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Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD

Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD

Author: Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford

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The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come on in, grab a snack, and welcome!
19 Episodes
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce focus on line supervisors, and middle managers who are critical to getting the important work done. Unfortunately, this group is often neglected, marginalized and, at worse, maligned. Bob’nJoyce discuss the importance of managers to business success and how OD/HR can design processes that empower and reward them. In this episode, you will get: • Practical and far out ideas that makes managers feel seen and heard. • Using pay and power to recognize the importance of line-managers. • An intervention that empowers both managers and the CEOs. • The power of ‘what ifs exercise.’
In this episode, Joyce shares the criteria that she and the CEOs she's worked with agreed to that enabled them to do bold work. She demonstrates the benefits of forging a partnership where trust, good will, and taking risk, opens the way for impactful interventions and making learning the heart of the organization. Here is a sample of nuggets to be mined in today’s episode : • The benefits of starting small and the magic of “pilots”. • The willingness to take it on the chin when things don’t go right. • The 80-20 rule – 20% of work happens in the meeting, 80% of the work is in the preparation. • The importance of getting 10% of the people in a meeting on your side beforehand. • Never make your CEO look silly or wrong.
In this episode, we dig into the challenge of keeping an organization moving forward in times of turbulent transition. Bob ‘n Joyce share resources that have helped them and may help listeners today. Turbulence and change are the new normal. There are good nuggets to be mined in this episode.
In Episode 14, we lean into the discomfort of learning from meeting facilitation gone awry. If you are doing bold work, you are bound to get stuck when you and others have no idea what you are doing or where you are going. Today Bob and Joyce discuss what do when your meeting plan isn’t working for you or participants. They discuss the role of metaphor, asking good questions, coming clean, and improvisation as means to work through these cringe-worthy moments. We all experience a flat meeting where you are leading. That is the gaffe. The magic is how we recover from the moments in the moment to get back on track.
In this episode, we continue our conversation on 2021 leadership being reimagined. Joyce’s article on the “C’s” of leadership created a context for a new model of modern leadership. Today, we followed our energy to focus on feminine characteristics of leaders, many of which are included in the “C’s.” Today’s conversation takes on the prickly topic of feminine leadership characteristics that is often mistaken for gender-based, male versus female comparisons. Despite our own discomfort, we followed our energy to express our belief that modern leadership demands a more feminine approach. We invite you to listen to this conversation that raises as many questions as it answered.
Old patterns and norms of leadership just don’t work anymore. In this Episode, Bob ‘n Joyce share the Big “C’s” of Leading – a framework for reimagining 2021 leadership. Modern leaders must lead differently to unleash organizational potential. They must skip a generation of leadership learning and leap into modern leading, learning while they are in mid-air. Only the most Courageous (one of the “C’s”) of leaders take this on.
In Episode 11, Bob’nJoyce take on the topic of best practices in performance management and professional development. They share what worked well, what didn’t work at all, and the lessons they have learned along the way. Bob and Joyce cover: • The importance of open and frequent performance conversations • Why do so many people whose jobs are on the line don’t know it • Moving from adversarial to productive performance dialogue • The magic of “in the moment” feedback Performance management continues to be hard to get right. Join us in the quagmire where punitive meets possibility.
In this Podcast, Bob and Joyce continue to share funny, quirky, and true events that didn't work too well (we needed 2 episodes because we have so many). This episode reminds us that learning often comes from painful, cringing moments. It also reminds us of the value of having a work buddy to lean into. Some show flaws in the work. Some show courage. All are funny now but terrifying when they happened. Joyce and Bob cover: Recovering from a micro-aggression - maintaining your integrity in chaos - the burden of the HR/OD role - When and how to pivot when things go wrong- like really wrong.
In this Podcast, Bob and Joyce share funny, quirky, and true events that didn’t work so well. Many are funny in retrospect and show the need to pivot in the moment. Some show courage. Some show flaws in the work itself. And some show the ethical dilemmas that have to be navigated in doing OD/HR work inside an organization. Joyce and Bob cover: —large event disasters —Board meeting blow-up —Right sizing done well and not so well —A warm-up gone astray —Some hacks learned from the hiccups
In today’s episode, we explore the many quagmires that we find ourselves in as HR/OD professionals. Easier said than done when we are in the quagmire too. We must assess continually the impact of uncertainty as well as ethical considerations, and then act to maintain the health and engagement of employees. Today’s conversation goes deep into the quagmire, specifically around race, and social inequality, and we took stabs about how to heal and move forward. This is a raggedy conversation that hopefully will leave you curious about your own story. We were nervous about posting this, but felt we must. Get ready to get uncomfortable.
In this episode, BobnJoyce talk about less recognized elements of interventions that support good results and give examples. —treating participants as guests —preparing an entire HR department to serve as table “hosts/facilitators” for retail guests —designing an intervention that goes counter to organizational habit —the importance of setting atmosphere to support content —managing the tension of learning--adjusting from loose to tight
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce interview Scott Harrison, one of the original members of Hannaford’s first store manager learning group. We invited Scott to Bob’nJoyce because as the old saying goes, “The proof in the pudding is in the eating.” Scott shares his recollection of the experience and how it transformed him and his fellow store managers. Some 30 years later, Scott describes how being a member of this learning group shaped his leadership as a C-suite executive at Food Lion, LLC.
What would you do if your training budget was cut right before you were ready to launch a well thought out, integrated approach to store manager training? This is exactly what Joyce faced when she introduced learning groups as a ‘work around’ to her budget woes. Bob ‘n Joyce will explore this thing called learning groups- what they are, how they work, and how they transformed the work culture in retail.
With the recent shift in power in our nation’s capital, this episode suggests a path forward to neutralize the polarized politics that defines our times. Using OD practices that sow the seeds of small ‘d’ democracy, communities can begin a dialogue where what binds us, a common purpose, becomes greater than what divides us.
In this episode, Bob and Joyce talk about the fact that we, in the US and the world, are going through more than one trauma. They talk about trauma as shockingly fast change done to you, not with you. They share practices and approaches that they have used for companies and for individuals. They mention: * Bill Bridges work on change * What behaviors work in trauma chaos * A tool--the polarity continuum * The importance of HR/OD in teaching new ways of being in a work community * Ways to have conversations of profound differences
In this episode, we revisited Kathy’s time at Hannaford as the head of HR and the powerful force she was that transformed HR and the company. If you worked with Kathy, our hope is that this podcast rekindles your own fond memories. If you didn’t know Kathy, we hope you enjoy the lessons of the early transition of HR becoming a strategic partner at the C-suite table.
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share why they love OD. They are not alone. Leaders in HR and the C-suite are increasingly looking to OD to motivate employees in achieving organizational goals. So what is this thing we call OD and why is it a powerful discipline to unleash an organization’s potential? They cover: What excites them most about OD Why OD/HR is so fundamental to what is happening in the world today The importance of policy development on a culture The energy and power of OD done well
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