The world feels broken — and so do many workplaces. In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore how a systems-based approach to Organization Development can help leaders respond with intention. When uncertainty and disruption are the norm, creating safe spaces where people feel seen, heard, and supported isn’t optional — it’s essential. Together, they unpack how OD principles equip leaders to build trust, foster connection, and create the conditions where people and organizations can truly thrive. Join our safe space. Come on in. Grab a snack. Welcome!
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce sit down with Rita Ramakrishnan, executive coach and neurodivergent leadership expert. Rita shares her passion for working with neurodivergent leaders, along with her own story of being diagnosed with ADHD and autism as an adult. Highlights from the conversation: • How neurodivergent leaders can identify and leverage their unique strengths while creating strategies to navigate challenges—building a sense of cognitive ease. • Why supportive communities and structures matter when living with ADHD. • Examples of ADHD in the workplace—ranging from challenges like inattention and hyper-focus to strengths such as creativity and pattern recognition. • The power of reframing clients’ experiences as strengths rather than burdens. Rita’s openness, wisdom, and intuition shine as she shares both personal and professional stories that demonstrate her impact as a business leader and coach. About Rita: Rita brings 15 years of experience driving leadership development, behavioral change, and transformation across organizations of all sizes. She has served as a fractional Chief People Officer in startups, aligning people strategies with business goals. She completed her leadership coaching training at Georgetown University, holds a team coaching certification from Brown University, and is pursuing a Master’s at the University of Pennsylvania focused on coaching modalities for neurodivergent leaders. Rita is the founder of IKSANA Consulting, a coaching and human capital solutions practice. 🔗 Learn more: https://www.iksana.com
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce call out those pushy political solicitations — the emails and texts that try to guilt or scare you into giving your time, talent, or money. Annoying? Absolutely. But there’s a bigger lesson here: organizations often use the same tactics when trying to win employee support. Too many leaders skip the hard work of real dialogue and rely on one-way pitches. The result? Resistance, eye-rolls, and lost momentum. Bob ’n Joyce share real examples of what works instead: “tilling the soil” through patience, active listening, and co-creating possibilities. The bottom line? Support isn’t something you force — it’s something you grow. So Please come join us and don’t forget your snack or comforting drink.
In this Labor Day episode, Bob ’n Joyce shine a spotlight on the blue-collar heroes who keep our communities and organizations running. These men and women bring grit, skill, and pride to their work—whether they’re building, fixing, driving, or keeping the lights on. Too often their contributions are overlooked, yet without them the systems we rely on every day simply wouldn’t function. We step back to honor the dignity of all work—not just what happens in corner offices or behind computer screens. Every paycheck, every community, every thriving business stands on the shoulders of people whose names we may not know, but whose impact we feel everywhere. As OD and HR professionals, we have a responsibility to create cultures that celebrate, respect, and support these workers. Join us for a heartfelt conversation about why blue-collar work matters, what we can learn from it, and how we can give these unsung heroes the recognition they deserve. So, grab a snack, pull up a chair, and let’s raise a toast to the backbone of our workplaces and our lives.
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce share the hard-earned principles that helped their OD work actually stick. Too often, change efforts fail because the “rules of the road” are ignored. In past conversations, we may have made OD sound smooth and effortless — but the truth is, most of the tough work was anything but easy. From preparing the ground before diving in to remembering that “thick skin” is essential, these guidelines come from lessons learned the hard way: • Till the soil before leaping in • Never underestimate the value of a good warm-up • When in doubt, stop and check in with the group • Drop “right” and “wrong” from your vocabulary • Spend two-thirds of your time serving, which earns you one-third to push back • Never assume you know better • Grow some thick skin Whether you’re leading your next leadership meeting or tackling a major change initiative, these rules will help smooth the road and improve your odds of success. So come on in, grab a snack, and let’s hit the road together.
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the surprising benefits of resistance to change. Too often, resistance is seen as a problem to squash — but that only fuels it further. Instead, what if resistance is a signal worth listening to? When we meet resistance with curiosity and inquiry, it becomes a powerful ally for successful change. Resistance is natural. It’s the system’s way of saying, “Not so fast.” This conversation was sparked by The Seven C’s of Consulting by Mick Cope — a book we’re reading (and loving). Here are a few flavors of resistance we dig into: • Flavor of the day change – “Here we go again…” • Imposed change – Done to us vs. done with us • Dislike of surprises – “You’re doing what?” • Unpopular issues – The hard stuff nobody wants to face • Fear of the unknown – The imperfect and uncertain • Feeling inadequate – Not up to the challenge • Lack of respect – Doubting the messenger So don’t resist — come on in, grab a snack, and join us for the conversation.
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce pick up where they left off in Episode 204, exploring the infectious power of energy. Too often overlooked, energy shapes how we provoke, improve, and influence the people and systems around us. Each of us carries this superpower, capable of sparking positivity—or negativity—based on how we show up. Every system is in constant flux, driven by the ebb and flow of energy. Today, we share practical ways leaders and OD practitioners can harness this invisible force to elevate individuals, teams, and entire organizations. It begins with learning to see energy at work, everywhere and all the time. Tune in for an energy boost that’s guaranteed to lift your day!
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce tap into the invisible but undeniable power of energy. What happens when we look at organizations — and even society — through the lens of energy? We see opportunities that are too often overlooked. Fresh from a week-long immersion in healing energy at the Omega Institute, Joyce shares her big takeaway: blocked energy is everywhere, stifling creativity and slowing momentum. The challenge — and opportunity — for HR, OD, and all leaders is clear: unleash energy so people and organizations don’t just get by, but thrive. Join us as we explore how to tap into this vital force to spark innovation, build prosperity, and create workplaces (and lives) that flow. So grab a healthy snack and step into the conversation — the power is all around us.
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce shine the spotlight on Joyce and her winding journey to becoming an OD expert. It’s a story filled with unexpected turns, setbacks, resilience, and an unwavering drive to keep moving forward. From a high schooler more interested in socializing and boys to a leader in workplace culture transformation, Joyce shares how each step shaped her path. Insights from Joyce’s journey: • The power of knowing your “Why.” • Trusting others when they point out your unique gifts. • Accepting that careers are rarely neat or perfectly planned. • How small choices create big changes over time. • The courage to say “yes” and leap into discomfort. Come ready to laugh, reflect, and be inspired by Joyce’s story. So grab some popcorn, pull up a chair, and join the conversation.
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dig into the underrated superpower of knowing before doing. Before charging ahead, what if we paused to truly assess what’s needed? We share a playful, low-tech meeting check-in that opened the door to real talk—and it just might work wonders in your next gathering. From informal gut checks to formal tools that steer hiring and change management, we explore how assessments help leaders tune in, not just dive in. You’ll also hear a few “ouch” moments when we skipped this step… and paid the price. So come hang out with us as we assess the art of assessment. Bring your curiosity—and maybe a snack. Welcome in.
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore a simple yet powerful technique called “I want…”—a way to name our desires and aspirations out loud. As we cross the 200-episode milestone, we turn inward to uncover what we truly want from our work, and in doing so, open up new possibilities. This candid conversation gets up close and personal, surprising even us with what surfaced. It’s a reminder that we often assume what others want—or even what we want—without asking or expressing it clearly. The “I want…” exercise is a great tool for teams or families to explore their hopes and goals together. When spoken aloud, doubts give way to clarity and connection. Bob ‘n Joyce break down how to use this technique at the end of the episode—give it a try and see what opens up! Come on in. Grab a snack. Welcome!
Today marks a major milestone—our 200th episode! For over four years, we’ve shown up every Tuesday morning, come rain or shine. This ritual has been our anchor, carrying us through both the highs and the lows. Lately, we’ve been talking a lot about finding an “island of sanity” in turbulent times. In many ways, this podcast has been ours—a space to think, laugh, question, and reconnect. Here’s what we’re all about: • Raw honesty and deep curiosity • Stories that spark fresh thinking • Celebrating competence and being fully alive • Humor that helps lighten the load Today, we raise a toast—to our steadfastness, our friendship, and to you, our listeners. Your support makes all of this possible. So for the 200th time… come on in. Grab a snack. Welcome!
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce dive into what it takes for organizations to stay grounded when chaos and uncertainty are no longer the exception—they’re the backdrop. As global and local challenges intensify, leaders face a new mandate: create environments where people can stay resilient, think creatively, and feel safe enough to perform at their best. We explore: - Why taking a systems view helps leaders intervene with clarity and intention - The anchors—rituals, values, and human connection—that steady teams in turbulent times - How real-time agility beats long-term planning in a world that won’t sit still This is a practical, hopeful conversation about leading with heart and strategy when the world gets wobbly. Grab a snack and come on in—welcome.
In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michelle Griffin, CEO and founder of Griffin Resources—an entrepreneur who truly has the "right stuff." Whether you're a seasoned business owner or just starting out, Michelle’s story is a masterclass in growing a thriving business without sacrificing your life. Michelle brings a rare blend of strategic insight and human-centered leadership. She sees the big picture, acts with precision, and knows how to create results—without burning out. Here’s what you’ll hear in this episode: • How adaptability—and knowing when to pivot—fuels long-term success • Why passion and vision are the heartbeat of every great business • Strategy is key, but hiring the right team is what makes it real • How being introverted can be a superpower in leadership and connecting • Michelle’s gift for turning bold ideas into sustainable business models • Working full throttle and making room for balance, joy, and play It’s a conversation full of insight, energy, and the kind of honesty that makes you reflect. Get ready to be inspired by Michelle’s journey. About Michelle Griffin Ph.D. Michelle is the CEO and founder of Griffin Resources, a firm providing fractional HR support to small and mid-sized companies—both domestic and multinational. She’s PHR and SHRM-CP certified, an industrial-organizational psychologist, and a sought-after speaker. Her expertise spans the full spectrum of HR, from compliance and payroll to M&A, entity creation, and talent strategy.
In this second part of our resiliency deep dive, Bob ‘n Joyce take a close look at MIT Sloan’s latest take on what makes a culture truly resilient. Do we agree with their insights? Mostly. But spoiler alert: we still like our list better. We break down the key conditions MIT Sloan says drive resiliency and stack them up against our lived experience in the trenches of culture work. The result? A thoughtful, and at times feisty, side-by-side review. Here’s a taste of what they recommend: • Flexible work schedules that actually work • Skill-based approaches to culture change (not more slogans) • Turning skeptics into champions • Learning from mistakes—really • Letting employees shape their own roles • Prioritizing honesty and psychological safety We wrap with a call to action: What’s your resiliency playbook? Come on in, grab a snack, and let’s keep it real.
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into how to create and sustain organizational resiliency—a must-have competency in today’s fast-changing business world. We kick things off with a little game we call “learning.” First, we share our personal and professional takes on what makes a workplace truly resilient. Then, in the next episode, we’ll check in with the experts at MIT Sloan Management Review to see how our perspectives stack up. Some of the ideas we unpack today: • Getting real about the challenge • Community – We are ‘in this’ together • Focusing on excellence and winning • Embracing risk—and yes, learning from failure So grab a snack, pull up a chair, and join the conversation. And hey, we’d love to hear your take on resiliency too.
After we hit “stop” on our last episode, Tight Ship or Jazz Band?, we realized the conversation wasn’t over. The tension between discipline and flexibility kept tugging at us — and stirred up a few stories (and laughs) we hadn’t yet shared. So we’re back, diving deeper into the power and pitfalls of routine, the magic of improvisation, and why finding that balance matters more than ever in today’s workplace. In this follow-up episode, Bob ‘n Joyce: • Unpack why some habits feel safe but may be limiting innovation • Talk about real-life moments when “flugidity” made all the difference • Explore how leaders can create cultures that flex without falling apart • Challenge listeners to reexamine what structure they’re clinging to — and why Whether you’re running a tight ship or playing in a jazz band, this encore conversation is for anyone trying to lead with more ease, creativity, and courage.
Bob ‘n Joyce riff on how much structure is too much — and when it’s time to improvise. In this episode, they dive into the ongoing tug-of-war between discipline and flexibility — habits that create stability vs. the adaptability that sparks innovation. Once upon a time, businesses prized routine, rituals, and predictability. But in today’s fast-moving world, research suggests agility and openness may be even more crucial. So, which is it? The truth may lie somewhere in the messy, magical middle. In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce: • Coin a new word: flugidity – the courage to challenge routines that no longer serve the business • Reveal how rigid habits and SOPs can create dangerous blind spots • Explore what’s changed in the workplace to shift the balance toward flexibility • Talk about the magic of mastering your craft and dancing in the moment If your weekly ritual includes tuning in to us — well, that’s one habit we fully support. So grab a snack, get comfy, and let’s jump in.
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore what it really takes to create a workplace where people thrive — and it’s a lot more than free snacks and ping pong tables. They dive into the idea of on-site wellness centers, where employees can unplug, recharge, and access real support. Imagine a workplace that offers: ✅ Manicures and massage therapy ✅ On-site counseling for burnout or stress ✅ Flu and COVID shots without leaving the office ✅ Yoga, dance, and meditation sessions Bob ‘n Joyce make the case that this isn’t a far-out fantasy. Companies like SAS Institute in Cary, NC, have been doing it for over 40 years — and it’s a big reason they consistently rank among the best places to work in America. Tune in for fresh ideas on how your company can move beyond surface perks and start building a true culture of care. Come on in, grab a snack, and welcome!
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the common practice of relying on the same group of people—time and again—to get important work done. Joyce calls them the “spoiled brats,” while Bob refers to them as the “usual suspects” or “chosen ones.” The problem? This habit unintentionally sidelines the talent in waiting—the wild cards and up-and-comers—who miss out on critical development opportunities. We dive into practical ways to tap the full potential of your organization by broadening access to special projects and growth experiences beyond the usual favorites. In this episode: • Eye-opening stories about the surprising success of newbies and wild cards • A breakdown of a common flaw in talent planning that keeps this pattern alive • Why hands-on project work often beats traditional training for impact If your company is stuck picking from the same short list—and it's holding you back—this episode is your wake-up call. So pull up a chair, grab your favorite snack, and let’s shake things up together.