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In the epic world of Theria, every choice leaves a mark and no fate is safe. Dungeons & Randomness is raw, unscripted Dungeons & Dragons using Level Up Advanced 5E for even deeper drama, danger, and discovery. Arc 6: Frostbourne begins a new chapter as a band of adventurers faces the frozen consequences of the past. New to the show? Start with Frostbourne Ep 1: A Single Step. Or, to catch up quickly, start with the one-hour Frostbourne Recap, covering the first 20 episodes.
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Chimera enlists the group to help clean up Kolgoth's mess while Logrhyn brokers uneasy alliances.
// CATCH UP ON FROSTBOURNE:
• Find the Frostbourne Recap: Ep. 1-20 in our feed, right there between Episodes 20 and 21. It takes over forty hours of adventure and chaos and boils it down to just one. Perfect to catch up and share with friends, family, enemies—whoever!
// FROSTBOURNE CAST:
• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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While being sent on a quest to save their scientist friend, a new group of heroes goes up against a terrifying, otherworldly foe.
// CATCH UP ON FROSTBOURNE:
• Find the Frostbourne Recap: Ep. 1-20 in our feed, right there between Episodes 20 and 21. It takes over forty hours of adventure and chaos and boils it down to just one. Perfect to catch up and share with friends, family, enemies—whoever!
// HALLOWEEN SPECIAL CAST:
Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
Alex Herrera – “Bramble 'Half-Pint' Goodbarrel"
Brianna Marie – “Jock Harker”
Jake White – “Belvis Ruzak”
Kelsey White – “Andreas Lightbrook”
Ryan Garner - "Durgan Runevein"
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• Get ready for LobStar, a graphic novel by our very own Jamieson Alcorn and Very Big Comics. Kickstarter goes live November 4, 2025! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/verybigcomics/lobstar-0
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Bri, Jason, and folks from the cast chat about Episodes 23-25 of Frostbourne: duergar, arcane adamantine, regicide, and a very Kolgoth Moment™.
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• Find the Frostbourne Recap: Ep. 1-20 in our feed, right there between Episodes 20 and 21. It takes over forty hours of adventure and chaos and boils it down to just one. Perfect to catch up and share with friends, family, enemies—whoever!
// FROSTBOURNE CAST:
• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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• Try Enclave, an amazing diceless one-shot TTRPG. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/757240159/enclave-aspirant (you'll get a special D&R class if you sign up!)
• Get ready for LobStar, a graphic novel by our very own Jamieson Alcorn and Very Big Comics. Kickstarter goes live November 4, 2025! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/verybigcomics/lobstar-0
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While the duergar investigate their king’s death, Chimera scrambles to deliver what Kolgoth demands. But when time runs out, a line is crossed and there’s no coming back.
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• Find the Frostbourne Recap: Ep. 1-20 in our feed, right there between Episodes 20 and 21. It takes over forty hours of adventure and chaos and boils it down to just one. Perfect to catch up and share with friends, family, enemies—whoever!
// FROSTBOURNE CAST:
• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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• Try Enclave, an amazing diceless one-shot TTRPG. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/757240159/enclave-aspirant (you'll get a special D&R class if you sign up!)
• Get ready for LobStar, a graphic novel by our very own Jamieson Alcorn and Very Big Comics. Kickstarter goes live November 4, 2025! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/verybigcomics/lobstar-0
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The group levels up and tries to subdue the clearly mad king of the duergar.
// CATCH UP ON FROSTBOURNE:
• Find the Frostbourne Recap: Ep. 1-20 in our feed, right there between Episodes 20 and 21. It takes over forty hours of adventure and chaos and boils it down to just one. Perfect to catch up and share with friends, family, enemies—whoever!
// FROSTBOURNE CAST:
• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
// FIND US:
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A mountain full of duergar and arcane metals, Chimera breathing in the good stuff, and a king who just isn't feeling like himself these days.
// CATCH UP ON FROSTBOURNE:
• Find the Frostbourne Recap: Ep. 1-20 in our feed, right there between Episodes 20 and 21. It takes over forty hours of adventure and chaos and boils it down to just one. Perfect to catch up and share with friends, family, enemies—whoever!
// FROSTBOURNE CAST:
• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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Bri, Jason, and folks from the cast chat about Episodes 20-22 of Frostbourne: magical loyalty programs, the Therian Feywild, and a not-too-happy warlock patron in the mix.
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• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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Cannon-wielding minotaurs, a far too serene warlock, and a tarot deck that says the quiet part out loud.
// FROSTBOURNE CAST:
• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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The group begins their journey out of Esterholt and stumbles onto something extraordinary—the Feywild itself.
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• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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Catch up on Frostbourne in this special recap of the first 20 episodes of D&R's latest campaign. Jump in if you’re just joining or need a quick refresher.
Cast:
• Jason Massey – “Gamemaster/DM”
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Loghryn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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Esterholt shopping trip as the gang gears up for mining in the mountains. Potions, gambling, and... tattoos?
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• Jason Massey – Game Master / Narrator
• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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Bri, Jason, and folks from the cast chat about Episodes 17-19 of Frostbourne, including a deep dive into Esterholt, Bonzo's Dark, and the future of the adopted teens!
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Esterholt's vampiric Gloaming Quarter serves up dinner, some awkward reunions, and... a new friend for Nythera.
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• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
• Susan Spenader – “Nythera Rhyelith”
• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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A stone's throw from Esterholt, the gang faces wyverns, hot tubs, and a hotel mini-bar or two. Really.
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• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
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• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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The crew explosively settles the skull debate and continue on to Esterholt. Things go smoothly—until, y’know, land shark.
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• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
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Bri, Jason, and folks from the cast chat about Episodes 14-16 of Frostbourne, including why boxes full of evil shadows and skulls should never be opened in Theria.
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After dealing with the wrecked caravan, the group stirs something ancient—and even Kolgoth isn't happy about it.
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• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
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• Jason ‘Jasper’ Permenter – “Ruby Pettigrew”
• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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Pressed for time to catch up to the caravan, the group faces harpies and something much darker...
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• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
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• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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As a brutal storm closes in, the crew scrambles to craft an antidote for Ora—but the harshest blow might be a well-earned lecture.
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• Jamieson Alcorn – “Logrhyn Cragborn”
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• Ian Duncan – “Chimera”
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Bri, Jason, and folks from the cast chat about Episodes 10-13 of Frostbourne: were-rats, tagalong friends, and hard-earned antidotes.
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too many ad breaks. im ok with 1 or 2 per episode not 1 every 15 min. this is not cable networks. every time you have an ad break it ruins the listening experience.
owwww the hammer talk tho . I'm a master blacksmith
Rest in pieces, Tholomon. Keeping tradition alive 🤣
I love gmt
At around the 1 hour, 11 minute mark, a chunk of audio appears to be missing. It seems to merely jump forward as if it edited a bit too much out.
Absolutely amazing episode, you guys did a phenomenal job.
That was an amazing fight! love the show
this is such a great way to get away from covid and politics
Loved the 'pocket sand' moment
just feels so fake haha love kaluna
Sora is the female equivalent to dude bro
sora saved one orphan and in doing so killed how many of her friends?
anyone surprised that Cole died not me
anyone surprised una is a god and can jont out in front of 20 Pasadena she's got so much op gear and is so over powered it's crazy
why is brees death malcus's fault? bree is a strong independent women. he left her and won the war for them haha they had no hope otherwise. they could not even take on the human forces without strad so he is the only way they won at all
the answer to the dm question answers so much. why people who left has left and why people keep leaving. When people step out of what he believes they should he gives the something ruff like a rod of wonder but if your telling the story he wants you get a weapon of kord this is why una could take on a dragon and why a troll one shot people he was adjusting the stats. The stats are balanced but not fun for him as a dm and if people know how to play there caricter well and or don't tell the story he wants us those who are no longer there like Scott all of a sudden there's an issue. he needs to feel in control witch is why he got so defensive when it was suggested he dose not. This get has been the best one yet
#calledit knew una would not stay dead both her and bre would live like I said no consequences haha and no God's not surprised 2 reasons 1 the world 2 is a podcast run by mostly atheist as well as him hinting it. Ps group 1 with the armies should have been able to beat the dragon easily if unas group could. But he made it seem if you get hit by fire it's gg no surviving but the same was minimal. haha this is great.
haha I was wrong about una but I think it's to funny that just before this episode they were admit you should never tell someone to kill themselves then this episode they tell people to go die hahaha and it's good to know that I was not the only person who felt una got whatever she wanted
I approve of them going back and changing it. Not because I believe in censorship but it is there podcast if they want to who is anyone to tell them they cant. they are hypocrites now here is the thing they can be if they want to you want to listen you will I think that it takes away from it but oh well there choice that said I wish they just record it using different words instead of the beep I hate the beeps it takes away so much from both the enjoyment and the immersion. I belive in destroying hate not the false hate of a word but the real hate that telling someone to hang themself and many of the other things.
ima will be fine of course this is feels so scripted. worst episode yet. how did group 1 with an army not kill them? haha