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Cloud Security Podcast by Google

Author: Anton Chuvakin

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Cloud Security Podcast by Google focuses on security in the cloud, delivering security from the cloud, and all things at the intersection of security and cloud. Of course, we will also cover what we are doing in Google Cloud to help keep our users' data safe and workloads secure.

We’re going to do our best to avoid security theater, and cut to the heart of real security questions and issues. Expect us to question threat models and ask if something is done for the data subject’s benefit or just for organizational benefit.

We hope you’ll join us if you’re interested in where technology overlaps with process and bumps up against organizational design. We’re hoping to attract listeners who are happy to hear conventional wisdom questioned, and who are curious about what lessons we can and can’t keep as the world moves from on-premises computing to cloud computing.
18 Episodes
Guests: Jane Chung, VP of Cloud @ Palo Alto Joe Crawford, Director of Strategic Technology Partnerships for Google Cloud @ Palo Alto Topics: What are the top security mistakes you’ve seen during cloud migrations? What is your best advice to security leaders who want to go to the cloud using the on-premise playbook? What security technologies may no longer be needed in the cloud? Which are transformed by the cloud? Cloud often implies agility, but sometimes security slows things down, how to fix that? How do security needs change based on adoption architecture (cloud, hybrid with on-premise, multi-cloud, multi cloud with on-premise)? From a security perspective, is there really any such thing as “lift and shift”? How do we teach cloud to security leaders who “grew up” on-premise? Resources: Use “Move and Improve” Instead of “Lift an Shift” “Data Security in the Cloud” (Episode 2) “The Perfect Weapon: War, Sabotage, and Fear in the Cyber Age” book CSA CCM v4
Guest: Julien Vehent, Security Engineering Manager in the Detection and Response team @ Google Topics: What is special about detecting modern threats in modern environments? How does the Google team turn the knowledge of threats into detection logic? Run through an example of creating a detection for a new threat? How do we test our detection rules? We use the same people to write detections and to respond to resulting alerts, how is it working? What are the key skills of good security analysts to build cloud threat detection? Resources: “Site Reliability Engineering" book (free) “Building Secure & Reliable Systems” book (free) “Securing DevOps“ by our very guest Julien Vehent  
Guests: Tim Dierks, Engineering Director, Data Protection @ Google Cloud Topics: What are the key components of data security in the public cloud today? Why do companies need specific data security plans and products? Do you think Google Cloud today has enough controls for processing the most sensitive data? Many organizations seem to be unaware of where sensitive data exists in their cloud environments, how do you think this problem will be fixed? What is your view on encryption's role in future cloud security? Do organizations mostly encrypt for security or for compliance? How do we help companies navigate the tradeoffs between complying with nation-state regulations and best practices for availability? I hear you are involved with some interesting key management innovations like HYOK via Cloud EKM, why do these matter for clients today? Resources: Forrester report “The Forrester Wave™: Unstructured Data Security Platforms, Q2 2021”  “New whitepaper: Designing and deploying a data security strategy with Google Cloud” “Hold your own key with Google Cloud External Key Manager” “Building Secure and Resilient Systems” book (free)
Guest: Greg Castle, Senior Staff Security Engineer at Google Topics: How is kubernetes security different from traditional host security? What’s different about securing GKE vs security Kubernetes on-prem? Where does one start with security hardening for GKE? In your view, what are top realistic threats to container deployments? What do users get wrong most often? Did we manage to make containers both more secure and more usable?
Guest: Zeal Somani, Security Solutions Manager @ Google Cloud, former PCI QSA Topics: What are the usable recipes for thinking about compliance in the cloud? What regulations are more challenging for public cloud users? How do you see the client/provider responsibility split for compliance? What is this “shift left” for compliance? How do we educate auditors and regulators who insist on 1980s solutions to 2020s problems? What are the most popular mistakes and blind spots with trying to be compliant in the cloud? Resources: Whitepaper “Risk governance of digital transformation: guide for risk, compliance & audit teams”
Guest: Alyssa Miller,  BISO @ S&P Global Ratings Topics: How do application security practices change as organizations launch their cloud transformations? What bad things happen to you if you lift/shift your big applications to somebody's IaaS? What unique challenges do containers and serverless deployments create for application security? Is there good news here? How can cloud native technologies make application security easier than a traditional on-prem environment? What can organizations do to ensure the security of cloud-based SaaS solutions? How do DevOps and CI/CD impact the ability to secure cloud-based applications? What is your advice to security leaders who still want to practice appsec for cloud apps in the same manner as they did it for on-premise, the old way? What follow-up reading do you recommend on preparing for an application migration to Cloud? Resources: Cloud security trainings
Guest: Seth Vargo, Security Engineer @ Google Cloud Topics: How should security teams change their thinking about threats in the cloud? Where and when should an organization start in building their threat model for their cloud environment? What are the key changes of threat models after cloud migration? More specifically, when it comes to identity, credentials, lateral movement, what are the key ways in which cloud security differs from traditional or on-premises security? How should users who are leading the cloud migration help their colleagues think about security in the cloud? When am I "done" with cloud security planning?
Guests: Phil Venables (@philvenables), Vice President, Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) @ Google Cloud Dave Hannigan, Director, Financial Services Security & Compliance @ Google Cloud Topics: To continue on the theme from Part 1, is “cloud-native” about thinking? Security tools? Systems? Architecture? How do we practically help CISOs “speak cloud”? What are the first steps to cloud thinking for an “on-premise CISO”? What are the areas of security where it is easier to become a cloud-native? How do you see a CISO transition journey from the on-premise thinking and technologies to cloud thinking and technology? How are CISOs thinking about third party security controls vs native, cloud provider security controls? Resources: “Preparing for Cloud Migrations from a CISO Perspective, Part 1” “CISO’s guide to Cloud Security Transformation”
Guest: Eric Foster, President at CYDERES, a Fishtech Group company Topics: How do you define “modern” SIEM? Does modern SIEM always imply SaaS SIEM? Is there a future for on-premises SIEM? What are your top 3 root causes for SIEM deployment failure today? Modern or not, does SIEM have a future? Can XDR or some other technology drive it off the rails? What features or inputs should SIEM have to detect modern threats such as those to cloud environments but also others? What’s different about threat detection in Cloud? What is your view of the current frenzy about “AI”/ML for security? Resources: “Cyderes CNAP Makes SIEM Modernization a Snap”
Guest: Avi Shua, CEO and Co-founder @ Orca Security Topics: Where do you spend more efforts, on detection of pre-fail issues (like configuration errors) or post-fail issues (like incidents)? How do you prioritize the preventative and detective controls in your platform? When talking to CISOs, how do you explain that cloud threat detection is different from the on-premise type? In your opinion, are agents dead in the cloud? Do you think your customers care more about cloud-specific threats or traditional threats against cloud assets? How do you think about the tradeoff for security teams between using cloud native controls vs a 3rd party vendor like, say, you? Resources: “The Orca Security 2020 State of Public Cloud Security Report“
Guest:  John Kindervag, who is widely considered to be the creator of zero trust model in 2010 (currently works at ON2IT) Topics: What has changed in the world of zero trust since 2010? What must be trusted for a zero trust (ZT) system to work? What are key ZT project success pre-requisites? What is the first step in ZT implementation that increases the chance of its success? Is zero trust hard for most companies? What’s the most spectacular failure you’ve seen in a ZT project? Where do you see ZT heading in the next 10+ years? Resource: John's original zero trust paper (2010)
Guest: Brandon Levene, Malware Inquisitor @ Google Cloud Topics covered: Which malware is scarier, state-sponsored or criminal? How do we approach cybercrime mitigation at Google? How do we actually track malware? Don’t we need “attribution” for it? What are the most useful telemetry sources for study in modern malware? Does ransomware have a bright future? Where do you see threat actors making the biggest investments? Resource: "Crimeware In The Modern Era" paper by Brandon Levene
Guests: no guests, just Tim and Anton  Topics covered: Discussion of the interesting presentations from Cloud Security Talks Q1 2021 focused on trusted cloud, container security, cyber insurance, Chronicle, ML for network security, etc Resources: All Q1 2021 Cloud Security Talks “Cloud Risk Panel Discussion” video “A conversation on overcoming risk management challenges in the Cloud” video  “Better together - expanding the Confidential Computing ecosystem” video “Detect potential threats to your containers” video “Supercharge your security telemetry with Chronicle” video “Tales from the trenches: Using machine learning to create safer networks” video “Chrome Enterprise Security - A deep dive” video
Guests: Phil Venables (@philvenables), Vice President, Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) @ Google Cloud  Nick Godfrey, Director, Financial Services Security & Compliance and a member of Office of the CISO @ Google Cloud Topics covered: Why do you think so many CISOs of traditional organizations fear cloud migrations? What is your best advice to a CISO who wants to migrate to the cloud using the on-premise playbook, or lift and shift?  What are the real tradeoffs in this decision such as using familiar tools/practices vs cloud benefits/effectiveness?  What would you recommend reading for a CISO managing their first cloud migration Resources mentioned: Paper “CISO’s guide to Cloud Security Transformation”  Book “Building Secure and Reliable Systems: Best Practices for Designing, Implementing, and Maintaining Systems”  Book “Practical Guide to Cloud Migration”
Episode 4 “Gathering Data for Zero Trust” focuses on enabling zero trust access in the real world Guest: Max Saltonstall (@maxsaltonstall), Developer Advocate @ Google Cloud   Topics covered: What should be trusted for a zero trust system to work? What is the first thing you need to do to have a zero trust access project succeed? What data needs to be collected for zero trust system operation?
Automate and/or Die?

Automate and/or Die?


Episode 3 “Automate and/or Die?” focuses on automated remediation (or is it response!) in the cloud Guest: Joe Crawford, formerly in charge of cloud-native security at a large bank Topics covered: Can we automatically remediate vulnerabilities and threats in the cloud? Did you require humans to be in the loop for your automation? Is that still automation if we do? Does security fear of automation have a place in the cloud?
Episode 2 “Data Security in the Cloud” focuses on data security in the cloud  Guest: Andrew Lance, Sidechain Topics covered: What is special about data security in the cloud? How data security plays in the shift from perimeter and network security to identity-based security? Can I use detective data security controls and turn them into preventative controls? Resources: “Designing and deploying a data security strategy with Google Cloud” paper
“Confidentially Speaking” episode focuses on confidential computing Guest: Nelly Porter, Group Product Manager @ Google. Topics covered: What risks are mitigated by confidential computing? What types of organizations must adopt confidential computing? How and where the data is encrypted? Resources:  Confidential computing at Google Cloud
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