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For deep thinkers who want to live fully. Go past the stereotypes and delve into what it's really like to navigate life and personal growth as an Enneagram Type 5. Join Cody Harris (5w6 SP/SX/SO) and Josiah Goff (5w4 SO/SX/SP), as well as a community of other Fives, as we explore a different aspect of life as a Five in each episode. If you're a Five who wants to better understand yourself, or you have a Five in your life that you want to get closer to, then this podcast is for you.
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Has anyone ever told you that you’re not really a Five? In this episode, Cody stages an intervention (armed with four years of transcripts, Enneagram books, and a surprising analysis from ChatGPT) to settle an ongoing debate: Is Josiah actually a Five… or a Three in disguise? What starts as a lighthearted experiment turns into one of the most personal and revealing conversations we’ve ever had about identity, burnout, belonging, and what it really means to grow beyond your type. IN THIS EPISO...
Fives are proud of being “smart.” But what if that thing we trust most is also the thing holding us back? In this episode, we talk about the difference between intellect and intelligence, and why Fives tend to obsess over one while ignoring the other. We get into why being analytical can make you feel powerful but also isolated, emotionally numb, disconnected from your body, and limited in real life. We also share how we’ve been building other forms of intelligence like emotional awareness, b...
Hard work is a virtue… until it becomes a trap. In this episode, we explore how Fives relate to hard work, motivation, and the stories we’ve inherited about what effort should look like. We unpack our personal histories (lazy labels, blue-collar expectations, engineering hacks, and chronic fatigue) and how all of that shaped our relationship to discipline and purpose. We also dive deep into the myth of "working smarter not harder,” the allure of flow state, and the surprising ways hard work c...
Fives crave clarity, but expectations make everything fuzzy. In this episode, we wrestle with how expectations shape our creative process, our friendships, and our self‑story—often without us noticing. We start with the behind‑the‑scenes saga of trying (for the third time!) to record this conversation, then follow the thread into dread before hitting “record,” unspoken agreements in friendship, and how TV taught many of us what relationships “should” look like. Along the way, we share small s...
![[LIVE] Are Enneagram 5s really great listeners, or do we just look like we’re listening?](https://storage.buzzsprout.com/wj41k0dhif06pp1kdi84k2tuvo04?.jpg "[LIVE] Are Enneagram 5s really great listeners, or do we just look like we’re listening?")
In this live episode, we dig into a common belief about Fives that seems flattering on the surface but gets more complicated the deeper you go. We talk about what listening actually looks like for us, why presence is harder than it seems, and how emotional bandwidth plays into the equation. We also share what’s been lighting up our curiosity lately (spoiler: it includes alien documentaries, tornado footage, and an obsessive dive into Pokémon Emerald), and debate a Would You Rather that pits e...
Fives often imagine themselves outside of time, but aging has a way of forcing us back into reality. In this episode, we explore how Fives experience getting older—from bodies that don’t bounce back the way they used to, to the existential weight of midlife, to the surprising hope that comes with perspective. We share stories about family, health, autonomy, and regret, but also about the freedom, wisdom, and community that emerge when you stop trying to outrun time. IN THIS EPISODE: • The Rif...
Some people think procrastination is just poor time management, but for Fives it’s often much deeper. In this episode, we explore how procrastination shows up for us in uniquely Five ways, from building things up in our heads until they feel impossible, to putting off the projects we care about most because they expose our deepest fears and insecurities. We swap ridiculous (and relatable) stories, dig into the hidden reasons we delay, and share the mindset shifts and habits that have actually...
![[LIVE] Do Enneagram 5s think they're smarter than everyone else?](https://storage.buzzsprout.com/vinhv4mfldq24y6rfnmrdmdl7wka?.jpg "[LIVE] Do Enneagram 5s think they're smarter than everyone else?")
Fives are known for their sharp minds, but does that mean we think we’re smarter than everyone else? In this live episode, we take on a common misconception about Fives—arrogance—and explore where it comes from, why it isn’t the whole story, and what’s really going on beneath the surface. Along the way we share personal updates, talk about growth edges, and wrestle with a brutally hard “Would You Rather?” IN THIS EPISODE: Red, Yellow, Green Check-in – Why both of us are finally feeling green ...
What happens when you're a Five and a mom? This week’s episode is a special podcast takeover by Enneagram experts Sam E. Greenberg, PhD and Melissa Kircher—both Fives and both moms. They swap stories, laugh about their quirks, and get painfully honest about the challenges and strengths of navigating motherhood as a Five. Whether you’re a Five parent yourself or trying to understand one, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it’s really like to raise kids as a deeply introspective, ...
Some rabbit holes are deeper than others, and as Fives we often fall in headfirst. In this episode, we explore the obsessive way Fives pursue information: how it starts, what fuels it, and what happens when it spirals out of control. We share personal stories of late-night research binges, conspiracy rabbit holes, and the paradox of being both empowered and paralyzed by too much knowledge. We also look at what pulls us out—how connection, embodiment, and purpose help break the loop. IN THIS E...
We Fives often pride ourselves on intellect, but emotional intelligence is a whole different skill set. In this episode, Sam E. Greenberg, PhD. joins us to explore what emotional intelligence actually means, why it's challenging for Fives, and how our relationships have pushed us to grow. We share real-life stories about misreading emotions, struggling to stay in our bodies, and the surprising benefits we've discovered from learning to feel more deeply. We also dig into the shadow side of emo...
Fives often feel like outsiders, but what if the group we’ve always longed for already exists? In this episode, we invite two longtime friends to join us for a candid conversation about what it’s really like to be friends with a Five. From hilarious stories to hard truths, we explore the highs and lows of maintaining deep, long-term friendships—especially when you tend to live in your head. We reflect on shared histories, missed connections, and the emotional work required to sustain meaningf...
![[LIVE] Do Fives Secretly Want to Be Seen?](https://storage.buzzsprout.com/gai3veys8hirmop7e8th2tt9vu5v?.jpg "[LIVE] Do Fives Secretly Want to Be Seen?")
In this live episode, we explore a surprising tension many Fives feel: the deep desire to be known and understood, and the equally strong instinct to hide. We unpack what’s really behind our aversion to vulnerability, how our subtypes shape this dynamic, and what it takes to show up even when we’d rather stay in our heads. We also check in on how we’re actually doing, share what we’ve been researching lately (spoiler: lots of ChatGPT experiments), and talk about our current areas of growth. P...
Fives pride ourselves on independence, but friendship requires letting people in. In this honest and deeply personal episode, we explore what friendship means to us as Fives—and why it’s so complicated. We share stories of how our personalities have made friendship harder, how we’ve grown to value it more, and the unexpected ways we’re learning to show up more authentically and connect more deeply. From childhood loneliness to cold plunges and community-building, we dive into the vulnerabilit...
This is an After Thoughts episode, an unstructured, unedited debrief of everything we didn't say in the last episode—this time unpacking our conversation on intuition. And boy, does this one take some turns... We get into how our Five wings shape the way we approach intuition, with Josiah leaning more into the mystical side while Cody stays grounded in practicality. That leads us into a discussion on how our worldviews have shifted over time, especially in relation to religion, belief, ...
Fives rely on analysis and clarity, but intuition offers something logic can't: a deeper wisdom that defies explanation. In this episode, we explore what intuition is, why Fives struggle to trust it, and how embracing it can positively influence our lives. We share our personal experiences with intuition, examine how it's different from emotional decision-making, and discuss unconventional theories that stretch our understanding of time and consciousness. We also dive into the tension between...
![[LIVE] Can Enneagram 5s be Expressive and Outgoing?](https://storage.buzzsprout.com/0t7eq7cx6rf1r9kyy5kry95wvszh?.jpg "[LIVE] Can Enneagram 5s be Expressive and Outgoing?")
Can Fives really be expressive and outgoing? The stereotype says no—but we’re here to challenge that idea. In this episode, we unpack the myth that Fives are always quiet, reserved, and withdrawn, and we share our own experiences of learning to express ourselves in the world. Plus, we introduce a new structure for our live episodes, featuring a mix of community engagement, deep dives, and a little bit of fun. We also announce huge changes to the podcast, including moving to a weekly for...
Fives value logic and control, but anxiety challenges both. In this episode, we explore how Fives experience anxiety, why we often rationalize instead of feeling it, and how avoiding it can make things worse. We share personal stories, unexpected ways anxiety manifests in the body, and strategies that have helped us manage it—including some unconventional ones. We also dive into the tension between self-reliance and vulnerability, the impact of anxiety on relationships, and the surprisi...
What's your attachment style as a Type 5? In this season finale episode, Sam E. Greenberg joins us again to walk us through Attachment Theory and what we can learn about being a Five by studying the different Attachment Styles. If the Enneagram has helped you as a Five and you're curious about another framework you can use to better understand yourself, then this episode is for you. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/39 to join the conversa...
What keeps Type 5s from connecting? In this episode, we delve into Josiah's experience of identifying and dismantling the things that were holding him back from connecting with others, and why connection is so important for Fives. If you've ever found it difficult to connect with others as a Five, then this episode is for you. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/38 to join the conversation! The Newsletter Built for Fives 🔹 Get weekly insight...
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