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A podcast of informal conversation about topical issues in international law, life in academia and whatever else is on our mind. Hosted by Douglas Guilfoyle and featuring Juliette McIntyre, Tamsin Paige, Imogen Saunders, Nitna Tzouvala.
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
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The final episode of season 1! This week Douglas Guilfoyle, Tamsin Phillipa Paige, Imogen Saunders, Juliette McIntyre review the year in international law, the year in their own careers and the life of the podcast, and breaking news regarding the International Criminal Court's issuance of arrest warrants in respect of the Situation in the State of Palestine. Strong language straight out of the gate!
Recommendations and resources:
On the imminent Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women case against Afghanistan: https://www.dfat.gov.au/news/media-release/launch-initiative-accountability-afghanistans-violations-cedaw-declaration
Tom Dannenbaum's explainer on ICC Arrest Warrants in the Situation in Palestine: https://www.justsecurity.org/105048/icc-arrest-warrants/
Summer reading: Anton Hur, Towards Eternity (Juliette's recommendation); Amor Towles, The Lincoln Highway (Imogen's recommendation); Gail Carriger's ParasolVerse novels (Tamsin's recommendation); Jeff Noon, A Man of Shadows (Douglas' recommendation).
Douglas in a West Point tar bucket: https://x.com/djag2/status/1852086476689060272/photo/1
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week Juliette McIntyre, having just finished her PhD, asks the rest of the panel about career planning. Where should you aim to work, how much should you publish, when should you turn the PhD into a book, and do you ever recover from post PhD mental exhaustion? Featuring Ntina Tzouvala, Douglas Guilfoyle and Tamsin Paige.
Recommendations:
Ntina Tzouvala
Andrea Lawlor, Paul Takes the Form of a Mortal Girl, https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781529007671/
Tamsin:
Seanan McGuire writing as Mira Grant, Newsflesh Trilogy, https://www.miragrant.com/series/newsflesh/
Douglas:
Michael Chabon, The Yiddish Policeman's Union, https://www.harpercollins.com.au/9780007373055/the-yiddish-policemens-union/
China Mieville, The City and the City, https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9780330534192/
Roger Zelazny, The Chronicles of Amber, https://www.hachette.com.au/roger-zelazny/the-chronicles-of-amber
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
In this episode Douglas Guilfoyle hits the road for the Called to the Bar team and attends the American Branch of the International Law Association's "International Law Weekend" conference at Fordham University School of Law, New York and the Lieber Institute workshop at West Point. Along the way he chats with Chris Carpenter (PhD student, Cambridge), Martins Paparinskis (UCL, International Law Commission), Monique Cormier (Monash), Jay Batonbacal (University of the Philippines), Emily Crawford (Sydney), Craig Martin (Washburn) about life in academia and whatever else is on their mind.
In this episode Tamsin Phillipa Paige speaks with Juliana Santos de Carvalho about how we read the silences in international legal discourse and how some quasi-legal regimes (such as the women, peace and security agenda) are haunted by the shadow of legality. It's hauntology, just in time for Halloween! (Sort of.) Juliana also discusses what it's like to make a career in international law starting out as a first-in-family academic from a disadvantaged region of Brazil.
Recommendations:
Juliana Santos de Carvalho, ‘The Powers of Silence: Making Sense of the Non-Definition of Gender in International Criminal Law’ (2022) 35 Leiden Journal of International Law 963. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/powers-of-silence-making-sense-of-the-nondefinition-of-gender-in-international-criminal-law/4C07987AD98E326EEDE644AD7A61B306 ;
Juliana Santos de Carvalho, 'Under the Shadow of Legality: A Shadow Hauntology on the Legal Construction of the Women, Peace and Security Agenda' (2024) Leiden Journal of International Law (First View). https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/under-the-shadow-of-legality-a-shadow-hauntology-on-the-legal-construction-of-the-women-peace-and-security-agenda/B637D4E3798E7EA4DDC39B90F005154C#article ;
Jack Halberstam, The Queer Art of Failure (Duke University Press 2011);
Maria Lugones, ‘Playfulness,“World”-Travelling, and Loving Perception’ (1987) 2 Hypatia 3 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/playfulness-worldtravelling-and-loving-perception/C3670D079AD93578FB093CF09FBB87D6 ;
María Lugones, ‘Toward a Decolonial Feminism’ (2010) 25 Hypatia 742 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/playfulness-worldtravelling-and-loving-perception/C3670D079AD93578FB093CF09FBB87D6 ;
Tamsin Phillipa Paige‘“The Whore That Lost Everything”: The Tyranny of Law and the Queer Feminisation of Soft Power as Explored in Black Sails’ (2023) 17(2) 415-429 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/pol-2023-2014/html
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week Imogen Saunders chairs a discussion with Alex Green and Douglas Guilfoyle on their forthcoming article "The Australia-Tuvalu Falepili Union Treaty: Statehood and Security in the Face of Anthropogenic Climate Change". Can a state still exist without land territory? Is the new Australia-Tuvalu treaty a landmark climate mobility agreement of a neo-colonial arrangement?
An advance access version of the article is available at: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4961093
The text of the Falepili Union Treaty is available at: https://www.dfat.gov.au/sites/default/files/australia-tuvalu-falepili-union-treaty.pdf
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week Imogen Saunders chairs a conversation with Douglas Guilfoyle and Ntina Tzouvala about the deal, announced on 3 October 2024 between Mauritius and the UK which transfers sovereignty of the Chagos Islands to Mauritius. This deal – once thought inconceivable – has caused a great deal of commentary in the international legal community. We delve into the issues and why death, taxes, and US bases are (international) life's only certainties.
Recommendations! From Douglas:
Articles by Douglas and Philippa Webb on the Chagos litigation in https://law.unimelb.edu.au/mjil/issues/issue-archive/213 ;
Philippe Sands, The Last Colony, https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/aug/14/the-last-colony-by-philippe-sands-review-britains-chagos-islands-shame ;
From Ntina:
Daniel Immerwahr, How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States, https://www.penguin.com.au/books/how-to-hide-an-empire-9781473545335
Tom Frost and CRG Murray, The Mists of Time: Intertemporality and Self-Determination's Territorial Integrity Rule in the ICJ's Chagos Advisory Opinion, https://law.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/5034695/Frost-and-Murray-Final-Approval-28.07.2024-For-PL-without-Track-1.pdf.
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week Juliette McIntyre talks with Tamsin Phillipa Paige and Aoife O'Donoghue about Security Council reform. Is it possible? (Spoiler: not really. Additional spoiler: Tamsin taps the sign.)
Aoife's recommendations:
Dipo Faloyin Africa is not a Country (Penguin, 2022) https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/444389/africa-is-not-a-country-by-faloyin-dipo/9781529114829
Priyasha Saksena, "Building the Nation: Sovereignty and International Law in the Decolonisation of South Asia". (2020) 23 Journal of the History of International Law 52
Jonn Elledge A History of the World in 47 Borders (Hachette, 2024)
Only Murders in the Building https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11691774/
Silo https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14688458/
And the speech where Ursula K le Guin said "We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings." https://www.ursulakleguin.com/nbf-medal
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
Language warning! This week Ntina Tzouvala chairs a discussion with Douglas Guilfoyle and Tamsin Phillipa Paige on Israel’s attacks on Lebanon in its conflict with Hezbollah. We discuss the pager attack, the recent ground offensive, and the implications of this conflict for the discipline of international humanitarian law.
Recommendations:
Douglas' tweet thread on the "Solferino moment" https://x.com/djag2/status/1836741318242099283;
Adil Haque and Janina Dill interviewed by Craig Martin on the JIB/JAB podcast https://jibjabpodcast.com/episode-39-dill-haque-on-ihl-and-the-idf-conduct-of-hostilities-in-gaza/;
Samuel Moyn interviewed by Ayesha Malek on the @War podcast https://share.transistor.fm/s/c4a63027;
Gerry Simpson, "Law, War and Crime" https://shorturl.at/4c5Bw;
Rob McLaughlin, "Recognition of Belligerency and the Law of Armed Conflict", https://global.oup.com/academic/product/recognition-of-belligerency-and-the-law-of-armed-conflict-9780197507056;
David Kennedy, "Of War and Law", https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691128641/of-war-and-law.
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week Douglas Guilfoyle, Tamsin Phillipa Paige, Imogen Saunders and Ntina Tzouvala discuss the challenges of teaching international law and the trend towards more online education. Recommendations:
Open access textbook: Sué González Hauck, Raffaela Kunz, Max Milas (eds), Public International Law: A Multi-Perspective Approach https://doi.org/10.4324/9781003451327;
Henry Jones and Aoife O’Donoghue, "History and self-reflection in the teaching of international law" https://academic.oup.com/lril/article/10/1/71/6587156;
Jean-Pierre Gauci, Barrie Sander (eds), Teaching International Law: Reflections on Pedagogical Practice in Context https://www.routledge.com/9781032551517; and
a seminar on Gauci and Sander's book featuring contributors talking about legal eduation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_DzxIekK1k.
In this week's episode Imogen Saunders discusses her work with Shruti Rana (University of Missouri School of Law) and Peter Danchin (University of Maryland Carey Francis King Carey School of Law.) on engagement with international law in a populist era, and the impact of populism and American exceptionalism on international law.
Peter recommends (both open access):
Antony Anghie, "Rethinking International Law: A TWAIL Retrospective", https://academic.oup.com/ejil/article/34/1/7/7167027; and
Nehal Bhuta, "Recovering social rights", https://academic.oup.com/book/56391/chapter/448353512 .
Shruti recommends:
Jessica Calarco, Holding It Together: How Women Became America's Safety Net, https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/697130/holding-it-together-by-jessica-calarco/ .
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
Content warning: some discussion of death threats.
How do we get the message out about what is happening in the world of international law, and what it means for national and international politics?
This week, Douglas Guilfoyle discusses international law and public communication with: regular Called to the Bar co-host, Dr Juliette McIntyre, Lecturer in Law at the University of South Australia; Dr Alonso Gurmendi-Dunkelberg, Fellow in Human Rights and Politics at the LSE; and Molly Quell, a Dutch-American journalist based in The Hague, who covers international law for Courthouse News Service. All three are active communicators in the field of international law across a range of media. It's a lively and entertaining discussion, albeit one that does touch on the dark side of social media.
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week Tamsin Phillipa Paige interviews Gina Heathcote on her work applying queer theory method to oceans law. What does it mean to view the ocean as a legal subject? What can legal pluralism and feminist theory tell us about maritime security?
Gina's recommendations and references:
Ratna Kapur - book Gender, Alterity and Human Rights (https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/gbp/gender-alterity-and-human-rights-9781839104473.html) and her article (https://journals.law.harvard.edu/hrj/wp-content/uploads/sites/83/2020/06/15HHRJ1-Kapur.pdf)
Rahul Rao - Out of Time: The Queer Politics of Postcoloniality (https://academic.oup.com/book/37418)
Kathy Jetnil-Kijiner - artist and poet (kathyjetnilkijiner.com) - two poems, Rise: From One Island to Another (https://350.org/rise-from-one-island-to-another/) and Islands Dropped from a Basket (https://www.kathyjetnilkijiner.com/islands-dropped-from-a-basket/)
Charlesworth, Heathcote and Jones in Feminist Legal Studies - Feminist Scholarship on International Law in the 1990s and Today: An Inter-Generational Conversation (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10691-018-9384-1)
The forthcoming books Queer Encounters with International Law: Lives, Communities, Subjectivities (https://www.routledge.com/Queer-Encounters-with-International-Law-Lives-Communities-Subjectivities/Paige-OHara/p/book/9781032643045) and Queer Engagements with International Law: Times, Spaces, Imaginings (https://www.routledge.com/Queer-Engagements-with-International-Law-Times-Spaces-Imaginings/OHara-Paige/p/book/9781032643229)
Vanja Hamzic's writing on law and violence in: Queering International Law: Possibilities, Alliances, Complicities (https://www.routledge.com/Queering-International-Law-Possibilities-Alliances-Complicities-Risks/Otto/p/book/9780367886370)
The art of Léuli Eshrāghi (1986-), they belong to the Sāmoan clans Seumanutafa and Tautua, (https://leulieshraghi.art/)
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
In this week's episode Ntina Tzouvala and Douglas Guilfoyle discuss Douglas' article "Litigation as Statecraft: Small States and the Law of the Sea" and the wider project on legal statecraft it forms a part of. That, and board games! Recommendations:
Douglas Guilfoyle, Litigation as Statecraft: Small States and the Law of the Sea https://academic.oup.com/bybil/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/bybil/brad009/7186911;
Small States, Legal Argument, and International Disputes (NUS CIL symposium), https://cil.nus.edu.sg/blog/symposia/small-states-legal-argument-and-international-disputes/;
Isaac B. Kardon, China’s Law of the Sea, https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300256475/chinas-law-of-the-sea/;
Congyan Cai, The Rise of China and International Law, https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-rise-of-china-and-international-law-9780190073602; and
Jill Goldenzeil, Lawfare between Russia and Ukraine, https://www.cornelllawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Goldenziel-online-essay-final.pdf.
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
In this week's episode Tamsin Philippa Paige interviews Emily Jones about posthuman feminism, and what it means for international law. Tamsin and Emily also discuss disability and academia.
Lots of recommendations!
From Emily: Lauren Berlant, Cruel Optimism (Duke University Press 2011)
Rosi Braidotti, The Posthuman (Polity Press 2013)
Hilary Charlesworth, ‘The Sex of the State in International Law,’ in Ngaire Naffine and Rosemary Owens (eds.), Sexing the Subject of Law, (LBC Information Services, 1997): 251-268.
Lee Edelman, No Future: Queer Theory and the Death Drive (Duke University Press 2004)
Donna Haraway - A Cyborg Manifesto - reprinted in lots of places see e.g. https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/currentstudents/undergraduate/modules/fictionnownarrativemediaandtheoryinthe21stcentury/manifestly_haraway_----_a_cyborg_manifesto_science_technology_and_socialist-feminism_in_the_....pdf
Gina Heathcote, Feminist Dialogues on International Law: Successes, Tensions, Futures (Oxford University Press 2019)
Zakiyyah Iman Jackson, Becoming Human: Matter and Meaning in an Anticloack world (NYU Press 2020)
Emily Jones, Feminist Theory and International Law: Posthuman Perspectives (Routledge 2023)
Ratna Kapur, 'The (im)possibility of queering international Human Rights Law,' in Dianne Otto (ed), Queering International Law: Possibilities, Alliances, Complicities, Risks (Routledge 2017)
Lys Kulamadayil, 'Ableism in the College of International Lawyers: on disabling differences in the professional field,' Leiden Journal of International Law 36(3) (2023)
José Esteban Muñoz, Cruising Utopia: The Then and There of Queer Futurity (NYU Press 2009)
Usha Natarajan and Julia Dehm, 'Where is the Environment? Locating Nature in International Law,' TWAILER: Reflections (2019): https://twailr.com/where-is-the-environment-locating-nature-in-international-law/
Logan J. Smilges, Crip Negativity (University of Minnesota Press 2023)
From Tamsin:
Emma Genovese & Tamsin Phillipa Paige, Life as Distinct from Patriarchal Influence: Exploring Queerness and Freedom through Portrait of a Lady on Fire, https://doi.org/10.1080/13200968.2024.2328192
Emma Genovese, The Spectacle of Respectable Equality, https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/article/the-spectacle-of-respectable-equality-queer-discrimination-in-australian-law-post-marriage-equality
Tamsin Phillipa Paige, Claerwen O'Hara (eds), Queer Encounters with International Law, https://www.routledge.com/Queer-Encounters-with-International-Law-Lives-Communities-Subjectivities/Paige-OHara/p/book/9781032643045
Tamsin Phillipa Paige, Claerwen O'Hara (eds), Queer Engagements with International Law, https://www.routledge.com/Queer-Engagements-with-International-Law-Times-Spaces-Imaginings/OHara-Paige/p/book/9781032643229
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week Imogen Saunders and Douglas Guilfoyle have a (slightly echo-y) kitchen table conversation about Sarah Wambaugh, the world's preeminent expert on self-determination referendums in the League of Nations era, and what her story tells us about the forgotten women of international law. Recommendations: Portraits of Women in International Law (https://global.oup.com/academic/product/portraits-of-women-in-international-law-9780198868453?cc=au&lang=en&); Feminist Judgments in International Law (https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/feminist-judgments-in-international-law-9781509914456/).
In this episode Tamsin Paige chairs a discussion among regular hosts Douglas Guilfoyle, Juliette MacIntyre, Imogen Saunders and Ntina Tzouvala on the new International Court of Justice Advisory opinion "Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem". It's a blockbuster episode for a blockbuster opinion.
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
In this episode Douglas Guilfoyle and Kevin Heller discuss arguments that the Oslo Accords mean the the International Criminal Court lacks jurisdiction over the actions of Israeli national in Palestine. Kevin recommends articles on the topic in a special issue of vanderbilt Journal of International Law (https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/vjtl/vol49/iss2/); Douglas recommends Monique Cormier's, "The Jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court over Nationals of Non-States Parties" (https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/jurisdiction-of-the-international-criminal-court-over-nationals-of-nonstates-parties/0FC0B6291D0ECDCDADAEE7167B3B1594).
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
In this episode the Called to the Bar team hit the conference circuit! Hosts Juliette McIntyre and Douglas Guilfoyle interview a range of special guests at the 2024 Australia New Zealand Society of International Law annual conference in Melbourne, and the Blue Security early career workshop in Manila. Featured guests include: Mellissa Stewart (University of Hawaii); Philippa Webb (University of Oxford); Frances Anggadi (University of Wollongong); Holly Cullen (University of Western Australia); Yvonne Breitwieser-Faria (University of Queensland); Tamer Morris (University of Sydney); Bec Strating (LaTrobe University); Muhamad Arif (Griffith University); Thư Nguyễn Hoàng Anh (National University of Singapore); Su Wai Mon (University of Malaya); and Alex De La Cruz (Tilburg University).
8. Aggression and the Political Economy of War
In this episode Douglas Guilfoyle and Ntina Tzouvala discuss Ntina's article "Aggression, Capitalism, and International Law: Missed Opportunities or Structural Constraints?" https://academic.oup.com/clp/advance-article/doi/10.1093/clp/cuae006/7690074
Ntina's recommendations:
Joanna Kyriakakis, Corporations, Accountability and International Criminal Law, https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/gbp/corporations-accountability-and-international-criminal-law-9780857939494.html ;
Scott Veitch, Law and Irresponsibility, https://www.routledge.com/Law-and-Irresponsibility-On-the-Legitimation-of-Human-Suffering/Veitch/p/book/9780415442510 ;
Antony Loewenstein, The Palestine Laboratory, https://shop.redflag.org.au/products/the-palestine-laboratory ;
and here is Margot the kitten: https://x.com/djag2/status/1813360318468571429 !
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
This week host Tamsin Phillipa Paige and guest Holly Cullen discuss the long and tortuous history of attempts to extradite Wikileaks founder Julian Assange from the UK to the USA on espionage charges.
Here are Holly's recommendations for further reading:
Suzanne Akila, 'Networks of Protection' in Holly Cullen, Joanna Harrington and Catherine Renshaw, eds., Experts, Networks and International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2017) 21.
Select Articles from The Conversation on legal issues relating to Assange:
'Julian Assange is free, but curly legal questions about his case remain', The Conversation, 26 June 2024.
https://theconversation.com/julian-assange-is-free-but-curly-legal-questions-about-his-case-remain-233339
'Julian Assange plea deal: what does it mean for the Wikileaks founder and what happens now?', The Conversation, 25 June 2024.
https://theconversation.com/julian-assange-plea-deal-what-does-it-mean-for-the-wikileaks-founder-and-what-happens-now-233207
'Julian Assange's appeal to avoid extradition will go ahead. It could be legally groundbreaking', The Conversation, 20 May 2024.
https://theconversation.com/julian-assanges-appeal-to-avoid-extradition-will-go-ahead-it-could-be-legally-groundbreaking-227859
'Explainer: what charges does Julian Assange face, and what's likely to happen next?', The Conversation, 12 April 2019.
https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-charges-does-julian-assange-face-and-whats-likely-to-happen-next-115362
'UN decision is not "the end of the road" that Assange claims it is', The Conversation, 6 February 2016.
https://theconversation.com/un-decision-is-not-the-end-of-the-road-that-assange-claims-it-is-54257
Music: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
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