Dyed Green

Dyed Green is a podcast about food and culture in Ireland. Hosted by Kate McCabe and Max Sussman, co-founders of the ecotourism company Bog & Thunder, each episode features dynamic conversations with chefs, farmers, scholars, and more - exploring Ireland’s rich culinary history, its dynamic creative culture, and challenging outdated stereotypes. It’s not just Guinness and potatoes (although there will be plenty of that too!) Join Kate and Max on a culinary journey to the country you won’t believe you’ve been missing: Ireland. <br/><br/><a href="https://katemccabe.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">katemccabe.substack.com</a>

Darina Allen Won't Slow Down

Known throughout Ireland and well beyond as the matriarch of Irish cuisine, Darina Allen is a powerhouse in the Irish food community. Since opening the first farm-to-table culinary education program at Ballymaloe Cookery School with her brother Rory O’Connell in 1983, Darina has gone on to publish more than twenty cookbooks and has presented nine seasons of the television show Simply Delicious (as well as other programs). Rather than take a retirement when she turned 75 two years ago, Darina decided to open a Farm School to teach students about sustainable food production and consumption.On this week’s show, we speak with Darina about creating the holistic curriculum at the cookery school; how the typical Irish diet has changed since 1983; and her involvement in reinvigorating Irish farmer’s markets. We also discuss the dangers of ultra processed foods and their relationship to our growing health crisis, as well as how we might continue to influence people to eat healthier, environmentally safe foods. We are beyond thrilled to welcome the one and only Darina Allen to this week’s show.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

09-19
59:08

Eat the Landscape

Max Jones is a traditional food preservationist and the founder of Up There the Last, a project based in West Cork. Max’s work revolves around practices that turn the landscape into food. He believes that within each of us is an inherent superhero ability to know what’s going on in our immediate surroundings and seeks to encourage people to allow that intuition to guide our choices—particularly concerning the food we eat. It seems like there’s not much Max can’t do: he’s a teacher, a writer, a photographer, a builder, and a craftsman—in addition to being the father of two. When we recently learned he also plays a mean guitar, we almost lost it! On this episode, we speak with Max about the true provenance of food; how a customer complaint about food cost put him on an unexpected trajectory; building the Keep with Sally Barnes; and the impact of excessive food regulations on artisanal practices. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

07-23
01:24:58

It’s Cormac’s Coast & We’re All Just Living In It

We really get in there with our guest on this week’s show, Cormac McGinley. Cormac runs walking tours along the Cliffs of Moher and all over the Burren in County Clare, one of our favorite places in Ireland. Name an -ology and Cormac probably studied it, and he brings his love of science to his love of Ireland with him on every walk he leads.On this episode, we speak with Cormac about really getting to know a place deeply; ecological wrong turns and the unnatural Irish landscape; the impact of consumer culture and how to separate needs from wants; and how he is working on building a life so that if tourism vanishes, he can still live in his favorite place. Much like our previous guests, Cormac also imparts some valuable life advice: “Time is all we have, so retain a sense of humor and try not to be a dick.”Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

05-08
01:14:16

Mixing Business and Pleasure

**We made it to 50!** We’re celebrating the fiftieth episode of Dyed Green with Anne & Orla O’Carroll, the women behind Valentia Island Vermouth, a spirit made with twenty botanicals on a small island off the coast of Kerry. Anne & Orla originally met at art school in Bristol before moving back to Ireland to create the first ever Irish vermouth. On this week’s episode, we speak with Anne & Orla about the inspiration for their incredible drink; building a vermouth business from the ground up; how they developed their recipe; breaking into the US market; and how they work to attain a work/life balance as a couple in business together. The O’Carrolls even give Max & Kate some marriage advice!To mark the occasion of our 50th episode, we’re giving away a free bottle of Valentia Island Vermouth. Follow @bogandthunder, tag a friend in the comments, & share this post for a chance to win!Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

04-03
49:38

Reggie's Secret Sauce

We had the honor of hosting acclaimed pizza chef Reggie White for his first ever podcast interview! If you thought our bread-focused episodes were intense, just wait until you hear Max and Reggie nerd out about everything from water quality to hydration to milling grains on this week’s episode.Fresh from the recent opening of his Rathmines spot Reggies, we talked to the Ballymaloe alum about finding work that sparks joy; using ingredients that make you happy so the food tastes better; and the problems associated with restaurants that look at pizza as just the pathway to a high profit margin. For all the pizza nerds out there, we also discussed whether New York City really does have the best water for making pizza, the strengths of different varieties of flour, and an issue called “off-gassing,” which isn’t really as bad as it sounds. In what should come as a surprise to absolutely no one, Max and Reggie also agreed that using nicer s**t is the secret to good pizza.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

03-13
59:39

Farming for the Future

Just off the Antrim coast, in a town called Ballycastle, lies Broughgammon Farm, 50 acres of carefully managed meadow, pastureland, gardens, and forest. It’s such an idyllic spot and an equally inspiring operation, so you might be surprised to learn that neither Charlie nor Becky Cole imagined that they’d be running their own regenerative farm one day. Motivated in part by the desire to find a market for male kid goats who are commonly disregarded as by-products of the dairy industry, the Coles have exceeded their original vision for their farm and now also raise pigs and rose veal; grow vegetables; and run a farm shop where they hold classes and host pop-up dinners. In an era where family farms are going under all the time, the Coles have managed to envision and create something beautiful and thriving. On this episode, we talk to Becky and Charlie about bringing their vision of regenerative farming to life; how to make a living in line with your ethics; and the challenges of introducing customers to new tastes and flavors. We also discuss Becky’s book, the Garden Apothecary; developing specialty products; and the benefits of collaborating with other local small businesses. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

03-02
01:04:14

Hospitality as a Space of Possibility

In 2013, artist Jennie Moran started an art project at National College of Art & Design in Dublin in the form of a college canteen called Luncheonette. Guided by Moran’s vision of “ghostis,” her curation of the canteen,  nourishing food, and—with the support of NCAD—Luncheonette became a food destination in the city, won awards, and created a convivial community space that lasted for ten long years. Her new book, How To Soften Corners, celebrates the success of Luncheonette and highlights Moran’s refreshing philosophy of hospitality.On this episode, we speak with Jennie about how food can be used to diffuse the pressure of a shared space; the limits of understanding hospitality as providing the best customer experience; planning a menu that cares for the guest holistically; and nurturing our instinct to welcome strangers rather than giving in to the suspicion of people we don’t know.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

02-05
01:16:19

Building a Movement of Ocean Stewardship

Despite being an island nation with almost 2,000 miles of coastline, only 9% of Ireland’s oceans are currently being protected. Irish organizers, backed by fishermen, small businesses, and local communities, are working to pressure the government to increase the protection of Irish seas to at least 30% by 2030 in the form of Marine Protected Areas. Ón this episode, we speak with Jack O’Donovan Trá, a marine biologist and representative from the Fair Seas campaign about the emotional connection Irish people have with the sea; making radical changes in policy that benefit people; the source of Ireland’s emerald green; and the great migration of fish from the twilight zone—as well as one of Kate’s favorite topics, how salmon farms are legitimately devastating to marine ecosystems. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

01-09
01:08:42

Time Traveling with Neil Jackman

Did you know that Ireland requires developers to have an archaeologist on hand when breaking ground on a new site? Or that Irish feasts in medieval times often featured professional farters alongside musicians as part of the evening entertainment? On this week’s episode, Max & Kate travel back and forth across time with archaeologist Neil Jackman, co-founder of Abarta Heritage.We speak with Neil about the impact of the economic crash on archaeologists; how to get people to value heritage sites in order to ensure their protection; food as existence; the relationship between folklore and archaeology in our reverence for ancient sites; and the role that archaeology played in developing Ireland’s sense of self after independence.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

12-20
01:09:35

Making Magic at Arán Bakery

Our guests on this week’s episode followed their passions for food from the Philippines and Poland to Denmark, where they met, fell in love, and honed their craft, before moving to Kilkenny to open one of the best bread bakeries in Ireland. Since opening in 2019, Nicole and Bart have won the Supreme Champion Award at Blas na hÉireann; the Irish Times Top 100 Best Places to Have Lunch in Ireland; Ireland's Best Brunch at the Georgina Campbell Irish Breakfast Awards; and were recently named Best in Ireland 2025 by the McKenna Guide.On this week’s episode, we talk to Nicole and Bart about going from fine dining in Denmark to serving brunch in Kilkenny; how Noma is a four-letter word; faking it till you make it; and the trials and tribulations of using heritage grains.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

12-09
01:02:32

Another Round? Ali Dunworth on Irish Pint Culture

The experience of going for a pint in Ireland is more than a rite of passage, it’s a cultural institution. This week on Dyed Green, we speak with writer, journalist, and events producer Ali Dunworth about her book A Compendium of Irish Pints: The Culture, Customs, and Craic.  Ali found her way into the world of food & drink via a stint in tv production in London, before pivoting to write about food full-time and organize festivals in Ireland.On this week’s episode, we talk to Ali about her encyclopedia of pints, from the deep & meaningful to birthday pints and more. We also discuss how to poor a proper pint; expectations for buying a round at a pub; old man pubs; and how Guinness came through for pub drinkers during Covid.  Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

11-19
01:14:27

Show Me Your Beans

This week on Dyed Green, we speak to Shane Neary, the co-owner of NearyNógs Stoneground Chocolate in the Mourne Mountains outside Newry, County Down. NearyNógs was the first bean-to-bar chocolate factory in the north of Ireland when the Neary family opened in 2011. Originally a passion project created to help pay the medical bills of Shane and Dorothy’s daughter, the high demand for the Nearys’ incredible chocolate caused a career pivot and changed their lives forever.Today, the Nearys run their solar-powered chocolate factory with about ten employees, and ship around the world. On this episode, we talk to Shane about his commitment to sourcing ethically and paying farmers a living wage; tasting notes & terroir in chocolate; and the difference between craft chocolate makers & “melters.”Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

11-05
48:30

Paula McIntyre Keeps It Simple

After a bit of a break, Dyed Green is back with a conversation with Paula McIntyre, a chef, writer, and broadcaster and the director of Slow Food Northern Ireland, based in Portstewart in County Derry. Paula’s passion for cooking began at the age of 8, when she visited an Italian deli in Edinburgh, where she had a formative experience with parmesan cheese and Parma ham. As luck would have it, Kate met Paula at a market in Rome while crying and eating pizza. Chef Paula McIntyre thinks chefs waste too much time trying to make something fancy that would taste better if it were more simply prepared: “You're not going to end up with anything in three hours that you wouldn't have ended up with in two minutes.” On today’s episode, we discuss Paula’s enduring love affair with turnip tops and Red Cow parmesan, attending culinary school in the United States, and following the food journey of Ulster Scots immigrants along the Appalachian trail. Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

10-15
01:00:31

On My Own Terms: Chef Rose Green of 4 Hands Food Studio

Rose Greene began her culinary career on a rapidly ascending yet predictable trajectory—a four year culinary arts course followed by many years working in Michelin starred kitchens around the world—before realizing that the nightly slog just wasn’t for her. The never-ending long hours, shady sourcing of produce, and restaurants whose models rely on unpaid labor made her rethink her approach to food and a life in the industry. Then she met her partner Margaux, discovered the wonders of fermentation, and decided to slow down and move forward on her own terms. Together they started 4 Hands Food Studio and haven't looked back.We spoke with Rose about the importance of a work/life balance; food as nourishment; building her own home; and growing a business that fits your life instead of the other way around.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com.Dyed Green is Powered by Simplecast. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

02-12
55:52

We are the Solution: Creating Our Own Shelter with Harrison Gardner of Common Knowledge

Ireland, like many places around the world, is in the grips of a housing crisis. Many young people are living with their parents far into adulthood and being told that home ownership may not be within their financial reach. What if there was an alternative to meeting the salary requirements for a bank loan and incurring a huge debt to pay for a mortgage? Our guest on this week’s show, Harrison Gardner, may just have some ideas for you. Harrison is the author of Build Your Own: Use what you have to create what you need, and a co-founder of the Clare-based Common Knowledge, a social enterprise focused on teaching people the skills they need to build sustainable housing from the ground up.On this episode, we speak with Harrison about empowering people to use tools for the first time; the importance of making mistakes; the integral role of food in community projects; and how joy, hope, & possibility are key ingredients in any and all efforts to build toward our common future. Tune in for this truly inspiring and motivational conversation and be prepared to want to put on a hard hat when it’s done!Photo courtesy of Erin McClure.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com.Dyed Green is Powered by Simplecast. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

01-25
01:19:42

Making Space for Change: Hometree’s Matt Smith

While Ireland’s rolling green hills are lovely to look at, they reflect a country whose landscape has been dramatically changed over many years. You may not even know that Ireland is the most deforested country in Europe. But what is Ireland’s “natural” landscape, and what does that even mean? For this week’s show, we spoke with Matt Smith, the manager of Hometree, a dynamic organization based in Ennistymon, County Clare, dedicated to planting more native trees into the Irish landscape. Hometree is not your average reforestation program, however! Built on a solid foundation of environmental science, they eschew carbon credit schemes, and their work incorporates community involvement, education & outreach—and even a healthy dose of Irish culture.In this conversation with Matt, we discuss the need for speed in our cultural shift towards thoughtful tree-planting schemes; the concept of rewilding as applied to the landscape; how Hometree has grown from a community garden project to the force of nature it is today; and the role that hope can play in the face of the unfolding climate crisis.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com.Dyed Green is Powered by Simplecast. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

01-19
43:29

Surf, Salt, & Sunshine: An Interview with Tom Leach & Moe McKeown of Dingle Sea Salt

Having too much or too little salt can make or break a dish, and as chefs know all too well, even the variety of salt used can dramatically impact flavors. Salt is a seasoning that we consume every day and is necessary for life, but how much do we know about its contemporary production? Although typically associated with warmer climates, Dingle Sea Salt co-founders Tom Leach & Moe McKeown have created a small batch Irish sea salt that not only rivals their Mediterranean competition, but is made in the most environmentally sound way possible.For our first episode of 2024, we speak with Tom & Moe about their love of surfing and its relationship to salt production; how it’s possible to use solar evaporation to make salt in an Irish climate; and why it’s important to grow their business thoughtfully, with intention and care for the natural world.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com.Dyed Green is Powered by Simplecast. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

01-11
48:04

Call of the Wild with Lucy O'Hagan

As the impact of the climate crisis unfolds all around us, the reality of what’s at stake changes our relationships with each other and the natural world. More and more of us are finding ourselves drawn to reconnect with the land and to build community—to “rewild,” in a sense. But what does it mean to live a wilder life? Is it even attainable or realistic for most of the globe, especially if you live in a densely populated urban area?Our guest on today’s show is Lucy O’Hagan, a teacher, forest school leader, wildlife tracker, bushcraft instructor, and the founder of Wild Awake Ireland. Through Wild Awake, Lucy guides people through rites of passage, teaches ancestral skills, and helps people to distill what it means to rewild on a personal and practical level, regardless of where you live.On this episode, we speak with Lucy about the Wild Biome project and what it’s like to eat exclusively wild, foraged food for three months; honoring age transitions through nature-based, participatory rituals outside of traditional religious practice; using ancestral skills to understand the role of power and privilege in our modern day lives; and the importance of collaboration and building community in our efforts to reconnect and reengage.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com.Dyed Green is Powered by Simplecast. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

12-17
01:01:13

Stop and Smell the Meat with Butcher Pat Whelan

Social media has been abuzz these past few weeks as the world tries to come to terms with the abundance of creative talent bursting forth from Ireland, from literary greats like Paul Lynch, whose Prophet Song just won the Booker, to actors like Cillian Murphy, Paul Mescal, and Barry Keoghan, who continue to dominate the silver screen. As the pundits continue to pontificate, we’re here to tell you that Ireland’s verdant climate, political history, and nourishment of the arts creates the conditions where bards can grow in every corner of society.Case in point: Our guest this week is a poet who might not even know it: Pat Whelan, of James Whelan Butchers, is a man whose passion for farming, the craft of butchery, and using the whole animal has led him to become Ireland’s foremost butcher, and the co-author of the best-selling Irish Beef Book, which celebrates its 10th anniversary this year.On this week’s episode, we speak with Pat about growing up on a family farm and being inspired by his hard-working parents; how important the role of a local butcher is to connecting stewardship for the land to our tables; how the food industry should take lessons from the wine world with regard to cherishing and promoting meat; and much, much more.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com.Dyed Green is Powered by Simplecast. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

12-08
01:02:27

Living on Tree Time with Katie Holten

Katie Holten is an Irish artist and activist based in New York City whose work is inspired by the relationship between humans and the natural world. She’s spent the last several years working on a tree alphabet to translate the world in a way that might connect us more intimately with nature, where each letter corresponds with an indigenous tree species (there’s even a downloadable font). Earlier this year, Holten published a gorgeous book called "The Language of Trees: A Rewilding of Literature and Landscape." The book, which includes contributions from people like Winona LaDuke, Camille Dungy, and Ross Gay, is both an offering, a conversation, and a call to action. On this week’s episode, we speak with Katie about the ways in which people can rebuild their connection with the land, repairing our broken language through nature and story, the Rights of Nature, the process of creating the language of trees, and the importance of art as a tool for social and political action.Photo courtesy of Katie Holten.Dyed Green is a project of Bog & Thunder, whose mission is to highlight the best of Irish food and culture, through food tours, events, and media. Find out more at www.bogandthunder.com.Dyed Green is Powered by Simplecast. Get full access to Sunwise at katemccabe.substack.com/subscribe

11-30
01:03:23

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