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"Even in winter, twice a month, the first postmen in Zanskar in the 1980s climbed rock faces and crossed frozen rivers -- if you fell in, you could die -- in a journey that took three days, to deliver the post. Then, there's the first allopathic nurse in the region, who once walked without stopping through deep snow for three nights to save a woman in labour. What extreme tourists do today for fun, these people did as part of their regular lives. I had to put down their stories before they were forgotten"- April Fonti, author, The Story Keepers; Voices from a Changing Zanskar, talks to Manjula Narayan about the many strong personalities in the region and their almost superhuman talents, faith and conflict, how modernity has both improved lives and changed the quality of intergenerational relationships, and how local people are adapting to climate change.
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"The fossil fuel age gave us speed. This, on the one hand, allows us to think, 'I'm going faster', but it never defines 'faster to where, and to what?' You become a victim of speed -- always trying to catch up with yourself. The climate crisis is a result of chasing speed mindlessly, endlessly. Slow living is mindful; it's caring of the earth and of community. Healing our relationship with the Earth is the most urgent matter of our times. We need to learn from the Earth how to be an intelligent species." - Vandana Shiva, environmental activist and food sovereignty advocate, talks to Manjula Narayan about her latest book, Slow Living; What You Can Do About Climate Change
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"The way I look at it, whydunnit is actually more important than whodunnit. There are only so many permutations and combinations you can think of in terms of whodunnit. It's finite whereas whydunnit is extremely important because what drives the person? I read a lot of news and I really wonder about the depths to which people can fall"- Salil Desai, author, 206 Bones; An Inspector Saralkar Mystery talks to Manjula Narayan about writing successful murder mysteries set in Pune, the biting wit of his main character, using parallel tracks in storytelling and the exacting nature of crime fiction fans
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"We went in with urban confidence and rural reality hit us in the face at every turn! Establishing a farm is probably the most difficult thing I've done. I think everybody should do it."- Arti Dwarkadas, author, Two Bandra Girls Buy a Farm, talks to me about growing varieties of rice, mangoes, tomatoes and more on the patch of land in rural Maharashtra that she and her friend Suzann have been nurturing for the last five years, their Adivasi neighbours' encyclopedic knowledge of plants, the agricultural uses of Google Lens, the wild boar attack that destroyed a whole banana patch, why the future of small farm holdings looks increasingly bleak, and winning friends and influencing people with mithai diplomacy,
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"You may try to believe that you are living in a First World country and that your reality differs from that of a poor person in your vicinity. But, at the end of the day, you will face the same existential threats that they do. Through my comics and the essays in this book, I'm trying to reach people who have the same privileges as I do; those who tend to ignore politics because it benefits them. I also wanted to make this book accessible to younger people and engage them in politics" - Rachita Taneja, author, Touching Grass; A Book of Comics, talks to Manjula Narayan on the Books & Authors podcast about exposing Indian social hypocrisy, unmanning the manosphere, fighting the unscientific temperament, infiltrating incel groups on the Internet, and striving to find community IRL
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"Comics and literature allow us to enter worlds through our imagination; it is a medium of not-saying. We read because we want to get into the interior worlds of say, a family living in a room in Algiers. Cinema does not give that because the director decides, though TV sometimes does give that. But through comics and literature we get into the extraordinariness of the interior world." - Sarnath Banerjee, author,
Absolute Jafar, on writing a Gen X visual history, the changing nature of fatherhood, searching for jinns in Delhi, wandering the streets of Karachi, and sketching in the parks of Berlin
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"The Salman Khan story reached the headlines and people thought, well, if the Bishnois can go for him so effectively, it's not safe to poach there. It has actually reduced poaching. So many Bishnoi die protecting nature; they will go unarmed against poachers. The Bishnois all share the horror of what Salman Khan did but the Lawrence Bishnoi method is completely the opposite of what the community believes should happen; they don't kill, shoot or cause threat in that way."- Martin Goodman, author, My Head for a Tree; The Extraordinary Story of the Bishnoi, the World's First Eco-Warriors talks to Manjula Narayan about the community whose belief system has nature conservation at its core
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"I don't think you will find anyone in India who doesn't wear a piece of jewellery [of some sort]. The Amrapali Collection is a pan Indian one. The jewels in this book are worn by pastoralists, the agricultural communities, the villagers of our country. I look at jewellery as works of art. Our villagers are no longer what they were. So it was important for me to document this art form before it vanishes and the memories of it vanishes. I think every piece of jewellery has a soul and right from birth to death, it is very much a part of our living heritage."
- Usha R Balakrishnan, author, Silver & Gold; Visions of Arcadia, talks to me about the general Indian love for noble metals like gold and silver, our long traditions of finely crafted jewellery, how techniques like granulation and filigree came with the Greeks and minakari with the Portuguese, the belief that gemstones ward off malevolent planetary influences and "nazar", and how class, caste, ethnicity and marital status and more are conveyed through jewellery
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"Poop acts like social media for many herbivores. Besides, the droppings of whales tackle climate change, while elephant waste helps regrow forests. Wild animal poop is helping science and conservation and is also used in zootherapy" - Shweta Taneja, author, The Big Book of Wild Poop, talks to Manjula Narayan about everything from the finicky housekeeping habits of ants and how some DNA researchers who collect tiger poop say it smells like Basmati rice (!) to the cuboid droppings of wombats, the mosquito repelling properties of cow dung, and how manatee farts keep them afloat!
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"I used to be very possessive of my recipes. I didn't want to give them away until a senior chef told me, "Listen, even if you give the recipe, everybody's hand is different; it will not be the same." Then, as time went on, I said, actually, some of these recipes should be preserved and if my children are not going to carry it on then at least other people in the community should know about them. Some of the things that I ate as a child have been totally forgotten. That's when I decided to start writing this book" - Crescentia Scolt Fernandes, author, Tale of Two Kitchens,
Talks to Manjula Narayan about the similarities between the Cochin Anglo Indian food of her family and the Goan food of her husband's, the Dutch, Portuguese and, of course, Malayali influences on the food she ate as a child, memories of Vypin island in the mid-20th century, the lost Creole that her parents spoke, and how she and her husband ran the highly successful Bernardo's, the only authentic Goan restaurant in the National Capital Region.
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"The thing about being a writer is that we write from a sensitive, empathetic place but we are also ruthless in that when we are grieving, we take notes of our grief. Ruskin Bond told me that the best way to write about people is just to live long enough that they all die before you. It succeeded with him; hopefully, it will succeed with me!"- Twinkle Khanna, author,
Mrs. Funny bones Returns, talks to Manjula Narayan on the Books & Authors podcast about everything from her father's eclectic reading habits and her own love of sci-fi to her dissertation on Alice Munro, how she sometimes wishes she were right wing, and why she doesn't care too much about what people think of her.
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"To be alive is, in many ways, to travel; it's to journey through time. We tend to think of travelling as something that involves space or place or geography; moving from one place to another. But the other aspect of travel is just journeying through time; every human being alive journeys through it. I write about journeying through language, grief, parenting...These are universal milestones. I look at them like I look at travel. Trying to be a good traveller can be applied to these other kinds of inner landscapes too. I've travelled so much and I've lived repeatedly in different cities So developing different lenses and multiple perspectives through which to view things just happens unconsciously. As you go to more and more places, you develop more implicit norms. It's an agglomerative, expansive process where you are becoming more and more capacious and more and more able to see things from an insider-outsider perspective; but it's not just one insider and one outsider but multiple insiders and multiple outsiders" - Pallavi Aiyar, author,
Travels in the Other Place talks to Manjula Narayan on the Books & Authors podcast about everything from the Japanese idea of mono no aware and attempting to be a Tiger Mom to the parallels between pregnancy and cancer, the power of hair, and the brevity and beauty of life.
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"Science and speculative fiction has always been about responding to the preoccupations of the time. I was attracted to the genre by the imaginative possibilities it offers by allowing the creation of a different world that then lets you shine a light back onto our world. While putting this anthology together we were looking for anything that could broadly fall under the category of spec fic. If could be sci-fi, magical realism, even horror. Indian readers and writers are in a dystopic frame of mind right now. There are specific forms of caste and patriarchy that show up in Indian speculative fiction that makes it different from what's written in the West. Anthologies create a culture where there is space for both readers and writers to explore the genre. It's also a great way of platforming new writers"- Gautam Bhatia, editor, Between Worlds; The IF Anthology of New Indian SFF Vol 1
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"Trains in India are public sites and they are sites for social exchange and its a collective identity but what the smartphone has introduced is not only the private sphere into the public one, but also a flagrant abuse of the public sphere by making it totally private! This includes the watching of shows at a loud volume and having conversations like that too."- Amitava Kumar, author, The Social Life of Indian Trains, talks to me on the Books & Authors podcast about how train travel has changed, the people he met on his journey from Kashmir to Kanyakumari on the Himsagar Express, memories of earlier train journeys in childhood, lost loves, how caste plays out in our lax attitude to the disposal of waste, the famous train scene in Satyajit Rai's Pather Panchali, and how the vast mass of Indians who are not affluent are subdising luxury train travel for the few.
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"I don't take the usual dystopian view of the Internet. I see it as a unit of society and use it to understand the self, the nation and politics. So, I didn't want to look at caste from the usual Dalit-Savarna perspective - a different kind of system is playing out on the Internet. Many middle castes are anxious to move up the ladder. No one can become a Brahmin but the Kshatriya space is open so many communities can claim they are Kshatriyas -- that is happening all over north India. And it's amazing how they are doing it by creating their own digital mythologies through songs and reels."- Anurag Minus Verma, author, The Great Indian Brain Rot, talks to Manjula Narayan about everything from the profitable conspiracy theory industry that grew around the Sushant Singh Rathod episode, the weird seduction of cringe content and Puneet Superstar to Emraanism, the ineffable charm of Rakhi Sawant, influencers and mental health, and his own enduring interest in "misfits, lovers and losers".
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"In my father's view, the making of a filmmaker wasn't just about teaching the art, craft, and science [of filmmaking], but also about allowing the filmmaker to find their own unique voice and have the confidence to be their authentic self." - Radha Chadha, author, The Maker of Filmmakers talks to Manjula Narayan about Jagat Murari, who played a key role in the emergence of the FTII, the conflicts that effected the DNA of the institution, Indian New Wave cinema of the 1970s, the tussles between proponents of arthouse and commercial films, and the many debates about the kind of films that India needed to make in the post-independence period.
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"What I wanted to say about the global dimension of caste was to look at it from the subjectivity of its victim. So Dalit as a subject takes a central place in this text, and this Dalit subjectivity travels to nearly 15 countries with us [the diaspora]. These constituents are similar but the geographical,political and local [elements] that interact with it give a new dimension to caste. Though it is a global story, it is also a very particularly localised form of caste that we see operating in different parts of the world. So, there's no blanket statement that caste the way it operates in India operates the same way in Trinidad, US, UK... Every situation is different."
- Suraj Milind Yengde, author, Caste; A Global Story talks to Manjula Narayan about Dalit activism abroad, how the first celebration of Ambedkar Jayanti in the US was held at the historically Black college of Howard, the Punjabi Buddhists of UK, the idea of 'Brahmin by boat' among Indians in the Caribbean, the othering of Dalits within Indian organisations even at elite universities in the US, the triple diasporas of Fijian Dalits, and more.
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"Some call them ghosts but I look at them more as energies that coexist with us. In many ways, like the Buddhist and other Indian philosophies say, we are on a continuum of Time and many souls can go back and forth, in some sense. While you never really get used to it (ghosts and supernatural elements), you get used to the fact that not everything is ordinary. I have very acute hearing and maybe that's why I am able to hear a frequency that's somewhat different from everyone else. It's more animal-like, perhaps. Places absorb energies at different points and then it's a question of how do you deal with it? Do you deal with it by getting an exorcist and thinking this is not right or do you deal with it by thinking that they are there and we are here and we all coexist and it's okay - that's a liberal sensibility. We may not understand it as we don't understand other dimensions but it's not that they don't exist because we can't scientifically prove it. You can make much drama or you can accept it and say we don't know everything about the way the world works, which we don't." - Sanjoy K Roy, author, There's a Ghost in my Room; Living with the Supernatural talks to Manjula Narayan about encountering disembodied spirits and ectoplasm and experiencing ESP and paranormal activity in places as far apart as Spain, Delhi, Jerusalem and New York.
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"We travel on the river but the real traveller is the river, and to understand it one has to make a substantial effort" - Sanjoy Hazarika, author, River Traveller; Journeys on the Tsangpo-Brahmaputra from Tibet to the Bay of Bengal talks to Manjula Narayan about his earliest memory of seeing dolphins dance in the river in Guwahati, following the great stream through Tibet, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam and Bangladesh and the people he met along the way, the Chinese government's plans to build the massive Medog dam that will destroy Tibet's permafrost and its ecological wonders and have a devastating effect on the whole stretch right down to the Bay of Bengal, being chased by pirates, the Ahom kings and their search for the perfect place to grow wet rice, the need for a migration law in South Asia, and the boat clinics that treat people living on the chars of the Brahmaputra
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"I wanted to use fraud as a way to look at our society today. We have a fraud underworld industry that employs multitudes. If you have such a large number of people who will readily go over to the ethically grey zone -- they join to help family and then they find there's no coming back -- they are an incredible asset not just for someone running a scam in India but anyone anywhere in the world who is trying to target any demographic. The story of fraud is the story of globalisation and to my mind, more vice versa. It's a workforce that has also come to the attention of these very sophisticated transnational scam cartels, proper cyber crime mafias from China. They can see that people can be very easily lured into migrating to some of the scam cities being set up in South East Asia where there is very little regulation and the political class is complicit. Those who are lured, some younger than 20, are kept in closed compounds and they could lose their lives if they refuse to scam. In India, decades of inequality has pushed some people to the point where they feel they have nothing to lose. It is a matter of survival. The human trafficking part of this is grisly and the truth is it's continuing at a very large scale."- Snigdha Poonam, author, Scamlands; Inside the Asian Empire of Fraud that Preys on the World talks to Manjula Narayan about the scam ecosystem powered by a transnational workforce from low income countries that's leaving a trail of devastation from Delhi to Manchester, Texas and Melbourne.
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Excellent podcast !
Very interesting conversation. Saba is fantastic in being humorous. The gowmoothra churan part and she receiving lessons on muslim boys attracting hindu girls are few to mention.
Very interesting episodes; getting to know what's in the heart of the author. Thanks for these excellent podcasts. Please keep adding.
sound recording quality needs to improve. seems to be of a distant mic