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Season 2 - Confronting: Columbine

The events of April 20th, 1999 shaped our nation and altered the American narrative. One of America’s deadliest school shootings took place in a small town in Colorado, leaving thirteen dead and another twenty-one severely injured. And it was all broadcast over national tv for the nation to see. 

The second season of Confronting takes on one of the most prolific tragedies in American history: the Columbine High School massacre. It was a devastating example of how easily a place of learning, familiarity and peace can descend into a war zone of chaos in a moment, the teenagers present that day are now adults who bear the mental and physical scars of the carnage they lived through. Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow, confronts many of the realities, questions and myths that surround the massacre to this day. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices, brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with confronting the worst day of her life.


Season 1 - Confronting: O.J. Simpson

25 years after the crimes that ignited the "Trial of the Century" Kim Goldman, sister of murder victim Ron Goldman, is digging deep into the vicious crime that changed her life, and many others, forever. Thrust into the public eye at the age of 22, Kim was devastated when OJ Simpson was found not guilty of the murders of his ex-wife Nicole and her brother Ron. There has been much debate and confusion about what really happened the night of those brutal murders and for the first time Kim gets answers to questions that have been haunting her since the trial. She sits down with prosecutors, investigators, and witnesses who never got to speak and jurors who voted not guilty. In this 10-part series, Kim takes you on a journey as she reclaims and reflects on the part of her life that was changed permanently.

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Marathon | 10

Marathon | 10

2021-06-2936:215

We’ve heard a lot of stories from this group about when they were young and back in high school. Now we hear about adult life. What is it like to date a survivor of gun violence? We hear a bit of their dark humor and feel the bond that has lasted through relationships, marriages, heartbreaks and life changes. Amy reflects on how this podcast has helped to heal her. Even while it was being produced, a community close to home, Boulder, Colorado, experienced a mass shooting. It's yet another sad but clear confirmation; the non-profit that Amy fundraises for, The Rebels Project, will need to continue to support survivors of mass trauma with no respite to mass shootings in sight.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Bonus: Greg

Bonus: Greg

2021-06-2513:403

Amy reconnects with a high school friend who grew up with Greg Barnes and delights in telling stories about his childhood antics. Landon explains how Greg still inspires him today. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
The Fourteenth | 9

The Fourteenth | 9

2021-06-2229:453

Greg Barnes was a star athlete, model student and beloved by friends and family. He brought pride and excitement to Columbine, the Littleton community and Colorado as a rising basketball star in the state. Greg witnessed Dave Sanders get shot and was one of the students who tried to save him. Shortly after the one-year anniversary of the massacre, Greg committed suicide. Amy has held onto her feelings about Greg and her last interaction with him for 20 years. She meets with Columbine’s basketball coach Rudy Martin whose unresolved pain over Greg also still lingers.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Safe Space | 8

Safe Space | 8

2021-06-1559:276

Mass shootings have become terrifyingly commonplace. There’s one almost every day. They often trigger PTSD. But Parkland was particularly difficult for Amy. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School teacher, Kim Krawczyk goes on the record with Amy, in an unfiltered interview, to address the Broward County Public Schools' failures, the need for a more robust mental health response to these types of traumas, and the warning signs the district missed before the killer's rampage. Dr. Peter Langman, a renowned expert on school shooters, weighs in on what he’s learned by studying them and the one thing they all have in common. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Bonus: Pulse

Bonus: Pulse

2021-06-1114:265

Columbine had a ripple effect across the country to how law enforcement responded to and engaged with an active shooter. One first responder, Officer Omar Delgado, who was first on the scene at the 2016 Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting, explains to Amy what training can’t teach you when you’re confronted with an active shooter. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Evacuate, Evade, Defend | 7

Evacuate, Evade, Defend | 7

2021-06-0801:01:125

Kate Battan was the newest member of the investigative team in Jefferson County but that didn’t stop her boss from handing her the Columbine case. The eyes of the country, the victims and other law enforcement were all on her. Amy finally has the opportunity to ask Kate about the rumored hit list.  Then Amy confronts AJ DeAndrea, one of the first responders who was on the scene, about why Coach Sanders wasn’t rescued sooner.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Addiction, suicide, jail, financial ruin. Those are just some of the problems that two of Amy’s nearest and dearest confronted after Columbine. Two fellow survivors, Zack Rissmiller and Zach Cartaya give Amy a detailed account of their experience on April 20th, 1999. Then they candidly talk about the repercussions of the trauma they experienced that horrific day. Both men share the journey of hitting rock bottom and fighting their way back. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Martians Landing | 5

Martians Landing | 5

2021-05-2548:386

Quantico comes to Columbine when Mary Ellen O’Toole arrives in Littleton nearly a year after the massacre. The perpetrators knew they would die on Judgement Day so they left videos to explain their actions. Mary Ellen O’Toole was the FBI profiler who analyzed those tapes and shares her impressions with Amy. Then Amy talks with best-selling Columbine author Dave Cullen. Dave sets the record straight about myths surrounding Columbine’s social dynamics, which continue to be perpetuated 21 years after the massacre. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
My Girls | 4

My Girls | 4

2021-05-1858:358

Amy brings together her old basketball team for this first time since high school. Her teammates recount good times. And they talk about the hero who saved so many of them on April 20, Dave Sanders.  Then we meet Coach Sanders’ daughters, Coni Sanders. Her sense of humor belies a deep hurt over the loss of her father. Coni recalls the frantic day they searched for information about her father’s whereabouts at hospitals and through law enforcement, only to finally learn the truth from a newspaper reporter seeking a comment. And Coni tells Amy what “dad” was really like when he wasn’t being a coach.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
We Are | 3

We Are | 3

2021-05-1150:599

Amy takes us inside Columbine High School twenty-one years later. She finds the spot where she hid as the shooting started. She reconnects with her principal, Frank DeAngelis. We learn what he had to sacrifice in his personal life in order to be there for “his kids.” Then teacher Tom Tonelli, a current Columbine history teacher and coach, whose tenure began before the massacre, explains why he has no fear of teaching there. Amy confesses a long-held secret about her family. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Annihilation Game | 2

Annihilation Game | 2

2021-05-0438:1310

How does a school lunch with friends outside end with paramedics dodging gunfire in an attempt to pull your paralyzed body out of a war zone? Sean Graves shares his encounter with the Columbine killers on “Judgment Day.” The idea that anyone would try to kill him, let alone two fellow students was such a foreign idea that Sean actually went towards the gunfire, thinking it had to be a senior prank or a game. Sean candidly shares his arduous journey from paralyzed gunshot victim to school safety professional when he and Amy Over meet face-to-face for the first time.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Rebel | 1

Rebel | 1

2021-05-0442:3821

Amy Over shares her experience as a high school senior, enjoying lunch in the cafeteria at Columbine High school on April 20, 1999, when two classmates went on a mission to kill as many students and faculty as they could. The Columbine massacre remains forever etched into the minds of Americans as the ground zero for the day parents stopped assuming that school is a safe place for children. Our host recounts her life as a teenager before the shooting and after. Who did she lose that day and how did it change the direction of her life? And she explains why now is when she has decided to reflect on what happened to her and her community. Amy confronts the questions that have haunted her for two decades. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Confronting: Columbine is hosted by Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with being in the center of the Columbine massacre. Season 2 of Confronting launches on Wondery+ on April 20, 2021 and on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts on May 4, 2021. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Bonus: Love and Grief

Bonus: Love and Grief

2019-08-2807:219

This bonus episode is a further conversation between Kim and David Kessler, an expert in grief who contributed to Episode 10.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
In this bonus episode, Kim has a conversation about domestic violence with lawyer, author, and clinical therapist Robin Sax.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
In this bonus episode, Kim speaks with the defense team's private investigator, Patrick McKenna.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
In the tenth episode of Confronting we focus on grief and reflection. The Goldmans have carried grief with them every day for the last 25 years and in this episode Kim talks to grief expert David Kessler. Kim shares with David how she’s dealt with the loss of her brother and how she has been able to move forward while still holding on to his memory. Together they discuss loss, healing and how grief looks different for all of us. Kim reflects with both Fred and Nancy on her journey and how Confronting has impacted her.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Living in Violence | 9

Living in Violence | 9

2019-07-3150:4552

Enough is enough. Celebrities have always been held to a different standard of the law. In this story, that fact holds true. Simpson was able to skirt the law, even after his track record of his abuse and battery of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown. On this episode of Confronting, Kim explores the difficult and complex subject of domestic violence. Kim speaks with a close friend of Nicole Brown as well as with the advocate from the City of Los Angeles who handled Nicole’s case over 30 years ago. Finally, Kim speaks with policy expert Esta Soler, the founder of Futures Without Violence, who continues to fight for reforms around domestic violence in our criminal justice system and our culture.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
The Goldmans didn’t get justice during the criminal trial, but the family had a second chance by filing a civil case against Simpson for the wrongful death of Ron. This time, it wouldn’t be “the People vs. Orenthal James Simpson”, it would be the Goldman’s name on the lawsuit. Kim speaks with Dan Petrocelli, the Goldman’s attorney for the lesser-known civil trial. Dan reflects on everything from his strategy in the courtroom, to the pressure he felt to win the case. Kim also speaks with Pablo Fenjves, a witness during the criminal trial who was later hired to ghostwrite Simpson’s book, If I Did It –  a hypothetical account of the night of the murders. Pablo and Kim discuss how this book came to be and Pablo expresses what he learned as he wrote what was essentially a pseudo admission of guilt with Simpson.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
The jury in the Trial of the Century was sequestered for almost 9 months, longer than any jury before and since. But what did the jurors do when they weren’t in the jury box. In this bonus episode, jurors David Aldana and Lionel Cryer describe some of the ways the jurors were kept entertained when they weren't in the courtroom. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Vanessa Simonin

omg! this guy needs a smack down. He is heinous. Burn in hell malcom

Jul 3rd
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S Mileto

So I am a little disappointed that this is the last episode. I would have loved to have them touch on the deeper issues within American culture that contributed to this tragedy, like gun control or at least have an honest discussion about it. I would have also like for her to confront the person who bought the weapons, or at least delve into her motives further. I don't feel like she actually confronted people the way Lauren Goldman did in season one. Nevertheless, what Amy did was a great thing, discussing this with survivors and victims' families. I hope this has helped with hers and other victims' healing.

Jun 30th
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Lauren Champlin

Good to hear more about Greg and how much impact he had on others

Jun 29th
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S Mileto

I find it interesting that you have to have active shooter drills and have these types of discussions with your children, choose kindergartens based on how close the classroom is to the entrance because 'this is the world'. No it is not the world. It is America. But hey, at least you all have your guns.

Jun 28th
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ID20534734

This guy is annoying! Calm down and stop yelling. Damn!

Jun 22nd
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Sarah Jane

It's annoying how obsessed you are about this hit list. You speak of it on just about every episode several times. I suggest some counseling for that because I dont see how that can bring you "closure". I'm sorry if I sound rude because that's not my intention. I am so sorry for your trauma along with every other survivor, it breaks my heart. It just sounds self centered when you speak on that so much!

Jun 18th
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Jill K

This is so heartbreaking. So senseless. This happened when I was pretty young, but I remember. My heart goes out to Ron's family and friends.

Jun 18th
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Danielle Beeaff

I found the FBI interview extremely fascinating and right on the nose. Something I have always thought of is, we are lacking teaching how to care about other people instead of just ourselves. My opinion from what I observed, selfishness is what is celebrated and rewardedin this country.

Jun 15th
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Mary Palmer Baez

My heart breaks for everyone who is still suffering from the tragedy. 🤗😪💔.

Jun 8th
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Suzanne Jane

That journalist is so annoying. Puts me off reading his book.

May 25th
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ID20534734

Well done

May 24th
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podcastusername

Malcolm LaVergne is a childish douche bag.

May 21st
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Mila Schneider

I cried but also laughed with the sad tragedy and the good times of the women in their teen years I feel the emotions how they felt and still feeling

May 21st
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James Bradford

The whole world knows that mf is guilty - it was the first national display of how money can buy the justice system. 25 years later and nothing has changed. Yet here we are acting shocked once again.

May 14th
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Aaron Glidden

sending love to anyone who is having a rough time , you are loved

May 12th
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Dana Pellegrino

What Amy's family did makes me mad. She just went through a traumatic experience that could have ended her life and her family thinks she should have just gotten over it??? I think it would be monumental to her health and healing to tell her family how that hurt her. Putting others first like that isn't healthy, even more so when it makes us minimize our own experience and pain.

May 11th
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Saylor

Disgusting, insecure, immature, hateful...Not giving the douchebag another thought!

Apr 1st
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Bruce Warren

Get over what? you think that we care about O.J. really, We know he did it but it's the first time that a black man got away with something in this country. This does not make up for all the injustices that have been impose on Blacks.

May 29th
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Andy Rose

Kim Goldman is a hero!

May 5th
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Tania B

my brother was also murdered and the murderers were never caught. That said I would not be able to sit across the table with them, let alone have a "conversation" I just want to say good one you for having the strength to do that!

Feb 22nd
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