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On the heels of the “Arts Educators Save the World” feed swap episode with Jonathan Groff and his elementary school music teacher, Linda Tough, Bill Burke reflects on the role of teachers and mentors in helping us all be optimistic.  He shares his own influences and those of many Blue Sky guests, while encouraging us to think of our own and consider being mentors ourselves. 

In this very special “feed swap” edition, Blue Sky Alum Erica Halverson interviews award-winning Jonathan Groff and his inspirational elementary school music teacher, Linda Tough, on the “Arts Educators Save the World” podcast.      Learn more about Erica's podcast here: https://www.artseducatorspodcast.com/   Chapters: 00:00 Welcome to the Feed Swap In this special edition of the Blue Sky podcast, the host introduces the concept of a Feed Swap with Erica Halverson and highlights the upcoming conversation with Jonathan Groff, a celebrated actor known for his roles in Broadway and film.  01:16 The Power of Teaching The conversation begins with a reflection on the duality of teaching, emphasizing the balance between challenge and joy, and how these elements contribute to personal growth in education.  02:02 Introducing Jonathan Groff and Linda Tuff Erica Halvorson introduces Jonathan Groff and his former music teacher, Linda Tough, detailing their impressive careers and the significant impact Linda had on Jonathan’s education and passion for music.  05:00 First Memories of Collaboration Jonathan and Linda reminisce about their first interactions in the fourth grade, highlighting memorable moments that laid the foundation for their strong teacher-student relationship.  12:11 Fostering a Love of Learning The discussion turns to the importance of fostering a love for learning, with Jonathan reflecting on how Linda’s teaching style inspired his passion for music and education, and Linda sharing her philosophy on creating a joyful classroom environment.  21:20 The Art of Teaching and Preparation Linda discusses her teaching philosophy, focusing on the balance between high expectations and creating a supportive environment, while also exploring the importance of preparation and performance in teaching and life.  35:09 Finding Joy and Building Trust This chapter focuses on the relationship between difficulty and joy in learning, emphasizing the significance of creating a supportive environment, building trust between teachers and students, and embracing discomfort as part of growth.  47:15 The Lasting Impact of Mentorship The discussion reflects on the enduring relationships formed between mentors and mentees beyond the classroom, sharing personal stories about how these connections continue to influence their lives and careers.  55:00 Advocating for the Arts in Education This chapter focuses on the critical role of arts education in schools and the ongoing fight to preserve these programs, urging listeners to support arts education for fostering human connection and creativity.  58:35 Reflecting on the Power of Arts Education In the closing chapter, the speakers summarize key takeaways from their conversation, emphasizing the transformative power of arts education in shaping lives and the importance of high expectations. 

Martin Gutmann is an expert on the history of business and has written extensively about styles of past leaders.  In this episode, he shares his thoughts on everything from today’s political climate, to whether he thinks Ernest Shackleton is overrated (spoiler alert – he does), to the underrated excellence of less well-known figures in history.     Chapters: 02:27 Meet Martin Gutmann  Bill welcomes Martin Gutmann to the podcast, exploring his diverse background and extensive experience in various countries. Martin shares how his journey has shaped his understanding of different cultures and leadership.  04:24 The Role of History in Leadership  Martin discusses how historical insights can inform contemporary challenges, particularly in leadership and management. He emphasizes the necessity of understanding history to navigate present issues effectively.  07:06 Lessons from the Past  The conversation shifts to how past solutions have created today’s problems, with Martin referencing the Industrial Revolution and its consequences. He highlights the importance of learning from history to find modern solutions.  10:11 The Optimism of Youth  Bill and Martin reflect on the idealism of younger generations regarding climate change and sustainability. They discuss how engaging with young people can inspire hope for the future.  14:02 The Qualities of Great Leaders Martin shares insights on the characteristics of effective leaders, emphasizing their ability to envision possibilities that others cannot see. He contrasts this with the qualities of less favorable leaders.  16:11 Reevaluating Historical Figures  The discussion turns to notable historical figures, with Martin expressing a preference for lesser-known leaders who have made significant impacts. He critiques the common narratives surrounding famous leaders like Thomas Jefferson.  20:04 Unseen Leaders and Their Impact  Martin elaborates on the contributions of unseen leaders, using the example of Vasily Archipov during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He illustrates how individual actions can alter the course of history.  27:01 Churchill: The Crisis Manager  Explore Winston Churchill’s complex legacy as a leader during World War II, where he was thrust into a crisis not of his making. This chapter delves into the nuances of his leadership style, contrasting crisis management with the ability to foresee and avoid crises.  35:12 The Unseen Leader: Shackleton vs. Amundsen  Martin Gutmann discusses the concept of the ‘unseen leader’ through the lens of explorers Shackleton and Amundsen. While Shackleton’s dramatic story captivates audiences, Amundsen’s meticulous planning and authentic leadership provide deeper lessons in effective leadership.  42:55 The Challenge of Leadership in Media  In this chapter, the conversation shifts to the media’s portrayal of leadership, emphasizing how crises and scandals often overshadow the quiet, effective leaders. Martin and Bill reflect on the disparity between public admiration for dramatic leaders versus those who exemplify humility and competence.  46:26 A Global Perspective on Leadership  Martin shares his insights on the political climate in Europe and how it resonates with the current events in the U.S. He discusses the resilience of democratic institutions and the importance of good leadership amidst rising concerns about political extremism.  50:01 Optimism in the Next Generation  Ending on a hopeful note, Martin reflects on the optimism he sees in younger generations, highlighting their ability to dream big without the constraints of cynicism. This chapter underscores the importance of nurturing this optimism as a counterbalance to the challenges faced in today’s world.

Blayne Smith and Brandon Young are two US Army combat veterans who came together in civilian life to start their own company.  They’ve now published a new book, co-authors of Perseverance > Endurance: Lead with Resilience. Grow Through Adversity. Win Together., in which they describe invaluable lessons that they’ve learned from their training, the battlefield, and life since their time in the service.    Chapters: 01:04 Introducing Blayne Smith and Brandon Young  Bill introduces the guests, Army Combat veterans Blayne Smith and Brandon Young, who co-authored the book Perseverance > Endurance and discuss their impressive backgrounds and experiences.  04:04 How They Met and Bonded  Blayne and Brandon share the story of how they met after their military service while working at a company that actively sought to hire veterans, highlighting their initial feelings of being out of place.  06:26 Transitioning from Military to Nonprofit  The conversation shifts to their early experiences in the nonprofit sector, where they both contributed to helping veterans transition back into civilian life and the challenges they faced.  10:00 Founding Applied Leadership Partners  Blayne and Brandon discuss the founding of Applied Leadership Partners, a consulting firm aimed at helping organizations navigate growth and adversity through effective leadership.  14:00 The Importance of Leadership in Organizations  The duo emphasizes that many challenges in organizations stem from leadership issues, and they aim to provide practical frameworks to enhance leadership effectiveness.  15:21 Exploring Their Book: ‘Perseverance is Greater Than Endurance’  Blayne and Brandon delve into the key themes of their book, discussing the critical distinction between endurance and perseverance, especially during times of uncertainty.  18:35 Training for Perseverance  The conversation focuses on how to cultivate perseverance, contrasting it with endurance training and discussing practical ways to adapt and grow through challenges.  24:44 The Role of Optimism in Leadership  Blayne and Brandon reflect on the importance of optimism and hope in leadership, discussing how these qualities can inspire teams and foster resilience during difficult times.  30:02 The Power of Perspective  In this chapter, the guests discuss how extending our time horizon can foster optimism, reminding us that difficult moments are temporary. They emphasize the importance of focusing on the mission rather than the discomfort of the present.  33:03 Frameworks for Perseverance  The conversation shifts to the five factors that define perseverance: change, uncertainty, acceptance, choice, and growth. The guests delve into how these elements interconnect and provide a roadmap for navigating challenges.  37:25 Training for Perseverance  Here, the guests explore the role of hope and purpose in developing perseverance, sharing personal anecdotes and insights. They discuss how understanding one’s character and values can guide individuals through tough times.  41:01 Integration Over Balance  The discussion turns to the concept of life integration versus work-life balance, emphasizing the importance of being a whole person in all aspects of life. The guests encourage listeners to manage their energy and presence rather than merely their schedules.  46:14 Facing Challenges with Clarity  In this chapter, the guests reflect on the significance of having a clear mission and priorities during crises. They share a powerful story about a leadership decision made during a critical moment, illustrating the impact of purpose on navigating adversity.  54:03 The Veteran Perspective  The episode concludes with a reflection on the resilience and perseverance of veterans, highlighting their unique experiences and insights.  

This episode explores the work of Echoing Green, an international non-profit that invests in social entrepreneurs and their dreams and ideas.  An accomplished leader and executive herself, Cheryl Dorsey explains how she first came to the organization and the great work they continue to do under her leadership.    Chapters: 02:22 Meet Cheryl Dorsey  Cheryl Dorsey, president of Echoing Green, shares her journey from being a social entrepreneur to leading a nonprofit that supports emerging social innovators.  04:30 The Origin of Echoing Green  Cheryl explains the inspiration behind the name ‘Echoing Green,’ rooted in a William Blake poem that celebrates youth and the potential for change.  06:11 Investing in Young Leaders  Cheryl discusses Echoing Green’s unique approach of investing in young social entrepreneurs, emphasizing the importance of nurturing leadership alongside funding.  09:12 The Fellowship Experience  Cheryl outlines the structure of the Echoing Green fellowship, highlighting the community, support, and resources provided to selected fellows.  11:04 The Importance of Community  Cheryl reflects on the significance of community among entrepreneurs, sharing how Echoing Green fosters connections that help fellows navigate their journeys.  13:34 Addressing Inequality in Funding  Cheryl addresses the challenges faced by underrepresented leaders in securing funding, emphasizing Echoing Green’s role in leveling the playing field.  16:22 Spotting Potential in Social Innovation  Cheryl shares examples of successful Echoing Green fellows, illustrating how the organization identifies and supports innovative ideas that drive social change.  19:55 Qualities of a Successful Entrepreneur  Cheryl discusses the essential characteristics Echoing Green looks for in applicants, including optimism, resilience, and the ability to inspire others.  23:11 Navigating the Selection Process  Cheryl explains the rigorous selection process for Echoing Green fellows, highlighting the collaborative efforts of volunteers to identify promising leaders.  26:01 Finding Hope in Adversity  Cheryl shares her personal journey of optimism and resilience, inspired by the stories of Echoing Green fellows who overcome significant challenges.  29:55 The Battle of Ideas: Social Innovation vs. Populism  Cheryl Dorsey discusses the contrasting ideologies of social innovators and populists, emphasizing the need for resources to empower those who seek to improve society.   30:45 Inspiration from the Next Generation  Reflecting on the potential of today’s youth, the conversation highlights the importance of intergenerational connections and the inspiring qualities of young leaders.   32:47 Hopeful Pessimism: A Realistic Outlook  Cheryl introduces her concept of ‘hopeful pessimism,’ balancing optimism with the recognition of ongoing challenges in social equity.   34:02 Getting Involved: Supporting Social Innovators  Cheryl outlines various ways individuals can support Echoing Green and its mission, from applying for fellowships to volunteering and funding.   36:40 The Power of Mentorship and Community  The discussion shifts to the importance of mentorship and community support for young social innovators, highlighting the role of experienced professionals in guiding the next generation.   38:50 Success Stories: Transformative Impact of Echoing Green  Cheryl shares inspiring success stories from Echoing Green fellows, showcasing how their initiatives have made significant impacts in their communities. This chapter highlights the ripple effects of social innovation and the potential for change.  42:16 Closing Thoughts: The Future of Social Innovation  As the conversation wraps up, both Cheryl and Bill reflect on the optimism that stems from the work being done in social innovation.  

David McCullough got the idea for The American Exchange Project (AEP) after a cross-country trip showed him how diverse and accepting were the people he met.  Today, AEP creates opportunities for recent high school graduates to experience life in a different part of the US, building bridges of understanding and creating lifelong friendships.  It’s McCullough’s hope that these trips will someday be as common for high schoolers as the senior prom.    Chapters: 02:17 Growing Up in a History-Minded Family  David reflects on how his family’s rich history and values shaped his understanding of American identity and the importance of learning from the past.  06:09 Historical Amnesia and Current Divides  Bill and David discuss the current polarization in America, emphasizing the need for historical literacy to navigate complex societal issues.  07:16 A Life-Changing College Experience  David recounts a pivotal trip he took during college that opened his eyes to the realities of education and the deep divides within the country.  14:11 The Birth of the American Exchange Project  David shares how his transformative experiences during his travels led to the creation of the American Exchange Project, aimed at fostering understanding among youth.  16:11 Exploring the American Exchange Project  David explains the mission of the American Exchange Project, which facilitates domestic exchanges for high school students to experience different American cultures.  22:01 Building Bridges Through Shared Experiences  The importance of empathy and understanding is highlighted as David discusses how students learn to see commonalities despite differences during their exchanges.  29:07 Confronting Political Discontent  David addresses the challenge of political polarization, emphasizing the need for respectful dialogue and the role of the American Exchange Project in fostering meaningful connections.  31:12 The Lasting Impact of Exchange  Reflecting on the transformative experiences of past participants, David highlights how The American Exchange Project fosters lasting connections and changes in perspectives. He emphasizes the significance of these exchanges in shaping young adults’ futures.  34:01 Expanding the Model  The conversation shifts to the potential for expanding the AEP model to college students and beyond. David hints at exciting developments in collaboration with universities to create similar experiences for incoming freshmen.  36:10 The Value of Shared Experiences  David reflects on the importance of shared experiences in fostering friendships and understanding among diverse groups. He draws parallels between The American Exchange Project and historical coming-of-age rituals that unite young people.  40:01 Building a Sustainable Future  Discussing the financial model of the American Exchange Project, David explains how donations and volunteerism sustain the initiative. He shares his vision for the program’s growth and its potential to become a staple in American education.  44:35 The Edict of the Optimist  In the concluding segment, David emphasizes the importance of taking action to create positive change, embodying the ‘edict of the optimist.’ The conversation wraps up with a call to support The American Exchange Project and get involved. 

While studying acting in college, Erica Halverson decided that while she loved the theater, being on stage would not be for her.  Instead, she moved into different areas and now is teaching arts education at the University of Wisconsin.  She also hosts a terrific podcast, "Arts Educators Save the World,” on which artists are joined by teachers and mentors to reflect on the transformative impact that these people had on them.    Chapters: 02:49 Meet Erica Halverson  Erica shares her background as a professor and her passion for arts education, discussing her book and her podcast that aim to transform teaching and learning through the arts.  03:57 From Actor to Educator  Erica reflects on her journey from aspiring actor to educator, detailing the pivotal moment when she realized her passion lay in teaching and facilitating creative expression.  09:11 The Competitive Nature of Performing Arts  Bill and Erica discuss the competitive landscape of the performing arts, emphasizing the importance of finding fulfilling roles outside of traditional performance careers.  12:49 The Importance of Arts Education  Erica passionately advocates for the inclusion of arts education in schools, questioning why the arts are often the first programs to be cut during budget constraints.  16:22 The Impact of Standardized Testing  The conversation shifts to the effects of standardized testing on education, with Erica explaining how a focus on reading and math has marginalized the arts and other subjects.  21:05 Arts as a Pathway to Inclusion  Erica discusses how arts education can create inclusive learning environments, allowing students to express themselves and feel welcomed in educational spaces.  22:47 Evaluating Creativity in Education  The discussion highlights the differences in evaluation between arts and traditional subjects, emphasizing the importance of open-ended expression and self-evaluation in the arts.  25:00 Training Future Educators  Erica shares insights on how she prepares aspiring teachers to incorporate arts education into their classrooms, despite the challenges posed by current educational policies.  29:57 The Art of Engagement in Education  In this chapter, Erica discusses the transformative power of arts in education, emphasizing the importance of engaging students in creative experiences amidst the distractions of modern technology.   33:36 Arts Educators Save the World  Erica introduces her podcast, ‘Arts Educators Save the World,’ where she pairs influential artists with their mentors to explore the profound impact of arts education.   37:17 Expanding the Definition of Mentorship  In this segment, Erica shares how her podcast expands the concept of mentorship beyond traditional settings, including relationships formed in higher education and adult collaborations.   41:18 The Ripple Effect of Recognition  Bill and Erica discuss the emotional impact of reconnecting artists with their former teachers, highlighting the importance of recognition in the teaching profession.   46:14 Looking Ahead: The Future of Arts Education  As the conversation nears its end, Erica shares her vision for the future of arts education, expressing optimism about the resilience of creative programs despite challenges.  51:30 The Lasting Impact of Arts in Education  In the final segment, Erica’s passion for arts education shines through as she reflects on the ripple effects of her work. Bill emphasizes the importance of recognizing the mentors who shape successful individuals, reinforcing the idea that the arts play a vital role in personal and professional development. 

When Earl B. Hunter’s son was seven years old, he took him on three-month, multi-state camping.  It was a positive, life-changing experience for them both.  But Earl was struck by the fact that over the entire trip, they saw just one other black family.  As someone who was working in sales in the outdoor industry, Earl saw an opportunity and went on to found the for-profit company, Black Folks Camp Too.    Chapters:   02:01 Earl Hunter Jr.: Champion of Outdoor Diversity  Earl B. Hunter Jr., founder of Black Folks Camp Too, shares his mission to increase diversity in the outdoor industry. He recounts his journey from a corporate background to pioneering efforts to make camping more accessible and enjoyable for everyone.  03:19 Earl’s Awakening to the Outdoors  Earl reflects on his late introduction to the outdoors at age 40, sharing how his professional journey led him to discover the joys of camping.   05:39 The Life-Changing Camping Trip  Earl recounts a transformative three-month camping trip with his son, where they bonded over adventures and music. The trip opened his eyes to the lack of diversity in camping and sparked his desire to create change in the outdoor community.  08:16 The Healing Power of Nature  Earl discusses his belief that the outdoors can unite people across all backgrounds and foster a sense of belonging.  11:43 Understanding Historical Barriers  Earl explains the historical context behind the absence of Black individuals in outdoor spaces, addressing generational fears and systemic barriers.   17:24 Introducing Black Folks Camp Too  Earl introduces Black Folks Camp Too, a business aimed at bridging gaps in the outdoor industry.   21:59 The Business Model of Inclusion  Earl outlines the business model of Black Folks Camp Too, focusing on their outdoor education academy designed for the industry.   25:37 Addressing Deep-Rooted Challenges  Earl discusses how the outdoor industry can tackle systemic challenges by understanding historical context and inviting diverse populations.   30:04 The Importance of Understanding ‘Why’  Earl emphasizes the need to grasp the underlying reasons for the lack of diversity in outdoor spaces before implementing marketing strategies.   32:24 Breaking Historical Barriers  Earl discusses the deep-rooted fears and historical trauma that prevent many Black individuals from enjoying the outdoors.   35:08 Consumer Engagement and State Parks  Earl outlines the consumer marketing strategies his organization employs to ensure that outdoor spaces are ready to welcome new visitors. He stresses the significance of making positive first experiences to foster a lasting connection with nature.  39:43 Changing Generational Patterns  Earl shares his views on the need to involve parents in outdoor activities to break generational patterns of disconnection from nature.   43:30 Unity in the Outdoor Community  Earl introduces the Unity Blaze Way, a concept encouraging individuals to build friendships across racial lines and invite others to experience the outdoors. He believes that shared experiences in nature can foster understanding and unity among diverse communities.  51:29 The Future of Black Folks Camp Too  Earl paints an optimistic picture of the future for Black Folks Camp Too, emphasizing the importance of transferring knowledge and love for the outdoors from older generations to younger ones.   55:02 A Call to Action for the Community  Earl concludes with a heartfelt message urging listeners to support the recovery efforts in Western North Carolina and to engage with diverse communities. His optimism and commitment to inclusion serve as a powerful reminder of the potential for positive change. 

On this month’s installment of “A Bit of Blue Sky,” and in honor of National Optimism Month, host Bill Burke reflects on lessons learned from two years of hosting the Blue Sky podcast. 

Sal Khan is one of the great innovators in education and in this Blue Sky episode, he discusses his book, Brave New Words: How AI Will Revolutionize Education (and Why That’s a Good Thing). He and his colleagues at Khan Academy are well on their way to creating powerful AI teaching assistant called Khanmigo.  At a time when many fear the onset of AI applications, Sal Khan presents an inspiring vision for the future of this technology in the classroom and beyond.    Chapters: 03:19 The Origin Story of Khan Academy  Sal shares the inspiring origin story of Khan Academy, detailing how a simple act of tutoring his cousin evolved into a global educational platform.   09:39 Educated Bravery in AI  Sal emphasizes the concept of ‘educated bravery’ when approaching AI technologies in education. He describes how Khan Academy is adapting its tools to mitigate risks while maximizing the benefits of AI for personalized learning.  12:46 Innovative Learning Experiences  Sal illustrates how AI can create engaging learning experiences, such as conversing with literary characters like Jay Gatsby.   14:55 Engaging with Historical Figures  The discussion turns to the use of AI to interact with historical figures, such as Thomas Jefferson. Sal explains the complexities of addressing sensitive historical issues through AI while maintaining educational integrity.  17:19 The Role of Teachers in an AI World  Sal argues that AI will not replace teachers but rather enhance their roles in the classroom.   21:42 AI as a Tool for Empowerment  The conversation highlights how AI can alleviate the burdens of administrative tasks for teachers, allowing them to focus on meaningful interactions with students.   23:18 Skepticism and Critical Thinking  Sal stresses the importance of skepticism when engaging with AI and other technologies. He encourages students to critically evaluate the information provided by AI, fostering deeper discussions in the classroom.  27:39 Bridging the Economic Divide with AI  In this chapter, Sal Khan discusses the potential of AI to serve as a leveling mechanism in education, especially for those who cannot afford traditional tutoring.   30:01 Navigating the Ethics of AI in Education  Sal explores the ethical implications of using AI in education, particularly in the context of college admissions. He highlights the gray areas of academic support and the fine line between assistance and cheating, stressing the importance of maintaining integrity in the learning process.  33:41 Introducing Khanmigo: The AI Tutor  Sal introduces Khanmigo, an AI tutor designed to enhance the learning experience by providing personalized support to students. He explains its features, such as contextual understanding of lessons and ethical tutoring practices that encourage student engagement.  37:34 Empowering Teachers with AI  In this chapter, Sal discusses how Khanmigo not only benefits students but also supports teachers by alleviating administrative burdens. He emphasizes the importance of improving teacher morale and engagement in a profession facing significant challenges.  39:25 The Path to Implementation  Sal explains the process of integrating Khan Academy and Khanmigo into school districts, highlighting the importance of support and training for teachers.   44:28 The Future of Learning with AI  Sal envisions a future where Khanmigo enhances the educational experience through multimodal interactions and real-time support for both students and teachers.   52:29 Inspiring Innovation in Education  In the closing chapter, Sal reflects on the inspiring innovations at Khan Academy and the positive impact of peer tutoring through Schoolhouse World. He encourages educators to embrace AI as a tool for enhancing the teaching experience and fostering student success. 

Leslie and Richard Strauss are a husband-and-wife team who oversee Spirit Series, an innovative educational program in which young students perform plays about timeless stories.  Through Spirit Series’ immersive and rigorous process, participants gain confidence in themselves and improve their teamwork, higher order thinking and focus in the classroom.  The program has served more than 60,000 students and research shows that it has improved their cognitive and social/emotional skills and even lowered absenteeism in participating schools.  FMI – Spirit Series⁠⁠ website⁠⁠  Chapters: 02:44 Meet Richard and Leslie Strauss  Bill introduces guests Richard and Leslie Strauss, co-directors of the Spirit Series, sharing their backgrounds and experiences in arts education. Their journey begins with personal loss and a desire to help children cope with grief.  07:56 Breaking into Schools  Richard explains how Spirit Series gained traction in schools through word of mouth rather than advertising.   10:29 The Power of Storytelling  The conversation shifts to the significance of storytelling in education, with Richard emphasizing the impact of historical narratives on young minds.   12:05 How the Program Works  Richard outlines the structure of the Spirit Series program, detailing the intensive three-week residency model.   14:22 Casting and Participation  The discussion focuses on the unique casting process of the Spirit Series, where roles are assigned by lottery. Richard shares how this approach fosters inclusivity and allows students to reinvent themselves.  17:01 Engaging Students with Big Questions  Richard discusses the importance of starting each unit with a thought-provoking question. This method encourages students to reflect on their beliefs and engage deeply with the material over the course of the program.  20:09 Creating Community Through Performance  The hosts explore how the Spirit Series fosters a sense of community among students.   22:33 The Role of Teachers in the Process  Leslie and Richard describe how classroom teachers engage with the Spirit Series program. They highlight the collaborative nature of the curriculum and the positive changes it brings to teacher-student dynamics.  25:01 Empowering Teachers with New Curriculum  The conversation shifts to the evolution of the Spirit Series curriculum, which now empowers teachers to implement the program independently. Richard shares the success of pilot programs that have expanded their reach.  28:28 Finding Silver Linings in Crisis  The conversation begins with Richard and Leslie discussing how the pandemic, despite its challenges, sparked creativity and adaptability within their organization.   30:03 Innovating Through Adversity  Richard elaborates on the innovative methods they adopted to engage students in a virtual setting, including the creation of films and storytelling videos.   32:54 The Spirit Series Impact  Richard explains how students not only learn foundational stories but also create their own, enhancing their understanding and personal expression.  34:43 Measuring Success and Growth  Richard and Leslie share the results of their program, emphasizing the positive feedback from teachers and students alike.   37:49 Addressing Absenteeism and Engagement  The conversation highlights the program’s success in reducing absenteeism, as students feel a sense of accountability to their peers.   43:21 Getting Involved with Spirit Series  In this chapter, Richard and Leslie provide insights on how listeners can engage with the Spirit Series, whether by volunteering, donating, or bringing the program to their schools.  

Business school professor and author Amy Edmondson shares her views on how we can make our workplace more productive, enriching, and positive for everyone.  By creating an environment with “psychological safety,” Amy says that organizations allow people to do their best work by not fearing to make the “right kinds” of mistakes and/or speaking up when things go wrong.  Order Amy's book Right Kind of Wrong   Chapters: 01:08 Introduction of Amy Edmondson  Host Bill Burke introduces guest Amy Edmondson, a renowned professor at Harvard Business School, known for her work on psychological safety. 06:50 The Role of Managers in Psychological Safety  The conversation shifts to the role of managers in understanding human behavior and fostering an environment where employees feel motivated to contribute  09:15 Hierarchy and Its Challenges  The discussion delves into the impact of organizational hierarchy on psychological safety, with Edmondson explaining how it can inhibit open communication.   12:25 Creating a Safe Environment for Mistakes  Edmondson discusses the importance of allowing employees to make mistakes and learn from them as a pathway to innovation.   16:30 Navigating Political Divisions at Work  The conversation touches on the challenges of political divisions in the workplace and the importance of maintaining professionalism.   18:01 The Impact of Remote Work on Culture  Edmondson reflects on how remote and hybrid work environments affect psychological safety and workplace culture. She discusses the need for face-to-face interactions to foster relationships and connectedness among team members.  23:41 Exploring the Right Kind of Wrong  The focus shifts to Edmondson’s recent book, ‘Right Kind of Wrong,’ where she explores the concept of failing well.   28:40 Understanding Different Types of Failures  In this chapter, we explore the distinctions between basic, complex, and intelligent failures, emphasizing the importance of recognizing these differences. The conversation highlights how basic failures stem from single mistakes, while complex failures arise from multiple contributing factors.  31:50 The Value of Intelligent Failures  The discussion shifts to intelligent failures, which are the results of thoughtful experiments aimed at innovation. The speakers discuss how organizations can learn from these failures and even budget for them in research and development.  33:49 Learning from Failure: A Difficult Process  This chapter delves into the challenges of learning from failure, emphasizing the emotional aversion many people have towards it.   35:29 Reframing Failure: Insights from Ted Turner  The conversation highlights Ted Turner’s perspective on failure, illustrating how he framed losses as learning opportunities. This chapter discusses the cultural shift needed to embrace mistakes as part of the journey towards success.  36:31 The Role of Optimism in Leadership  In this chapter, the speakers explore the significance of optimism in effective leadership, contrasting it with blind optimism. They introduce the Stockdale Paradox, emphasizing the balance between maintaining hope while facing harsh realities.  41:49 Optimism vs. Realism in Leadership  The discussion continues on the interplay between optimism and realism in leadership, highlighting research findings on how these traits affect team dynamics. The speakers share insights from their studies during the COVID-19 pandemic, illustrating the importance of transparent communication.  44:08 The Future of Business Leadership  As the conversation wraps up, the speakers reflect on the qualities of young leaders entering the business world.  

On this installment of “A Bit of Blue Sky,” host Bill Burke describes five books he recommends that will help listeners be more optimistic (and hopefully, fulfill their New Year’s resolution to do so)!    Blue Sky Bookshelf: Link    Chapters:   00:00 Welcome to A Bit of Blue Sky  Host Bill Burke introduces the podcast and its mission to inspire optimism through engaging discussions. He sets the stage for a conversation about books that can help listeners maintain their New Year’s resolutions.  01:29 Factfulness: A New Perspective  Bill discusses ‘Factfulness’ by Hans Rosling, a book that challenges common misconceptions about the world and highlights the progress we’ve made. He emphasizes the importance of understanding facts to foster a more optimistic outlook.  03:56 The Enlightenment and Its Impact  Next, Bill explores ‘Enlightenment Now’ by Steven Pinker, which reflects on the values established during the European Enlightenment. He highlights how these values have contributed to a more peaceful and prosperous world.  05:31 Humankind: A Case for Optimism  Bill introduces ‘Humankind’ by Rutger Bregman, a book that argues for the inherent goodness of humanity. Through compelling examples, Bregman refutes the notion that humans are naturally violent and emphasizes cooperation.  06:49 The Rational Optimist: A Thoughtful Approach  In this chapter, Bill revisits ‘The Rational Optimist’ by Matt Ridley, discussing how free trade and cooperation have historically led to human progress. He advocates for a rational approach to optimism based on facts.  07:12 The Power of Kind Words  Bill shares insights from ‘The Power of A Few Kind Words’ by Tracy Gates, a book inspired by the author’s father that encourages expressing appreciation through handwritten letters. This practice aims to uplift both the sender and the recipient. 

Neal Foard is an accomplished marketing expert and storyteller. On this episode, Neal describes why, after helping build household name global brands like Budweiser, Lexus, and Sony, he has turned his attention to telling and teaching stories.  He’s inspired by what he describes as the kindness of everyday people and shares personal anecdotes and stories online, hoping others will engage in what he’s calling, “The Conspiracy of Kindness.”  He is also the founder of Storyfire, an online storytelling course.    Here is a link to Neal’s Story, “A Postcard from 1969”  Chapters: 02:16 The Power of Positivity  Neal Foard discusses his belief that there are more good people than bad, emphasizing the influence of media on public perception. He shares insights on how negativity can skew our view of humanity and the importance of focusing on the positive.  10:00 Traffic and Kindness  Using traffic as a metaphor, Neal illustrates how our mindset can shape our experiences with others. He emphasizes the importance of kindness and how adopting a positive outlook can lead to a better day.  14:30 Reflections on 1969  Bill and Neall delve into the historical context of 1969, discussing societal turmoil and its parallels to today. They reflect on how understanding history can provide perspective on current events and the importance of kindness in turbulent times.  20:00 The ROI of Kindness  Neal shares a compelling story about a car dealer who prioritizes kindness over profit, illustrating the long-term benefits of treating customers well. He introduces the concept of a ‘conspiracy of kindness’ and its impact on business.  25:03 The Transformative Power of Travel  In this chapter, the conversation explores how travel can restore faith in humanity by revealing the commonalities among people across different cultures. Neal Foard shares personal anecdotes and insights about how experiences in various places can challenge preconceived notions.  29:03 The Journey of a National Road Trip  The discussion shifts to an exciting national road trip that the speaker is undertaking, motivated by connections made through social media. This journey aims to highlight small businesses across America, showcasing the human interactions that define these local enterprises.  32:47 Celebrating Small Businesses  The speaker shares heartwarming stories from small businesses, emphasizing the personal connections and community spirit that thrive in these environments. This chapter highlights the importance of small businesses in fostering human relationships and driving local economies.  35:03 The Role of Integrity in Business  This chapter delves into the concept of integrity in business, arguing that most businesspeople are honorable and striving to do the right thing. The conversation emphasizes the significance of trust and regulation in maintaining a fair marketplace.  39:32 The Art of Storytelling in Business  The focus shifts to storytelling as a vital skill in business, where effective communication can persuade and influence others. The speaker explains how stories resonate on an emotional level, making them a powerful tool for leaders and entrepreneurs.  46:47 The Impact of Stories on Human Connection  In this final chapter, Neal reflects on the profound impact of storytelling on human connection and the importance of choosing the right narratives. The speaker encourages listeners to consider the stories they tell and how they shape perceptions and relationships. 

In this Blue Sky episode, Zach Karabell describes how the roots of his optimistic worldview come from his deep understanding of history and the important societal trends that continue to move in a positive direction.  This conversation covers a lot of ground, including how Zachary views President Trump and the “chaos” and “hysteria” he expects will be created during his second term, the remarkable medical breakthroughs like mRNA vaccines, and his new Substack newsletter, "The Edgy Optimist."   Chapters:   00:00 Welcome to the Blue Sky Podcast  Host Bill Burke introduces the Blue Sky Podcast, setting the tone for discussions about optimism and the positive aspects of the world. He emphasizes the importance of looking beyond challenges to find hope.  00:54 Meet Zach Karabell  Bill introduces Zach Karabell, the founder of the Progress Network and host of the What Could Go Right Podcast. The conversation highlights Zach’s extensive background in economics, history, and his recent work on optimism.  03:04 From Academia to Optimism  Zach shares his journey from academia to finance and eventually to promoting optimism through his work. He discusses how his historical perspective shapes his understanding of current events and the importance of focusing on positive narratives.  09:20 The Birth of the Progress Network  Zach explains the inception of the Progress Network during a time of widespread negativity, aiming to unite voices advocating for a brighter future.   12:19 Finding Kindred Spirits  Zach discusses the realization that many others share his vision of optimism, leading to a sense of community among like-minded individuals. He expresses hope in the growing number of movements focused on positive change.  13:14 Reviving the Edgy Optimist  Zach reveals the motivation behind relaunching his Edgy Optimist column as a newsletter, emphasizing the power of self-publishing in today’s media landscape.   16:30 Reflections on the Recent Election  The conversation shifts to the recent election, with Zach sharing insights from his Edgy Optimist column written the day after. He emphasizes the need to separate words from actions in political discourse and reflects on the historical context of political behavior.  22:21 Words vs. Actions in Politics  Zach elaborates on the significance of language in politics, arguing that actions often carry more weight than words.   29:04 The Weight of Words in Politics  Zach discusses the significance of language in political discourse, referencing historical instances of election subversion.   31:07 Lessons from Bush v. Gore  The conversation shifts to the contentious 2000 election, drawing parallels between past and present political challenges. Bill and Zach explore how historical context can inform our understanding of current electoral disputes.  32:54 Rising Expectations and Global Discontent  Zach articulates the global trend of rising expectations among citizens for government accountability and social progress.   35:02 Healthcare Breakthroughs and Human Rights  The discussion highlights significant advancements in healthcare and human rights, showcasing global progress in areas often overshadowed by conflict.   40:49 The Miracle of the COVID Vaccine  Zach reflects on the rapid development of the COVID vaccine, calling it a remarkable scientific achievement. He warns against politicizing such advancements and stresses the need to appreciate the collective benefits of vaccination.  43:30 The Future of Optimism and Progress  As the conversation wraps up, Zach shares his vision for the future of the Progress Network and the importance of maintaining a hopeful perspective amidst chaos.  

Daniel Pink joins Blue Sky for a lively and wide-ranging discussion.  He describes the importance of what he sees as a personal portfolio that includes a predominance of optimism that’s balanced by a healthy and helpful dose of pessimism. He also forceful debunks “the cynical genius illusion,” which leads to an undue bias towards those with cynical, negative viewpoints. He and Bill also discuss the connections between curiosity and optimism and Daniel describes the research and powerful conclusions from his latest bestseller, The Power of Regret: How Looking Backward Moves Us Forward.     Chapters: 02:36 Exploring Flexible Optimism  Daniel Pink discusses the concept of flexible optimism, emphasizing the balance between optimism and pessimism. He explains how both perspectives can contribute to better decision-making and leadership.  04:18 The Role of Purpose in Motivation  The conversation shifts to the importance of purpose over profit in motivating individuals. Daniel argues that a compelling purpose can inspire employees more effectively than mere financial goals.  07:27 Optimism vs. Pessimism in Today’s World  Daniel shares his perspective on the current state of the world, acknowledging both progress and significant challenges. He believes that it’s possible to hold both optimism and realism simultaneously.  12:19 Predictions for the Future  Daniel reflects on past predictions made about the future, highlighting how most extreme forecasts missed the mark. He emphasizes the value of moderate optimism in forecasting outcomes.  17:41 Understanding Regret  The discussion transitions to Daniel’s book, ‘The Power of Regret,’ where he challenges the notion of living without regrets. He explains how acknowledging and learning from regrets can lead to personal growth.  20:02 The Four Types of Regrets  Daniel categorizes regrets into four types: foundation, boldness, moral, and connection regrets. Each type reflects different aspects of life and decisions that people often reflect upon.  25:01 Learning from Regrets  The conversation explores how recognizing and confronting regrets can provide valuable insights into personal values and life choices.   30:04 Navigating Regret: A Path to Growth  In this chapter, the discussion centers around how to differentiate between wallowing in regret and using it as a learning tool.   33:01 The Future: What Will Matter Most?  Here, the conversation shifts to the long-term perspective on regrets and the decisions we make today.   34:24 Understanding Regrets of Omission  Daniel Pink shares insights on how our fears of risks can lead to regrets of omission, particularly among pessimists. This chapter explores the value of understanding our regrets to align with our core values and make better decisions.  36:01 Curiosity as an Optimistic Act  The dialogue delves into the relationship between curiosity and optimism, with Daniel asserting that curiosity stems from a sense of possibility.   39:02 The ‘Why Not?’ Approach  Daniel discusses his ‘Why Not?’ series, which encourages open-mindedness and exploration of unconventional ideas. The chapter emphasizes the importance of fostering possibilities rather than simply sharing opinions.  42:00 The Illusion of Cynical Intelligence  In this segment, the conversation tackles the misconception that cynicism equates to intelligence. Daniel explains the ‘cynical genius illusion’ and advocates for openness as a more accurate marker of intelligence.  45:26 What’s Next for Daniel Pink?  As the conversation wraps up, Daniel shares his current state of exploration and curiosity rather than focusing on a new book project.  

Chloe Valdary shares her unique way of thinking about – and training others – in the field of diversity and difference.  She describes her fascination with human beings in all our complexity and resists and rejects our tendencies to put everyone into the limiting categories of “oppressors or oppressed.”  Her thoughtful insights will make you think and might even challenge some listeners’ long-held beliefs.      Chapters: 02:20 Chloe Valdary’s Background  Chloe shares her journey from New Orleans to becoming a thought leader in inclusion and belonging. Her passion for the human condition drives her work at Theory of Enchantment.  04:40 Understanding the Theory of Enchantment  Chloe explains the concept of ‘enchantment’ as a balance between light and dark, contrasting it with the historical legacy of the Enlightenment. This framework aims to help individuals integrate their complexities.  09:27 Three Principles of Enchantment  Chloe introduces the three principles of the Theory of Enchantment: treating people as human beings, criticizing to uplift, and rooting actions in love. She elaborates on the first principle, emphasizing the complexity of human identity.  15:12 Exploring DEI Training Approaches  The conversation shifts to Chloe’s approach to DEI training, which focuses on celebrating human complexity rather than reducing individuals to political labels. She critiques the binary mindset prevalent in many DEI frameworks.  20:01 Celebrating Human Mystery  Chloe discusses a practice called ‘Who Am I?’ that encourages self-acceptance and recognizes the mystery within every individual.   23:34 The Illusion of Separation  Chloe highlights the dangers of viewing society through the lens of separation, noting that we often have more in common with those we perceive as different. She emphasizes the importance of curiosity and connection.  27:37 Navigating Organizational Challenges  Bill and Chloe discuss the varying environments Chloe encounters in organizations, from crisis situations to those merely checking boxes. She shares insights on how leadership alignment impacts the effectiveness of her training.  30:07 Transformative Training in Organizations  Chloe shares her experiences training managers in organizations, highlighting how effective communication can transform difficult customer interactions. She emphasizes the importance of having all stakeholders on board for successful training outcomes.  32:38 The Challenges of Leadership Buy-In  In this segment, Chloe reflects on the pitfalls of leadership initiatives that lack employee support, particularly when staff are overworked and burned out. She discusses the need for comprehensive engagement across all levels of an organization.  34:16 Navigating Complex Dynamics of Oppression  Chloe addresses the sensitive dynamics that arise when discussing oppression and how she carefully introduces these concepts in her workshops to avoid alienating participants.   38:31 Engaging with Law Enforcement  Chloe discusses her limited experience with police training and the complexities of addressing systemic issues within law enforcement.   42:29 The Role of Optimism in Challenging Work  In this reflective segment, Chloe shares her perspective on optimism amidst the challenges of addressing divisive social issues. She believes that fostering gratitude can lead to significant societal improvements and encourages others to engage in this practice.  47:35 Future Aspirations for Theory of Enchantment  Chloe reveals her exciting plans for the future of Theory of Enchantment, including incorporating music into her workshops to enhance personal expression and vulnerability.  

Bill Burke hosts this first-ever installment of “A Bit of Blue Sky.”  In this shorter episode, Bill explains that on the first Wednesday of every month, The Optimism Institute will release a shorter episode with information about the podcast, reflections on past episodes, and hints about new shows in the queue.  This month, to kick of 2025, Bill challenges his audience to make being more optimistic a New Years resolution.    Chapters: 00:32 Introducing A Bit of Blue Sky  Bill unveils a new mini podcast series called A Bit of Blue Sky, designed to provide shorter episodes for listeners who may not have time for full-length shows. He shares the intention behind this change and what listeners can expect in the future.  01:43 New Year’s Reflections and Resolutions  As the new year begins, Bill reflects on 2024 and discusses the common practice of setting New Year’s resolutions. He encourages listeners to consider making optimism a central goal for 2025.  02:30 The Benefits of Optimism  Bill explores the health benefits of being optimistic, highlighting how it contributes to a longer life and better overall well-being. He emphasizes the importance of surrounding ourselves with positivity and joy.  03:53 Practical Steps to Cultivate Optimism  In this chapter, Bill shares actionable advice on how to cultivate optimism, starting with managing social media habits. He suggests cleaning up feeds to focus on uplifting content and reducing exposure to negativity.  05:51 The Power of Gratitude  Bill discusses the strong connection between gratitude and optimism, encouraging listeners to adopt a gratitude practice. He believes that recognizing the positive aspects of life can enhance our outlook and resilience.  06:49 Support from the Optimism Institute  Bill assures listeners that the Optimism Institute will continue to provide uplifting content and support throughout the year. He encourages accountability among friends to help maintain a positive mindset. 

This is an encore presentation of the 50th episode of Blue Sky, when Bill was joined by someone who has completed more than 400 of them.  Bestselling author and TV/podcast host Kelly Corrigan describes to Bill the many things she’s learned in her life and career about optimism and how we all can benefit from life’s setbacks to become better people and forge stronger relationships.  Kelly reflects on lessons she learned from her parents and how facing her own cancer diagnosis and battle with the disease left her with a greater sense of empathy for others with similar hardships.  She also explains why she thinks intellectual humility is a key ingredient for an optimistic outlook and also that “there’s no feeling as good as being useful to someone.”  Chapters:    00:00 Introduction to Blue Sky Podcast Host Bill Burke introduces the 50th episode of the Blue Sky Podcast, highlighting its significance and the guest, Kelly Corrigan, an accomplished podcaster and author.   03:07 The Power of Lifelong Learning  Kelly Corrigan shares her insights on the importance of being a lifelong learner and how it fosters a mindset of curiosity and openness.   09:02 Optimism in Discovery The conversation delves into the optimistic belief that there is always more to learn and discover.   12:52 Finding Common Ground Bill and Kelly explore the idea of starting conversations with shared experiences rather than differences, highlighting the importance of empathy in discussions, especially in polarized environments.   16:17 Lessons from Kelly’s Dad  Kelly reflects on her father’s optimistic worldview and his unique way of greeting the day, which instilled a sense of joy and agency in her life. She shares how his perspective can inspire others to approach life with openness and positivity.  23:03 The Steadiness of Kelly’s Mom Transitioning to her mother’s influence, Kelly describes her mother’s calm and competent nature during challenging times, particularly during her cancer diagnosis.  30:00 The Beauty of Brokenness Kelly discusses her perspective that everyone is broken by the age of 50, and how this brokenness can lead to deeper connections with others. She emphasizes that meaningful connections often arise from shared hardships, transforming superficial interactions into profound conversations.  34:11 The Power of Shared Experiences The conversation shifts to how shared challenges can break down barriers and foster genuine connections among people.   37:57 Finding Purpose in Pain  Kelly shares the story of her cousin who became a source of support after losing her son, illustrating how personal tragedy can lead to a greater sense of purpose and empathy. The discussion touches on the transformative power of helping others through their struggles.  39:01 The Journey to Wellbeing Kelly introduces her PBS show focused on understanding wellbeing and the various factors that contribute to it, including mood, connection, and spirituality.   45:06 The Future of Mental Health Treatment The discussion highlights advancements in mental health treatment, emphasizing the potential for precision medicine to revolutionize how we approach mental health issues. Kelly and Bill express optimism about the ongoing research and the possibility of more effective, individualized treatments.  49:06 Embracing Uncertainty in Science Kelly reflects on her experiences interviewing leading scientists, revealing that even experts often disagree on key issues in mental health research. This segment emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and maturity in interpreting scientific findings.

Don Carpenter has spent the bulk of his career working on youth development.  Today he’s executive director of the Rural Futures Fund, an organization focused on kids in rural settings, working to help them close what he calls the “aspirations gap,” between them and their peers in more affluent settings.      Chapters: 01:11 Meet Don Carpenter  Bill introduces Don Carpenter, Executive Director of the Rural Futures Fund, an organization dedicated to enhancing educational opportunities for youth in rural areas.   03:03 The Trekker Model  Don discusses the Trekker youth development mentoring model, which connects caring adults with students in a cohort-based approach. This innovative model emphasizes outdoor experiences to foster relationships and personal growth over six years.  06:18 Focusing on Rural Youth  The conversation shifts to the unique challenges faced by youth in rural settings, particularly regarding educational aspirations.   07:32 The Birth of the Rural Futures Fund  Don explains the evolution of the Rural Futures Fund and its mission to support youth development initiatives. He shares how the fund aims to tackle the aspirations gap, particularly during the critical 8th to 9th-grade transition.  10:09 Creating the Aspirations Incubator  Don elaborates on the Aspirations Incubator, a project designed to empower rural communities by providing resources and support for youth development.   12:15 Measuring Success  The discussion turns to the metrics used to evaluate the success of the Aspirations Incubator. Don outlines the focus on social-emotional development, academic achievement, and post-secondary aspirations among participating youth.  22:35 Results and Learnings  Don shares the impressive results from the first cohort of the Aspirations Incubator, highlighting significant improvements in students’ sense of belonging and post-secondary enrollment rates.   29:09 Understanding Summer Melt  In this chapter, Don discusses the national phenomenon of summer melt, where a significant percentage of students fail to enroll in college after graduation. He highlights how their program achieved a remarkable 78% enrollment rate and the ongoing efforts to address this issue for future cohorts.  30:29 Reflections on Results  Don reflects on the outcomes of the program, sharing his initial expectations and the unexpected support provided to organizational leadership during the pandemic.   33:39 The Impact of the Pandemic  This chapter delves into how the pandemic influenced the program’s operations and the unique support provided to students during this challenging time. Don shares heartwarming examples of how program managers maintained connections and provided essential services to families.  36:37 Adapting to New Challenges  Don explains the fundamental differences in their model compared to traditional youth-serving organizations, especially in terms of maintaining relationships with students.   39:02 Looking Ahead: The Rural Youth Institute  Don introduces the Rural Youth Institute, designed to build on the successes of the previous program. He outlines its pillars and the intention to expand its reach beyond Maine to support rural youth nationwide.  44:04 The Importance of Community Connection  Don highlights the significance of fostering a sense of belonging among rural youth and the potential impact on their communities. He discusses the challenges of brain drain and how their program aims to empower young people to return and contribute to their hometowns.  46:01 A Legacy of Inspiration  In this closing chapter, Don shares the personal fulfillment he derives from his work, including officiating weddings for program alumni. The conversation wraps up with a reflection on the importance of optimism and community support in shaping the future of rural youth.