Cults and the Culting of America

This episode of Cults and the Culting of America features guest Jess M. (aka White Mess Express), a former nurse, alongside hosts Daniella Mestyanek Young and Scot Loyd. The conversation explores how the U.S. healthcare system—particularly nursing—resembles a cult in its culture, practices, and systemic issues. Jess describes the hierarchical "rite of passage" culture in nursing (e.g., new nurses being called “baby nurses” and forced through hazing-like experiences). They highlight systemic contradictions: nurses are told to always be learning but punished for questioning authority, encouraged to self-sacrifice at the expense of their own health, and held individually responsible for systemic failures. The discussion broadens to the U.S. healthcare system as a whole—its prioritization of profit over care, its inequities toward marginalized groups, and the emotional toll on providers and patients alike. Daniella and Scot connect these patterns to cult dynamics: degradation rituals, infantilization, blind obedience, toxic positivity, and punishment for dissent. Jess shares personal experiences of disillusionment: discovering nursing’s promises of stability and meaning were hollow, dealing with disability from the physical demands of the work, and grieving the loss of identity and purpose after leaving the profession. They emphasize the need for gratitude toward frontline staff, patient self-advocacy, and systemic change. The episode closes with encouragement: while healthcare workers may feel trapped in a “cult of medicine,” deconstructing the experience allows them to reclaim their skills and narratives. Jess also shares where listeners can follow their ongoing work on TikTok and other platforms. Jess's Links:  linktree Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: Knitting Cult Lady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's Socials TikTok:  @thescotloyd Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Key Takeaways Nursing culture as a “cult”: Hierarchical structure with forced rites of passage (“baby nurse” system). Bullying, hazing, and degradation rituals normalize suffering. Emotional suppression is enforced—nurses must “put on a nurse face.” Constant demand for self-sacrifice, often leading to burnout or worse. Systemic contradictions: Nurses are told to always be learning, but punished for questioning authority. Healthcare talks about being “systemic” but punishes individuals for systemic failures. Promises of good pay, benefits, and flexibility often clash with reality (mandatory overtime, long shifts, poor work-life balance). Healthcare as a profit-driven business: U.S. healthcare prioritizes money over patient wellbeing. Marginalized groups bear the brunt—Black and brown people, unhoused individuals, women, the poor. Providers often have no say in pricing or systemic policies. Impact on patients and providers: Patients face bankruptcy, neglect, or dismissal of their concerns. Providers internalize a culture of silence, mistrust, and emotional suppression. Many healthcare workers avoid seeking care themselves due to stigma or normalization of suffering. Breaking out of the “cult”: Leaving healthcare can feel like grief or loss of identity. Gratitude from patients can be more meaningful than institutional rewards (“pizza party” culture). Patients can advocate for themselves by remembering they are the experts on their own bodies. Deconstructing cult-like systems allows survivors to reclaim and repurpose their skills and experiences. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Healthcare System's Cult-like Nature 02:53 The Hierarchical Structure in Nursing 05:43 Systemic Issues in Healthcare 08:35 The Role of Nurses vs. Doctors 11:23 Healthcare as a Business 14:29 The Impact of Privilege on Healthcare Access 17:29 Experiences with Vulnerable Patients 20:20 Expectations vs. Reality in Nursing 23:28 Emotional Toll of Nursing and Military Service 28:08 Navigating Emotions in Healthcare 31:02 The Patient Experience: A Nurse's Perspective 33:45 The Reality of Nursing: Expectations vs. Reality 37:47 The Cult of Healthcare: A Critical Examination 47:34 Self-Advocacy in Healthcare: Empowering Patients 50:33 The Grieving Process of Leaving Healthcare Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, Scot Loyd joins Haley while Daniela is away on her book tour. The conversation centers on Scot’s forthcoming memoir The God I Was Given: Looking for Faith After Losing My Religion, which blends personal memoir with philosophical and scholarly reflections on growing up in the United Pentecostal Church (UPC). Scot discusses the creative and emotional risks of releasing such a personal work, particularly the fear of being misunderstood or dismissed by current UPC members. He shares vivid stories from his childhood in rural Arkansas, shaped by his religious grandmother’s influence and the paradox of being raised under a strong female matriarch within a patriarchal religious system. The discussion explores masculinity, gender socialization, identity loss after leaving a high-control religion, and the role of storytelling in fostering empathy and understanding. Scot emphasizes that leaving the church cost him his core identity as a “Pentecostal preacher,” but also gave him the opportunity to discover and cultivate other talents. Throughout, Scot and Haley highlight the need for nuance in conversations about faith, deconstruction, and human identity, advocating for a broader cultural shift toward allowing multiple ways of being without harm. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: Knitting Cult Lady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's Socials TikTok:  @thescotloyd Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Key Takeaways Book Launch & Themes: Scot’s book is a hybrid of memoir and analysis, examining his upbringing in the UPC and the philosophical implications of faith, identity, and place. Fear of Misunderstanding: He worries readers—especially current UPC members—may not engage with the book’s nuance, expecting it to be more condemning than it is. Nuance Over Binary Thinking: Scot stresses that his church experience included both positive and harmful elements, and that faith should be open to scrutiny. Matriarch in a Patriarchal World: His grandmother wielded significant influence despite strict religious rules limiting women’s roles, creating a confusing model of gender for Scot. Masculinity & Socialization: Haley and Scot discuss how men raised as “choosers” in patriarchal contexts may struggle with rejection, and how rigid gender roles harm everyone. Loss of Identity After Leaving: Exiting the UPC meant losing his defining role as a preacher, forcing a reevaluation of self and purpose. Storytelling as Healing: Scot sees storytelling as a vital tool for empathy and connection, more impactful than sermons or lectures. Values as Identity Anchor: Both discuss grounding identity in values rather than rigid self-concepts to avoid spirals and allow personal growth. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Book Announcement 03:27 Fears and Expectations of a New Author 11:25 The Influence of Geography on Faith 20:04 Navigating Patriarchy and Matriarchy 29:25 Masculinity and the Burden of Choice 31:30 The Burden of Expectations 37:48 Navigating Identity and Masculinity 43:09 The Power of Storytelling in Healing 46:34 The Cost of Leaving a Religious Identity 54:35 Values Over Identity: A New Perspective Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode, Scott Loyd interviews the creators and a performer from Sunday Brunch: The Musical, a new theatrical work that humorously explores cult dynamics through a family brunch gone spectacularly wrong. While cult expert and regular host Daniella Mestyanek Young is absent due to technical difficulties, she sends in praise for the team’s viral “cult song,” noting how deeply it resonated with survivor experiences. Guests Ernie Bird (composer/co-writer), Rachel Abramon (lyricist/co-writer), and Gabrielle Filloux (performer) delve into the creative origins, songwriting process, and comedic construction of the show. Originally written during a jobless winter break as a fun project between friends, Sunday Brunch grew into a layered musical exploring dysfunction, privilege, and the absurdities of cult logic—all grounded in levity and genuine empathy. Their viral charm song features an escalating back-and-forth between two characters trying to one-up each other’s trauma—with one repeatedly revealing that every family member is, in fact, in a cult. The group discusses the delicate balance of comedy and respect, how cult themes naturally wove into the narrative, and how they may expand the story into a larger universe featuring the three-headed bear deity and warring cults. The episode also explores broader insights into cult dynamics, including the “meta-cults” of capitalism, white supremacy, and toxic workplace culture. Each guest shares personal brushes with high-control environments, even if not officially in cults, reinforcing the pervasiveness of coercive systems in everyday life. Keep up with the Musical:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sundaybrunchthemusical/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@erniebored Ernie’s site: https://imerniebird.com Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: Knitting Cult Lady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Key Takeaways 🥞 Sunday Brunch is about more than brunch: What began as a casual writing experiment became a thoughtful and absurdist musical that explores cult dynamics through comedy. 🎶 The “Cult Song” hit a nerve: The viral charm song resonated deeply with survivors—especially its honest portrayal of how absurd (and painful) cult logic can be when juxtaposed with “normal” life. 🎭 Comedy with respect: The team imposed structural rules (e.g., every chorus must mention the cult) that challenged them to find humor without mocking trauma—highlighting the difficulty and importance of “punching up.” 🧠 Art can offer catharsis: Humor becomes a vehicle for emotional release, empathy, and representation of marginalized experiences—including those of cult survivors. 🐻 There’s lore now?! The writers accidentally created rich backstory (e.g., cult wars, a three-headed bear god, a waitress married to a cult leader) and are considering a spin-off musical set fully inside the cult. 💬 Cult experiences exist on a spectrum: Even without direct cult involvement, all guests reflected on how systems—like oppressive workplaces or nationalist ideologies—can mimic cult behavior. ❤️ Creative partnerships matter: Ernie and Rachel’s deep friendship and comedic trust allowed for bold, weird, and eventually impactful storytelling. 📢 Support artists: Follow Sunday Brunch: The Musical on Instagram and TikTok [@sundaybrunchthemusical], and look out for their official demos coming soon to Spotify. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Sunday Brunch Musical 02:59 The Creative Process Behind Sunday Brunch 05:54 Character Development and Song Composition 08:56 Exploring Themes of Cults in the Musical 12:05 Comedy in Musical Theater 15:10 Personal Experiences with Cults 17:57 The Role of Art and Comedy in Society 21:09 Future Projects and Aspirations 24:01 Conclusion and Call to Action Produced by Haley Phillips

This episode of Cults and the Culting of America features guest Kelvin, a political scientist and community organizer, in a deep dive on whether capitalism functions as a cult and how overlapping systems like patriarchy, white supremacy, and religion have historically reinforced each other. The hosts, Scot and Daniella, explore the evolution of these frameworks—from European colonialism and the doctrine of discovery to modern American politics—and discuss how these systemic beliefs sustain cult-like behaviors in society. The conversation covers the historical hijacking of Christianity, education as a control mechanism, the cult of Americanism, and the psychological and political strategies that uphold oppressive systems. The episode closes with an optimistic note about generational shifts, the decline of white supremacist capitalism, and practical advice on grassroots activism. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: Knitting Cult Lady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities 🔑 Key Takeaways Capitalism as a Social Framework (Not Just Economics) Capitalism is more than markets; it’s a way of being that shapes education, infrastructure, and social values. Systems like schooling and urban planning are designed to sustain capitalist efficiency, not holistic human development. The “Cult of Americanism” American identity was built on the fusion of capitalism, patriarchy, and white supremacy, forming a powerful social order. These ideologies served as tools to consolidate and distribute power, functioning like a macro-level cult. Religion as a Tool of Oppression Early Christianity advocated communalism and equity, but the Roman Empire co-opted it into a hierarchical system for control. Similar hijacking occurs today: religious rhetoric justifies policies that maintain systemic inequality. Historical Continuity of Control From feudal Europe’s restricted education to modern book bans and anti-CRT measures, elites have always used education to control narratives. Missionary work historically served as an agent of colonialism, reinforcing white supremacist dominance. Cult Dynamics in Modern Politics Donald Trump leveraged pre-existing ideological “mini cults” into a cult of personality. Fear-mongering and disinformation perpetuate obedience, especially among poor whites who vote against their own interests. Intersection of Racism, Class, and Patriarchy Patriarchy incentivizes Black men’s alignment with conservative politics despite racial oppression, framing it as access to power. Economic myths—like the American Dream—sustain loyalty to capitalist structures even among those it exploits. Signs of Systemic Decline Demographic shifts and younger generations’ progressive values suggest that white supremacist capitalism is in “death throes.” Cults collapse when they lose control of youth—an encouraging sign for future equity. Action Step for Listeners “Find something you care about and show up where it’s happening.” Collective action grows when individuals commit to causes aligned with their values. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Book Launch 03:02 Exploring Capitalism as a Social Framework 05:44 Cults and Cultural Frameworks 08:51 The Cult of Americanism 11:50 Racism and Colonialism in America 14:52 The Evolution of Christianity and Power 17:50 Missionaries and Colonialism 20:59 The Arrogance of White Supremacy 23:45 Closing Thoughts on Education and Power 29:12 The Role of Education in Society 31:21 Questioning Authority and Personal Experiences 35:09 The Impact of Capitalism and White Supremacy 39:13 The Illusion of the American Dream 43:52 The Death Throes of White Supremacy and Capitalism 48:55 Shifts in Political Support Among Black Men 53:25 Hope for the Future and Community Engagement Produced by Haley Phillips  

In this revealing and emotionally rich episode of Cults and the Culting of America, Cynthia Williams joins hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mestyanek Young to unpack her journey through—and out of—the United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI). Cynthia shares how, like many others, she once believed that her local church was different. The rules were strict, yes, but they felt spiritually justified—until the cracks began to show. As Cynthia puts it, the realization came slowly: “I think it's probably just in the last two years… that I finally was like, wait a minute, I think I was in a cult.” That moment of clarity is a turning point in the episode, as the conversation explores how UPCI and similar groups protect themselves through plausible deniability. “Not my church,” people say—oblivious or unwilling to confront the broader systemic harm. Cynthia describes how Bible college exposed her to both a deeper version of indoctrination and—paradoxically—the seeds of her exit. Through theology classes and critical thinking challenges, she began questioning the very doctrines that once gave her purpose. The episode also dives into her experience witnessing the tragic death of a teenage girl at Bible school—a loss that the church quickly co-opted into a martyrdom narrative, silencing Cynthia’s voice and rewriting the truth. Alongside moments of grief and spiritual disillusionment, the hosts discuss cult tactics like toxic positivity, spiritual bypassing, gendered control, and the recurring pattern of falling into other high-control environments even after leaving religion. From the military to corporate America, Cynthia’s story traces how these systems echo one another—and how healing requires naming those echoes for what they are. With warmth, honesty, and shared survivor wisdom, this episode is a candid look at what it means to say, “Maybe it was my church after all.” Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: Knitting Cult Lady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Key Take-Aways 🚩 On Cult Dynamics in UPCI: Rules varied by pastor but enforced absolute obedience, reinforcing the illusion of autonomy while maintaining tight control. Women were subjected to extreme modesty standards, with the specifics often shifting—creating confusion and deep internalization of shame and obedience. Plausible deniability ("not my church") was used to disguise systemic problems across UPCI. 👩‍🦰 On Gender & Power: Women in UPCI were expected to be either angelic “saints” or demonized “Jezebels”—no in-between. Women showing independence or intellect were often ostracized or tightly policed. Cynthia’s racial identity and outsider status gave her marginal freedom to step outside strict gender molds—but also made her invisible in some ways. 🧠 On Deconstruction & Identity: Bible school inadvertently helped Cynthia develop critical thinking, ultimately aiding her exit. Leaving the group meant not just losing community, but also certainty, purpose, and a framework for meaning. Like many ex-cult members, Cynthia found herself repeatedly drawn to similarly high-control environments even after leaving UPCI. 💥 On Trauma & Abuse: The murder of a student Cynthia mentored was mishandled by the church, which spun the event into a martyrdom narrative—silencing Cynthia and distorting the truth. This cover-up became a breaking point, highlighting the institution’s willingness to exploit tragedy for control and propaganda. Cynthia shares how old coping strategies like breaking into church songs still emerge under stress—signs of deep conditioning and dissociation. 🧵 On Community & Healing: A strong, emotionally safe partnership is key in Cynthia’s healing journey. Daniella highlights the concept of being an “invisible immigrant”—growing up in an insular religious world without cultural references or grounding in the outside world. They celebrate the comfort and solidarity found in the “ex-cult sisterhood”—a chosen family of people who get it. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Cult Experiences 03:10 Personal Journeys in the United Pentecostal Church 06:01 Expectations and Restrictions for Women 08:46 Identifying Cult-like Behaviors 11:54 The Role of Education in Cult Awareness 15:05 Navigating Gender Dynamics in Cults 17:45 The Impact of Nostalgia and Shared Experiences 20:59 Emotional Healing and Reflection 23:57 Coping with Life After Leaving a Cult 30:20 Revisiting Trauma and Dissociation 31:55 Toxic Positivity in High-Control Groups 34:14 Tragedy and Manipulation: The Church's Narrative 39:40 The Impact of Violence on Faith Communities 43:23 Identity Crisis After Leaving the Cult 50:07 Life After the Cult: Finding New Paths Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, host Scot Loyd and Daniella Mestyanek-Young (KnittingCultLady) sit down with Hilary Giovale—a ninth-generation settler living among Indigenous communities in Northern Arizona. Hilary opens up about her journey from segregation to engaging deeply with Native communities, emphasizing how re-education and personal healing can unravel the lasting wounds of colonialism. Hilary discusses the trauma inflicted by Indigenous boarding schools and the persistent impact of white supremacy on both marginalized communities and white culture. By practicing ancestral reverence and focusing on actionable reparations—like supporting sacred landscape protection and Indigenous-led initiatives—Hilary and her guests illustrate the transformative power of honest dialogue and community-based healing. For more on Hilary’s work, listeners are encouraged to visit her website, GoodRelative.com. Hilary's Links:  Her Book: Becoming a Good Relative  Guide to Making a Personal Reparations Plan An Indigenous Peoples History of the United States, by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz My Grandmother's Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies, by Resmaa Menakem Reclaiming Our Indigenous European Roots, by Lyla June Johnston Listeners can donate to the Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition to support the continued research and documentation Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Takeaways Transformative Re-education: Hilary shares her journey from a segregated existence to building respectful relationships with Indigenous communities. Boarding School Trauma: The discussion highlights the deep and enduring pain caused by Indigenous boarding schools and their impact on cultural identity. Confronting White Supremacy: The conversation emphasizes the need to recognize and dismantle the harmful legacy of white supremacy, both for marginalized people and within white culture itself. Humility and Listening: Hilary stresses the importance of approaching new communities with genuine curiosity, humility, and a readiness to learn rather than impose. Ancestral Healing Practices: The practice of ancestral reverence—such as maintaining an ancestor altar—is offered as a powerful tool for personal and collective healing. Community-Based Action: The episode underlines the significance of supporting sacred landscape protection, Indigenous-led initiatives, and creating personal reparations plans as crucial steps toward healing. Produced by Haley Phillips

This week on Cults and the Culting of America, we’re turning the mic toward someone you all know well—our beloved cohost, Scot Loyd. With no guest this episode, Daniella takes the opportunity to spotlight Scot’s powerful personal journey and upcoming book, The God That I Was Given. In an open and layered conversation, Scot reflects on his years inside the United Pentecostal Church, his rise to leadership, and what it meant to deconstruct the faith and ideologies that shaped him. He and Daniella discuss the gendered nature of cult experiences, the silence often expected of men, and how writing becomes both a weapon and a lifeline for survivors. They also dig deep into the racist roots of Pentecostalism, the enduring myth of white Christian victimhood, and how cult dynamics echo through American politics today. Whether you’ve been here since episode one or are just tuning in, this intimate episode offers a closer look at Scot’s story and the broader systems of power so many of us are still trying to untangle. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Takeways Even Survivors Can Be Complicit Scot reflects on how he not only endured harm within the United Pentecostal Church but also perpetuated it as a preacher and leader. His journey involves confronting both victimhood and complicity—a nuanced look at accountability in high-control systems. Patriarchy Shields Men from Cult Harm—and From Speaking Out The conversation explores why fewer men write cult survivor memoirs: patriarchal systems often cushion men from the worst abuses and discourage emotional vulnerability, leaving their stories underrepresented. Faith Deconstruction Is Not Bitterness—It’s Clarity Scot addresses the accusation that leaving high-control religion makes you “bitter.” Drawing on biblical stories (like Naomi in Ruth), he reframes bitterness as a justified and even holy reaction to harm—and a fuel for transformation. Cults Mirror American Systems of Power The episode draws strong parallels between cult dynamics and systemic issues in the U.S., including white supremacy, evangelical nationalism, and the cult of personality around political figures like Donald Trump. Telling the Truth Is a Radical Act Both hosts emphasize the importance of sharing honest, unvarnished stories to give future generations language and context for their own experiences—and to challenge whitewashed versions of history. The Tools Used to Indoctrinate Can Be Used to Liberate Scot talks about reclaiming the skills he developed in church—preaching, writing, public speaking—to critique the very systems that shaped him. Daniella echoes this with her own story, highlighting the healing power of storytelling. Cult Experiences Are Strikingly Universal While each cult has its own doctrine or dogma, the episode highlights the common traits—performance culture, black-and-white thinking, suppression of autonomy—that unite cult survivors across backgrounds. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Book Projects 03:26 Exploring Gender Perspectives in Cult Experiences 06:37 The Unraveling of Beliefs and Personal Reflection 09:27 The Role of Education in Leaving Cults 12:20 Writing as a Tool for Healing and Reflection 15:36 Navigating the Complexity of Cult Narratives 18:24 Confronting the Charge of Bitterness 21:17 The Power of Personal Stories in Cult Recovery 24:25 The Importance of Documenting Experiences for Future Generations 31:56 The Burden of Representation in Cults 35:18 Historical Narratives and Cultural Spin 39:56 The Roots of Pentecostalism and Racism 44:39 The Legacy of Racism in American Christianity 49:40 Cult of Personality vs. Cult of Ideas 56:11 The Current Political Climate and Its Cult-like Dynamics Produced by Haley Phillips

Summary In this episode, the hosts delve into the complex world of cults, focusing on the Satanic Panic and the influence of charismatic leaders like Franklin Jones. They explore the historical context of cults, the role of fear and control, and the lasting impact of cult experiences on individuals. Through personal stories and reflections, the conversation highlights the intricate dynamics of cults and their cultural significance. In this conversation, the participants explore the complexities of growing up in cult-like environments, the challenges of healing from trauma, and the nuances of personal identity shaped by these experiences. They discuss the importance of critical reflection on spiritual beliefs, the impact of family dynamics, and the struggle against misinformation and polarization in society. The dialogue emphasizes the need for understanding and compassion in navigating these difficult topics, while also recognizing the value of storytelling and fiction in processing and sharing their journeys. Scott’s (guest) Links:  Website Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Takeaways Cults often use fear as a tool for control. The Satanic Panic was a significant cultural phenomenon. Franklin Jones exemplified the charismatic cult leader. Historical parallels exist between past witch hunts and modern cults. Charisma plays a crucial role in attracting followers. Fear of the unknown drives many cult narratives. Cults can distort personal identities and experiences. The impact of cult upbringing can last a lifetime. Cultural context shapes the perception of cults. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background of Guests 03:16 Understanding the Satanic Panic 10:08 Cultural Reflections and Modern Parallels 12:55 The Role of Fear in Religious Contexts 17:26 The Impact of Fiction on Beliefs 23:01 Historical Context of Satanic Panic 30:02 Education, Critical Thinking, and the Binary Mindset 33:37 Escaping the World: A Discussion on Beliefs 34:06 The Illusion of Quick Fixes: Mastery Takes Time 36:15 The Heartbreak of Misguided Spiritual Practices 39:12 The Daily Struggle: Healing from Trauma 40:26 Faith vs. Fear: Understanding Belief Systems 41:22 The Power of Fiction: Engaging with Difficult Truths 43:57 Exploring Family Legacies: The Weight of Expectations 48:57 Navigating Polarization: Engaging with Contradictory Beliefs 50:51 Challenging Misinformation: The Role of Insiders 54:07 The Complexity of Good and Evil: A Nuanced Perspective 58:04 Cult Dynamics: The Influence of Upbringing on Beliefs 01:03:48 Caring for Aging Parents and Reflecting on the Past Produced by Haley Phillips

In this conversation, Daniella and Kasi explore the cult-like aspects of Starbucks, discussing Kasi's personal journey from barista to store manager and the emotional and psychological dynamics at play within the corporate structure. They delve into themes of recruitment, vulnerability, the illusion of family, leadership programs, and the impact of corporate culture on mental health. The discussion highlights the emotional manipulation and control exerted by organizations, drawing parallels to cult behavior and the sacrifices individuals make for their jobs. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Takeaways Starbucks had a significant impact on Kasi's formative years. Young adults are particularly vulnerable to corporate recruitment tactics. The fun environment at Starbucks was a major draw for Kasi. The concept of 'family' in corporations can be misleading. Leadership programs often serve the organization's needs more than the individual's. Emotional manipulation is prevalent in corporate events and culture. Mental health struggles can arise from high-demand work environments. Self-sabotage can occur when trying to maintain a positive image in a toxic environment. The deification of leaders can create a cult-like atmosphere in companies. Mourning the loss of belief in a caring organization is a common experience. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Starbucks Cultiness 02:31 Kasi's Journey with Starbucks 05:41 Recruitment and Vulnerability in Young Adults 10:56 The Illusion of Family and Loyalty 13:59 Leadership Programs and Organizational Control 19:46 The Echo Chamber of Corporate Culture 25:37 Influence of Recommended Reading and Ideology 27:54 The Cult of Education and Gratitude 29:46 Emotional Manipulation in High-Demand Organizations 32:20 Trauma and Recovery in Cult-like Environments 36:27 The Illusion of Trust and Loyalty 41:36 The Role of Emotional Evocation in Corporate Culture 45:26 The Cost of Self-Sacrifice in the Workplace 50:05 The Breaking Point: Mental Health and Organizational Pressure 55:35 Mourning the Loss of Belief in Organizations Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, host Scot Loyd and guest Jonathan Hirsch delve into the complexities of growing up in a cult-like environment, specifically under the influence of Franklin Jones. They explore the allure of charismatic leaders, the sacrifices made by children in these settings, and the long-term emotional impacts on individuals raised in such communities. Jonathan shares his personal journey, including the challenges of reconciling his upbringing with his current life, and the importance of understanding the experiences of cult kids. The conversation highlights the need for open discussions about the past and the recognition of the profound effects of parental choices on children. Jonathan's Links:  Podcast: Dear Franklin Jones Author Page  Audiobook: The Mind is Burning  Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Takeaways Growing up in a cult can shape one's identity. Charismatic leaders often create a sense of belonging. Children in cults face unique challenges and expectations. The evolution of a cult leader's ideology can be manipulative. Personal experiences in cults can lead to lifelong impacts. Understanding the past is crucial for healing. The importance of open dialogue about cult experiences. Parental choices in cults can lead to emotional sacrifices. Cult kids often inherit their parents' spiritual pursuits. There is a need for recognition and support for cult survivors. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Cults and Personal Stories 06:33 The Influence of Franklin Jones 12:33 The Evolution of a Cult Leader 18:20 Childhood in a Cult 24:22 The Impact of Cult Life on Identity 31:01 The Cult Baby Experience 33:53 Understanding Parental Sacrifice in Cults 40:00 The Impact of Spiritual Pursuits on Family Dynamics 49:58 Navigating Relationships with Cult Parents 52:54 Caring for Aging Parents and Reflecting on the Past Produced by Haley Phillips  

In this episode, Scott and Daniella engage with Brianna, who shares her profound journey through the world of yoga and her experiences at Yogaville, a yoga community that turned out to be more complex than it seemed. Brianna discusses her initial attraction to the community, the positive aspects she encountered, and the darker realities that unfolded over time, including manipulation, abuse, and the psychological toll of being involved in a cult-like environment. The conversation emphasizes the importance of trust, intuition, and the need for open discussions about both the good and bad experiences within such organizations. Briana's Podcast Surviving Satchidananda Haley's Tiktok @nuancedmasculinities Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Takeaways Brianna's journey began with a search for community and healing through yoga. Yogaville initially provided a sense of belonging and support for Brianna. Cults often exploit individuals during vulnerable times in their lives. Positive experiences in cults can make it difficult to recognize abuse. Secrecy and misinformation are common tactics used by cults to maintain control. Brianna experienced both joy and trauma during her time at Yogaville. Trusting one's intuition is crucial when something feels off. Cults can provide a sense of purpose but often at a significant cost. The psychological impact of cult involvement can be profound and long-lasting. Advocacy and sharing stories are essential for healing and awareness. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest 02:02 Brianna's Journey into Yoga and Yogaville 06:04 The Allure of Community and Spirituality 10:01 Unraveling the Dark Side of Yogaville 14:07 Experiences of Abuse and Control 20:02 The Struggle to Leave and Labor Exploitation 24:35 Control and Autonomy in Cults 28:44 Unraveling the Truth: Personal Experiences 32:44 The Role of Secrecy and Deception 39:29 Navigating Relationships After Leaving 41:04 Creating Awareness and Sharing Stories 42:45 Trusting Your Intuition and Finding Balance Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode, Scott Loyd and Daniela Mestyanek-Young engage in a deep conversation with Andi Wiseman about the nature of cults, particularly focusing on the military and Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). They explore the harmful aspects of 12-step programs, the intersection of addiction and systemic issues, and the importance of listening to survivors. The discussion highlights personal experiences with cult-like behavior in nonprofits and the need for a broader understanding of recovery beyond traditional frameworks. Andi's Links Website The Book: The Unsubtle Art of Unfucking Your Life Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Takeaways Cults can be found in various societal structures, including the military and AA. The 12-step model may not work for everyone and can be harmful. Recovery is a personal journey that can take many forms. Cults often manipulate vulnerable individuals seeking connection. The nonprofit sector can exhibit cult-like behaviors. Systemic issues contribute to addiction and recovery challenges. Listening to survivors is crucial for understanding the impact of cults. Secrecy in groups often hides harmful practices. Challenging the status quo is necessary for meaningful change. Individual action alone cannot solve systemic problems. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Cults and Group Behavior 03:01 Exploring the Definition of Cults 06:08 The Role of AA and Military in Cult Dynamics 08:59 The Harmful Impact of 12-Step Programs 11:59 Generational Trauma and Cult Influence 14:59 Personal Stories and Systemic Issues 18:04 Navigating Nonprofit Work and Cult-like Structures 20:52 The Intersection of Individual Action and Systemic Problems 29:42 Systemic Issues in Recovery 36:18 The Intersection of Faith and Recovery Programs 40:06 The Role of the State in Addiction Treatment 43:20 Cults and Coercive Control 49:04 Understanding Trauma and Recovery 55:02 Promoting Open Conversations about Recovery Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mesteneck Young engage in a profound conversation with Jack about the complexities of masculinity, the cultural constructs surrounding gender identity, and the emotional struggles faced by men in contemporary society. Jack shares his personal journey from a troubled upbringing to his work in men's circles, emphasizing the need for vulnerability, community, and a redefinition of masculinity that moves away from harmful stereotypes. The discussion explores the impact of societal expectations, the illusion of male superiority, and the importance of emotional expression and connection among men. Jack's Links:  Website: https://healthecycle.com/ TikTok: @watchfulcayote Youtube (His podcast is here) : @WatchfulCayote Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured   For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Takeaways Masculinity is often defined by societal constructs rather than biological factors. There is a significant difference between sex (male) and gender (man). Cultural influences shape our understanding of gender from a very young age. Parenting plays a crucial role in shaping children's perceptions of gender. Communication styles differ between boys and girls, often influenced by societal norms. The cult of masculinity imposes harmful expectations on men. Anger among men often stems from unmet societal promises and expectations. The narrative of male superiority is a damaging myth. Men often sacrifice their emotional health for societal expectations. Building healthy male communities is essential for emotional well-being. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Cult of Masculinity 02:11 Jack's Journey: From Trauma to Men's Work 04:03 Defining Masculinity: Sex vs. Gender 08:02 Cultural Influences on Gender Identity 11:34 Communication Styles: Boys vs. Girls 16:10 The Impact of Gendered Expectations 20:02 Navigating Masculinity in Modern Relationships 23:09 The Cult of Masculinity: Ideals and Influences 26:45 Angry White Male America: A Cultural Analysis 31:18 The Intersection of Politics and Masculinity 36:26 Understanding Privilege and Its Misconceptions 38:44 The Cult of Patriarchy and Its Promises 40:26 The Impact of White Supremacy on All Men 43:02 The Cost of Self-Sacrifice in Masculinity 50:11 Isolation and the Need for Male Community Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, host Scott Loyd and guest Daniela Mestenec Young engage in a deep conversation with Ben John about the self-help industry, misguided mentors, and the red flags associated with cult-like organizations. Ben shares his personal journey of being involved in a self-help group that he later recognized as a cult, discussing the tactics used by leaders to manipulate followers. The conversation explores the importance of discernment in seeking guidance, the emotional costs of leaving such groups, and the need for authenticity in personal growth. Ben emphasizes that true growth comes from within and that individuals should be wary of those who exploit vulnerabilities for profit.   Benjamin’s Links   Youtube Book   Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Takeaways The self-help industry is largely unregulated and can be predatory. Misguided mentors often use manipulation tactics to control their followers. Vulnerability can be weaponized by cult leaders to create dependency. Leaving a cult can result in significant emotional and relational costs. Authenticity in personal growth is crucial; individuals should trust their instincts. Red flags include leaders who discourage independent thinking. Community and belonging are powerful human desires that cults exploit. Self-help should not come at the cost of personal well-being. It's important to recognize the difference between ethical and unethical sales tactics. Personal transformation can attract predators, so caution is necessary.   Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guests 02:27 The Rise of Misguided Mentorship 06:30 The Cult of Self-Help and Masculinity 11:44 Red Flags in Self-Help Groups 17:33 The Illusion of Vulnerability 23:20 Identifying Ethical Mentorship 29:20 Conclusion and Final Thoughts 30:45 The Charismatic Leader Phenomenon 32:11 The Transformation into Villainy 33:06 Awareness and Advocacy Against Cults 34:22 Navigating the Fine Line of Influence 36:13 Understanding Group Behavior and Manipulation 38:19 Creating Ethical Sales Practices 39:45 The Journey of Deconstruction 42:31 Authenticity in Storytelling 44:33 The High Cost of Leaving Cults 49:49 Advice to My Younger Self 51:16 The Permission to Just Be   Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scott Loyd and Daniela Mesteneck Young engage in a profound conversation with Lydia Knight, who shares her harrowing experiences growing up in a cult. Lydia discusses the complexities of her upbringing, including themes of racism, the satanic panic, and the psychological impact of fear and control within cult dynamics. The conversation delves into the process of healing and deprogramming, the importance of reconnecting with family, and the empowerment that comes from leadership and coaching. Lydia's journey of transformation serves as an inspiring testament to resilience and the power of reclaiming one's narrative. Lydia's Links: https://theshecenter.org/ Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Takeaways Lydia Knight shares her experiences growing up in a cult. The concept of 'apocalypticizing' reflects societal fears. Racism and identity play significant roles in cult experiences. The satanic panic of the 80s influenced many cult narratives. Fear can create a false sense of comfort and community. The importance of questioning and seeking truth in cult dynamics. Healing from trauma involves deprogramming from harmful beliefs. Reconnecting with family can be a complex journey. Empowerment through leadership is crucial for women. Transforming trauma into a source of strength is possible. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Cult Experiences 03:25 Lydia Knight's Journey and Background 06:08 Racism and Identity in a Cult 09:21 The Impact of the Satanic Panic 12:00 The Role of Secret Knowledge in Cults 15:11 The Complexity of Abuse and Protection 18:02 Deconstructing Cult Beliefs and Systems 20:52 The Intersection of Personal and Societal Cultures 23:57 Reflections on Healing and Activism 31:17 The Creation of Fear and Control 32:46 Facing Fears and Planning for the Worst 36:29 Breaking Free from Past Programming 41:33 The Journey of Discovery and Truth 48:17 Confronting Lies and Seeking Proof 49:54 Reconnecting with Family and Healing 53:41 Transforming Trauma into Empowerment Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mesteneck Young explore the current political climate in the U.S. and its parallels to cult dynamics. They discuss the rise of cult mentality, the deification of leaders, and the implications of executive power. The conversation emphasizes the importance of community, collective action, and the role of art in resisting oppressive governance. The hosts encourage listeners to engage with their communities and resist fear-driven narratives, highlighting the need for resilience and creativity in challenging times. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/3V6GK6k / KnittingCultLady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Scot's TikTok @thescotloyd Takeaways The current political climate reflects cult-like dynamics. Fear is a tactic used by cult leaders to control. Deification of leaders leads to dangerous governance. Cults can be led by charismatic individuals or ideas. The military operates under a different cult dynamic than political cults. Executive power is expanding in ways that threaten democracy. Community engagement is crucial for resistance. Art and hobbies are vital during oppressive times. Panic is counterproductive; planning and action are essential. History teaches us that patterns repeat, but not exactly. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Cult Dynamics 03:38 The Current Political Climate and Cult Behavior 06:40 The Deification of Leaders 09:33 Cult Language and Tactics 12:44 Military Culture and Cult Dynamics 15:28 The Intersection of Politics and Military 18:38 The Role of Women in Military Cultures 21:36 Concluding Thoughts on Cults and Society 29:09 The Acceleration of Authoritarianism 31:33 The Resilience of American Democracy 34:32 The Dangers of Pendulum Politics 37:36 Historical Context and Future Concerns 40:40 The Impact of Governance on Global Relations 43:37 Strategies for Resilience and Resistance 47:06 Community and Collective Action 51:25 The Role of Hobbies in Times of Oppression

In this conversation, Daniella and Katie Keech explore the intersections of cult dynamics, mental health, and neurodiversity. They discuss the misdiagnosis of mental health disorders in cult survivors, the authoritarian nature of the DSM, and the importance of self-definition and community support. The conversation delves into the complexities of plurality, trauma, and identity, emphasizing the need for a nuanced understanding of these issues in a world that often seeks to categorize and control individuals. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/3V6GK6k / KnittingCultLady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Takeaways Many cult survivors are misdiagnosed with mental health disorders. The DSM can serve as a tool for control rather than understanding. Neurodivergent individuals often face unique challenges in cult environments. Self-diagnosis can empower individuals to understand their identities. Cults and fascist dynamics share similar control mechanisms. Community support is crucial for those navigating identity issues. Plurality is a valid identity that challenges traditional notions of self. Trauma impacts individuals differently, and not all trauma leads to DID. Cultural perspectives on identity can vary widely and influence understanding. The importance of flexibility in thought and understanding human behavior. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Cults and Mental Health 02:21 Misdiagnosis and Understanding DID 05:25 Neurodiversity and Cult Dynamics 10:03 Therapists and Cult-like Structures 12:02 The Ethics of Therapy and Self-Diagnosis 17:23 Exploring Plurality and Neurodivergence 31:10 The Illusion of Rationality 32:34 The Complexity of Human Emotions 34:47 Patriarchy and Cult Dynamics 36:42 Power Structures and Empathy 38:30 Community and Connection in Modern Society 41:17 Navigating Identity in a Changing World 43:42 The Dangers of Binary Thinking 45:43 The Impact of Control in Cults and Military 47:46 The Spectrum of Human Experience 49:27 Redefining Labels and Definitions 51:36 The Tactics of Control 53:24 The Role of Nuance in Understanding Cults 55:19 Evolving Perspectives in Mental Health Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mesteneck Young engage in a deep conversation with Scott Okamoto, who shares his journey from evangelical Christianity to questioning the very foundations of his beliefs. The discussion touches on themes of identity, race, and the struggles of belonging within high-control groups. They explore the dynamics of critical thinking versus apologetics in Christian education, the impact of the model minority myth, and the role of empathy in Christianity. Scott reflects on his experiences teaching at a Christian university and the challenges he faced while trying to foster a more inclusive environment. The conversation culminates in a discussion about the current state of Christianity and its intersection with social justice, as well as Scott's ongoing work in helping others navigate their own journeys out of high-control groups. Scott Okamoto's Links: Substack Podcast Book Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/3V6GK6k / KnittingCultLady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Takeaways Scott Okamoto shares his experience growing up in evangelical Christianity. The conversation highlights the struggles of identity and belonging in high-control groups. Critical thinking is often stifled in Christian education, replaced by apologetics. The model minority myth complicates the experiences of Asian Americans in evangelical spaces. Empathy is lacking in contemporary Christianity, as evidenced by recent teachings. Scott's journey out of evangelicalism was gradual, marked by many small realizations. Interpersonal relationships can be a significant barrier to leaving high-control groups. Scott's current work focuses on helping others navigate their experiences in Christian schools. The conversation draws parallels between cult dynamics and the tech industry. The hosts emphasize the importance of questioning and critical engagement in all areas of life. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Acknowledgment of Social Issues 01:55 Scott Okamoto's Journey in Evangelical Christianity 06:53 Struggles with Identity and Belonging 10:40 The Role of Argumentation in Cults and Christianity 15:13 Toxic Masculinity and Church Dynamics 18:24 Racial Dynamics in Christianity 23:44 The Model Minority Myth and Its Implications 30:03 Recognizing Our Place in the Movement 31:08 The Journey of Awakening 32:13 The Struggle with Faith and Reality 35:01 The Cop-Out of Prayer 36:28 The Politics of Panic 38:57 Interpersonal Relationships and Leaving the Church 40:05 Finding Community Beyond the Church 43:30 Empathy and the State of Christianity 44:44 The Podcast and the Book 52:41 The Cult of the Tech Industry Produced by Haley Phillips

In this episode, Scott Loyd and Daniella Mestyneck Young engage in a deep conversation with Taylor Marie, a mental health therapist and cult survivor. Taylor shares her experiences with an online cult, discussing the similarities between online and in-person cults, the recruitment tactics used, and the psychological manipulation involved. The conversation explores the dynamics of charismatic leadership, the exploitation of belonging and purpose, and the red flags that led to Taylor's eventual departure from the cult. The discussion also touches on the importance of healthy leadership and the potential for spiritual practices to exist without devolving into cult-like behavior. In this conversation, Taylor Marie shares her harrowing experience of being involved in a cult-like astrology group, detailing the emotional turmoil and moral conflicts she faced. She discusses the manipulative tactics of the cult leader, the fear of leaving, and the subsequent backlash she received after her departure. The conversation highlights the importance of questioning authority and the role of social media in exposing harmful groups. Taylor's journey of self-discovery and the impact on her family dynamics are also explored, culminating in a powerful narrative of resilience and personal growth. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/3V6GK6k / KnittingCultLady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Takeaways Taylor Marie is a mental health therapist specializing in narcissistic abuse and cult recovery. Online cults operate similarly to in-person cults, with differences mainly in communication. Recruitment often occurs through social media platforms like TikTok, using charisma and confidence. The sense of belonging is a powerful tool used by cults to maintain control over members. Charismatic leaders often exploit followers' desires for purpose and belonging. Red flags include isolation from outside information and constant negative comparisons to others in the field. Healthy leadership promotes free thinking and allows for questioning and disagreement. Cults often take credit for the successes of their members, creating a cycle of dependency. Leaving a cult can feel like a crisis, as one's worldview is challenged and dismantled. It is possible to lead in spiritual practices without coercion or manipulation. The breaking point often comes when personal values clash with group beliefs. Questioning authority can lead to significant personal revelations. Leaving a cult can involve emotional and legal repercussions. Social media can amplify voices and expose harmful practices. The aftermath of leaving a cult can affect family relationships. Cult leaders often manipulate their followers through fear and guilt. It's important to recognize the signs of cult-like behavior in groups. Personal growth often follows the questioning of long-held beliefs. The experience of leaving a cult can be isolating and traumatic. Support from family and friends is crucial during the exit process. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Cults and Online Communities 01:32 Defining Online Cults 05:11 The Evolution of Relationships in the Digital Age 07:19 Recruitment Tactics in Online Cults 10:18 The Dynamics of Charismatic Leadership 12:21 The Exploitation of Belonging and Purpose 14:24 Red Flags and Realizations 21:55 Healthy Leadership vs. Cult Leadership 28:21 The Crisis of Leaving a Cult 28:46 The Breaking Point: Values and Morals in Conflict 31:24 Questioning Authority: The Cult Leader's Influence 34:04 The Cost of Leaving: Emotional and Legal Retaliation 43:53 Going Viral: The Power of Social Media in Exposing Cults 50:17 The Aftermath: Family Dynamics and Public Scrutiny Produced by Haley Phillips

Content Warning: This episode includes descriptions of the abuse and torture of young children In this episode of 'Cults and the Culting of America', hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mestyanek Young engage in a profound discussion with Ali Davis about the complexities of childhood torture, the distinction between abuse and torture, and the societal implications of these issues. They explore personal stories of survival, the role of the judicial system, and the cultural influences that perpetuate cycles of violence. The conversation emphasizes the importance of education, recognition of trauma, and the need for societal change to protect vulnerable populations, particularly children. Connect with Ali Davis Website Haley's Fundraiser Click Here to donate to Haley's Go Fund me Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/3V6GK6k / KnittingCultLady Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Other Podcasts Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women Takeaways Conspiracies distract from real issues in society. Torture is a calculated act, unlike abuse. Judicial systems often fail to recognize torture. Survivors of childhood torture face unique challenges. Naming trauma helps survivors heal. Generational trauma affects parenting styles. Cultural norms can perpetuate violence against children. Education is crucial in breaking cycles of abuse. Survivors of color face additional barriers. Society must change its view on violence against children. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Conversation and Current Events 03:19 Understanding Conspiracies and Their Impact 06:21 Ali's Journey: From Survivor to Advocate 12:42 Defining Childhood Torture vs. Abuse 17:43 Personal Stories of Trauma and Healing 24:53 Steps Toward Healing and Advocacy 28:03 From Despair to Empowerment 29:23 Understanding Childhood Trauma 31:05 The Complexity of Abuse and Torture 33:59 Cultural Conditioning and Violence 39:57 The Military and Psychological Impact 40:55 The Ineffectiveness of Torture 45:24 The Culture of Violence in America 48:03 The Intersection of Race and Trauma 53:11 Breaking Generational Trauma 56:35 Creating New Paradigms for Parenting Produced by Haley Phillips