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You are not years away from accomplishing your career goals, you are skills away. Learn the Tradecraft to Take Your Cybersecurity Skills to the Executive Level. © Copyright 2025, National Security Corporation. All Rights Reserved
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In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, G Mark Hardy and Ross Young dive into part two of their series on cybersecurity budgets. Continuing from where they left off, they discuss the OWASP Threat and Safeguard Matrix (TaSM), effective protection scoring, and practical strategies to enhance your budget management as a CISO. Learn about the importance of understanding material threats, leveraging AI, and employing tools like murder boards to optimize security practices. Ross also shares inside tips for negotiating master service agreements and improving organizational processes, all aimed at making you a more effective security leader.
Welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft! Join G Mark Hardy and Ross Young as they dive deep into strategies for maximizing your security budget while minimizing waste. Ross, the author of the soon-to-be-released 'Cybersecurity's Dirty Secret,' shares insights from his 20-year career, including his time at the CIA, Capital One, and Caterpillar Financial. Get expert tips on zero-based budgeting, total cost of ownership, avoiding meeting waste, and more. Don't miss this episode if you want to learn how to make every cybersecurity dollar count!Free Templates: https://www.cisotradecraft.com/storeCourse: https://www.cisotradecraft.com/course-master-the-budget-game-in-cybersecurity
Welcome to another insightful episode of CISO Tradecraft! In this episode, host G Mark Hardy engages with Aimee Cardwell, an accomplished cybersecurity expert with an impressive portfolio including UnitedHealth Group, AMEX, eBay, and more. Tune in as they dive deep into the increasing concerns of privacy, the evolving role of AI in cybersecurity, and the importance of data governance. Learn practical strategies for managing the complexities of AI and privacy, explore the intersections between cybersecurity and privacy, and get invaluable tips for aspiring CISOs. Don't miss this episode packed with expert advice and forward-thinking perspectives!Aimee Cardwell's Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/acardwell/
Dive into an exciting discussion on CISO Tradecraft as host G Mark Hardy engages with DARPA's AI Cyber Challenge director, Andrew Carney. Learn about the world of autonomous systems capable of identifying and fixing vulnerabilities at an unprecedented speed and scale. Discover the highs and lows of AIxCC's two-year journey, its groundbreaking impact on cybersecurity, and the potential it holds for the future. Whether you're a seasoned CISO or just passionate about cybersecurity, this episode is packed with insights on leveraging AI to protect critical infrastructure and defend against cyber threats. Don't miss it! https://aicyberchallenge.com/
Join us in this captivating episode of CISO Tradecraft as host G Mark Hardy sits down with storytelling maestro Neal Foard. Learn the secrets of impactful storytelling straight from Neal, who shares an engaging story about an unforgettable lesson at the New Jersey State Fair. Delve into the importance of emotions in storytelling, glean tips for effective communication, and discover how being an inspiring leader can propel your cybersecurity career. Don't miss this opportunity to enhance your storytelling prowess and become a more effective cybersecurity leader!
Learn how to elevate Data Protection in the Age of AI with Ronan Murphy In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy and guest Ronan Murphy, Chief Strategy Officer at Forcepoint, discuss the critical importance of data protection for enterprises in the age of AI. Discover expert insights on common mistakes CISOs make, how AI revolutionizes data security, and the evolving role of CISOs from enforcers to strategists. Learn about effective data governance, AI’s impact on data, and leveraging tools like DLP & CASB for robust cybersecurity.Plus, hear about Forcepoint Aware 2025 and actionable strategies for elevating your organization's data security posture. https://www.forcepoint.com/aware
Join host G Mark Hardy on CISO Tradecraft as he welcomes Patrick Garrity from VulnCheck and Tod Beardsley from Run Zero to discuss the latest in cybersecurity vulnerabilities, exploits, and defense strategies. Learn about their backgrounds, the complexities of security research, and strategies for effective communication within enterprises. The discussion delves into vulnerabilities, the significant risks posed by ransomware, and actionable steps for CISOs and security executives to protect their organizations. Stay tuned for invaluable insights on cybersecurity leadership and management. Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:57 Meet Patrick Garrity: Security Researcher and Skateboard Enthusiast02:12 Meet Todd Beardsley: From Hacker to Security Research VP03:58 The Evolution of Vulnerabilities and Patching07:06 Understanding CVE Numbering and Exploitation14:01 The Role of Attribution in Cybersecurity16:48 Cyber Warfare and Global Threat Landscape20:18 The Rise of International Hacking22:01 Delegation of Duties in Offensive Warfare22:25 The Role of Companies in Cyber Defense23:00 Attack Vectors and Exploits24:25 Real-World Scenarios and Threats28:46 The Importance of Communication Skills for CISOs31:42 Ransomware: A Divisive Topic38:39 Actionable Steps for Security Executives
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy sits down with Tomas Roccia, a senior threat researcher at Microsoft, to delve into the evolving landscape of AI and cybersecurity. From AI-enhanced threat detection to the complexities of tracking cryptocurrency used in cybercrime, Tomas shares his extensive experience and insights. Discover how AI is transforming both defensive and offensive strategies in cybersecurity, learn about innovative tools like Nova for adversarial prompt detection, and explore the sophisticated techniques used by cybercriminals in high-profile crypto heists. This episode is packed with valuable information for cybersecurity professionals looking to stay ahead in a rapidly changing field.
Defcon presentation: Where is my crypto Dude? https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2033/DEF%20CON%2033%20presentations/Thomas%20Roccia%20-%20Where%E2%80%99s%20My%20Crypto%2C%20Dude%20The%20Ultimate%20Guide%20to%20Crypto%20Money%20Laundering%20%28and%20How%20to%20Track%20It%29.pdf 
GenAI Breaches Generative AI Breaches: Threats, Investigations, and Response - Speaker Deck https://speakerdeck.com/fr0gger/generative-ai-breaches-threats-investigations-and-response 
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZPkJ9P7Cm7D_JdgfgNGMH8O_2oPAbnlc
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to AI and Cryptocurrencies 
00:27 Welcome to CISO Tradecraft 
00:55 Guest Introduction: Tomas Roccia 
01:06 Tomas Roccia's Background and Career 
02:51 AI in Cybersecurity: Defensive Approaches 
03:19 The Democratization of AI: Risks and Opportunities 
06:09 AI Tools for Cyber Defense 
08:09 Challenges and Limitations of AI in Cybersecurity 
09:20 Microsoft's AI Tools for Defenders 
12:13 Open Source AI Security: Project Nova 
18:37 Community Contributions and Open Source Projects 
19:30 Case Study: Babit Crypto Hack 
22:12 Money Laundering Techniques in Cryptocurrency 
23:01 AI in Tracking Cryptocurrency Transactions 
26:09 Sophisticated Attacks and Money Laundering 
33:50 Future of AI and Cryptocurrency 
38:17 Final Thoughts and Advice for Security Executives 
41:28 Conclusion and Farewell
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy sits down with Danny Jenkins, CEO and founder of ThreatLocker, live from the Black Hat conference. Danny shares insights into his technical background and explains how a customer-focused culture drives innovation and improvement at ThreatLocker. Learn about the company's unique practices, such as their 'control alt delight' sessions, 24/7 customer support, and how leadership at ThreatLocker leads by example. Danny also discusses the importance of learning from failures and removing obstacles for team members to help the company and its products continually evolve. 
Danny's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dannyjenkinscyber/ 
ThreatLocker - https://www.threatlocker.com/ 
Transcripts -https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TOib3nTXwrWuwF6sJMlVjTFurgr-jc1b 
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Welcome 
00:27 Meet Danny Jenkins, CEO of Threat Locker 
01:12 The Philosophy Behind Threat Locker 
02:52 Customer-Centric Culture at Threat Locker 
04:32 Technical Leadership and Personal Insights 
08:55 Leadership Advice for Aspiring CISOs 
11:22 Conclusion and Farewell
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy engages in an insightful conversation with Dave Lewis, Global Advisory CISO from 1Password, about AI governance and its importance in cybersecurity. They discuss AI policy and its implications, the evolving nature of AI and cybersecurity, and the critical need for governance frameworks to manage AI safely and securely. The discussion delves into the visibility challenges, shadow AI, the role of credentials, and the importance of maintaining fundamental security practices amidst rapid technological advancements. They also touch on the potential risks associated with AI, the misconceptions about its impact on jobs, and the need for a balanced approach to leveraging AI in a beneficial manner while safeguarding against its threats. This episode provides valuable guidance for cybersecurity professionals and organizations navigating the complexities of AI governance. 
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to AI Governance 
00:30 Guest Introduction: Dave Lewis 
00:49 The Importance of AI Governance 
01:42 Challenges in AI Implementation 
03:20 AI in the Modern Enterprise 
03:49 Shadow AI and Security Concerns 
04:49 AI's Impact on Jobs and Industry 
05:27 The Gartner Hype Cycle and AI 
05:43 AI's Influence on the Stock Market 
06:14 Historical Context of AI 
06:32 AI and Credential Security 
08:29 The Role of Governance in AI 
12:47 The Future of AI and Security 
18:36 Governance and Policy Recommendations 
19:26 AI Governance and Ethical Concerns 
20:01 AI Self-Preservation and Human Safety 
20:18 Uncontrollable AI Applications 
21:17 Vectors of AI Trouble 
21:58 AI Hallucinations and Data Security 
22:53 AI Vulnerabilities and Exploits 
26:29 Deepfakes and AI Misuse 
27:33 Historical Cybersecurity Incidents 
29:04 Future of AI and Job Security 
33:47 Managing AI Identities and Credentials 
34:21 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
In this episode of the CISO Tradecraft podcast, host G Mark Hardy speaks with Tim Brown, the CISO of SolarWinds, at the Black Hat conference in Las Vegas. They delve into the details of the infamous SolarWinds breach, discussing the timeline of events, the involvement of the Russian SVR, and the immediate and long-term responses by SolarWinds. Tim shares insights on the complexities of supply chain security, the importance of clear communication within an organization, and the evolving regulatory landscape for CISOs. Additionally, they discuss the personal and professional ramifications of dealing with such a high-profile incident, offering valuable lessons for current and future cybersecurity leaders.
Chapters 
00:00 Introduction and Welcome 
00:59 The SolarWinds Incident Unfolds 
03:13 Understanding the Attack and Response 
04:04 The Role of SVR and Supply Chain Security 
10:43 Technical Details of the Attack 
14:56 Compliance and Reporting Challenges 
19:24 Rebuilding Trust and Personal Impact 
22:06 CISO Concerns and Company Support 
22:14 Legal Challenges and Company Expenses 
23:40 SEC Charges and Legal Proceedings 
29:35 Supply Chain Security and Vendor Assurance 
35:47 CISO Accountability and Industry Standards 
39:41 Final Thoughts and Advice for CISOs
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy is joined by cybersecurity expert Casey Marquette to discuss effective HR and recruiting strategies for building a top-notch cybersecurity team. They dive into career development, the importance of networking, and how to navigate the challenges of hiring in cybersecurity. Casey shares his personal journey from law enforcement to becoming a leading figure in the cybersecurity world, highlighting the role of mentorship and continuous learning. The episode also covers innovative uses of AI in the hiring process and provides practical advice for both hiring managers and job seekers in the cybersecurity field. Tune in for valuable insights on how to hire the best talent and advance your career in cybersecurity. 
 
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c-3qy6KkQuhjuHquycQ3rRwMdSlZBfz4 
 
Chapters 
00:00 Introduction to Cybersecurity Recruitment 
00:31 Guest Introduction: Casey Marquette 
01:46 Casey's Career Journey 
04:41 Hiring for Attitude vs. Skillset 
05:30 Promoting from Within vs. Hiring Externally 
07:34 Leadership and Morale 
20:20 The Importance of Networking and Mentorship 
22:19 AI in Recruitment 
23:30 The Talent Pool and Recruitment Challenges 
24:04 Introducing Scout: The AI Recruitment Tool 
24:51 Security Measures in AI Recruitment 
25:32 Addressing Fraudulent Candidates 
26:10 Remote Hiring and Deepfake Concerns 
28:52 Insider Threats and Tabletop Exercises 
31:51 Enhancing Career Marketability for CISOs 
37:47 Building Effective Networks and Relationships 
42:04 The Importance of Specialized Recruitment 
44:21 Final Thoughts and Contact Information
Join host G Mark Hardy in another enlightening episode of CISO Tradecraft as he speaks with special guest Christophe Foulon, a seasoned cybersecurity professional and podcast host. In this episode, Christophe delves into his journey from the help desk to cybersecurity expert, the challenges faced by newcomers, and the keys to successfully building and leading cybersecurity teams. Learn about the importance of continuous learning, managing career transitions, and the emotional rewards and challenges of being a CISO. Whether you're an aspiring CISO or looking to advance in your cybersecurity career, this episode offers invaluable insights and practical advice.
Christophe's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christophefoulon/  Christophe's Website: https://christophefoulon.com/ 
Christophe's Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-into-cybersecurity/id1463136698 
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UytoyelIMezzbtxdPHo5FE_oLiXYS_58
Chapters 
00:00 Introduction to the Episode 
00:27 Meet the Guest: Christophe Foulon 
01:30 Christophe's Journey into Cybersecurity 
06:24 The Allure and Challenges of a CISO Role 
09:55 Developing Political and Leadership Skills 
20:30 Aligning Team Members with Their Strengths 
31:34 Navigating HR and Diversity in Cybersecurity 
36:29 Becoming a Fractional or Virtual CISO 
42:27 Final Thoughts and How to Connect with Christophe
Navigating Hacker Summer Camp: A Comprehensive Guide Join host G Mark Hardy on this episode of CSO Tradecraft as he provides a detailed guide on what to expect at Hacker Summer Camp, a series of significant cybersecurity events including DEFCON, Black Hat, and BSides Las Vegas. G Mark shares historical insights, tips for first-timers, and personal anecdotes from his extensive experience attending these events over the years. Learn about the origins, key activities, and networking opportunities that make these conferences pivotal in the cybersecurity community. Stay tuned for practical advice on planning your visit and making the most out of your Hacker Summer Camp experience.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y-MenErnVCzUga4xu20ZIz8hT9xsGSJD
 
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Hacker Summer Camp 
01:29 History and Significance of DEFCON 
02:50 Spot the Fed and Early DEFCON Experiences 
05:31 The Evolution of Black Hat 
09:34 The Birth and Growth of BSides 
11:19 Tips for Attending Hacker Summer Camp 
19:57 Networking and Participation Strategies 
25:31 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, co-host G Mark Hardy and guest Ross Young explore the concept of having a personal board of directors. Learn how to leverage mentors, coaches, and role models to gain diverse perspectives and valuable advice for your professional growth as a cybersecurity leader. Discover the importance of building authentic relationships and seeking advice from experienced individuals, and understand how to make informed career decisions. Tune in to hear practical tips on creating and maintaining your own board of directors, and how it can elevate your career in cybersecurity.
Helpful Reading
https://pe.gatech.edu/blog/working-learning/personal-board-of-directors 
https://career.uga.edu/uploads/documents/hireuga/PersonalBoardOfDirectors-worksheet24.pdf 
 
Transcripts:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qhx38KERHAc1T0qoE6mphUODeOt2xWC4
Chapters 
00:00 Introduction to Personal Board of Directors 
00:27 Welcome to CISO Tradecraft 
01:25 Understanding the Concept of a Personal Board of Directors 
03:51 The Role of Mentorship and Feedback 
04:38 Building Effective Mentor-Mentee Relationships 
06:53 The Importance of Sponsorship 
07:57 Navigating Career Paths and Organizational Culture 
09:28 Recruiting Your Personal Board of Directors 
15:34 Making the Most of Mentorship 
22:17 Advice and Board of Directors 
22:46 The Power of a Mastermind 
23:52 Identifying Key Roles for Your Board 
26:27 Time Commitment and Mentor Relationships 
27:22 Grave Diggers and Organizational Insights 
28:26 Categories of Board Members 
29:54 Leveraging Admins and Chiefs of Staff 
31:55 Building Trust and Influence 
35:09 Discernment in Taking Advice 
41:23 Career Opportunities and Emerging Technologies 
42:57 Summary and Final Thoughts
Join G Mark Hardy in this special episode of CISO Tradecraft as he interviews Ross Young, the creator of the OWASP Threat and Safeguard Matrix (TaSM). Ross shares his extensive cybersecurity background and discusses the development and utility of the TaSM, including its applications in threat modeling and risk management. Additionally, Ross introduces his upcoming book, 'Cybersecurity's Dirty Secret: How Most Budgets Are Wasted,' and provides insights on maximizing cybersecurity budgets. Don't miss this episode for essential knowledge on enhancing your cybersecurity leadership and strategies.
 
OWASP Threat and Safeguard Matrix - https://owasp.org/www-project-threat-and-safeguard-matrix/ 
Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1anGewI3XccGnXoV3oE2h7BfelY5QxiSL/ 
 
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Threat and Safeguard Matrix 
00:30 Meet Ross Young: Cybersecurity Expert 
01:08 Ross Young's Career Journey 
01:59 The Upcoming Book: Cybersecurity's Dirty Secret 
03:04 Introduction to the Threat and Safeguard Matrix (TaSM) 
03:48 Understanding the TaSM Framework 
07:10 Applying the TaSM to Real-World Scenarios 
19:32 Using TaSM for Threat Modeling and Risk Committees 
21:58 Extending TaSM Beyond Cybersecurity 
23:52 AI Risks and the TaSM 
24:43 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Join us for an engaging episode of CISO Tradecraft, hosted by G Mark Hardy, featuring cybersecurity veteran Ira Winkler. In this episode, we dive deep into cybersecurity careers, discuss the unique CruiseCon cybersecurity event, and explore the evolution of information security. Hear firsthand accounts of career journey highlights, networking strategies, and the importance of democratizing top-tier content. Learn about the impacts of AI in cybersecurity, data poisoning, and upcoming cybersecurity conferences. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting your journey, this episode is packed with invaluable insights and advice.
 
https://cruisecon.com/ 
Don't forget to the the following code for 10% off "CISOTRADECRAFT10"
 
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-H1CShsyirr4ZL9d1WCx6IMA_ngjWoEN 
 
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to CISO Tradecraft 
01:34 Meet Ira Winkler: Cybersecurity Veteran 
02:50 The Concept of CruiseCon 
05:58 Challenges in Cybersecurity Events 
08:03 Building a Cybersecurity Community 
13:45 Mentorship and Networking in Cybersecurity 
21:52 The Importance of Relevant Mentorship 
24:40 The Importance of Programmatic Principles 
25:19 Finding the Right Mentor for Your Career Path 
26:38 Adapting to a Shifting Career Landscape 
27:05 Understanding AI Fundamentals 
29:12 The Role of Data in AI 
30:57 Agentic AI and Its Applications 
32:48 Challenges and Risks in AI 
41:33 Upcoming Events and Keynote Speakers 
43:35 Leadership Lessons from Ground Zero 
46:39 Future Cruise Con Events 
47:44 Conclusion and Farewell
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy speaks with gamification pioneer Yu-Kai Chou about his new book, '10,000 Hours of Play: Unlock Your Real Life Legendary Success.' Explore key concepts such as aligning your passions, skills, and goals through six essential steps: choosing your game, knowing your attributes, selecting your role, enhancing your skills, building alliances, and achieving your quest. Discover how gamification can lead to personal and professional success. Tune in for an insightful conversation that could change the way you approach your career and life.
 
Yu-Kai Chou - https://www.linkedin.com/in/yukaichou/ 
Actionable Gamification Book - https://a.co/d/isv7K0W 
10,000 Hours of Play Book - https://a.co/d/3L88jTs 
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gPxWVeS8QYNsgGpXt3EDQy5zGcCYH7hL 
 
Chapters 
00:00 Introduction: The Power of Play 
00:34 Meet Yu-Kai Chou: Gamification Pioneer 
04:16 Understanding the Octalysis Framework 
07:34 10,000 Hours of Play: A New Perspective 
09:24 Choosing Your Game: Discovering Your Life's Mission 
16:49 Knowing Your Attributes: Identifying Your Strengths 
22:14 Selecting Your Role: Layers of Your Role Sphere 
23:12 Aspiration and Identity: Defining Who You Want to Be 
24:46 Occupation and Specialization: Aligning Your Roles 
26:48 The Importance of Direction and Continuous Growth 
28:05 The Concept of Ikigai and Skill Enhancement 
30:38 Creating a Skill Triangle and Role Models 
31:39 Gamification in Cybersecurity and Beyond 
32:50 The Role of Determination and Passion 
37:50 Building Alliances for Success 
41:27 Recap and Final Thoughts
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy discusses the ongoing Israel-Iran conflict and its potential cyber implications with cybersecurity expert Nathan Case. They delve into lessons learned from the Russia-Ukraine conflict, discuss the effectiveness of cyber warfare, and evaluate Iran's cyber capabilities. The conversation also covers the ethical implications of cyber attacks, dual-use targets, and the danger of supply chain vulnerabilities. Practical advice is provided on improving cybersecurity measures, including the importance of MFA, network segmentation, and evaluating internal threats. Join us for an in-depth look at how current geopolitical tensions can impact global cybersecurity.
Nathan Case - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathancase/
 
Chapters 
00:00 Introduction to the Israel-Iran Conflict 
00:52 Meet the Expert: Nate Case 
01:51 Cyber Warfare Insights from Russia-Ukraine Conflict 
03:36 The Impact of Cyber on Critical Infrastructure 
08:00 Ethics and Rules of Cyber Warfare 
15:01 Iran's Cyber Capabilities and Strategies 
16:56 Historical Context and Modern Cyber Threats 
23:28 Foreign Cyber Threats: The Iranian Example 
24:06 Israel's Cyber Capabilities 
25:39 The Role of Cyber Command 
26:23 Challenges in Cyber Defense 
27:11 The Complexity of Cyber Warfare 
32:21 Ransomware and Attribution Issues 
36:13 Defensive Cyber Operations 
39:39 Final Thoughts and Recommendations
Join G Mark Hardy and Carson Zimmerman, the author of '11 Strategies of a World-Class Cybersecurity Operations Center,' in this insightful episode of CISO Tradecraft. Carson shares his career journey, the evolution from the 10 to 11 strategies, and delves into the future needs of Security Operations Centers (SOCs). They discuss critical topics such as the importance of continuous improvement, AI's impact on SOCs, and the value of embracing neurodiversity in cybersecurity teams. Whether you're a seasoned cybersecurity leader or an aspiring professional, get actionable advice on how to enhance and revolutionize your SOC operations.
11 Strategies of a World Class Cybersecurity Operations Center https://www.mitre.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/11-strategies-of-a-world-class-cybersecurity-operations-center.pdf 
14 Questions are all you need - https://www.first.org/resources/papers/conf2024/1445-14-Questions-Carson-Zimmerman.pdf 
Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WVJi9WkxOG7yedQYWSooiqRFjBERd9kV 
Chapters 
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 
00:53 Background and Book Discussion 
03:33 SOC Challenges and Stagnation 
06:10 Managing SOC Alerts and Burnout 
09:26 SOC Evolution and Neurodiversity 
23:50 Career Progression in Cybersecurity 
30:28 Impact of AI on SOC Operations 
40:07 Final Thoughts and Conclusion





















So much time spent validating Hasan's credentials. I was so over it by 15 minutes in. Good podcast, bad (start at least to the) episode