Confronting

In Episode 4, Kim goes back to the courthouse where her brother’s trial took place for the first time in 20 years. Kim sits down with former Assistant District Attorney Bill Hodgman and prosecutor Chris Darden, who both fought and failed to find justice for Kim’s brother. Kim presses to understand what went wrong with the prosecution’s case and learns that many believed the prosecution never had a chance. They’ll talk about Chris and Bill’s differing opinions on whether the prosecution was ready to go to trial or not. The two men reflect on the outcome and decisions that were made, most notably, Darden’s decision to have O.J. Simpson try on that black glove, which lead to the infamous phrase, “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit”.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

O.J. Simpson’s murder trial was broadcast in its entirety on television, and millions of Americans watched. The story was controversial, sensational, absurd, and the world became invested in the outcome. In this episode Kim explores the media circus with Dan Abrams and Shoreen Maghame – the “Trial of the Century” launched both of their careers. Hundreds of media outlets covered the trial and all of them converged outside the courthouse in what became known as “Camp O.J.” The non-stop media coverage allowed everyone in the country to connect with the case. Every little detail of the case was scrutinized: the credibility of the LAPD, the reputations of witnesses and attorneys, all the way down to Marcia Clark’s hair. Kim also speaks with Henry Schleiff, who took over Court TV shortly after the trial ended, about how the coverage changed the face television forever. Everyone, including your co-host, Nancy Glass, takes a hard look at the insanity of the non-stop media coverage.Episode 6 "Get Over It" is no longer available. Please continue enjoying the show with Episode 7!Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When the Trial of the Century began, twelve jurors and twelve alternates stepped into the Los Angeles County Court House to perform their civic duty. What they couldn’t have expected was that over the next nine months, they would be sequestered from public life and essentially have their entire lives put on pause. After all those months of testimony it took them mere hours to render one of the most controversial Not Guilty verdicts in history. In this episode of Confronting, Kim speaks with two of the jurors, Lionel Cryer and David Aldana. Both Lionel and David recall their experiences as part of the jury, reflect on the verdict they rendered and discuss how they would vote 25 years later.Episode 6 "Get Over It" is no longer available. Please continue enjoying the show with Episode 7!Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The jury in the Trial of the Century was sequestered for almost 9 months, longer than any jury before and since. But what did the jurors do when they weren’t in the jury box. In this bonus episode, jurors David Aldana and Lionel Cryer describe some of the ways the jurors were kept entertained when they weren't in the courtroom. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Goldmans didn’t get justice during the criminal trial, but the family had a second chance by filing a civil case against Simpson for the wrongful death of Ron. This time, it wouldn’t be “the People vs. Orenthal James Simpson”, it would be the Goldman’s name on the lawsuit. Kim speaks with Dan Petrocelli, the Goldman’s attorney for the lesser-known civil trial. Dan reflects on everything from his strategy in the courtroom, to the pressure he felt to win the case. Kim also speaks with Pablo Fenjves, a witness during the criminal trial who was later hired to ghostwrite Simpson’s book, If I Did It –  a hypothetical account of the night of the murders. Pablo and Kim discuss how this book came to be and Pablo expresses what he learned as he wrote what was essentially a pseudo admission of guilt with Simpson.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Enough is enough. Celebrities have always been held to a different standard of the law. In this story, that fact holds true. Simpson was able to skirt the law, even after his track record of his abuse and battery of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown. On this episode of Confronting, Kim explores the difficult and complex subject of domestic violence. Kim speaks with a close friend of Nicole Brown as well as with the advocate from the City of Los Angeles who handled Nicole’s case over 30 years ago. Finally, Kim speaks with policy expert Esta Soler, the founder of Futures Without Violence, who continues to fight for reforms around domestic violence in our criminal justice system and our culture.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In the tenth episode of Confronting we focus on grief and reflection. The Goldmans have carried grief with them every day for the last 25 years and in this episode Kim talks to grief expert David Kessler. Kim shares with David how she’s dealt with the loss of her brother and how she has been able to move forward while still holding on to his memory. Together they discuss loss, healing and how grief looks different for all of us. Kim reflects with both Fred and Nancy on her journey and how Confronting has impacted her.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this bonus episode, Kim speaks with the defense team's private investigator, Patrick McKenna.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this bonus episode, Kim has a conversation about domestic violence with lawyer, author, and clinical therapist Robin Sax.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This bonus episode is a further conversation between Kim and David Kessler, an expert in grief who contributed to Episode 10.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Confronting: Columbine is hosted by Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with being in the center of the Columbine massacre. Season 2 of Confronting launches on Wondery+ on April 20, 2021 and on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts on May 4, 2021. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Amy Over shares her experience as a high school senior, enjoying lunch in the cafeteria at Columbine High school on April 20, 1999, when two classmates went on a mission to kill as many students and faculty as they could. The Columbine massacre remains forever etched into the minds of Americans as the ground zero for the day parents stopped assuming that school is a safe place for children. Our host recounts her life as a teenager before the shooting and after. Who did she lose that day and how did it change the direction of her life? And she explains why now is when she has decided to reflect on what happened to her and her community. Amy confronts the questions that have haunted her for two decades. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

How does a school lunch with friends outside end with paramedics dodging gunfire in an attempt to pull your paralyzed body out of a war zone? Sean Graves shares his encounter with the Columbine killers on “Judgment Day.” The idea that anyone would try to kill him, let alone two fellow students was such a foreign idea that Sean actually went towards the gunfire, thinking it had to be a senior prank or a game. Sean candidly shares his arduous journey from paralyzed gunshot victim to school safety professional when he and Amy Over meet face-to-face for the first time.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Amy takes us inside Columbine High School twenty-one years later. She finds the spot where she hid as the shooting started. She reconnects with her principal, Frank DeAngelis. We learn what he had to sacrifice in his personal life in order to be there for “his kids.” Then teacher Tom Tonelli, a current Columbine history teacher and coach, whose tenure began before the massacre, explains why he has no fear of teaching there. Amy confesses a long-held secret about her family. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Amy brings together her old basketball team for this first time since high school. Her teammates recount good times. And they talk about the hero who saved so many of them on April 20, Dave Sanders.  Then we meet Coach Sanders’ daughters, Coni Sanders. Her sense of humor belies a deep hurt over the loss of her father. Coni recalls the frantic day they searched for information about her father’s whereabouts at hospitals and through law enforcement, only to finally learn the truth from a newspaper reporter seeking a comment. And Coni tells Amy what “dad” was really like when he wasn’t being a coach.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.