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“Leadership is a People Business.” That's the philosophy of this leadership podcast from Jon Rennie. It's real-world, actionable advice from Jon as well as his expert guests. As a former Cold War Submarine Officer who spent 22 years leading businesses in Corporate America before starting his own manufacturing business, he knows that leadership matters!
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Brave Leadership: How Courage, Not Comfort, Drives Results with Jill Schulman
Fear shows up quietly in leadership.
It delays decisions. Avoids hard conversations. Keeps talented people playing it safe.
In this episode of Deep Leadership, I’m joined by Jill Schulman, Marine Corps veteran, leadership consultant, and author of The Bravery Effect, to break down why courage—not comfort—is what actually drives results.
Jill shares how fear silently controls behavior at work, why avoiding discomfort makes leaders weaker (not happier), and how bravery can be trained like a muscle. Drawing from military leadership, positive psychology, and decades of executive work, she explains why doing hard things is essential for growth, confidence, and performance.
We talk about:
Why fear is one of the biggest hidden problems in leadership
The science behind bravery and why it’s a skill anyone can build
How avoiding discomfort fuels anxiety and poor decision-making
Why action—not confidence—creates courage
How leaders can build braver teams and cultures
Why “doing hard things” leads to better results and greater fulfillment
If you’re a leader who wants stronger performance, better decisions, and a team that doesn’t crumble under pressure, this conversation will challenge how you think about fear, comfort, and courage.
🎧 Listen in and learn why brave leadership starts with running toward the hard things—not away from them.
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What does leadership look like at the absolute highest level?
In this episode of Deep Leadership, I’m joined by Michael Giorgione, a retired U.S. Navy Rear Admiral who served as the Commander of Camp David, the secluded presidential retreat where some of the most important leadership decisions in history have taken place.
Michael takes us inside Camp David and shares what it’s really like to serve presidents up close. We talk about leadership under pressure, trust, humility, and what happens behind closed doors when world leaders step away from the spotlight. From hosting presidents and their families to supporting high-stakes diplomatic summits, Michael offers rare insights into how leaders think, build relationships, and rely on their teams when the stakes couldn’t be higher.
This conversation isn’t about politics. It’s about leadership, responsibility, and what it means to lead people well when there’s no room for failure.
If you’re interested in leadership, history, or how trust and character shape decision-making at the top, this episode is for you.
In this episode, we discuss:
What Camp David is really like behind the scenes
Leadership lessons learned from serving two U.S. presidents
Why trust and humility matter more than authority
How great leaders build relationships before a crisis hits
What leaders at every level can learn from Camp David
📘 Learn more about Michael’s book Inside Camp David
🌐 Visit his website for leadership speaking and coaching https://www.insidecampdavid.com/
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Presilience: A Leadership Framework for Thriving in Crisis and Uncertainty with Dr. Gavriel Schneider
In today’s volatile and uncertain world, resilience is no longer enough. Leaders must learn how to thrive before a crisis hits.
In this episode of Deep Leadership, I’m joined by Dr. Gavriel Schneider, an internationally recognized expert in security, risk intelligence, and leadership under pressure. Gav is the creator of the Presilience framework, a proactive approach to leadership that helps individuals and organizations turn disruption into opportunity.
We explore why traditional risk management and compliance models fall short in today’s VUCA environment, and what leaders must do differently to sustain high performance during uncertainty, disruption, and crisis. Gav shares real-world lessons from decades of advising governments, critical infrastructure, and global organizations, along with insights from psychology, decision-making, and high-performance leadership.
If you’re leading a team, running a business, or navigating constant change, this conversation will challenge how you think about resilience, risk, and leadership.
In this episode, we discuss:
What presilience is and why it matters now
The difference between surviving disruption and thriving through it
How leaders make better decisions under pressure
Why resilient organizations require resilient people
Turning risk into opportunity in a complex, digital world
Leading with confidence when certainty is gone
About today’s guest:
Dr. Gavriel Schneider is the CEO of the Risk2 Solution Group, a former program director in the psychology of risk, and the author of Presilience: How to Navigate Risk, Embrace Opportunity, and Build Resilience. He has trained thousands of professionals worldwide in crisis leadership, risk intelligence, and decision-making.
📘 Learn more about Presilience:
Links to Gav’s book, website, and resources are below.
https://risk2solution.com/
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How to Build Real Influence as a Leader with Brad Englert
How do leaders build real influence that lasts, not just connections that fade?
In this episode of Deep Leadership, I’m joined by Brad Englert, author of Spheres of Influence and former CIO at the University of Texas at Austin. Brad shares decades of leadership experience on how authentic relationships, not transactional networking, are the true foundation of influence, trust, and long-term success.
We talk about why most networking events fail, how leaders should think about their internal and external spheres of influence, and why trust must be built before a crisis hits. Brad also explains how getting out of your office, meeting people where they are, and genuinely caring about their success can transform your leadership and your career.
This conversation is packed with practical leadership lessons, real-world stories, and a simple message every leader needs to hear: real influence is earned through consistency, humility, and relationships that endure.
In this episode, we cover:
What real influence looks like in leadership
Internal vs. external spheres of influence
Why traditional networking doesn’t work
How trust and reciprocity are built over time
Leading with authenticity, care, and intention
You can learn more about Brad Englert, get a free sample of his book Spheres of Influence, and explore his work - https://bradenglert.com/podcast
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Unlocking Hidden Potential: The Leadership Shift That Transforms Teams
In this episode, Jon Rennie sits down with executive leader, entrepreneur, and author Ernesto Gomez to uncover why so many organizations operate far below their true capacity — and what leaders can do to change that. Drawing from 30+ years of experience in the food service and consumer goods industries, Ernesto shares practical insights on culture, mindset, and talent development that help unlock the hidden potential inside teams.
If you lead people, coach leaders, or want to build a high-performance culture, this conversation is full of ideas you can apply immediately.
You’ll learn:
• Why most teams only operate at about 50% of their potential
• The leadership shift from push to pull motivation
• How culture and mindset drive innovation and engagement
• What “talent density” means and why it matters
• Four keys to building high-performance teams
• How young leaders can grow and stand out in their careers
Ernesto’s new book Regrowth breaks down how organizations can overcome stalling by unlocking their people. It’s a powerful framework for leaders who want more creativity, ownership, and results from their teams.
📖 Get Ernesto’s book: Regrowth - https://amzn.to/44IpetS
🌐 Connect with Ernesto - https://aspenmindset1.com/
LinkedIn: Ernesto Gomez - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ernesto-g%C3%B3mez-arzapalo-8783ab43/
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Project Management Mistakes Leaders Make and How to Fix Them with Clint Padgett
In this episode, I’m joined by Clint Padgett, Navy veteran, accomplished CEO, best-selling author, and one of the most respected voices in project management today. Clint has spent more than 30 years helping global teams deliver high-stakes projects, from Coca-Cola’s Olympic activations to massive international initiatives across industries.
We break down the common project management mistakes leaders make — and more importantly, how to fix them. Clint explains why people avoid real conversations, how miscommunication derails timelines, and why shifting the “worry curve” is the secret to avoiding last-minute chaos. His insights on conflict, culture, accountability, and team ownership will change the way you think about leading complex work.
If you’ve ever wondered why your projects feel harder than they should, or why your team struggles with clarity and follow-through, this conversation will give you practical tools you can use immediately.
In this episode:
Why teams avoid conversations that matter
How small misunderstandings turn into major failures
The truth about conflict and why you need it
How to shift the “worry curve” and eliminate last-minute panic
Why people—not software—make or break your project
How leaders can build clarity, accountability, and commitment
Connect with Clint Padgett:
Project Success: https://www.projectsuccess.comClint Padgett: https://www.clintpadgett.com
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Self-Leadership: The Essential Strategy Most Leaders Forget
In this episode, I sit down with wellness pioneer and author Bija Bennett to explore a simple truth: you can’t lead others well if you’re not leading yourself. We talk about why so many leaders burn out, how constant digital noise disconnects us from our own thinking, and why slowing down isn’t indulgent—it’s strategic.
Bija shares powerful ideas on self-awareness, emotional clarity, and what she calls “analog wellness,” practical habits that help you stay grounded, focused, and effective for the long run.
If you’re feeling stretched thin or struggling to find space to think as a leader, this conversation will give you a fresh, much-needed reset.
Listen in and learn:• Why self-leadership drives long-term performance• How stillness and silence improve decision-making• Why awareness, not hustle, is a leader’s biggest advantage• How to break the burnout cycle and lead with clarity
Connect with Bija Bennett:
Bija Bennett's website -> https://www.bijab.com/
Bija Bennett on Instagram -> https://www.instagram.com/bijab/?hl=en
Bija Bennett on LinkedIn -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/bijabennett/
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Lead with Hospitality: The Secret to Inspiring People in Any Workplace with Taylor Scott
In this episode of Deep Leadership, I’m joined by leadership expert and author Taylor Scott, who spent more than twenty years inside top hospitality brands. His message is simple and powerful: great leaders make people feel welcome, comfortable, and important.
We break down the real meaning of leading with hospitality and why this mindset inspires teams in any workplace. Taylor shares stories from his career, the science behind emotional leadership, and the five core values that help leaders create a sense of belonging, trust, and genuine connection.
If you want to improve your leadership, build stronger teams, and influence people through humanness—not authority—this conversation is a must-listen.
In this episode you’ll learn:
Why hospitality is a leadership superpower
How to make people feel valued and inspired
The emotional skill every modern leader needs
How kindness and intentionality drive performance
Practical ways to bring humanity back into leadership
📘 Learn more about Taylor Scott:
leadwithhospitality.com - https://leadwithhospitality.com/
LinkedIn: Taylor Scott - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tscott1502/
Instagram: @TScott1502 - https://www.instagram.com/tscott1502/?hl=en
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Never Quit: How an Underdog Navy SEAL Redefined Mental Toughness
What does it take to push past pain, failure, and fear?
In this episode, former Navy SEAL David Brown shares his incredible journey from a 5'3", 110-pound kid from coal country to one of America’s elite warriors. Against all odds, David earned his Trident, served around the world, and went on to lead major federal investigations.
He opens up about the mindset that got him through SEAL training—twice—the lessons that shaped his resilience, and how to overcome life’s toughest battles. This is a raw, inspiring conversation about grit, mindset, and never giving up when the world says you can’t.
🎙️ In this episode:
The mental toughness behind Navy SEAL training
Why adversity doesn’t build character—it reveals it
How to stay focused when everything hurts
Lessons on perseverance, mindset, and leadership
📘 Learn more about David Brown and his book “And Goliath” at https://udtdave.com
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Leading in the Age of AI: The Human Advantage
The AI revolution isn’t just changing technology—it’s changing what it means to lead.
In this episode, Dr. Alfredo Borodowski joins me to explain why the future of leadership depends on our ability to stay human. We talk about AI-driven anxiety, how to build resilience in uncertain times, and why the most successful companies will be the ones that invest in people, not just technology.
Dr. Borodowski also shares his powerful insight on moving from a culture of fixing to a culture of nourishing—a mindset every modern leader needs to thrive in the age of AI.
🎙 In this episode, you’ll learn:
Why the AI revolution is a human challenge, not just a tech shift
How to help your team overcome fear and anxiety around AI
The four elements of psychological capital every leader should know
What it means to lead with strengths, purpose, and resilience
📘 Learn more about Dr. Alfredo Borodowski: https://positiveab.com
Text POSITIVE to 33777 to discover your top five character strengths.
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It’s our 400th episode of Deep Leadership! Thank you for listening and being part of this incredible journey.
In this milestone episode, Jon Rennie talks with Salvatore Manzi, a leadership communications coach and author of the #1 Amazon bestseller Clear and Compelling: Communication Strategies for Big Thinkers with Bold Ideas.
Salvatore shares how leaders, especially those with technical or analytical backgrounds, can turn complex ideas into messages that connect. He explains why metaphors move minds, how to use his “You, then Me” framework to build trust, and why introverts often make the best communicators once they learn to own the spotlight.
If you’ve ever struggled to make your message stick, this episode will help you communicate with clarity, confidence, and impact.
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🌐 Salvatore Manzi on LinkedIn
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Servant Leadership in Action: Lessons from Ken Blanchard with Martha Lawrence
What does it really mean to lead by serving others?
In this episode, Martha Lawrence—executive editor at Blanchard and co-author of Trust Works—shares personal stories from her 20+ years working alongside Ken Blanchard, the legendary author of The One Minute Manager.
We discuss:
How Ken Blanchard helped make servant leadership mainstream
Why catching people doing things right builds stronger cultures
The story behind The One Minute Manager and Blanchard’s global impact
What leading with love really looks like in practice
The surprising lessons from Ken’s early life and family
📘 Martha’s new book: Catch People Doing Things Right: How Ken Blanchard Changed the Way the World Leads
🌐 Learn more at kenblanchardbooks.com and marthalawrence.com
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Train to Lead: How to Build Leadership Strength Like an Athlete with Christian Muntean
Leadership isn’t something you’re born with—it’s something you train for.
In this episode, I talk with Christian Muntean, founder of Vantage Consulting and author of Train to Lead: A Proven 90-Day Guide to Building Leadership Strength. Christian’s clients have collectively grown their revenues by more than $500 million, all while improving their margins and freeing up their time.
We explore:
Why leadership should be developed like athletic strength
How repetition and structure build leadership “muscle memory”
The power of perspective in shaping team culture
Simple daily habits to grow as a leader
Why discomfort and accountability are key to leadership growth
Christian shares how any leader—new or experienced—can create a personal training plan to become stronger, more confident, and more effective.
📗 Learn more about Christian and his work: https://christianmuntean.com
📘 Get the book: Train to Lead
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Being Valuable Matters More Than Chasing Titles with Kash Rocheleau
In this episode of Deep Leadership, I’m joined by Kash Rocheleau, CEO of Icon Foods. Kash’s journey is remarkable—starting in accounting just six years ago and rising to the top leadership role of the company.
She shares powerful lessons on:
Why focusing on being valuable matters more than chasing titles
How curiosity and lifelong learning fueled her rapid growth
The importance of transparency and inclusion in leadership
Balancing people and results in building a successful organization
If you want practical, real-world leadership insights from someone who rose quickly to the CEO seat, this conversation will inspire you.
👉 Connect with Kash at iconfoods.com or on LinkedIn.
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What if the key to engagement and loyalty comes down to just five promises?
In this episode of Deep Leadership, Dr. Roger Gerard explains how leaders can:
Prevent burnout by treating people as professionals, not commodities
Build authentic trust that fuels performance
Avoid the “cynics, apathetics, and naysayers” trap
Keep teams motivated with five simple but powerful commitments
Roger is an author, consultant, and keynote speaker who has spent decades guiding leaders toward authentic, people-focused leadership. If you want to strengthen your culture and earn the loyalty of your team, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss.
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Show resources:
rogergerard.com
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In this episode of Deep Leadership, I talk with Dr. Britt Yamamoto — educator, entrepreneur, and author of The Soil of Leadership and The Hyaksho Way.
Britt introduces the idea of soil-based leadership, a powerful metaphor drawn from farming that shifts focus from short-term results to cultivating healthy conditions for long-term employee growth. We discuss:
Why many leadership “fixes” fail when the cultural soil is depleted
How to remediate and regenerate an organization’s culture
The importance of story before strategy
Why well-being must be central to leadership in today’s world
If you’ve ever faced burnout, apathy, or disengagement on your team, this conversation will give you a whole new way of thinking about leadership.
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Show resources:
Thesoilofleadership.org
Perennial.org
The Soil of Leadership Book
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What if your workplace was a place people actually wanted to be?
In this episode, I’m joined by Matt Tenney, entrepreneur, speaker, and author of Inspire Greatness: How to Motivate Employees with a Simple, Repeatable, Scalable Process. Matt’s TED Talk has been viewed over a million times, and he has helped leaders at organizations such as Salesforce, Marriott, and United Airlines build engaged, high-performing teams.
We talk about:
Why traditional performance reviews fail employees and leaders alike
How to shift from being a boss to being a coach
The secret to building accountability and engagement
Why love should be a leader’s top priority
Practical steps to create workplaces people actually love
👉 If you’re serious about improving your company culture and inspiring greatness in your team, this conversation is for you.
Show resources:
matttenney.com
peoplethriver.com
Matt Tenney’s TED Talk
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In this episode of Deep Leadership, we’re discussing Inspiring Leadership for Today’s Changing Workplace. I sit down with Dr. Matt Poepsel, Marine Corps veteran, author of Expand the Circle: Enlightened Leadership for Our New World of Work, and leadership expert.
We talk about:
The lessons the military teaches about balancing mission and people
Why outdated leadership models no longer work in today’s workplace
How younger generations are reshaping what leadership looks like
The role of fear, ego, and selflessness in becoming a truly great leader
Practical steps leaders can take to inspire trust, foster belonging, and prepare for the future of work
If you’ve ever wondered how to connect with your team, lead with purpose, and thrive in a rapidly changing world, this episode is packed with insights you don’t want to miss.
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Show resources:
Dr. Matt Poepsel on LinkedIn
mattpoepsel.com
Expand the Circle Book
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Are you leading on autopilot? In this episode of Deep Leadership, Scott Burgmeyer joins me to explain why so many leaders fall into the trap of shallow thinking — and how to break free.
We discuss:
Why autopilot decision-making holds leaders back
The hidden personas that drive shallow thinking
A simple model to help you reflect, think deeper, and lead with clarity
How leaders can challenge themselves and their teams to grow
🎧 Episode Title: Deep Thinking: The Secret to Better Leadership
If you want to move beyond surface-level problem-solving and lead with greater insight, this conversation is for you.
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Show resources:
Think: The Road Less Traveled Book
Become More Website
Scott Burgmeyer on LinkedIn
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Today, I’m joined by Dr. Sylvia Rohde-Liebenau, and we’re discussing the subject of Unlocking Authentic Leadership. Sylvia is a senior executive coach with 30 years of experience, who helps C-Suite leaders, entrepreneurs, and change-makers thrive in today’s complex and fast-moving world. She is the founder of the SMART Power method, a groundbreaking approach for succeeding in complexity, with greater impact and ease. Her clients have included UNHCR, European Central Bank, Allianz Global Investors, Red Cross, and Amazon. She is also the author of the bestselling book Who’s In Charge?: Lead with Real
Power and Create an Impact in a Chaotic World. In this book, Sylvia helps leaders become more resilient and powerful, combining success with fulfillment. I’m excited to have her on the show to learn more about Unlocking Authentic Leadership.
Show resources:
Who’s In Charge? Book
Smartpowermethod.com
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