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Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? ​​My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.

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What does it mean to empower women politically in a context in which the dominant party is engaged in democratic backsliding or other forms of illiberal and exclusionary politics? Would you still want more women to be part of that party?Saskia BrechenmacherAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduMade in partnership with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Learn more at https://carnegieendowment.orgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Saskia Brechenmacher is a fellow in Carnegie’s Democracy, Conflict, and Governance Program. Recently, she coauthored a new book with Katherine Mann called Aiding Empowerment: Democracy Promotion and Gender Equality in Politics.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Democracy Promotion and Gender Equality - 3:13Gender Quotas - 12:38Challenges - 28:12New Ideas and Issues - 44:53Key LinksAiding Empowerment: Democracy Promotion and Gender Equality in Politics by Saskia Brechenmacher and Katherine MannLearn more about Saskia Brechenmacher at the Carnegie EndowmentFollow Saskia Brechenmacher on X @SaskiaBrechDemocracy Paradox PodcastMarc Plattner Has Quite a Bit to Say About DemocracyLarry Diamond on Supporting Democracy in the World and at HomeMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
We have to reconstruct the foundations of our democracy, building on the past, not repudiating everything we're building on it.Bruce AckermanAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduSponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Learn more at https://carnegieendowment.orgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Bruce Ackerman is the Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale. He is well known as a legal scholar and a political philosopher. His most recent book is The Postmodern Predicament: Existential Challenges of the Twenty-First Century.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Modernity - 2:37Postmodernism - 15:26Deliberation Day - 36:08Rethinking Modernity - 43:28Key LinksThe Postmodern Predicament: Existential Challenges of the Twenty-First Century by Bruce AckermanLearn more about Bruce Ackerman on WikipediaFollow Bruce Ackerman on X @backermanyaleDemocracy Paradox PodcastYascha Mounk Warns Against a Misguided New IdeologyZizi Papacharissi Dreams of What Comes After DemocracyMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
We thought we were strengthening the militaries in the Cold War. In fact, the political effects of those strengthened militaries ended up leading to a longer-term deterioration and instability.Adam CaseyAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduSponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Learn more at https://carnegieendowment.orgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Adam E. Casey is an analyst in the United States government. He wrote Up in Arms: How Military Aid Stabilizes―and Destabilizes―Foreign Autocrats while he was a research fellow at the Weiser Center for Emerging Democracies at the University of Michigan. All the content in the book and this interview reflects the views of the author and does not reflect the position of any US government agency or department, nor does it assert or imply US government authentication of information or endorsement of the author's views.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Why Military Aid Destabilizes Some Autocrats - 4:23The Soviet Approach to Military Aid - 21:50Revolutionary Governments - 29:09Modernization - 35:57Key LinksUp in Arms: How Military Aid Stabilizes―and Destabilizes―Foreign Autocrats by Adam Casey"The Origins of Military Supremacy in Dictatorships," by Dan Slater Lucan A. Way Jean Lachapelle and Adam E. Casey in Journal of Democracy.Follow Adam Casey on X @adam_e_caseyDemocracy Paradox PodcastAfter a Coup, Can the Constitutional Order Be Repaired? Adem Abebe on Rebuilding Constitutions in West AfricaNaunihal Singh on the Myth of the Coup ContagionMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
We have to care more about truth than tribe. We have to care more about each other than about profit.Barbara McQuadeThis episode was made in partnership with the Andrea Mitchell Center for the Study of DemocracyAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduSponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Learn more at https://carnegieendowment.orgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Barbara McQuade is a professor from practice at the University of Michigan Law School. She is also a legal analyst for NBC News and MSNBC, and a co-host of the podcast #SistersInLaw. Her new book Attack from Within: How Disinformation is Sabotaging America.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Propaganda Today - 3:05Disinformation and Polarization - 19:57Free Speech - 24:29Attack from Within - 37:14Key LinksAttack from Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America by Barbara McQuadeLearn more about Barbara McQuadeFollow Barbara McQuade on X @BarbMcQuadeDemocracy Paradox PodcastPeter Pomerantsev on Winning an Information WarSamuel Woolley on Bots, Artificial Intelligence, and Digital PropagandaMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
Whoever you vote for, Biden or Trump at this point, you are voting for a radically different vision of American foreign policy.Alexander WardAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduSponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Learn more at https://carnegieendowment.orgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Alexander Ward is a national security reporter at Politico and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He is also the author of the book The Internationalists: The Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy after Trump.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20A Foreign Policy for the Middle Class - 2:47Crises - 20:13Ukraine - 27:56The Grade - 40:32Key LinksThe Internationalists: The Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy after Trump by Alexander WardLearn more about Alexander WardFollow Alexander Ward on X @alexbwardDemocracy Paradox PodcastCan America Fight Back Against the Authoritarian Economic Statecraft of China? Bethany Allen Believes We CanLarry Diamond on Supporting Democracy in the World and at HomeMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
All this stuff about half of America just won't listen to this. You're just not trying. You're just not trying. I fear in America people don't try to reach people in echo chambers.Peter PomerantsevAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduSponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Learn more at https://carnegieendowment.orgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Peter Pomerantsev is a Senior Fellow at Johns Hopkins University where he co-directs the Arena Initiative. His past books include Nothing is True and Everything is Possible and This is Not Propaganda. His most recent book is called How to Win an Information War: The Propagandist Who Outwitted Hitler.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Sefton Delmer - 3:37Der Chef - 11:34Communication and Propaganda - 25:27Winning an Information War - 37:45Key LinksHow to Win an Information War: The Propagandist Who Outwitted Hitler by Peter PomerantsevThis Is Not Propaganda: Adventures in the War Against Reality by Peter PomerantsevFollow Peter Pomerantsev on X @peterpomeranzevDemocracy Paradox PodcastSamuel Woolley on Bots, Artificial Intelligence, and Digital PropagandaAllie Funk of Freedom House Assesses Global Internet FreedomMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
Without an elected government, without a government that truly represents... a lot of things are imperiled - rights, democracy, freedom, certainly peace. I think that's another kind of challenge as we go into this year of widespread elections. It's not just about preserving democracy. It's also laying the foundation for peace.Yana GorokhovskaiaAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduSponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Learn more at https://carnegieendowment.orgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Yana Gorokhovskaia is the Research Director at Freedom House and one of the lead authors of this year’s Freedom in the World report titled, The Mounting Damage of Flawed Elections and Armed Conflict.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Nagorno-Karabakh - 2:15Gaza and Israel - 7:46Freedom in Decline - 13:18Autocratic Elections - 35:43Key LinksFreedom in the World 2024: The Mounting Damage of Flawed Elections and Armed ConflictFreedom on the Net 2023: The Repressive Power of Artificial IntelligenceFollow Freedom House on X @freedomhouseDemocracy Paradox PodcastStaffan Lindberg with a Report on Democracy in the WorldSarah Repucci from Freedom House with an Update on Freedom in the WorldMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
As a writer I had the space to try to humanize him without sanitizing him. That was my mission: to try to see the world from behind his eyes in order to explain his otherwise inexplicable behavior.Steve CollAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduRead Justin Kempf's essay "The Revolution Will Be Podcasted."A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Steve Coll is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who has served as President and CEO of New America and the Dean of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. He is currently a staff writer at The New Yorker. His most recent book is The Achilles’ Trap: Saddam Hussein, the CIA, and the Origins of America’s Invasion of Iraq.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Saddam Hussein - 2:56Iran-Iraq War - 10:22WMD - 27:062003 American Invasion - 46:03Key LinksThe Achilles’ Trap: Saddam Hussein, the CIA, and the Origins of America’s Invasion of Iraq by Steve Coll“How Iraq was Lost” by Robert Kaplan in The New Statesman (Book Review of The Achilles' Trap)Read more from Steve Coll at The New YorkerDemocracy Paradox PodcastRobert Kaplan on the Politics of the Past and Future of the Greater Middle EastSteven Simon on American Foreign Policy in the Middle East including Iran and the Wars in IraqMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
Written into the DNA of American immigration policy, which we tend to regard as a kind of domestic policy - and which in many ways it is - has to do with US foreign policy.Jonathan BlitzerThis episode was made in partnership with the Andrea Mitchell Center for the Study of Democracy.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Read Justin Kempf's essay "The Revolution Will Be Podcasted."A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Jonathan Blitzer is a staff writer at The New Yorker. He won a 2017 National Award for Education Reporting for “American Studies,” a story about an underground school for undocumented immigrants. His writing and reporting have also appeared in the New York Times, The Atlantic, The Atavist, Oxford American, and The Nation. He is an Emerson Fellow at New America. His most recent book is Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here: The United States, Central America, and the Making of a Crisis.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Personal Experiences - 3:12Immigration and Foreign Policy - 12:25Migration as a Crisis - 31:20Bukele and El Salvador Today - 46:26Key LinksEveryone Who Is Gone Is Here: The United States, Central America, and the Making of a Crisis by Jonathan Blitzer“Do I Have to Come Here Injured or Dead?” by Jonathan Blitzer in The New YorkerFollow Jonathan Blitzer on X @JonathanBlitzerDemocracy Paradox PodcastRachel Schwartz on How Guatemala Rose Up Against Democratic BackslidingJoseph Wright and Abel Escribà-Folch on Migration’s Potential to Topple DictatorshipsMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
I think a powerful surveillance apparatus will continue to be a major obstacle to the development of democratic forces, but it will not be the decisive factor.Minxin PeiProudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Read Justin Kempf's essay "The Revolution Will Be Podcasted."A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Minxin Pei is the Tom and Margot Pritzker ’72 Professor of Government and George R. Roberts Fellow at Claremont McKenna College. His most recent book is The Sentinel State: Surveillance and the Survival of Dictatorship in China.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20What is a Surveillance State - 2:55Informants - 12:02History - 23:43Surveillance and Elites - 35:26Key LinksThe Sentinel State: Surveillance and the Survival of Dictatorship in China by Minxin Pei"Why China Can’t Export Its Model of Surveillance" by Minxin Pei in Foreign Affairs"Totalitarianism’s Long Shadow" by Minxin Pei in Journal of DemocracyDemocracy Paradox PodcastJosh Chin on China’s Surveillance StateDeng Xiaoping is Not Who You Think He is. Joseph Torigian on Leadership Transitions in China and the Soviet UnionMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
As democracy promoters, we also need to pay a lot of attention to the material needs of people... When these material needs are not satisfied, people will be more willing to give nondemocratic forms a chance.Adem AbebeThis episode was made in partnership with the Constitution Building Programme at International IDEAAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduRead Justin Kempf's essay "The Revolution Will Be Podcasted."A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Adem Abebe is a senior advisor on constitution-building processes at International IDEA. He supports transitions from conflict and authoritarianism to peace and democracy, generates cutting edge knowledge, convenes platforms for dialogue and advocates for change. Adem is also Vice President of the African Network of Constitutional Lawyers, which promotes democratic constitutionalism across the continent.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Why Military Coups Happen - 4:05Holding Back Political Institutions - 19:23Restoring Constitutional Order - 34:31The Role of Constitutions - 48:54Key LinksFollow Adem Abebe on X @AdamAbebeLearn more about International IDEALearn about the Constitution-Building Programme at International IDEA at Constitutionnet.org Democracy Paradox PodcastCan Poland Repair its Constitutional Democracy? Tomás Daly Believes it CanMarcela Rios Tobar on the Failed Constitutional Process in ChileMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
Poland will be showing us the endless ingenuity of constitutional thinkers who are genuinely committed to democracy in its many forms.Tomás DalyThis episode was made in partnership with the Constitution Building Programme at International IDEAAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduRead Justin Kempf's essay "The Revolution Will Be Podcasted."A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Tomás Daly is a Professor at Melbourne Law School and Director of the Democratic Decay & Renewal (DEM-DEC) platform at www.democratic-decay.org. His new project on ‘constitutional repair’ addresses a pressing question: how can a democracy be repaired after being deeply degraded, but not ended, during a period of anti-democratic government?Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20What is Constitutional Repair? - 3:48Poland and its Constitutional Damage - 7:36Constitutional Repair in Poland - 20:06Avoiding Democratic Backsliding - 40:12Key LinksConstitutional Repair: A Comparative Theory by Tomás DalyFollow Tomás Daly on X @democracytalkLearn more about International IDEALearn about the Constitution-Building Programme at International IDEA at Constitutionnet.org Democracy Paradox PodcastKurt Weyland on the Resilience of DemocracyHow Can Democracy Survive in an Age of Discontent? Rachel Navarre and Matthew Rhodes-Purdy on Populism and Political ExtremismMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
I think his heart is in the right place. I've talked to him about these things. He's very sensitive to the judgment of history. He knows that. Ukraine has been fighting since long before he became president to be an independent sovereign democracy with freedom of speech.Simon ShusterProudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Read Justin Kempf's essay "The Revolution Will Be Podcasted."Simon Shuster is a staff writer for Time magazine who covers politics in Ukraine and Russia. His new book is called The Showman: Inside the Invasion That Shook the World and Made a Leader of Volodymyr Zelensky.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20The Early Zelensky - 3:30Wartime President - 19:16Politics in Wartime Ukraine - 33:59Democracy in Ukraine - 36:18Key LinksThe Showman: Inside the Invasion that Shook the World and Made a Leader of Volodymyr Zelensky by Simon Shuster"Where Zelensky Comes From" by Simon Shuster in TimeFollow Simon Shuster on X @shustryDemocracy Paradox PodcastSerhii Plokhy on the Russo-Ukrainian WarOlga Onuch and Henry Hale Describe the Zelensky EffectMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
When politics has to solve the problems that it has caused, how can politics do that?Marcela Rios TobarThis episode was made in partnership with the Constitution Building Programme at International IDEA Proudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Marcela Rios Tobar is the Director for Latin America and the Caribbean at International IDEA. From March 2022 until January 2023 she served as the Minister of Justice and Human Rights in Chile under Gabriel Boric.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:20Background - 3:40The Draft Constitutions - 18:04Lost Opportunity? 35:11Exceptional or Harbinger - 46:55Key LinksLearn more about International IDEALearn about the Constitution-Building Programme at International IDEA at Constitutionnet.org Read more about Chile's constitutional journeyDemocracy Paradox PodcastJennifer Piscopo on the Constitutional Chaos in ChileAldo Madariaga on Neoliberalism, Democratic Deficits, and ChileMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
Populist leaders want polarization. They start polarization. They confront. Kurt WeylandProudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.eduAccess Episodes Ad-Free on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Kurt Weyland is the Mike Hogg Professor in Liberal Arts. He has written many books. His most recent is Democracy's Resilience to Populism's Threat: Countering Global Alarmism. He has also authored the article "Why Democracy Survives Populism" in the Journal of Democracy.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:45Democratic Breakdown in Peru - 2:56The Populist Threat - 18:46Institutional Strength - 25:19Countering Global Alarmism - 46:19Key Links"Why Democracy Survives Populism" by Kurt Weyland in Journal of DemocracyDemocracy's Resilience to Populism's Threat: Countering Global Alarmism by Kurt WeylandAssault on Democracy: Communism, Fascism, and Authoritarianism During the Interwar Years by Kurt WeylandDemocracy Paradox PodcastKurt Weyland Distinguishes Between Fascism and AuthoritarianismJason Brownlee Believes We Underestimate Democratic ResilienceMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
That's the point here. It's not there yet. But if electorally the BJP keeps winning, this is a prospect that must be faced.Ashutosh VarshneyProudly sponsored by the Kellogg Institute for International Studies. Learn more at https://kellogg.nd.edu Listen ad-free for just a $5/month on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Ashutosh Varshney is the Sol Goldman Professor of International Studies and the Social Sciences at Brown University. He is the author of many books and papers on India and its politics. His most recent article (coauthored with Connor Staggs), published in Journal of Democracy, is "Hindu Nationalism and the New Jim Crow."Key HighlightsIntroduction - 1:31Hindu Nationalism - 3:48Jim Crow and India - 12:08Vigilantism - 23:53Solutions - 34:46Key Links"Hindu Nationalism and the New Jim Crow" by Ashutosh Varshney and Connor Staggs in Journal of Democracy"India’s Democracy at 70: Growth, Inequality, and Nationalism" by Ashutosh Varshney in Journal of DemocracyFollow Ashutosh Varshney on X @ProfVarshneyDemocracy Paradox PodcastAshutosh Varshney on India. Democracy in Hard PlacesIs India Still a Democracy? Rahul Verma Emphatically Says YesMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show
What we really need to do is recommit to the idea that this is difficult, it is valuable, and in order to keep this valuable, difficult thing going, we need to basically pay the cost of educating ourselves, educating the next generation, the background knowledge and skills that citizens need if they are to continue to govern themselves...Josiah OberSupport the podcast on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Josiah Ober is a Professor of Classics and Political Science at Stanford University and a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is the coauthor, along with Brook Manville, of The Civic Bargain: How Democracy Survives.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:49What is Democracy? 3:15Conditions and Constraints - 20:17Classical Democracy - 24:26Future of Democracy - 39:21Key LinksThe Civic Bargain: How Democracy Survives by Brook Manville and Josiah OberDemopolis: Democracy before Liberalism in Theory and Practice by Josiah OberLean more about Josiah OberDemocracy Paradox PodcastHow Can Democracy Survive in an Age of Discontent? Rachel Navarre and Matthew Rhodes-Purdy on Populism and Political ExtremismMarc Plattner Has Quite a Bit to Say About DemocracyMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show
If these Islamist organizations want to stay in these contexts and keep playing the democratic game, they need to commit to the democratic game in the longer run.Sebnem GumuscuSupport the podcast on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Sebnem Gumuscu is an associate professor of political science at Middlebury College and the author of Democracy or Authoritarianism: Islamist Governments in Turkey, Egypt, and Tunisia.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:31What is Islamism - 2:48Liberal and Electoralists - 19:23Role of Elites - 35:16Islamism in the Long Run - 37:09Key LinksDemocracy or Authoritarianism: Islamist Governments in Turkey, Egypt, and Tunisia by Sebnem Gumuscu"How Erdoğan’s Populism Won Again'" by Sebnem Gumuscu and Berk EsenFollow Sebnem Gumuscu on X @sebnemisbackDemocracy Paradox PodcastBerk Esen and Sebnem Gumuscu on the Disappointing Elections in Turkey… or How Democratic (or Autocratic) is Turkey Really?Shadi Hamid on Democracy, Liberalism, and the Middle EastMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show
In the past 26 years, to this day, there has not been one major Hollywood production that has gone against a major Chinese Communist Party red line. Not one. Twenty-six years of silence.Bethany AllenSupport the podcast on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Bethany Allen is the China reporter at Axios and the author of Beijing Rules: How China Weaponized Its Economy to Confront the World.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:48The Authoritarian Economic Statecraft of China - 3:32Trump Administration and China Policy - 22:24Another Cold War -  34:26American Options for Response - 48:16Key LinksBeijing Rules: How China Weaponized Its Economy to Confront the World by Bethany Allen"Zoom closed account of U.S.-based Chinese activist 'to comply with local law'" by Bethany AllenFollow Bethany Allen on X @BethanyAllenEbrDemocracy Paradox PodcastHal Brands Thinks China is a Declining Power… Here’s Why that’s a ProblemJosh Chin on China’s Surveillance StateMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show
If we're thinking about democracy as something broader that is producing equality, justice or these kind of things, often those policies that we might describe as democratic policies can emerge from processes that are undemocratic. I think that's uncomfortable for us to think about.Katlyn CarterSupport the podcast on PatreonMake a one-time Donation to Democracy Paradox.A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.Katlyn Carter is an assistant professor of history at Notre Dame University. She is the author of Democracy in Darkness: Secrecy and Transparency in the Age of Revolutions.Key HighlightsIntroduction - 0:41The Birth of Republics - 3:10Publicity - 19:23Spectacle - 26:43Representation - 35:43Key LinksDemocracy in Darkness: Secrecy and Transparency in the Age of Revolutions by Katlyn CarterKatlyn Carter on My History Can Beat Up Your PoliticsLearn more about Katlyn CarterDemocracy Paradox PodcastHeather Cox Richardson on History, Conservatism, and the Awakening of American DemocracyDaniel Ziblatt on American Democracy, the Republican Party, and the Tyranny of the MinorityMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadox, Facebook, Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show
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Feb 9th
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ncooty

I think you completely misunderstood Sunstein's point about interpretation vs. amendment. He was saying that people with different methods of Constitutional interpretation can always say that the resulting decisions from other methods (with his proviso thst there needs to be a discernible theory of interpretation) are wrong and should have been achieved via amendment rather than via interpretation. So, as he said, the answer to your question always depends on one's theory of interpretation.

Jan 14th
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ncooty

The guest's use of and adherence to definitions really helped structure and clarify the conversation. It's nice when people seem to know what they mean. :)

Jan 13th
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ncooty

For my part, I'd have appreciated definitions of democracy and populism, in particular. The guest seemed to be using vague notions that might have implied either circularity or irrelevance (i.e., using words in ways people don't mean them). I view democracy as a theory (or assertion) only about the legitimacy or root power of a system of governance. It is not an operational structure. Populism seems like a mere mechanism. Again, though, the meaning of "populism" was very unclear/ imprecise.

Jan 13th
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ncooty

Minor note: You're misusing "begs the question" when you mean "raises the question." To beg the question is to commit the logical fallacy of assuming the conclusion.

Jan 13th
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ncooty

Great discussion.

Jan 8th
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ncooty

Enjoyed the discussion, but didn't quite understand the added value of the Jim Crow analogy. I.e., how does the comparison help Indians or others chart a better way forward?

Jan 4th
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ncooty

You were firing on all cylinders in this one, Justin. Great guest, great questions. There were questions I wish you'd asked, but none that I thought were weak or superfluous, so I think it'd be great to have additional conversations with this guest. Great job; I really appreciated this one.

Dec 23rd
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ncooty

As with all politicians, Cenk does a good job of casting cynicism as earnestness. It's hard to tell what he actually thinks versus what he thinks is expedient to say. Several of his responses were either garbled or incoherent, but he talked long enough to distract from the question.

Dec 16th
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ncooty

Great conversation; easy to see why you value it. Having worked on governance issues in the Philippines, including on Mindanao (including Davao and Bangsamoro), I sympathize with the pain in her voice. Watching Filipinos endure Duterte's administration was like watching a friend live through an abusive relationship. Unfortunately, that seems unlikely to change. The religiously conservative culture and weak institutions predispose many areas to honor culture, patronage systems, & local tyrants.

Dec 15th
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ncooty

As is typical in discussions of "leadership", it was insufficiently defined. Ironically, the concept of leadership benefits from the same hollow charisma and old-money cachet that benefits so many ordained "leaders". Here, the concept was conflated with influence, virtue, followership, success, etc., such that it was internally inconsistent. The label selects on dependent variables and shifts the focus from institutions to individuals. Changing the rules changes the champions.

Dec 14th
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ncooty

Another great discussion.

Dec 12th
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ncooty

Great conversation. I really appreciated the questions that challenged some of the rationale. Those help clarify the case and show its strengths and limitations.

Dec 12th
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Pablo Tercero

Bland take on democracy and world politics. If you like caressing youself and your leaders endlessly, this interview (and probably this whole show) is for you.

Aug 9th
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Brandon Miles

Eesh. Not sure how this podcast got in my subs, that happens quite often where this app will just subscribe me to random BS but this is a bit too far. The irony of the author talking about Russian and Chinese misinformation while glorifying the number one purveyor of misinformation in the world, the US government and the media that prop up its crimes as some noble quest for "democracy" which it has never experienced a day in its war-torn life.

Dec 20th
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ncooty

I really enjoyed this conversation. One criticism: @12:41: You referred to "decolonizing" the literature via inclusion of local people's perspectives. Obviously, those perspectives are relevant and truly need and deserve consideration--particularly in the rare instances when research informs governance--but "decolonization" is a terrible word choice with large amounts of unnecessary and inaccurate baggage. You seem to insinuate that a colonial perspective is necessarily inherent in a researcher's nationality or ethnicity rather than a mindset. Colonialism is a point of view, not a skin tone or home address. Similarly, it implies that local people are rarely or never complicit in colonialism. Both of those are simply wrong, though they do reflect the fashionable nonsense of identity politics and a celebration of victimhood (real or concocted) that provides a sort of race-based culpability or exoneration that alludes to the idea of "noble savages". It's a flippant ad hominem that d

May 14th
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ncooty

Great episode. Very glad you chose to give it a looser structure and let the conversation flow.

Apr 28th
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ncooty

This was a miss for me. The topic was interesting, but the guest offered exceedingly poor evidence and rationale for his opinions. I think it would have helped for him to define his terms first, because he seemed to have a rather loose and fluctuating notion of the definitional criteria of revolutions. E.g., need they aim for regime change or does policy change suffice? How does he differentiate between demonstrations, movements, coups, revolts, etc.? Moreover, he seemed to have little appreciation for epistemological progression or methodological rigor. Rather than starting with (i) a specific description of phenomena and building an evidentiary basis for (ii) prediction from which to assert (iii) explanatory theories, subject to clear means of falsification, he seemed instead to leap straight to explanations. For example, @10:17+, he described selecting on the dependent variable, and indeed you followed up by compounding that over-interpretation (re: the causal influence of prop

Apr 16th
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ncooty

Justin, I just listened to a podcast that brought you to mind and thought I'd pass it along. It was episode 486 of the 99% Invisible podcast (which focuses on design), in which they rebroadcast an episode from the Rumble Strip podcast followed by a discussion with the host/ creator of Rumble Strip. The rebroadcast portion is about town meetings in Vermont, and the follow-up interview is a bit about creating a podcast. The combination of governance and podcasting brought you to mind and I thought you might enjoy that episode.

Apr 15th
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ncooty

"Place-making" is not new. This is a real point of irritation for me with academics, and social "scientists" in particular: they love to pretend they have found or invented new concepts and to ignore vast amounts of research already done on those topics, both in their field and in others. It's a startling degree of willful ignorance, incuriosity, or arrogance (combined with condescension toward past researchers)... but it is handsomely rewarded and obsequiously accommodated in their fields.

Apr 9th
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