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A weekly conversation about design process and culture. Hosted by Marshall Bock and Brian Lovin.
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This week, we talk about how we combat perfectionism in our side projects, the value of shipping, and why sharing a project too early can backfire. In the Sidebar, we recap Apple’s September event with our hot takes and spicy opinions.Golden Ratio Supporters:Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!Latest VIP Patrons:KyleSkyler SchainElena NewbroughDominique HornerColin ChapinKeiron BoswellEva RatcliffeMike WacloAleksey NikitinCliff WarrenEdward GyngellStevie RodgerSarah Catherine SmithThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we talk about how we combat perfectionism in our side projects, the value of shipping, and why sharing a project too early can backfire.Would love to know your thoughts on tackling progress over perfection especially in the product design world.I know Marshall doesn't want to publish anything which isn't perfect to his eyes but the issue is that I'm not as nearly as good as Marshall 😭, so it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on overcoming this.Whenever I work on my portfolio or a case study, I can't help but get stuck or held up on details to make it perfect. Although I try to focus on the progress and ignore the perfection part, the OCD makes me so frustrated to the point I eventually go back and fix those issues and end up delaying what I wanted to finish further.Cool Things:Brian shared Cometeer, the best dang coffee you’ll ever have. Click the link to save $25.Marshall shared Infinite by Jeremy Robinson, which has a new sequel out for any sci-fi fans among you!Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock 🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
411: Follow-upisode

411: Follow-upisode

2021-09-0832:31

This week, we follow up on last week’s conversation about designing at agencies, hiring contractors, Yelp’s app icons, and Bock’s Constant. In the Sidebar, we talk about designing with your mind’s eye and how learning to brain-prototype will help fast-track your growth as a designer.Latest VIP Patrons:DarionXinran WangÓlafur Sverrir KjartanssonAdam CollierGenghis MendozaMojAndrei SlobtsovChase SimmonsJustin BaughnDerek ShirkMisael AbreuIf you’re in New York, come meet up at Makeshift.The Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we follow up on last week’s conversation about designing at agencies, hiring contractors, Yelp’s app icons, and Bock’s Constant.Brian Leach followed up and talked about how in-house designers might experience creative atrophy.Raffaele asked when a product company should hire an external agency.Genghis Mendoza sent over some advantages to working at an agency:Build your strategic business skill set, working with strategists, engagement managers and clients, you develop new views of what your designs do to impact the client's business.Build your soft skills (consultant muscle): being able to articulate your designs, learning to work with a variety of different stakeholders. broaden your audience, from c-level to non-product people.Exercise your design rigor, strengthen your process, or become nimble and adjust your process depending on the engagement.Improve research skills as you develop patterns to learn quickly and delve into new verticals, markets and problems.Facilitation skills improve: practice techniques and you build up your playbook of strategies, to diverge, bring people to consensus, and all the things you need to make clients a part of the design thinking process.Breadth of verticals, developing a wider lens to learn more patterns from different industries, learning new problems and solving for them.Since you are in a strategic mindset most of the time, you're always searching for possibilities, trends, and begin to develop a futurist mindset, as you are designing for the art of the possible. I think this is a skill set you can also learn in-house, but as a consultant the path is more attuned to lend to this behavior. Using the RPG metaphor, this is the specialization in the skills tree.Uhl Albert noticed that Yelp’s app icons on Android are better, dropping the Yelp label from the icon itself.Derek Shirk asked about “Bach’s contant” — easy typo to hear. We call it “Bock’s Constant” aka Marshall’s Law of UX: “People don’t fucking read.”See: Laws of UXCool Things:Brian shared Hearthstone Battlegrounds, a fun variant of Hearthstone’s card game mechanics that levels the playing field and has infinite variability. It’s really fun!Marshall shared The Fold by Peter Cline, a fun sci-fi read with a buck-wild ending.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock 🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we compare agency vs. in-house design work, dissect the tradeoffs, and share interview tips for anyone moving from an agency to a product company. In The Sidebar, we share our favorite Keynote tips and tricks and our top strategy for telling a more clear story in a deck.Sponsor:Baronfig makes tools for thinkers: guided journals, simple notebooks, writing instruments, bags, desk organizers, travel accessories, and more. Their products are beautiful, functional, and simple — we use them and love them. Use the promo code DESIGNDETAILS21 to get 20% off your purchase of $50 or more.Latest VIP Patrons:RaiseaplantAndrew FrankOlowu AbayomiDavid EastPaige MariucciAlfredo ContrerasAndrewMiguel SalvadorGolden Ratio Supporters:Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!The Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we compare agency vs. in-house design work, dissect the tradeoffs, and share interview tips for anyone moving from an agency to a product company.Brian Leach asks on Twitter: have you dudes done an episode on in-house design vs agency work? Would love some perspective on different ways to think about that dilemmaCool Things:Brian shared Dave on FX/Hulu. Push through S2E3 if it’s not your thing, the rest of the season ends on a high note.Marshall shared Y the Last Man, upcoming on Hulu. Based on the trailer, the show looks true to the comics but we’ll have to see when it comes out!Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock 🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we talk about Twitter’s new follow buttons. Are they a mistake? Or a fix for something broken that we’d all become used to? Our opinions on buttons emerge! In The Sidebar, we talk about what to do with time off.Sponsor:Baronfig makes tools for thinkers: guided journals, simple notebooks, writing instruments, bags, desk organizers, travel accessories, and more. Their products are beautiful, functional, and simple — we use them and love them. Use the promo code DESIGNDETAILS21 to get 20% off your purchase of $50 or more.Latest VIP Patrons:MacarenaEunice KimJeanIvy MukherjeeAkhil LochenJak StronstadJing JinAgnieszka KroczekNickyGolden Ratio Supporters:Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!The Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we talk about Twitter’s new follow buttons. Are they a mistake? Or a fix for something broken that we’d all become used to? Our opinions on buttons emerge!@rsms thinks the change is a mistake@dannpetty thinks the change is a fixCool Things:Brian shared The White Lotus, a social satire set over the course of a week-long vacation in Hawaii. The tension is real, and it’s good!Marshall shared 100 Foot Wave, a six-part miniseries on HBO about the decade-long odyssey of surfing pioneer Garrett McNamara who dreams of conquering a 100 foot wave.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock 🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
408: News Desk, Vol. 2

408: News Desk, Vol. 2

2021-08-1132:34

This week, we talk about Yelp’s new logo and app icons, Apple’s new child safety initiatives, and the miniature masterpieces of the Olympic pictograms. In the Sidebar, we curate practical negotiation tips, strategies, and concepts to help you through a job change.Sponsor:Baronfig makes tools for thinkers: guided journals, simple notebooks, writing instruments, bags, desk organizers, travel accessories, and more. Their products are beautiful, functional, and simple — we use them and love them. Use the promo code DESIGNDETAILS21 to get 20% off your purchase of $50 or more.Latest VIP Patrons:Madeline WZhu NanMartinTim BalzerVanessa LinLuis YujaMichael WallaceJackiel RothschildGolden Ratio Supporters:Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!The Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we talk about Yelp’s new logo and app icons, Apple’s new child safety initiatives, and the miniature masterpieces of the Olympic pictograms.An inside look at how we refreshed Yelp’s logo and app iconsApple’s New ‘Child Safety’ Initiatives, and the Slippery SlopeAlex Stamos on Apple privacyAn open letter against Apple’s privacy-invasive content scanning technologyOn Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – a Personal StoryCalculating outer corner radius for concentric rounded cornersOlympic Pictograms: Miniature MasterpiecesCool Things:Brian shared The Suicide Squad, the new James Gunn remake of the 2016 flop. It was fun! If you’re into R-rated superhero movies, this will be right up your alley.Marshall shared Billie Eilish, Happier Than Ever (album link). Don’t stop reminding Marshall that he’s a Billie Eilish hipster!Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock 🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
407: Pixel 6

407: Pixel 6

2021-08-0427:46

This week, we talk about the new Pixel 6 announcement, how it stacks up against the competition, and what we’re most excited about. In The Sidebar, we share our design regrets: things we shipped that ended up being mistakes in hindsight.Sponsor:Baronfig makes tools for thinkers: guided journals, simple notebooks, writing instruments, bags, desk organizers, travel accessories, and more. Their products are beautiful, functional, and simple – we use them and love them. Use the promo code DESIGNDETAILS21 to get 20% off your purchase of $50 or more.Latest VIP Patrons:Martin TotevLouihb (pronounced louieeee)Fabricio TeixeiraAlessio TeclemeThuyrannosaurusRob EdwardsLioYves JakobClaudioLuckyNiroshanPowers TehDamon AholaJing WangStephen ChenJoel LaughlinDul ZorigooGolden Ratio Supporters:Plume empowers a billion smart devices in homes and small businesses through a suite of adaptive WiFi, AI security, and parental control. They're hiring product designers to build the future of smart home services. They're hiring product designers with 2-5 years of experience shipping products — learn more at designdetails.fm/plume. Oh, and they just raised a $270m series E, so now's the time!The Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we talk about the new Pixel 6 announcement, how it stacks up against the competition, and what we’re most excited about.The Pixel 6 and 6 Pro on The VergeMKBHD on the Pixel 6 Tensor ChipJakob’s LawAndroid 12 BetaCool Things:Brian shared Just JavaScript, a new course to help you build a strong foundation of JavaScript mental models.Marshall shared Brian David Gilbert, one of the best Youtube creators in the game. Some hits:MY WEIRD ICE CREAMS: a cooking videoPEPCORN: a cooking videoThe Perfect PokéRapPolygon Unraveled seriesthis video got me a jobit’s time to get good at dartsJust One Day - 2winz² (Official Video)that feeling when you bite into a pickle and it's a little squishier than you expectedhow to make jortsEarn $20K EVERY MONTH by being your own bossTeaching Jake about the Camcorder, Jan '97Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock 🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we dig into questions like: who should design a team’s visual style guide? And: who should break a tie in subjective aesthetic arguments? In The Sidebar, we share our tips and strategies for succeeding as a new designer in a large organization.Latest VIP Patrons:Max KaplunDaveMichael SchultzMJZach OuderkerkenChris DonerMichelle LuoAntonDemetruisNate UlrichCindy RhodesTobias NegeleTed ChangThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we talk about who actually leads UI design within an organization, teasing apart questions like: who should design a team’s visual style guide? Who should break a tie in subjective aesthetic arguments? And more!itaydre asks on GitHub: It's been challenging to develop a new design system without an existing visual style guide, so I'm trying to explore more about the work behind designing UI when you're not a sole designer.I've got a feeling that designing UI is quite hard to do collaboratively, as taste is very much subjective to each and every individual.What's your experience when it comes to developing a new style guide?Does a single designer lead the process (in terms of the visual direction)?Listen to our episode about visual design and craft with Justin Stahl.Cool Things:Brian shared Mare of Easttown and Ted Lasso Season 2, two good shows on the opposite end of the “this will make me feel a certain way” gradient.Marshall shared Crime Scene Kitchen, a cooking elimination show perfectly designed to scratch every itch in Marshall’s television brain.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :) ⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
405: News Desk, Vol. 1

405: News Desk, Vol. 1

2021-07-2132:43

This week, we talk about the new Microsoft emoji, a cool Android 12 feature, the joy of watching Apple iterate in public, and the new “King of Buttons” aka the Steam Deck. In The Sidebar, we talk about the challenge of having work that is NDA-locked, or never shipped at all.Latest VIP Patrons:AlexDylanRaphael LeeKarina KedoJustin StahlThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we talk about the new Microsoft emoji, a cool Android 12 feature, the joy of watching Apple iterate in public, and the new “King of Buttons” aka the Steam Deck.Windows redesigned their emoji and they’re gorgeous.Android 12 will have a great way to handle auto-rotation and now iOS feels broken by comparison.The new Safari is taking a few steps back on macOS. The changes have been controversial, and we’re happy to see some of these iterations happening in real time. Betas!The Steam Deck is here and holy buttons, Batman, that’s a lot of inputs!Cool Things:Brian shared the Hot Ones Season 15 sauces, perfect for you spice-heads that want to embark on the Hot Ones Challenge at home.Marshall shared Duolingo, a lovely and delight app that will help you learn a new language. Marshall is learning Japanese, and it’s sticking! Also: this is basically just a showcase of great game design.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :) ⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we talk with Justin Stahl about visual design and craft, the impact of design systems and tools on the visual landscape, tactical tips for a stronger design interview, and much more. In The Sidebar, we ask Justin about the best advice he’s ever received, becoming a manager, and knowing when it’s time to switch teams.Latest VIP Patrons:Matt TurpinNushaine FerdinandPaul HernandezChandni LuhadiyaJustin WagonerAltayKiraAldrin FernandezAnna ZhandarovichPaweł LudwiczakNikkiAlex HarveyJacob JohnsonJoshua BeitlerKasperAndrew KamauThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Followup:Sam Bernhardt tweeted a more technical name for the confidence gradient concept from two weeks ago: confidence code switching.Cope Ahead SkillMain Topic:This week, we talk with Justin Stahl about visual design and craft, the impact of design systems and our tools on the visual landscape, tactical tips for a stronger design interview, and much more.Justin is currently a Director of Product Design at Cruise. Before this, he was a Chief of Staff at Facebook Reality Labs, the Head of Product Design for Portal, and spent years as a product designer working an a wide range of Facebook products.The tweet: It's been tough to recruit product designers with great visual design and an eye for detail. Did we atomic-design-system and product-manager-skills a generation out of having them?Justin’s website@justahlTypewar and The Font Game for iPhoneScenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 will failNot Boring AppsThe Gap by Ira GlassJasper HauserThe Chef’s table episode Brian referencesJon LaxFacebook Reality LabsCool Things:Brian shared Tiger on HBO, a two-part documentary about the rise and fall of Tiger Woods. Even if you’re not super into sports, it’s worth a watch.Marshall shared The First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. It’s grim-dark fantasy, a good pick for anyone who enjoyed Game of Thrones.Justin shared The Ideal City: Exploring Urban Futures, a book which chronicles the design of urban futures.The Last Dance on Netflix.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :) ⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we talk about the confidence gradient, how we’ve built confidence over time, and the funny circumstances that can take us out of our element. In The Sidebar, we share our first impressions of Windows 11 and talk about the growing convergence of operation system designs.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:WiggensAnca DobreaFrannie LaksYang YouHenning WitzelRitesh MandaliyaJeffrey AyigsiThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Followup:Shankar tweeted: Re: Brian’s question about creative Shortcuts. If you find yourself opening a particular tab or searching inside an app often, create a shortcut for that. Example: searching or viewing your podcast library.Sam Bernhardt approves of Marshall’s parenting hot takes. Also: Let’s bring back the spacer gif!Tweets:Ritesh outlined some reasons why he enjoys the show. Thank you for the kind words!Moody asked: is there a way to support the podcast aside from Patreon? – just keep listening! Sharing with friends, tweeting at us, or rating the show on Apple Podcasts are also helpful.Main Topic:This week, we talk about our experiences of being in high and low confidence situations, how we’ve dealt with confidence over time, and the funny circumstances that can take us out of our element.Cool Things:Brian shared Dreamland by Glass Animals. Very catchy, be warned.Marshall shared LEGO Masters Season 2, now from Australia and the UK! SO much LEGO, so little time.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :) ⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we dig into the best way to think about margin and padding in your component system. In The Sidebar, we break down the basics of design advising and angel investing.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:Graham ConnellEmily KimSjur GrønningsæterVincent Salamanca-GagnonFranckDominic KennedyRohan BondiliTomáš TrejdlJames GoncalvesClay CrenshawJack LoLiam FergusonThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Followup:Manny tweeted: What is the official name for the “three dots”…? I’ve heard “three dots”, “more icon”, “ellipsis” and “overflow” from different peopleWe replied: Yeah, it’s a bit confusing, but to my understanding, Android is “Overflow” and iOS is “Ellipsis,” but the label is typically “More,” so we just went with “Three Dots” to keep it generic 😊Raffaele tweeted: Episodes like 401 would be great with video or images content! I got lost several times in the words explanation of visuals/patterns. Does this make sense? 😁We agree, but since that’s not quite possible (easily) with our current setup, it’s become useful practice for us to have to describe visual concepts with crisp language.Main Topic:This week, dluft asks on GitHub: Brian mentioned the article "Margin Considered Harmful" by Max Stoiber. I can't wrap my head around the takeaway. Could you explain how to use margins in Figma as instructed by Max, please?Max Stoiber’s original article, Margin Considered HarmfulCool Things:Brian shared OldOS by Zane, a faithful recreation of iOS 4 in pure SwiftUI.Marshall shared TikTok, a brand new app that is sweeping the nation. You probably haven’t heard of it yet, but you should check it out. Marshall is always on the cutting edge, y’all 😅Byte, what could have been the spiritual successor to Vine.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :) ⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
401: Three Dots

401: Three Dots

2021-06-1239:29

This week, we talk about a ubiquitous design crutch: the three dot menu. We examine the spread of this pattern and discuss potential solutions to avoid it. In The Sidebar, we recap WWDC 2021 and dive deep into our favorite announcements.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:Trí NguyễnMichael WangJustin WattsMichael GoliverBaruch PiTara UrsoThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Followup:Sean Sullivan tweeted: IMO Software can be finished. Think about software that ships on non Internet connected devices. We used to always ‘finish’ software products pre-SaaS. Big examples today would be secure embedded software systems.Charmie Kapoor mentioned us as one of her top 3 podcasts for design and product – thank you!Main Topic:This week, we talk about three dot menus, the now-ubiquitous interface element that can be conveniently used to hide secondary and tertiary functions. We rant about the spread of the three dot virus and discuss potential alternatives to avoid it.Cool Things:Brian shared the Pride Edition Braided Solo Loop, a gorgeous, albeit expensive, band for your Apple Watch.Marshall shared Inside, a New Tragedy from Bo Burnham. It’s beautifully written and performed, but very sad and poignant. A masterpiece.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :) ⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we try to answer a simple question: is software ever finished? In The Sidebar, we talk money: compounding, investing, negotiating, planning, and more.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:Uhl AlbertErol MujakCarlos SalazarTony HeLinusCrys FMChristopherThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, Graham Connell tweets: can software ever be finished? Most products these days get new features and keep evolving, but I can think of several examples where continual change isn’t always good/necessary. Curious to know your thoughts on this.iA WriterCool Things:Brian shared Project Hail Mary, the latest sci-fi novel from Andy Weir, author of The Martian. We both read and finished this at the same time, and absolutely loved the story. The audio version is a strong recommendation!Marshall shared Homebridge on Raspberry Pi, powered by CanaKit Raspberry Pi and homebridge-raspbian-image.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock 🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
This week, we talk about how the framework Strong Opinions, Weakly Held can be used to effectively critique visual design. In The Sidebar, we recap Google I/O 2021, discussing our favorite announcements, Material You, and the wild future of computers.Latest VIP Patrons:Javier AlavesAsh Oliver“Easily pronounceable”Michael WilkinsMark LeeZlatan HajrudinovicDerekBetty LauKe SunAlex MillerThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Follow up:Sam Chang tweeted: Curious how y’all feel about design folks who are curious and interested in non-design side projects. Would that also stand out to you?It depends! But it’s also your life, your website – certain things will just be more relevant than others in a job context.Apple previews AssistiveTouch, an awesome new set of accessibility tools for the Apple Watch.Main Topic:This week, Yu Zhao asks on GitHub: How to develop "strong opinion weakly held" for visual design critique?Here’s a good starting point on the this: Strong Opinions, Weakly Held — a framework for thinkingDiscord recently evolved their brand colorsCool Things:Brian shared The West Wing (available on HBO Max), a political drama created by Aaron Sorkin. It holds up!Marshall shared the Belkin 3-in-1 Wireless Charger with MagSafe – it works great as an all-in-one stand for iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods Pro. Looks great, too!Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :) ⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunes.Byeee!
398: Proof of Curiosity

398: Proof of Curiosity

2021-05-1922:552

This week, we dig into two frameworks for leveling up at work: Proof of Curiosity and The Helpful Hierarchy. Whether you’re looking for more accountability, want to stand out in a job interview, or just want to be more intentional with your professional growth, we think these frameworks will help.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:Mark HuserStephanieFrancis CortezFrederik RømmingEthan MachadoLudens TranThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Follow up:Online workout trainer alternatives:growingannanas8fitUhl Albert tweeted: TIL: "Elephant paths" is another term for desire paths or desire lines.See more on 99% InvisibeMaximillian Piras tweeted: Although the mature product distinction does bring to my mind the Innovator’s Dilemma of being held hostage by your users’ feedback & what have you.Main Topic:This week we talk about how to stand out as a designer, centering on a WIP idea we’re calling proof of curiosity.Neil Sardesai is a great example of demonstrating a proof of curiosity on Twitter. Learn more about learning in public from Shawn Wang.Cool Things:Brian shared Paddington, just a wholesome, lovely movie that we finally watched together this past week. Part 2 to follow, we hear great things.Marshall shared Fist to Five, a technique for quickly getting feedback or gauging consensus during a meeting.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunesByeee!
This week, we talk about the tension between building what customers explicitly ask for versus building towards a team’s internal vision. In The Sidebar, we talk about the lack of public software critique: Why isn’t there an MKBHD equivalent for software design?Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:Olga SNoah CTemiRenato MandićAndrew KimPhoebe GoldenbergZé MarquesCindy CGiulio FagioliniMatthewChris JeongBrian LeachRachel DavisRadek BerkaThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Follow up:Bran Hills tweeted: the bit about not being a thought leader, but being more open about what I'm learning personally really hit home. This will help whittle away at imposter syndrome if I frame what I share in this way. Thanks fellas!Read more from Shawn @swyx Wang about learning in public.Michael Knepprath tweeted: Favorite newsletters rn:rendezvous with @cassidoo https://cassidoo.co/newsletter/@jbouie’s NYT newsletter (currently taking a break for paternity leave) https://nytimes.com/newsletters/jamellebouieJB Design joined Twitter for the show! Welcome to Design Twitter 😊Main Topic:Victor Kernes asks on GitHub:Curious to hear both of your thoughts on the decision making process of building features that you’re users explicitly ask for (i.e. edit button on Twitter) versus features that your team, whether it’s Design, Product, Engineering, feels are the right things to build based on the company’s priorities.User research plays a large part, however, it’s something I’ve been struggling with lately. Especially as I’m working on new features that the company’s prioritizing, which is another process I’ve been removed from so far.Learn more about elephant paths: Elephant path is a name for a path that is formed in space by people making their own paths and shortcuts; it is an unofficial route.This talk by Adam Mosseri, Data Informed, Not Data Driven, is a good one.Cool Things:Brian shared Invincible on Amazon Prime Video. Quick synopsis: Mark Grayson is a normal teenager, except for the fact that his father, Nolan, is the most powerful superhero on the planet. Shortly after his seventeenth birthday, Mark begins to develop powers of his own and enters into his father's tutelage.Marshall shared Returnal, a PS5 exclusive: After crash-landing on this shape-shifting world, Selene must search through the barren landscape of an ancient civilization for her escape. Isolated and alone, she finds herself fighting tooth and nail for survival. Again and again, she’s defeated – forced to restart her journey every time she dies.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunesByeee!
396: Career Cheat Codes

396: Career Cheat Codes

2021-05-0528:321

This week, we discuss the things we’ve done in our design careers that have had an outsized impact on our professional growth. In The Sidebar, we talk about the anatomy of icons and how that anatomy affects user interfaces.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:Patrik LauBarton SmithAndy KnightMancini Tangreg leibowitzCindy ZAchille Perrin (French pronunciation)Yuna AkazawaAaron von KreislerJustin HaldaneThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Follow up:Walter Kimaro tweeted a mini music video on top our theme music. This is the kind of content we’re here for! Thank you, Walter 😊Main Topic:This week, we talk about “career cheat codes” — or: things we’ve done in our time as designers that have had outsized impact on our growth.Become “the person” for “a thing”Become a central “connector node” in your organization’s graphLearn in public by writing, tweeting, podcast, or anything else that puts your ideas out into the world in real time.Cool Things:Brian shared Money Stuff, the best weekday newsletter in finance by Matt Levine. It’s fantastic, funny, and will help you learn about the world of money.Marshall shared the HomePod mini. Turns out, it’s pretty great – when it works!Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock📬 Don't have Twitter? Email us at designdetailsfm@gmail.com🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunesByeee!
395: Config 2021

395: Config 2021

2021-04-2838:481

It’s event recap week! In this week’s episode we share our reactions to everything announced at Figma’s Config 2021. In The Sidebar, we dig into our favorite updates and the confusing head-scratchers announced at Apple’s Spring Loaded event.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundAround is a better way to video call. It’s designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups together to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:lookiyamCharlieBlake LamD GThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we dig into everything announced at Figma’s Config 2021. We share our thoughts on FigJam, file branching, audio spaces, and the updated Figma mobile app.ConfigWhat’s new in FigmaCool Things:Brian shared Nike Run Club, a lovely little app from Nike to help you run. I was surprised at how much I liked the guided runs – they’re worth a try! Marshall shared TOPK magnetic charging cables, a nice quality of life improvement for all you designers out there overrun with low-battery test devices.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock📬 Don't have Twitter? Email us at designdetailsfm@gmail.com🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunesByeee!
This week, we caught up with Joey Banks to talk about contributing to open source design. In the Sidebar, we ask Joey bonus questions about ramping up in a new job, the design advocate role, and being Twitter famous.Latest VIP Patrons:Chris BarrettAmandaLiam MewsThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week, we grabbed Joey Banks to help us answer a listener question. Joey is a product designer working on design systems at Twitter. Before this, he was a design advocate at Figma.flyingjuggernaut asks on GitHub:Why would a designer contribute to open-source design communities? What are the benefits for a designer to spend valuable time contributing to these? Do you contribute and if so, why? I can see entry-level designers contributing to gain some experience or projects for their portfolio but for designers that have been working for some time, apart from exposure or reputation, I can't make sense of it.Joey on Twitter@joey on Figma110: MAMP Patient Zero ft. Joey BanksApple Design ResourcesTeehan+LaxFacebook Tools and ResourcesHand Mirror from Rafael CondeToo Beautiful to Live PodcastCool Things:Brian shared Screen Rant Pitch Meetings, a lovely playlist of sarcastic movie pitches that pokes fun in all the right ways.Marshall shared Olivia Rodrigo – start with drivers license.Joey shared HazeOver, a helpful macOS utility to dim distracting windows on the Mac.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock📬 Don't have Twitter? Email us at designdetailsfm@gmail.com🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunesByeee!
This week, we talk about the hidden complexities of a designer’s favorite element: the button. In the Sidebar, we examine interfaces that defer moderation responsibilities onto the end user.Golden Ratio Supporter:AroundThank you to Around, a better way to video call. The product is designed specifically to make it easier to gather small groups to collaborate in real time, without all the distracting and frustrating interfaces that comes with most video chat software. We love the small floating heads and emphasis on making it easy to work alongside the video call, rather than constantly having to app switch.You can get started for free by signing up at Around.co!Latest VIP Patrons:Miko Castillo (not Michael)Dym SohinBradford UlrichSkye JonesNLP StudioReginald CurtisAlec DavyAl PowerLiam LiuAxel KheddacheThe Sidebar:The Sidebar is an exclusive weekly segment for our Patreon supporters. You can subscribe starting at $1 per month for access to bonus content going forward! Sign up at patreon.com/designdetails.Main Topic:This week we talk about the intricacies, details, and complexities of the designer’s favorite element: the button.Starting points for the psychology for rounding corners:How to rounded corners affect usabilityWhy rounded corners are easier on the eyesThe Bouba/kiki effectLickable buttonsCool Things:Brian shared Godzilla vs. Kong. Monke punch lizerd.Marshall shared Brandon Sanderson, the author of the Mistborn Trilogy, Warbreaker, Stormlight Archive, and more.Design Details on the Web:📻 We are @designdetailsfm🎙 Brian is @brian_lovin🎙 Marshall is @marshallbock📬 Don't have Twitter? Email us at designdetailsfm@gmail.com🙌 Support us on Patreon - your support literally makes this show possible. Thank you ❤️❓ Got a question? Ask it on our Listener Questions Hub, and we'll do our best to answer it on the show :)⭐️ Enjoying the show? Leave us a review on iTunesByeee!
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