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This is an encore presentation of the 50th episode of Blue Sky, when Bill was joined by someone who has completed more than 400 of them.  Bestselling author and TV/podcast host Kelly Corrigan describes to Bill the many things she’s learned in her life and career about optimism and how we all can benefit from life’s setbacks to become better people and forge stronger relationships.  Kelly reflects on lessons she learned from her parents and how facing her own cancer diagnosis and battle with the disease left her with a greater sense of empathy for others with similar hardships.  She also explains why she thinks intellectual humility is a key ingredient for an optimistic outlook and also that “there’s no feeling as good as being useful to someone.”  Chapters:    00:00 Introduction to Blue Sky Podcast Host Bill Burke introduces the 50th episode of the Blue Sky Podcast, highlighting its significance and the guest, Kelly Corrigan, an accomplished podcaster and author.   03:07 The Power of Lifelong Learning  Kelly Corrigan shares her insights on the importance of being a lifelong learner and how it fosters a mindset of curiosity and openness.   09:02 Optimism in Discovery The conversation delves into the optimistic belief that there is always more to learn and discover.   12:52 Finding Common Ground Bill and Kelly explore the idea of starting conversations with shared experiences rather than differences, highlighting the importance of empathy in discussions, especially in polarized environments.   16:17 Lessons from Kelly’s Dad  Kelly reflects on her father’s optimistic worldview and his unique way of greeting the day, which instilled a sense of joy and agency in her life. She shares how his perspective can inspire others to approach life with openness and positivity.  23:03 The Steadiness of Kelly’s Mom Transitioning to her mother’s influence, Kelly describes her mother’s calm and competent nature during challenging times, particularly during her cancer diagnosis.  30:00 The Beauty of Brokenness Kelly discusses her perspective that everyone is broken by the age of 50, and how this brokenness can lead to deeper connections with others. She emphasizes that meaningful connections often arise from shared hardships, transforming superficial interactions into profound conversations.  34:11 The Power of Shared Experiences The conversation shifts to how shared challenges can break down barriers and foster genuine connections among people.   37:57 Finding Purpose in Pain  Kelly shares the story of her cousin who became a source of support after losing her son, illustrating how personal tragedy can lead to a greater sense of purpose and empathy. The discussion touches on the transformative power of helping others through their struggles.  39:01 The Journey to Wellbeing Kelly introduces her PBS show focused on understanding wellbeing and the various factors that contribute to it, including mood, connection, and spirituality.   45:06 The Future of Mental Health Treatment The discussion highlights advancements in mental health treatment, emphasizing the potential for precision medicine to revolutionize how we approach mental health issues. Kelly and Bill express optimism about the ongoing research and the possibility of more effective, individualized treatments.  49:06 Embracing Uncertainty in Science Kelly reflects on her experiences interviewing leading scientists, revealing that even experts often disagree on key issues in mental health research. This segment emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and maturity in interpreting scientific findings.

Don Carpenter has spent the bulk of his career working on youth development.  Today he’s executive director of the Rural Futures Fund, an organization focused on kids in rural settings, working to help them close what he calls the “aspirations gap,” between them and their peers in more affluent settings.      Chapters: 01:11 Meet Don Carpenter Bill introduces Don Carpenter, Executive Director of the Rural Futures Fund, an organization dedicated to enhancing educational opportunities for youth in rural areas.   03:03 The Trekker Model Don discusses the Trekker youth development mentoring model, which connects caring adults with students in a cohort-based approach. This innovative model emphasizes outdoor experiences to foster relationships and personal growth over six years.  06:18 Focusing on Rural Youth The conversation shifts to the unique challenges faced by youth in rural settings, particularly regarding educational aspirations.   07:32 The Birth of the Rural Futures Fund Don explains the evolution of the Rural Futures Fund and its mission to support youth development initiatives. He shares how the fund aims to tackle the aspirations gap, particularly during the critical 8th to 9th-grade transition.  10:09 Creating the Aspirations Incubator Don elaborates on the Aspirations Incubator, a project designed to empower rural communities by providing resources and support for youth development.   12:15 Measuring Success The discussion turns to the metrics used to evaluate the success of the Aspirations Incubator. Don outlines the focus on social-emotional development, academic achievement, and post-secondary aspirations among participating youth.  22:35 Results and Learnings Don shares the impressive results from the first cohort of the Aspirations Incubator, highlighting significant improvements in students’ sense of belonging and post-secondary enrollment rates.   29:09 Understanding Summer Melt In this chapter, Don discusses the national phenomenon of summer melt, where a significant percentage of students fail to enroll in college after graduation. He highlights how their program achieved a remarkable 78% enrollment rate and the ongoing efforts to address this issue for future cohorts.  30:29 Reflections on Results Don reflects on the outcomes of the program, sharing his initial expectations and the unexpected support provided to organizational leadership during the pandemic.   33:39 The Impact of the Pandemic This chapter delves into how the pandemic influenced the program’s operations and the unique support provided to students during this challenging time. Don shares heartwarming examples of how program managers maintained connections and provided essential services to families.  36:37 Adapting to New Challenges Don explains the fundamental differences in their model compared to traditional youth-serving organizations, especially in terms of maintaining relationships with students.   39:02 Looking Ahead: The Rural Youth Institute Don introduces the Rural Youth Institute, designed to build on the successes of the previous program. He outlines its pillars and the intention to expand its reach beyond Maine to support rural youth nationwide.  44:04 The Importance of Community Connection Don highlights the significance of fostering a sense of belonging among rural youth and the potential impact on their communities. He discusses the challenges of brain drain and how their program aims to empower young people to return and contribute to their hometowns.  46:01 A Legacy of Inspiration In this closing chapter, Don shares the personal fulfillment he derives from his work, including officiating weddings for program alumni. The conversation wraps up with a reflection on the importance of optimism and community support in shaping the future of rural youth. 

When Olivia Clarke was first diagnosed with cancer and began treatment, she looked for ways to keep her spirits up as the grueling treatments and symptoms became increasingly difficult.  Gradually, she noticed moments – in waiting rooms, treatment areas, with strangers – that, when looked at with a certain lens, could be seen as downright funny.  This inspired her to launch “Humor Beats Cancer,” and online community that encourages other cancer patients to share their own moments of levity to soften the blows of this terrible disease.  Olivia’s attitude of empathy, hope, and optimism is infectious and comes through loud and clear in this Blue Sky conversation.    Chapters:   01:11 Meet Olivia ClarkeOlivia Clarke, founder of Humor Beats Cancer, shares her journey from journalism to creating a supportive community for cancer patients through humor and storytelling.  02:11 Olivia’s Cancer Journey Begins Olivia recounts her unexpected breast cancer diagnosis in 2015 during a routine checkup, detailing the rapid progression of her treatment and the emotional toll it took.  04:01 The Return of Cancer After a period of being cancer-free, Olivia faces a stage four metastatic breast cancer diagnosis, leading to ongoing treatments and a search for coping mechanisms.  04:41 Finding Humor in Hardship Amidst her struggles, Olivia discovers that humor can be a powerful coping tool, leading her to create a platform for sharing funny cancer stories.  06:03 The Birth of Humor Beats Cancer In 2017, Olivia officially launches Humor Beats Cancer, utilizing social media to connect with others and share light-hearted stories that resonate with cancer patients.  07:21 The Impact of Humor Olivia discusses how humor helps patients cope with their experiences, fostering connections and reducing feelings of isolation through shared laughter.  10:51 Creating Humorous Care Packages Olivia explains the concept of humorous care packages designed to uplift cancer patients, filled with funny items and treats that defy traditional expectations.  12:59 The Power of Shared Stories Through shared experiences, Olivia highlights how humor can transform the cancer narrative, helping individuals feel less alone and more connected.  17:01 Involvement of Caregivers Olivia discusses the importance of including caregivers in her community, recognizing their challenges and the humor that can arise from their experiences.  18:49 Resilience and Optimism Olivia shares her personal strategies for staying positive amidst adversity, emphasizing the importance of a supportive network and a hopeful mindset.  24:21 Workplace Support During Illness Olivia reflects on the role of her supportive workplace during her cancer journey, highlighting the importance of understanding employers in navigating treatment.  29:02 The Four Fs of Support Olivia discusses the essential elements that helped her and Lee Woodruff navigate the challenges of cancer: friends, family, funny, and faith.   31:05 Navigating Information Overload Olivia shares her approach to cancer research, highlighting the importance of trusting medical professionals over diving into overwhelming information.   34:14 The Humor in Bad Advice The conversation shifts to the often ridiculous suggestions cancer patients receive, illustrating the awkwardness of well-meaning but misguided advice.   36:52 Empathy in Illness: The Struggle to Connect Olivia discusses the challenges of communication during illness, including the tendency for people to share their own experiences instead of listening.   39:05 Advice for New Patients Offering wisdom for those newly diagnosed, Olivia encourages them to document their questions and take things step by step.  

November is Gratitude Month at the Optimism Institute and this episode wraps up our celebration while kicking off Thanksgiving weekend.  Blue Sky host and founder of The Optimism Institute Bill Burke shares his thoughts on the tight link between gratitude and optimism and has selected excerpts from past episodes to drive this point home.  Blue Sky alums explain the health benefits of gratitude, the many reasons to be grateful to be alive today, and why, despite our many challenges, the United States and its founding ideals are worth believing in and being thankful for.      Chapters:  00:00 Welcome to Blue Sky Podcast Host Bill Burke introduces the Blue Sky Podcast, setting the stage for a special episode focused on gratitude. He emphasizes the importance of optimism and appreciation, especially during the Thanksgiving season.  01:20 The Meaning of Grace Bill explores the origins of the word ‘grace’ and its connection to gratitude, linking it to the Latin word ‘gratia.’   02:14 Cicero on Gratitude Quoting Cicero, Bill discusses the significance of gratitude as a foundational virtue that fosters optimism.  03:20 The Benefits of Gratitude Bill highlights the health benefits of optimism and gratitude, referencing Dr. Richie Davidson’s insights on neuroplasticity. He introduces a practice of appreciation before meals to deepen our sense of gratitude.  06:03 Embracing “Pronoia” Bill shares Kevin Kelly’s concept of “pronoia,” the belief that the universe is conspiring to help us succeed.   08:20 Life is Good: Gratitude in Adversity Bert Jacobs from Life is Good reflects on how letters from customers facing hardships revealed a common thread of gratitude.   11:00 Gratitude for America Bill pivots to discuss gratitude for the United States, featuring Anh Vu Sawyer’s thoughts on the freedom and resources America provides, enabling her to help others.  15:19 Loving America: A Personal Perspective Ted Johnson shares his deep love for America, emphasizing its promise of democracy and equality.   17:10 Countering Negativity in Media Bill discusses the challenge of negativity in the news and introduces guests like Angus Hervey and David Bornstein, who promote good news and solutions journalism.   18:24 The Power of Gratitude Chris Anderson emphasizes the importance of daily gratitude practices and how they can transform our outlook on life. He encourages listeners to appreciate the simple joys and connections we often take for granted.  20:30 Gratitude as Contagious David Gardner discusses the contagious nature of gratitude and optimism, highlighting how expressing appreciation can uplift others.   22:30 Appreciation in the Workplace David Novak shares his philosophy on the importance of appreciation in leadership and workplace culture.   25:38 Healthcare Innovations and Gratitude Bill reflects on the advancements in healthcare and the gratitude felt by patients and practitioners alike. He shares stories of resilience from guests who have faced significant health challenges.  28:00 Finding Gratitude in Hardship Christina Menkemeller shares her journey of finding gratitude amidst illness, emphasizing the importance of recognizing ‘Godwinks.’ Her practice of daily gratitude helps her combat negativity.  30:16 The Impact of Mentorship Bill highlights being grateful for mentors, with stories from Melissa Connolly and Jonathan Conyers. They express gratitude for the guidance they received, which now fuels their own efforts to help others.  33:01 The Pan Mass Challenge: A Legacy of Gratitude Billy Starr discusses the Pan Mass Challenge and the gratitude expressed by participants. He contrasts the supportive atmosphere of the event with other athletic competitions, highlighting the power of thankfulness. 

Kevin Adler grew up with a beloved uncle, Mark, who never forgot to send him a Hallmark card on his birthday.  Over time, Kevin learned that his uncle was unhoused and suffering from schizophrenia.  When Mark died at the age of 50, Kevin decided that working to solve the crisis of homelessness would be his life’s work.  The experience of having a close relative in this predicament made him realize that “everybody is somebody’s somebody,” and deserving of our compassion.  He founded Miracle Messages, a nonprofit working to tell the stories of individuals who are unhoused, in hopes of connecting and reuniting them with estranged friends and family.  To date, they have facilitated more than 800 people and have created a phone buddy system where volunteers communicate weekly with their assigned partner, building relationships where none existed before. Kevin Adler tells this story in his new book, When We Walk By, and shares many of these stories in this episode, while also describing his optimistic views on basic income and affordable housing programs.    Chapters: 03:09 The Personal Journey Begins Kevin recounts his personal connection to homelessness through his Uncle Mark, whose struggles profoundly influenced his life’s work. This emotional story sets the stage for Kevin’s mission to humanize those experiencing homelessness.  05:19 The Crisis of Shared Humanity Kevin discusses the dual crises of inadequate service systems and a lack of shared humanity in addressing homelessness.   08:12 The Jeffrey Story Kevin shares the poignant story of Jeffrey, a man he helped reconnect with his family after years of separation.   12:00 Understanding Relational Poverty The conversation shifts to the concept of relational poverty, emphasizing the importance of social connections in preventing homelessness.   16:39 Challenging Stereotypes Kevin discusses the harmful stereotypes surrounding homelessness and the diverse experiences of those affected.   19:54 Miracle Messages Programs Kevin elaborates on the various programs of Miracle Messages, including family reunification and the Miracle Friends Phone Buddy program.   25:00 The Impact of Basic Income The discussion turns to the controversial topic of basic income, with Kevin sharing insights from his organization’s pilot program.   30:01 Rethinking Assistance: The Impact of Basic Income In this chapter, Kevin Adler discusses the misconceptions surrounding financial assistance for the homeless, emphasizing that many recipients prioritize housing and basic needs over substance use.   32:01 Success Metrics: Measuring Impact Adler shares the positive outcomes of Miracle Messages’ programs, revealing that 80% of reunions lead to improved health and social conditions.   34:17 The Cost of Homelessness: A Financial Perspective This chapter dives into the financial implications of homelessness, comparing the costs of emergency services for unhoused individuals to the potential savings of providing basic income.   36:47 The Affordable Housing Crisis Adler tackles the pressing issue of affordable housing, discussing the systemic underinvestment and barriers faced by those in need.   39:13 Lessons from History: The 1906 San Francisco Earthquake Drawing parallels between the 1906 earthquake and today’s homelessness crisis, Adler illustrates how collective trauma can lead to community resilience and action.   46:15 Taking Action: How You Can Help In this chapter, Adler encourages listeners to engage with their communities and challenge misconceptions about homelessness.  

In a culture that celebrates competence and achievement, we often label people struggling to get things done as “lazy,” “disorganized,” or “irresponsible.”  But through her training and practice as a speech-language pathologist, Sucheta Kamath developed a passion for identifying people who struggle with executive function skills and has designed innovated ways to train them to better achieve their goals. In this episode, Sucheta describes her latest venture, ExQ, uses a cutting edge, “game-based” tools to systematically train fundamental cognitive skills related to focus, mindset, planning, organization, goal management, impulse control, emotional regulation, and self-awareness.    FMI on ExQ:  https://exqinfiniteknowhow.com/    Chapters: 02:05 Meet Sucheta Kamath Sucheta Kamath shares her background and journey into the field of speech language pathology, highlighting her passion for helping others.  06:26 The Journey to the U.S. Sucheta discusses her transition from India to the United States, detailing her experiences with cultural differences and the challenges of communication in a new environment.  10:03 A Formative Patient Experience Sucheta recounts a significant case involving a young mother who suffered a stroke during childbirth, exploring the cultural perceptions of communication needs and independence.  12:59 Lessons from Mass General Sucheta shares insights gained from treating diverse patients and the nuanced understanding of cognitive impairments.  16:32 Understanding Executive Function Sucheta defines executive function as a set of skills used to adjust thoughts and actions to achieve personal goals, emphasizing its complexity beyond mere organization.  19:20 The Importance of Executive Function Skills Delving deeper, Sucheta explains why executive function skills are crucial for success and how societal misconceptions undervalue these abilities in education.  24:48 Optimism and Agency Sucheta discusses the intersection of optimism and personal agency, emphasizing the importance of persistence and self-efficacy in achieving fulfillment.  28:05 The Evolution of Education Sucheta discusses the historical context of education, tracing its roots back to the era of child labor and how societal changes have influenced our current educational system.   33:44 Navigating Modern Challenges The conversation shifts to the external and internal challenges facing today’s youth, including the impact of social media, climate change, and feelings of anxiety and loneliness.   39:09 The Role of Technology in Learning Sucheta shares insights on the distractions posed by smartphones and social media in educational settings, advocating for limits on their use in schools. She highlights the need for students to build executive function skills to manage their digital interactions effectively.  44:01 Introducing EXQ: A New Curriculum Sucheta introduces her innovative curriculum, EXQ, designed to enhance students’ executive function skills through personalized learning. She outlines the key components of the program, focusing on self-awareness, emotional regulation, and strategic thinking.  51:18 Building Skills for the Future In this chapter, Sucheta elaborates on the specific skills she aims to instill in students through her curriculum, including problem-solving and resilience.   55:30 The Broader Impact of Executive Function The discussion wraps up with Sucheta reflecting on the broader implications of developing executive function skills, such as empathy and moral responsibility. She encourages listeners to consider how these skills can foster a more compassionate and engaged society. 

Melissa Connelly had a rocky start to her high school career, being placed in her school’s truancy program after missing sixty days of classes in 8th grade.  Fortunately, Melissa found her guidance counselor, Mrs. Jeter, who changed her life.  With her help, Melissa turned her academic career around and through determined optimism, managed to earn college degrees and build a successful, high impact life.  She now oversees OneGoal, a national postsecondary access and success organization and she shares her inspiring story on this episode of Blue Sky.    Chapters:    02:11 Meet Melissa Connelly Bill introduces Melissa Connelly, CEO of OneGoal, highlighting her journey as a first-generation college graduate and her commitment to helping underserved youth succeed in education.  03:21 A Challenging Upbringing Melissa details the struggles she faced as a child of a single mother and her experiences in a truancy program that initially hindered her education.  05:39 The Turning Point With the help of her social worker, Mrs. Jeter, Melissa learns to advocate for herself, transforming her academic trajectory from truancy to success in high school.  10:04 College Dreams Dashed Melissa recounts her emotional experience of arriving at NYU only to realize she couldn’t afford the cab fare, leading to a difficult return home and reassessment of her college journey.  13:10 Introducing OneGoal Melissa explains the mission of OneGoal, an organization dedicated to ensuring that every young person has the opportunity to achieve their post-secondary aspirations, addressing systemic barriers in education.  15:49 The Role of Mentorship Melissa draws parallels between her experience with Mrs. Jeter and the mentorship provided by OneGoal, emphasizing the importance of caring adults in students’ lives.  18:02 How OneGoal Operates Melissa describes how OneGoal identifies students in need of support and integrates its program into high schools to provide guidance and resources for post-secondary success.  21:02 Scaling the Impact Melissa shares the scale of OneGoal’s impact, serving over 14,000 students in 300 schools, and discusses the organization’s efforts to train districts to provide similar support.  28:37 Equity in Education Melissa discusses the need for equitable educational resources and support, emphasizing the importance of treating all students with the same care and attention afforded to athletes.  30:07 Measuring Success Melissa shares the metrics of success for OneGoal, highlighting how their students outperform peers in graduation rates. She emphasizes the importance of both data and personal stories that keep her motivated in the challenging work of education.  35:03 Breaking Negative Labels The conversation shifts to the impact of labels on students and how they can shape self-identity. Melissa advocates for removing negative stigmas and fostering a more supportive environment for all students.  36:53 Navigating the College Process Melissa shares personal insights about her son’s college application journey, revealing the challenges he faces in a system that often overlooks individual identities. This discussion highlights the need for more personalized attention in education.  42:01 The Future of Education Reflecting on the current state of education, Melissa emphasizes the need for systemic change to create equitable opportunities for all students.   46:06 Glimmers of Hope Melissa introduces the concept of ‘glimmers’ as positive signs amidst challenges, encouraging a focus on hope and solutions in education.   50:16 Looking Ahead: A Vision for OneGoal In a forward-looking discussion, Melissa envisions a future where OneGoal no longer needs to exist because the systemic issues in education have been addressed.  

Jamie Metzl is one of the world’s leading authorities on the implications of the intersecting AI, genetics, and biotechnology revolutions and how governments, corporations, organizations, and individuals can ride the wave of these unprecedented transformations to build their best possible futures. In this Blue Sky episode, he talks about the optimistic insights and opportunities he describes in his new book, Superconvergence.    Chapters: 01:11 Meet Jamie Metzl Bill introduces Jamie Metzl, a technology and healthcare futurist, highlighting his impressive background and recent works. The discussion begins to explore the themes of Jamie’s latest book, ‘Superconvergence.’  02:44 The Nature of Optimism Jamie shares his lifelong optimism and how his experiences, including his family’s history, have shaped his perspective.   06:07 The Power of Literacy The conversation shifts to the remarkable increase in global literacy rates over the past century. Jamie emphasizes the significance of empowered minds and the potential for collaboration in addressing global challenges.  09:11 Understanding Biological Change Jamie discusses the fluid nature of biology and the historical context of human intervention in biological systems.   13:10 Agricultural Innovations The discussion focuses on the advancements in agricultural productivity, including the role of genetically modified organisms (GMOs).   17:03 The Miracle of COVID Vaccines Jamie reflects on the rapid development of COVID vaccines, emphasizing the technological advancements that made it possible.   23:31 The Future of Precision Medicine The conversation shifts to the promise of targeted and personalized medicine, which tailors treatments to individual patients. Jamie discusses the potential for precision healthcare to revolutionize treatment and improve outcomes.  29:18 Confronting Climate Change In this chapter, Jamie Metzl discusses the pressing issue of climate change and its link to agriculture, highlighting how agricultural practices contribute significantly to carbon emissions.   30:04 Rethinking Agriculture Metzl dives into the complexities of animal agriculture, revealing its massive environmental footprint and the ethical dilemmas it presents. He argues for a shift in perspective on how we produce and consume animal products, advocating for sustainable alternatives.  33:14 The Promise of Cultivated Meat Exploring the emerging field of cell-cultured animal products, Metzl presents a vision for the future of meat that is both ethical and sustainable. He discusses how advancements in biotechnology could revolutionize our food systems while addressing environmental concerns.  36:04 Navigating Uncomfortable Innovations In this segment, Metzl addresses the discomfort many feel about lab-grown meat and encourages listeners to research the realities of conventional animal farming.   39:27 Balancing Risks and Rewards Metzl emphasizes the importance of weighing the potential risks and benefits of new technologies, including synthetic biology and genetic engineering. He highlights the need for careful consideration of the consequences while remaining optimistic about the innovations that can improve our lives.  44:40 Learning from History Reflecting on the lessons from history, Metzl discusses how past technologies have shaped our present challenges, such as climate change. He urges a forward-thinking approach that embraces innovation while acknowledging its complexities.  46:02 Embracing the Future In the closing chapter, Metzl encourages listeners to maintain an open mind about new technologies and their potential to solve pressing global issues. He stresses the importance of not getting locked into present anxieties, but rather looking ahead to the possibilities that lie in innovation. 

This is a special encore presentation of the very first episode of Blue Sky!  This conversation with David Gardner first aired in March of 2023 and is still one of our favorites.  David Gardner discusses a wide range of topics, from the relationship between optimism and entrepreneurship to developing an investment strategy with an eye towards your own positive vision for the future, to David’s outsized love for, of all things, board games!  Motley Fool: www.Fool.com    Chapters:   00:00 Welcome to Blue Sky Podcast In this encore presentation of Blue Sky’s inaugural episode, host Bill Burke introduces the Blue Sky Podcast and his guest, David Gardner, co-founder of the Motley Fool. 02:07 The Power of Optimism in Entrepreneurship David Gardner shares insights on the intrinsic link between optimism and entrepreneurship, emphasizing that successful ventures often begin with a hopeful vision. He discusses how optimism fuels creativity and persistence in business.  05:49 Investing with Purpose and Embracing Failure David elaborates on the philosophy of making investments that reflect one’s vision for the future while discussing the inevitability of failure in both investing and entrepreneurship.   12:00 Lifelong Learning and Adaptability The importance of lifelong learning is highlighted as David discusses how adaptability is crucial in a rapidly changing world. He shares personal anecdotes about his reading habits and the value of continuous education.  18:33 The Case for Conscious Capitalism David passionately defends capitalism as a force for good while explaining the principles of conscious capitalism, emphasizing purpose over profit and the importance of serving all stakeholders.   30:04 Rational Optimism and Future Progress The conversation delves into the concept of rational optimism, with David referencing historical progress in human society. He argues that despite current challenges, the trajectory of humanity is one of continual improvement.  34:03 The Future Is Here David discusses the rapid advancements in technology and how they shape our present and future, encouraging listeners to embrace innovations like AI.  37:01 Reflections on the Past and Leadership The discussion turns to the tendency to glorify the past while overlooking current advancements, with David sharing personal anecdotes.   43:07 The Power of Gratitude and The Motley Fool Foundation David discusses the link between gratitude and optimism, highlighting how expressing gratitude can enhance happiness and foster positive relationships. He also introduces the Motley Fool Foundation, aimed at improving financial literacy in underserved populations.  49:30 The Joy of Board Games The conversation takes a lighter turn as David shares his passion for board games and their role in family bonding.   56:17 The Roots of Optimism and Closing Thoughts David reflects on the origins of his optimism, attributing it to both genetic factors and life experiences, and shares personal stories that shaped his outlook.  

Today, Lee Ellis is an acclaimed and accomplished author and leadership coach.  But in 1967, while flying a combat mission over North Vietnam, he was shot down, captured, and held as a prisoner of war for five-and-a-half years at the “Hanoi Hilton,” where his group of fellow prisoners included the late Senator John McCain.  and on this Blue Sky episode, Colonel Lee Ellis shares his incredible story and the valuable leadership and life lessons he learned under these trying circumstances, as well as the optimistic and hopeful mindset he’s used to get him through his toughest challenges.   Chapters: 02:11 Meet Lee Ellis Lee Ellis shares his gratitude for being on the podcast and reflects on his long-standing connection with Bill Burke. They delve into Lee’s early life in Georgia and the pivotal moment that sparked his passion for flying.  05:03 The Vietnam Experience Begins He vividly describes the moment he was shot down during his 53rd mission over North Vietnam and the immediate aftermath of his capture.  07:13 Life as a POW Lee paints a picture of his harrowing life as a prisoner of war in the infamous Hanoi Hilton. He shares the challenges of living in cramped quarters with fellow POWs and the psychological toll of constant interrogation.  11:13 Finding Hope in Darkness In this chapter, Lee discusses the importance of hope and optimism during his captivity.   15:03 The Power of Leadership Lee reflects on the remarkable leadership displayed by senior officers in the POW camp. He emphasizes the significance of following a strong command structure and the impact it had on their morale and resilience.  21:10 Resilience and Adaptability Lee shares stories of resilience and adaptability among the POWs, including their innovative methods of communication.   25:35 Viktor Frankl’s InfluenceLee discusses how he came to read Viktor Frankl’s ‘Man’s Search for Meaning’ while imprisoned. He recounts a touching encounter with Frankl shortly after his release, reflecting on the profound impact of the book on his perspective.  27:51 The Power of Brotherhood Lee shares how the bond between fellow POWs fostered a sense of community and optimism during their harrowing experience.   29:23 A Career Beyond the POW Experience After returning home, Lee discusses his extensive career in the Air Force, highlighting his rise through the ranks and his passion for leadership training.   31:39 The Essence of Leadership Lee delves into the significance of leadership, explaining his motivation to help others become better leaders. He introduces his model of confidence and humility, illustrating how these traits can inspire teams and foster a positive work environment.  35:00 Listening: The Key to Great Leadership In this chapter, Lee emphasizes the importance of listening as a fundamental quality of effective leadership. He shares insights from his research, revealing that the ability to listen ranks highest among the traits people seek in their leaders.  38:23 Gratitude Through Adversity Lee reflects on how his POW experience shaped his perspective on life and gratitude. He discusses the psychological resilience developed through hardship and how it influences his outlook on modern challenges.  43:39 Optimism and the Future As Lee addresses the current state of the country, he expresses concerns about polarization and the impact of technology on personal connections. He shares his hope for a future where leaders prioritize respect and understanding across differences.  50:01 Lessons from Lee Ellis In the closing segment, Lee summarizes key lessons from his life experiences, emphasizing belief in oneself, the importance of relationships, and faith in a higher power. His insights serve as a powerful reminder of the values that can guide us through adversity. 

Theodore (Ted) R. Johnson served twenty years in the United States Navy before becoming a columnist and author.  His latest book, If We Are Brave is a collection of essays on race in America, and in this Blue Sky conversation, Ted describes his pragmatic optimism and belief that the United States has in its founding ideals the path towards forming a “more perfect union.”  Ted’s personal story is remarkable, rising from humble beginnings to become an officer in the US Navy, White House Fellow, and speechwriter for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.    Chapters: 02:33 Meet Ted Johnson: A Journey from the South Ted Johnson shares his upbringing in North Carolina, detailing the duality of growing up in a predominantly white suburb while attending a black church. His experiences shaped his worldview and influenced his educational and career choices.  06:10 From HBCU to the Navy Ted discusses his decision to attend Hampton University and how it led him to a career in the Navy. He reflects on how a chance encounter with a Navy recruiter changed his life trajectory.  09:43 A Career in the Navy: Unexpected Turns Ted recounts his 20-year journey in the Navy, highlighting key experiences that led him to become a speechwriter for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.   12:12 The Power of Writing: Ted’s Passion Ted reveals his love for writing and how it became a central focus of his post-military career. He discusses his first book, ‘When the Stars Begin to Fall,’ and the themes of racism and optimism that permeate his work.  18:09 Why Ted Loves America Ted explains his deep love for America, likening it to familial bonds. He reflects on the nation’s promise of democracy and equality, despite its historical shortcomings.  20:15 Reflections on Progress Since Trayvon Martin Ted discusses the impact of Trayvon Martin’s death on his perspective and activism. He evaluates the progress made in addressing racism in America over the past twelve years, noting both advancements and ongoing challenges.  25:45 The Role of Organizations in Promoting Diversity Ted shares his thoughts on how businesses can better reflect the communities they serve through diversity and inclusion efforts.   29:01 The Complexity of Affirmative Action Ted and Bill explore the nuances of affirmative action, discussing how perceptions change based on personal experiences.   32:01 The Founding Ideals vs. Historical Flaws The conversation shifts to the founding documents of the United States, emphasizing the need to separate the ideals from the flawed individuals who created them.   36:16 Introducing If We Are Brave Ted discusses his latest book, If We Are Brave, which aims to present a national conversation on race through his unique perspective. He shares insights into the essays included and the themes of optimism and realism that permeate his work.  39:49 The Legacy of Optimism Reflecting on his family’s history, Ted shares how the optimism of his ancestors inspires him to believe in a better future for America.   42:12 New America and the US at 250 Initiative Ted introduces New America, a think tank focused on evolving policies to match societal changes, and discusses the US at 250 initiative. This project aims to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence by fostering dialogue and understanding across diverse communities.  45:30 The Impact of ‘If We Are Brave’ In the final segment, Ted expresses his hopes for readers of his book to gain a deeper understanding of race and democracy in America.  

Lee Woodruff and her husband Bob were, in many ways, on top of the world.  She was with her children at Walt Disney World while Bob was overseas in one of his first news gathering assignments after being named a co-anchor of ABC World News Tonight.  Everything changed in an instant when the vehicle Bob was traveling in hit a roadside bomb and he sustained a traumatic brain injury.  From there, Lee and his family faced the challenges of trauma, grief, and persevered thanks to what Lee describes as her “Four F’s”: Family, Friends, Funny, and Faith.”  Not long after Bob made an against-the-odds recovery, he and Lee founded the Bob Woodruff Foundation, which helps support veterans, servicemembers, and their families.      Chapters:   00:31 The Woodruff Story: Love and Triumph Lee Woodruff shares her journey with her husband Bob, detailing their love story, career changes, and the sudden shift in their lives due to personal tragedy.  02:08 A Life of Accomplishments Lee discusses her multifaceted career as a bestselling author, public speaker, and co-founder of the Bob Woodruff Foundation, which supports veterans with traumatic brain injuries.  04:42 The Impact of Tiananmen Square Lee recounts Bob’s transformative experience reporting on the Tiananmen Square protests, which redirected his career from law to journalism.  08:31 The Shocking News Lee describes the moment she received the devastating news of Bob’s injury while at Disney World, highlighting the emotional turmoil and urgency of the situation.  12:14 The Four F’s  Amidst chaos, Lee identifies the four pillars—family, friends, funny, and faith—that helped her navigate the challenges of Bob’s recovery.  13:16 The Birth of the Bob Woodruff Foundation After Bob’s recovery, Lee explains the motivation behind founding the Bob Woodruff Foundation, aiming to support veterans and families affected by war injuries.  16:03 Finding Strength in Adversity Lee reflects on how the couple’s response to adversity became a source of inspiration, emphasizing the importance of perspective in overcoming life’s challenges.  19:14 Bob’s Remarkable Recovery Lee shares insights into Bob’s recovery journey, acknowledging the uniqueness of each brain injury experience while celebrating his progress.  22:05 Navigating Complicated Grief Lee discusses the complexities of grief when a loved one survives but changes, highlighting the importance of allowing oneself to mourn what has been lost.  29:02 The Foundation’s Humble Beginnings Lee Woodruff shares how the foundation started from a lack of expertise but evolved into a vital resource for veterans.  30:31 Innovative Solutions for Veterans The discussion highlights the foundation’s innovative efforts in addressing infertility issues for veterans, showcasing their commitment to helping families in need.   32:06 Mobilizing Awareness Through Personal Experience Lee reflects on how her husband’s injury brought national attention to veterans’ issues, emphasizing the importance of treating returning service members with dignity.   33:05 Navigating Caregiving and Grief Lee discusses the complexities of caregiving and the unique challenges faced by families in crisis.   37:11 The Impact on Family: Growing Through Adversity Lee reflects on how her children’s experiences during her husband’s recovery have shaped them into empathetic individuals.   40:49 Looking Ahead: New Ventures and Aspirations As Lee shares her future aspirations, including a new novel and media consulting work, she reflects on the lessons learned from her journey.   42:17 Closing Thoughts: Embracing Life’s Challenges In the final segment, Lee emphasizes the importance of playing the hand you’re dealt and finding silver linings in adversity. 

This is a special encore edition of an episode which first aired in March of 2023.  In the time since then, our guest has added yet another best-selling book to his list of titles, “How Leaders Learn.”     David Novak has had a remarkably successful career and one that was defined by his boundless enthusiasm and contagious sense of optimism.  He describes in this episode that he’s never come across a leader who wasn’t an optimist and reflects on why he thinks this is the case.  He also discusses the inspiring work he’s been doing since leaving his job at the top of Yum! Brands, where he was widely considered to be one of the top CEO’s in the world.    Chapters: 03:03 The Importance of Leadership David discusses why he believes leadership is a privilege and a responsibility, emphasizing the need for effective leaders who can inspire and motivate.   05:38 Formative Experiences: A Trailer Park Kid David shares his unique upbringing as a ‘trailer park kid,’ moving frequently and learning the importance of making friends. He reflects on how this experience shaped his understanding of people and the value of relationships in leadership.  09:40 Optimism in Leadership David explores the critical role of optimism in leadership, asserting that successful leaders must create hope and define reality for their teams. .  14:04 The Power of Recognition David shares his belief in the significance of recognizing and appreciating employees’ efforts.   19:00 Creating a Culture of Appreciation David discusses how he fostered a culture of recognition at Yum! Brands, highlighting the ripple effect of appreciation in leadership.   24:47 Overcoming Worry and Fear David addresses the common fears and anxieties that leaders face, sharing insights on how to overcome them.   26:54 The Lifelong Learning Mindset David discusses the value of being a lifelong learner and his ongoing commitment to self-improvement. He emphasizes that effective leaders combine confidence with humility, recognizing the importance of learning from others.  30:08 Embracing the Unknown Host Bill Burke shares a pivotal moment from his past with Ted Turner, emphasizing the importance of taking the first step into uncertainty.   31:52 David Novak Leadership: A Mission to Empower David discusses his mission to develop better leaders through the David Novak Leadership initiative, which offers programs for all ages.   35:11 Teaching Leadership in Schools In this chapter, David explains the challenges and successes of integrating leadership programs into school curriculums.  40:06 Hiring with Intention David reveals his unique approach to hiring, emphasizing the importance of character and how potential hires treat others.   45:00 The Birth of Cool Ranch Doritos David recounts the creative process behind the iconic Cool Ranch Doritos, illustrating how looking outside one’s category can lead to innovation.   49:57 Optimism and Unfinished Business In this chapter, David discusses the role of optimism in overcoming setbacks and pursuing unfinished business in life.  

Known in the science community primarily for her work as a geneticists and epidemiologist with a focus on oncology, Immaculata De Vivo seems like an unlikely person to co-Author a book called, “The Biology of Kindness.”  But the more she understood the role that behavior played in our wellbeing and that it can even have an impact on our DNA structures, the more she wanted to write her findings in a book that would be accessible to people outside the world of academia.  In this episode, Immaculata describes why all scientists must be optimists, and why we should all keep open minds and strive to be lifelong learners who don’t “fall in love with our hypotheses.”  She also describes the “five values” that are key to our wellbeing: kindness, optimism, forgiveness, gratitude, and happiness and offers practical advice and examples for how we might pursue this in our lives.     Chapters:   02:05 Introducing Immaculata De Vivo Bill welcomes Immaculata De Vivo, a prominent figure in cancer epidemiology and co-author of ‘The Biology of Kindness.’ They discuss her impressive academic background and the intriguing intersection of her scientific research with the themes of kindness and positivity.  03:30 The Journey to Kindness Immaculata shares her unexpected journey from molecular biology to writing about kindness.  08:00 Optimism in Science Bill and Immaculata explore the necessity of optimism in scientific research, discussing how failures are a common part of the process.   09:19 Nature vs. Nurture The conversation shifts to the nature versus nurture debate, with Immaculata quoting, ‘genes load the gun, the environment pulls the trigger.’   12:30 Understanding Telomeres This chapter highlights the biological mechanisms behind aging and the importance of maintaining a healthy lifestyle to mitigate accelerated telomere shortening.  15:00 The Science of Kindness Immaculata discusses the motivation behind her book, ‘The Biology of Kindness,’ and the importance of making scientific information accessible to a broader audience.   19:00 The Five Values of Well-Being The conversation transitions to the five fundamental values outlined in Immaculata’s book: kindness, optimism, forgiveness, gratitude, and happiness.   24:00 Adaptability and Evolution Immaculata reflects on the concept of adaptability in evolution, challenging the notion of ‘survival of the fittest.’ She emphasizes that kindness and the ability to adapt are crucial for survival, drawing parallels to Darwin’s observations.  25:15 The Impact of Nature and Music The discussion shifts to the benefits of nature and music on mental health and well-being. Immaculata shares insights from her colleagues on how these elements can lower stress and positively influence our biological markers.  30:00 Defining Optimism The hosts discuss a straightforward definition of optimism, emphasizing the belief that tomorrow can be better than today.   32:00 Optimism in Science and Personal Experience Immaculata shares her journey into the world of optimism through her experiences and meetings with experts.  35:00 The Genetic and Environmental Aspects of Optimism The conversation delves into the genetic and environmental influences on optimism, suggesting that while some may be predisposed to optimism, there are numerous ways to cultivate it.   39:00 Gratitude as a Tool for Optimism Immaculata discusses the power of gratitude in enhancing one’s outlook on life, sharing personal anecdotes about practicing gratitude with her own daughter.   41:00 The Swimmer Experiment: A Lesson in Mindset The hosts explore Martin Seligman’s swimmer experiment, illustrating how optimism and pessimism can influence performance under pressure.   46:00 Leaving with Hope Immaculata expresses her goal of leaving audiences feeling hopeful and inspired, regardless of the challenges discussed.  

The husband and wife team of Mary Louise and Bruce Cohen have impressive backgrounds in law and government and for the past ten years, they’ve used their skills to advance the cause of skilled refugees around the world.  The organization they co-founded, Talent Beyond Boundaries (TBB), identifies refugees with marketable skills and places them in a talent database that matches them with eager employers.  The Cohens tackle their intimidating challenges with an inspiring sense of can-do optimism and their TBB’s success is a reflection of these efforts.    Chapters: 01:02 Meet the Cohens Bill introduces Mary Louise and Bruce Cohen, a husband and wife team dedicated to helping refugees through their organization, Talent Beyond Boundaries.  04:05 Transitioning to Nonprofit Work The Cohens discuss their transition from their legal careers to nonprofit work, driven by a desire to contribute more significantly to society, particularly in the realm of immigration reform.  08:10 Challenges Faced by Refugees Mary Louise outlines the various obstacles refugees encounter, such as lack of documentation and legal barriers, which hinder their ability to utilize their skills in new countries.  10:12 The Focus on Skilled Labor Pathways The Cohens explain how Talent Beyond Boundaries aims to create skilled labor pathways for refugees, emphasizing the importance of self-reliance over traditional humanitarian aid.  15:27 Employer Engagement and Support Bill and the Cohens discuss the growing support from private sector employers who are increasingly willing to underwrite costs associated with hiring refugees.  19:14 The Future of Refugee Talent in the U.S. Mary Louise and Bruce express optimism about the potential for the U.S. to recognize the value of refugee talent and the need for reform in immigration policies.  21:28 The Ripple Effects of Their Work The Cohens discuss the significant positive impacts of their work, including increased income for relocated families and the long-term benefits for future generations.  24:02 Changing Perceptions of Refugees They emphasize the importance of changing societal perceptions of refugees, highlighting their resilience and the skills they bring to their new communities.  27:10 Strategic Goals for the Future The conversation wraps up with a discussion of Talent Beyond Boundaries’ strategic goals, focusing on expanding access to skilled immigration pathways for refugees.  30:00 Navigating Skilled Worker Pathways This chapter discusses Canada’s skilled workers federal program and how refugees are increasingly applying independently.   32:44 Collaborative Efforts for Systemic Change Mary Louise and Bruce share insights on their long-term goal of transforming global immigration systems. They discuss the increasing involvement of international organizations like the UN and the International Organization for Migration in promoting complementary solutions to humanitarian resettlement.  36:47 The Future Vision of Talent Beyond Boundaries As Mary Louise and Bruce discuss their future roles, they articulate a vision where TBB’s services are no longer needed due to open pathways for skilled refugees.   38:28 Connecting with Talent Beyond Boundaries The Cohens provide information on how potential employers and supporters can connect with TBB. They emphasize the importance of community engagement and the organization’s charitable status across multiple countries.   40:21 Reflections on Progress and Optimism The episode wraps up with reflections on the technological advancements that support TBB’s mission and the hopeful vision for the future of immigration pathways. The guests express gratitude for the opportunity to share their inspiring journey. 

At a time in her life that should have been one of her happiest – just prior to her wedding – Christina Menkemeller developed frightening symptoms and was given a devastating diagnosis.   In the wake of this news, Christina’s fiancé Cardin never wavered in his commitment and the newlywed couple decided to take a yearlong trip that would change the course of their lives.  After facing the understandable “why me” moments, Christina was buoyed by her faith and a sense of gratitude and decided to launch a nonprofit – called Being Positioned – to help others with conditions like hers go on their own dream trips.  She describes this organization as a sort of “Make-A-Wish for adults” and it’s already making a huge impact and helping her find purpose in her suffering.    Chapters: 02:11 Meet Christina Menkemeller Bill welcomes Christina, his first cousin once removed, and expresses excitement about their family connection. She shares her journey leading up to a life-changing diagnosis that altered her path.  03:00 Facing a Life-Altering Diagnosis Christina recounts the frightening onset of her symptoms just before her wedding, leading to a diagnosis of a rare, debilitating disease. She discusses the emotional turmoil of receiving such news at a critical moment in her life.  07:01 The ‘Why Me?’ Moment Christina reflects on the devastating moment of her diagnosis and the fear of losing her hearing. She shares how her husband, Cardin, provided unwavering support during this challenging time.  10:24 A Bold Decision to Travel After grappling with Christina’s diagnosis, Cardin suggests they quit their jobs and travel the world. This chapter explores the couple’s decision-making process and the motivation behind their adventurous leap.  14:28 Transformative Travels Christina describes how their year-long trip changed her outlook on life, helping her regain confidence and joy. 19:08 A Newfound Courage Midway through their travels, she begins to shed her fears and embrace life more fully.   20:07 The Birth of a Nonprofit Upon returning home, Christina feels inspired to create a nonprofit, ‘Being Positioned,’ aimed at helping others with rare genetic disorders. She discusses the motivation behind this initiative and its mission to provide unforgettable travel experiences.  25:20 Empowering Others Through Travel Christina explains how ‘Being Positioned’ facilitates dream trips for adults facing life-altering health conditions.   30:13 The Power of Community She discusses the emotional support she receives from her partner and the importance of community in facing challenges.  31:41 Finding Purpose in Suffering In this chapter, Christina shares her journey of finding meaning in her suffering and how it has transformed her outlook on life. She emphasizes the significance of therapy and the importance of recognizing the impact of her struggles on others.  33:05 From Idea to Reality: Creating ‘Being Positioned’ Christina recounts her journey from a moment of inspiration to the creation of her ambitious nonprofit. She highlights the importance of optimism in entrepreneurship and how her experiences fueled her desire to help others.  37:01 Empathy Born from Experience This chapter explores how Christina’s diagnosis has deepened her empathy for others facing similar struggles. She shares a poignant moment of connection with a fellow patient, illustrating the power of shared experiences.  40:41 Choosing Gratitude Amidst Hardship Christina offers valuable advice on cultivating gratitude during difficult times, emphasizing the importance of recognizing small moments of joy. She shares her personal practice of journaling gratitude and how it helps her navigate her challenges.  43:53 A Message of Hope and Inspiration Christina reflects on her journey and the strength she draws from her faith and gratitude. The conversation wraps up with a heartfelt acknowledgment of her resilience and the positive impact she aims to create through her work. 

Dr. Liz Henry is highly-regarded professional in the fields of pediatrics and parenting and in this Blue Sky conversation, she shares her views on everything from technology, drugs and alcohol, whether it’s tougher to be a kid today, and more.  The content is relevant for kids, current parents, past parents, and even adults who might take this information and cut their own parents a little slack.  Dr. Liz is optimistic, enthusiastic, and engaging and her advice is both helpful and practical, with much of it pulled from her best-selling book, You Are Not a Bad Parent: A Pediatrician’s Guide to Reducing Conflict and Connecting with Your Teens.  Chapters: 03:36 The Choice of Pediatrics Doctor Liz shares her path to pediatrics, highlighting her passion for preventive care and the importance of fostering relationships with families to promote children’s well-being.  05:24 Navigating Parent-Child Relationships Doctor Liz discusses the delicate balance of being a friend and a parent, emphasizing the need for open communication and the ability to switch roles when necessary.  07:55 The Technology Debate Doctor Liz weighs in on the ongoing debate about technology use among children, advocating for a balanced approach that emphasizes education and role modeling.  12:51 Coddling and Parenting Styles Bill and Doctor Liz explore the trend of parents taking their children’s side in disputes, discussing the importance of fostering independence and resilience in kids.  15:03 Redefining Good Parenting Doctor Liz reflects on her book’s purpose to reassure parents that they are not ‘bad parents,’ encouraging them to embrace their concerns and focus on connection with their children.  18:00 Social Media’s Impact on Parenting The discussion turns to the influence of social media on parenting, with Doctor Liz highlighting both its benefits and pitfalls in fostering unrealistic comparisons among parents.  21:09 The Youth Mental Health Crisis Doctor Liz discusses the alarming rise in youth mental health issues, attributing it to societal pressures and unprecedented global challenges that today’s teens face.  24:02 Addressing the Mental Health Shortage The conversation touches on the shortage of mental health professionals and the need for accessible counseling services in schools to support youth effectively.  27:40 Conflict in Parent-Teen Relationships Doctor Liz reveals a surprising source of conflict between parents and teens, emphasizing the importance of understanding and communication to avoid unnecessary power struggles.  29:30 Bridging Divides: The Polarization Dilemma Doctor Liz discusses the increasing polarization in society and how it affects adult relationships. She emphasizes the importance of acknowledging differing viewpoints, even when they seem ridiculous, to foster understanding and connection.  32:03 Kids’ Voices Matter: Shifting Perspectives Doctor Liz highlights the need to recognize children’s contributions in society and the importance of listening to their perspectives. She argues that decisions should consider how they impact the next generation, rather than sidelining their voices.  35:12 The Importance of Listening to Kids The conversation shifts to the necessity of engaging with children about their experiences and concerns in today’s world. Doctor Liz stresses that parents should actively seek their children’s input, which can lead to valuable insights and understanding.  42:07 The Potential of the Next Generation Exploring the optimism surrounding today’s youth, Doctor Liz reflects on their unique strengths and capabilities.   44:44 Closing Thoughts: Connecting Generations In the conclusion, Doctor Liz shares her insights on the importance of intergenerational communication and connection. She encourages parents to engage with their children genuinely, fostering relationships that benefit everyone involved. 

Note for Encore Presentation:  This episode originally dropped in April of 2023 and in the time since, you’ve no doubt heard Bill quote from Kevin – and his latest book – on numerous occasions.  If you heard this one when it debuted last year, I do think it’s worth another listen, and if this is your first time, we promise you’re in for a treat.     The legendary Kevin Kelly shares his optimistic views on technology and our collective future.  As someone who was building online communities as early as the 1980’s and helped create Wired magazine in 1993, Kevin has seen it all, and his fascinating insights and predictions on subjects including social media and artificial intelligence are based on years of hands-on experience.  He and Bill also discuss some of their favorite excerpts from Kevin’s great new book, Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier.  As Seth Godin says, “One hundred years from now, when so much of the nonsense of our age is forgotten, people will still remember Kevin Kelly and his wisdom.”    Chapters: 02:28 The Power of Optimism Kevin shares his insights on why optimism is crucial for envisioning a better future, emphasizing that it is through optimism that we can imagine and create positive change.   07:17 Technology’s Double-Edged Sword The conversation shifts to the challenges posed by technology, with Kevin discussing how many of today’s problems stem from past technological solutions. 10:15 Addressing Climate Change Kevin emphasizes the need for technological solutions to tackle climate change, arguing that personal virtue alone is insufficient.   12:29 The Lifespan of Technology Kevin likens technology to babies, explaining that we can only fully understand its potential as it matures and evolves.   15:35 Social Media: An Ongoing Experiment Kevin discusses the complexities of social media’s impact, suggesting that we are still in the early stages of understanding its effects.  21:13 AI: Underhyped or Overhyped? The conversation turns to AI, with Kevin arguing that AI is currently underhyped in terms of its future potential. He explains that while current AI tools are impressive, they are just the beginning of a much larger evolution in technology.  25:09 Excellent Advice for Living Kevin introduces his latest book, Excellent Advice for Living, sharing his motivation for compiling wisdom and insights into a concise format.   34:50 The Value of True Connections This chapter underscores the importance of cultivating deep relationships over superficial ones, advocating for quality over quantity.   36:36 Old-Fashioned Values in Modern Times The discussion shifts to the Amish lifestyle, highlighting their commitment to family meals and the balance of technology in their lives. Kevin reflects on how these traditional values can inform modern living.  38:16 Dancing in the Rain The metaphor of dancing in the rain serves as a reminder to embrace life’s challenges and find joy in adversity.   40:04 The Power of Attention They emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the conscious allocation of attention in a distraction-filled world.   42:21 Embracing “Pronoia” The concept of “pronoia,” the belief that the universe is conspiring to help us, is introduced as an antidote to negativity. They discuss how gratitude and generosity can enhance our lives and relationships.  46:00 Finding Common Ground The hosts discuss the importance of identifying shared values in conversations, especially in politically charged discussions. They suggest that focusing on agreement can help bridge divides and foster understanding.  48:31 Meeting Etiquette and Respect This chapter offers advice for running effective meetings, including the value of ending them early and ensuring contributions are meaningful.   50:00 The Engine of Optimism The episode concludes with a powerful analogy comparing optimism to an engine that drives progress. 

Alexandra “Lexi” Hudson was raised by a philosopher father and a mother who is a recognized manners expert.  As a result, she has spent much of her life contemplating what forms of behavior constitute “the good life,” and lead to human flourishing.  Following a disheartening stint working in government and seeing even spotty incidents of politeness masking an underlying incivility, she was driven to write her new book, which reaches back to great thinkers and writers throughout history to teach us timeless lessons. It is this work that forms the basis of this Blue Sky conversation.    From her book description:  “From classical philosophers like Epictetus, to great twentieth-century thinkers like Martin Luther King Jr., to her own experience working in the federal government during one of the most politically fraught eras in our nation's history, Hudson examines how civility—a respect for the personhood and dignity of others—transcends political disagreements. Respecting someone means valuing them enough to tell them when you think they are wrong.”    Order The Soul of Civility Chapters: 02:05 Meet Lexi Hudson Bill introduces his guest, Alexandra Hudson, a writer and speaker dedicated to civility and human flourishing.   04:50 The Disease of Division Lexi discusses the societal ‘disease’ of division and incivility, reflecting on her experiences in government.   06:54 Growing Up with Judy the Manners Lady Lexi shares her unique upbringing as the daughter of Judi the Manners Lady, highlighting the influence of her mother’s kindness and emphasis on community.   08:00 Civility vs. Politeness Lexi distinguishes between civility and politeness, explaining that civility is rooted in recognizing others as moral equals.   11:40 The Importance of Disagreement Lexi emphasizes that true civility sometimes requires engaging in difficult conversations and disagreeing respectfully.   13:02 Global Trends in Incivility The conversation shifts to the global rise of incivility, with Lexi noting that the challenges faced in the U.S. are mirrored worldwide.   16:06 The Role of Social Media Lexi discusses the impact of social media on societal discourse, drawing parallels to historical concerns about new technologies. She highlights the need for mindfulness in digital interactions to preserve humanity.  22:33 Remembering the Human Element Lexi stresses the importance of recognizing the human side of social media interactions, which can often lead to dehumanization. She encourages listeners to maintain empathy and connection in digital communications.  27:20 Navigating Opinions in a Divided World Lexi shares insights on the pressure to have opinions on every issue, especially during crises. She advocates for the idea that it’s okay to refrain from engaging in every argument, emphasizing the value of thoughtful consideration.  33:37 The Perils of Constant Distraction Drawing from Blaise Pascal’s insights, Lexi addresses humanity’s struggle with distraction and the inability to sit quietly in solitude. She argues that this constant need for stimulation detracts from self-awareness and authentic connections with others.  36:01 The Call for Solitude and Self-Reflection Lexi elaborates on Pascal’s thoughts regarding the necessity of solitude for understanding oneself and forming meaningful relationships. She emphasizes that embracing quiet moments can lead to deeper connections and a more fulfilling life.  37:50 Envisioning a Civil Society In the concluding segment, Lexi paints a hopeful picture of a society transformed by the principles outlined in her book, advocating for deeper connections and understanding among individuals. She envisions a world where civility fosters warmth, intimacy, and genuine curiosity about one another. 

Tim Fitzpatrick learned about healthcare the hard way, as a long-term inpatient undergoing a battery of surgeries to address injuries sustained while serving as a pilot in the US Navy.  After recovering and leaving the service, Tim was an equities trader for a bank, and after learning more about new media technologies, then meeting a physician who was pioneering virtual reality in healthcare, Tim found his passion, and left his job to co-found IKONA, where he now serves as CEO.  This innovative and inspiring company is using virtual reality tools to help kidney patients understand the sometimes scary challenges faced when moving to a home dialysis setting.      Chapters:    01:11 Meet Tim Fitzpatrick Tim Fitzpatrick, co-founder and CEO of IKONA, shares his personal journey into healthcare, shaped by his experiences as a long-term hospital inpatient. His background in the Navy and finance laid the groundwork for his passion for healthcare innovation.  02:22 The Impact of Personal Experience Tim delves into his hospital experiences, discussing the empathy he developed for patients and the insights he gained about the healthcare system. He reflects on how these experiences motivated him to pursue a career in healthcare technology.  07:03 From Navy to Trading Transitioning from the Navy to a trading career, Tim explains how his military training prepared him for high-pressure environments. He shares how his time in finance helped him recognize what truly drives him, ultimately leading him back to healthcare.  11:57 The Birth of IKONA Tim recounts the origins of IKONA Health, highlighting the innovative work of his cofounders in using virtual reality to enhance patient education.   16:31 Innovating Patient Experience As Tim discusses the evolution of IKONA’s technology, he emphasizes the importance of improving patient experiences in healthcare settings. He explains how virtual reality can help patients prepare for surgeries and manage anxiety.  21:09 The Role of VR in Kidney Care Tim elaborates on how IKONA’s VR solutions are tailored for patients with kidney failure, particularly in educating them about home dialysis options. He discusses the emotional and instructional benefits of VR in helping patients make informed decisions.  29:03 The Future of Home Healthcare Tim discusses the shift towards home-based healthcare solutions, emphasizing the importance of reducing hospital visits and costs. He highlights regulatory changes and initiatives that support this transition, making healthcare more accessible, especially in rural areas.  32:30 Understanding IKONA’s Customer Base The conversation shifts to IKONA target customers, primarily large dialysis organizations and nephrology specialists.   35:20 Innovative Training Solutions in Healthcare Tim elaborates on the innovative training methods IKONA is developing, focusing on emotional and instructional learning for patients. He shares the vision for creating accessible training opportunities that enhance patient care and safety.  38:40 Exploring VR’s Potential in Pain Management The discussion highlights the transformative potential of VR in pain management, allowing patients to manage pain through mindfulness techniques. Tim shares insights on how this technology could reduce reliance on opioids and improve patient outcomes.  41:40 The Future of Surgical Training with VR Tim discusses the application of VR in surgical training, emphasizing its role in providing safe, repeatable practice for surgeons. He explains how VR can enhance proficiency and safety in high-risk procedures, revolutionizing medical training.  44:30 An Optimistic Vision for Healthcare’s Future In the closing segment, Tim expresses his optimism about the future of healthcare technology and the positive impact of VR. He shares his belief in the potential of these innovations to enhance patient care and transform the healthcare landscape.