs about money
Scaling from solo operator to eight-figure company
Cash flow management in unpredictable business cycles
Investment strategies specifically for business owners
Balancing reinvestment vs. personal wealth building
And SO much more!
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Coast FI is a fascinating concept that's gaining traction in the financial independence community. And no, to Mindy's disappointment, it doesn't involve having enough money to live beachside (though the lifestyle can be just as relaxing). Unlike the extreme FIRE approach that dominates personal finance blogs—where you're told to save every penny, never eat out, and forget about vacations—Coast FI offers a more sustainable path to early retirement.
Enter Jessica and Corey from The Fioneers, who've proven this gentler approach actually works. When they discovered the FI movement, they were earning just $30,000 combined—hardly a six-figure head start. As their income grew, so did their savings rate, but Jessica quickly realized that climbing the corporate ladder came with a hidden cost. The stress became so overwhelming that she needed a six-month mental health break from work.
That break changed everything. Jessica never returned to traditional employment, instead building her own business. Today, she and Corey have achieved what they call "slow FI"—they're Coast FI with complete time autonomy, still enjoying travel and comfortable living, while on track to retire in their early 50s. They're living proof that financial independence doesn't require sacrificing your mental health, relationships, or joy along the way.
Their story challenges the narrative that you must choose between financial freedom and actually living your life. Sometimes, the scenic route gets you exactly where you need to go.
In This Episode We Cover
Coast FI explained and how it’s a far more enjoyable alternative to standard financial independence
Saving and investing even while making a below-median income salary
Resisting lifestyle creep and how to use pay raises to increase your net worth
The danger of going “too fast to FI” and how retiring too early can be a detriment
Part-time jobs, side hustles, and other ways that you can make more apart from your W2
Spending money to “escape” and how quitting a stressful job could save you more money
And So Much More!
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Tired of the extreme saving grind? What if there was a way to front-load your retirement savings and then "coast" to financial independence without the stress? In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench break down Coast FI - the strategy that lets you stop aggressive saving in your 30s while still retiring comfortably at 65.
Coast FI isn't about retiring early - it's about retiring the anxiety around retirement savings. Once you hit your Coast FI number, compound interest does the heavy lifting while you focus on living your life. This approach offers the perfect middle ground between traditional retirement planning and extreme FIRE strategies.
This Episode Will Cover:
How to calculate your personal Coast FI number
Investment strategies that maximize compound growth
The psychological freedom that comes with hitting Coast FI
Real examples of Coast FI timelines and scenarios
Why this might be the perfect FIRE strategy for most people
And SO much more!
00:38 What is Coast FIRE
02:16 How to Achieve Coast FI
05:56 Calculate Your Coast FI Number
07:54 Coast Fire by Age
09:21 Passive Income and Coast Fire
19:52 Investment Strategies for Coast Fire
22:40 Investment Order of Operations
28:15 Connect with Scott and Mindy
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I was a fan of ChooseFi podcast years ago. their Facebook group is cultist and they mainly cater to the young people.. I got banned from their group for asking a question that went against their narrative. nothing negative as an older person I needed some advice. I still enjoy listening to Brad speak though so happy that he was on the podcast. He seems to make the most sense out of the group there.
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I absolutely love the BiggerPockets Money Podcast! It's been such a game-changer for me when it comes to managing my finances and learning about smart investing strategies. The hosts bring in such diverse and knowledgeable guests who share their real-life experiences and insights, which makes the content incredibly relatable and actionable. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Packaging-Mart One of the things I appreciate the most about this podcast is that it doesn't just focus on general advice; it dives deep into specific case studies and financial journeys. This gives me a better understanding of how people actually achieve their financial goals and overcome challenges. https://hubpages.com/@packagingmart
I don't understand a 40K house. the building materials alone for a house cost more than that, never mind the labor. Plus the cost of the land? if the houses are so low cost, why would anyone rent? I couldn't even buy a driveway for that price...
how can I write in to ask a question?
She loves bachata!
sad to see people using dogs for profit...when millions of dogs die in shelters each year in the US
This is basically me! Key takeaway: Get a higher salary via a higher-paid career (rather than lower-paid job + side hustles/hobbies), before starting house-hacking
This guest was all over the place. Really hard to follow.
MINDY IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST!!! this podcast gets great guests with awesome stories, however, you never get to hear them talk because mindy is ALWAYS talking about herself and forcing her opinions on everyone else. a common phrase from her is "I'm right, dont listen to anyone else or yourself or look at the numbers of a deal, im right" Mindy Jensen is single handedly ruining an otherwise great show. Bigger Pockets, can you get a new host please?
Great Podcast. A couple things not discussed or maybe I missed them. 1) Higher 401k contributions for tax purposes 2) HSA 3) Roth coversion ladder which allows you to access money way before retirement age. This is a key to maxing out your retirement accounts.
covered calls Mindy......
Very relatable
Very inspiring
Scott didn't ask him what was his favorite joke to tell at parties
the fact that this man graduated without student debt and has still gone on to helping people pay off over a billion dollars in student loan debt shows something. it's cool to me how people can make a business out of helping people. It's one of the reasons I love the FI community. I'm excited to get to the point that I can help more and more people better their lives.
I need to listen to this episode at lease 4 times. on the really good ones I try to listen twice and then twice sitting down taking notes and this is for sure the one I'm going to do that with
I love the show. I've been listening to BP the original for years now and in some ways I like this one almost more. its diverse and always goes over stuff that's really helpful with how to live and grow your wealth.
I am for sure going to start doing this. I can cut but I suck at grocery shopping and a lot of my food goes to waste. I've wanted to start meal planning and I'm going to check out Erin's website and really start doing what I need to cut my spending in this area.
how exactly is he the right person to give advice on this topic??? he didn't have student loan debt...