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"Covenant & Conflict" is a thought-provoking podcast produced by the “Gateway Center for Israel” and hosted by Nic Lesmeister and David Blease, where ancient biblical truths meet contemporary issues head-on. Each episode offers a deep dive into complex and often divisive topics with subject matter experts, aiming to explore the intersection of covenantal values and modern debates. Instead of fostering division, this podcast seeks to model respectful engagement and peaceful discourse amidst conflict.
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FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA:https://instagram.com/CenterForIsrael/https://www.facebook.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://twitter.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/gateway-center-for-israelLEARNING RESOURCES:Getting Started — Israel 101: https://centerforisrael.com/getting-started/Israel Prayer Guide: https://centerforisrael.com/israel-prayer-guide/Perspective Papers: https://centerforisrael.com/papers/
In this thought-provoking episode, David Blease sits down with Nehemia Gordon—renowned Hebrew scholar and former Orthodox Jew turned Karaite—to explore the profound differences between Rabbinic Judaism and Karaite Judaism.Nehemia shares his journey of faith and scholarship, revealing why Karaites choose to follow the Hebrew Bible alone, wrestling with the later Rabbinic traditions like the Talmud. Together, we trace the historical roots of the Karaite movement and examine its implications for Jewish identity and biblical interpretation today.But that’s not all—we also dive into the fascinating world of ancient manuscripts as Nehemia walks us through the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew. How does it differ from the more commonly known Greek versions? What might this tell us about Yeshua (Jesus) 's original words? This conversation challenges assumptions and offers fresh perspectives on Scripture, history, and faith.📚 Discover more of Nehemia’s work and get all his books at: https://www.nehemiaswall.comAmazon Link to Nehemia’s Books Here: https://tinyurl.com/47pbwe62
Believers across denominations are asking deeper questions about Communion—the Eucharist. In this episode, we explore what Jesus meant when He instituted it at Passover, whether we receive His actual body and blood, and how the Church can faithfully recover God’s heart for the Table.
In this powerful interview, Michael Mistretta, a Messianic leader and long-time friend of CFI shares his journey of following Yeshua in Israel, the challenges Messianic Jews face, and the new doors God is opening in the midst of conflict. Learn how FIRM is impacting lives across Israel and how you can pray and get involved: firmisrael.org.
What happens when church history and Jewish heritage collide? In this compelling conversation with Dr. Jen Rosner, we explore the tension between Christian tradition and Jewish roots, confronting the flaws of early church councils while honoring the beauty and complexity of both faith traditions.
What happens when a Christian pastor sits down with two Orthodox rabbis from Israel to discuss faith, theology, and the future of the Jewish-Christian relationships? This powerful episode of Covenant and Conflict dives deep into one of the most pressing spiritual conversations of our time.In today's episode we explore:The complex tension between particularity and universalism in God’s covenantal planThe challenges and theological consequences of replacement theologyHow humility and historical honesty can bridge centuries of misunderstandingThe impact of modern events in Israel on Jewish-Christian unityA raw look at antisemitism, identity, and the growing alliance between Jews and Christians in a post-October 7th worldThis isn’t just a theological discussion—it’s a call to seek truth with open hearts, to embrace our shared biblical foundations, and to foster genuine understanding in a divided world.FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA:/ gateway-center-for-israel/ centerforisrael/ centerforisrael/ centerforisraelLEARNING RESOURCES:Getting Started - Israel 101: https://centerforisrael.com/getting-s...Israel Prayer Guide: https://centerforisrael.com/israel-pr...Perspective Papers: https://centerforisrael.com/papers#Christianity #Judaism #Israel #Faith #Theology #ReplacementTheology #JewishChristianRelations #CovenantAndConflict #Humility #BibleStudy
Join David Blease and Preston Benjamin as they unpack the four types of seekers in the Jewish-Christian space—authenticity, conspiracy, curiosity, and identity—offering insight and practical guidance on leading people toward a deeper faith and avoiding many common pitfalls.This video is a must-watch for anyone who feels led to the Jewish foundations of our faith.
In this episode of Covenant & Conflict, David Blease and Matthew Hernandez explore the transformative practice of the Sabbath, emphasizing its significance as a time for rest and connection with God and family. Matthew shares insights from his own journey, including meaningful traditions his family has embraced and flexible ways to incorporate Sabbath into busy lives. Join us to discover how this sacred practice can bring healing and awareness of God's presence into your everyday routine!
In this episode, David Blease sits down with Preston Benjamin, an expert in Messianic Jewish understanding with a Master's in Biblical Theology. Preston breaks down Acts 15, the historical roots of the Evangelical Church, and whether the Church should return to the Acts model. The early church faced a major challenge in integrating Gentile believers who wanted to follow the God of Israel, but were not commanded by God to adopt Jewish identity and practices. Through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the church decided that Gentiles could be adopted into the family of Abraham through faith in Jesus without needing to be circumcised or fully convert to Judaism.This allowed the church to remain rooted in its Jewish foundations while welcoming Gentiles. The relationship between the church and Israel has often been complex and contentious throughout history, with the church sometimes falling into a theology of replacement or supersessionism.However, there is a growing understanding that the church and Israel are not separate but instead represent the ongoing people of God, with both Jewish and Gentile believers having a vital role to play.As the church seeks to reconnect with its biblical roots, it must do so in a way that honors the unique identity and calling of both Jewish and Gentile believers.
In this episode, Rosian Zerner, a Holocaust survivor, shares her harrowing story of witnessing the Nazis' invasion of her hometown in Lithuania and the horrors that followed.She describes the atrocities committed by her Lithuanian neighbors, the deprivation and harsh conditions in the ghettos and concentration camps, and the bravery of those who risked their lives to help her escape.Despite the trauma, Rosian rebuilt her life in the United States, raising a family and living to the age of 90. Her powerful testimony serves as a reminder of the importance of Holocaust education and of standing up against antisemitism and hatred in all its forms.
In this episode, Dr. David Rudolph and David Blease discuss the importance of understanding the Jewish foundation of the Christian faith and the need for a healthy relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers in Messiah.They discuss topics such as:* The danger of trying to integrate Jewish practices into the church without developing meaningful relationships with the Jewish community.* The concept of the "one new man" in Ephesians 2, which refers to Jews and Gentiles coming together in Messiah as equal covenant partners, not as a new identity that erases their distinct Jewish and Gentile identities.* There are two extremes to avoid - completely assimilating Jewish believers into Gentile Christian culture, or trying to compel all Gentile believers to adopt a Jewish lifestyle. The goal should be to embrace the unique callings of both Jewish and Gentile believers.* Gentile Christians should seek to support and develop relationships with Messianic Jewish congregations, as well as with non-believing Jewish communities, to stand against antisemitism and walk in unity as the body of Messiah.
In this episode, we talk about the significance of Passover and its connection to the life and ministry of Jesus (Yeshua). We explore how Passover is a feast of revival, with historical examples of major revivals in the Old Testament associated with Passover. The discussion also delves into the symbolic elements of Passover, such as the bitter herbs, unleavened bread, and the four cups of wine, and how they foreshadow and point to Jesus as the fulfillment of Passover. Additionally, the conversation touches on the historical development of the Passover Seder ritual and how it relates to the Last Supper and the institution of communion.The practical implications for Gentile Christians celebrating Passover are also discussed, emphasizing the importance of including Jewish believers and maintaining the distinction between the obligations of Jews and the invitation to Gentiles.
This episode explores the biblical and historical context around the relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers in Jesus. Nic and David from the Center For Israel discuss:* The tendency among Christians to "supersede" or overlook the importance of God's covenantal relationship with the Jewish people in the biblical narrative* The debate around whether Gentile believers should adopt Jewish practices and traditions* The historical context of the decisions made at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, which exempted Gentiles from the requirement to follow Mosaic law while providing some guidelines for fellowship* The importance of Gentile believers cultivating humility, relationship, and mutual interdependence with the Jewish community rather than attempting to replace or replicate Jewish identity and practices
Today, we talk with Dr. Jen Rosner, a Jewish follower of Yeshua (Jesus) and prolific author and professor. She explores the tensions and challenges she has faced in navigating her Jewish identity while following the Messiah and the importance of embracing them rather than seeking to resolve them entirely. The discussion also highlights the need to honor the distinct identities of Jewish and Gentile believers in the Messiah and to avoid perpetuating a "two-class society" where Gentiles feel “less than.” The conversation emphasizes the richness that comes from diverse expressions of faith and the value of wrestling with difficult questions rather than seeking definitive answers. Let’s dive into a fantastic conversation full of incredible insights into the complexities of Jewish-Gentile relations within the Messianic movement.
In this episode, David talks with Kara Daniels about her experience on a trip to Europe that followed the path of the Holocaust, including stops in Germany, Prague, and Poland. The speaker shares how the trip transformed her perspective on the Jewish people, the Holocaust, and the Church's responsibility to understand and support the Jewish community.Seeing these sights up close and with Jewish Educators who are children of Holocaust survivors provided a more concrete and personal understanding of the horrors of the Holocaust, moving from abstract knowledge to a more profound empathy.
In today’s episode, David Blease talks with Ryan Warren, who recounts his journey from hip-hop dancing to becoming a pastor and advocate for the Jewish community in Dallas, Texas. He shares how he developed deep friendships with Orthodox Jewish leaders and rabbis in the Dallas community, focusing on genuinely understanding their faith and identity.Ryan emphasizes the importance of acknowledging the history of Christian persecution of Jewish people and the need for Christians to approach the Jewish community with humility, respect, and a desire to learn rather than emphasizing conversion (a term deeply offensive to many members of the Jewish community and misunderstood by many Christians.)David and Ryan discuss how recent attacks on the Jewish community have impacted them and the Jewish people, and how Christians can respond by standing in solidarity with the Jewish community.Ryan encourages Christians to listen, understand, and build unbreakable friendships with the Jewish community, rather than just proclaiming support for Israel or the Jewish people in abstract terms.
Rabbi Marty Waldman shares his personal journey of finding faith in Yeshua as a Jewish man, and how this led him to plant a Messianic Jewish congregation and later found the organization TJCII (Towards Jerusalem Council) to promote unity between Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Messiah. He describes profound supernatural experiences that drew him to Yeshua and the gradual process of integrating Jewish traditions and worship with his newfound faith. Waldman emphasizes the critical importance of unity between Jews and Gentiles, seeing it as a central calling and an anointed work of the Holy Spirit. He shares stories of how this unity has brought breakthrough and reconciliation, even in places of long-standing division. https://www.tjcii.org
David Blease interviews Nicole, who recounts the harrowing story of the terrorist attack on their community in Kibbutz Beri, Israel. Nicole's mother was m*rdered in the attack, and 102 people from the community were m*rdered in total. The terrorists took 51 h*stages, with only three possibly still alive. The community has been devastated, losing 10% of its population. Despite this immense trauma, Nicole and Ido speak of their hope, faith, and desire to rebuild their community with the help of supporters worldwide. They emphasize the importance of living in peace, rejecting violence, and treating all people with dignity. They encourage listeners to pray for the hostages, support the rebuilding efforts, and stand in solidarity with the people of Israel.
In this episode, Petra Scott shares her journey of understanding the need for the Church to embrace its Jewish foundation and relationship with the Jewish community. Petra's journey began with resistance and skepticism toward the connection between Israel and the Church. She was later floored by the revelation of embracing the Jewish foundation of our faith. The discussion covers concepts like interdependence, covenantal unity, and the Church's need to honor and respect its Jewish foundation. Genuinely embracing this understanding is not about changing the Church's mission but rather enhancing and aligning with God's heart for Israel and the one new man of Jew and Gentile. The speaker argues that without this revelation, the Church is missing a full understanding of the kingdom and the fulfillment of Jesus' prayer in John 17 for unity.
What is the name of the small stretch of controversial Middle Eastern land where 80% of the Bible took place? The ancient phrase "Judea and Samaria" or the more modern "West Bank?" And IF the Bible says God gave this land to the Jewish people, then why are Arab Palestinians the majority population - and certain Jewish Israeli settlements considered illegal? Nic and David jump into these complicated waters to talk about the various perspectives surrounding this contentious geographical spot along the Israeli/Jordanian border. They touch on topics such as the birth of the nation of Israel, the Israeli political definition of "right" and "left," the relationships between Israeli Jews and Arabs, the necessity of prayer and action by believers, and what the Scriptural and prophetic outcomes could be for the land in the future.
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