Focus On Brand

A podcast from the team at Focus Lab, a global B2B brand agency building brands that lead and inspire. focuslab.agency

The Debrief: Rebranding Popl from Viral TikTok Hardware to Enterprise B2B SaaS

Join Bill Kenney as he sits down with Jason Alvarez Coen, CEO and co-founder of Popl, and Bryce Alston, VP of Marketing, to relive Popl's transformation in this insightful episode: ✅ Discover how Popl transitioned from a viral TikTok hardware product to an enterprise B2B SaaS company ✅ Learn about the triggers and catalysts that prompted the rebrand ✅ Understand the challenges and opportunities faced during the process ✅ Gain insights into their strategic rollout plan for a successful market entry ✅ Hear about the importance of aligning brand identity with company evolution If you're considering a rebrand for your rapidly growing startup, this episode is packed with valuable takeaways on planning, execution, and achieving alignment. Don't miss it!---Episode Resources:Learn more about PoplFocus Lab + Popl Case StudyPopl's Variety Article"House in Tulum" by LaLuz Photo Credit---Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.---FOLLOW US: ► Podcast: https://anchor.fm/focuslab► Instagram: @focuslabllc ► LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/focus-lab-llc► Dribbble: https://dribbble.com/focuslab► Web: https://focuslab.agencyLooking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

04-15
36:45

In Conversation: Creative Agencies in 2025 — Trends, Advice, and What's Ahead with Casa Davka

Calling all creative agency founders (or aspiring founders) 🚨 In our latest podcast episode, we sat down with the partners of Casa Davka, a consulting firm for creative agencies.Focus Lab CEO, Bill Kenney, had the pleasure of diving into the highs, lows, and everything in between with Emily Cohen and Hunter Vargas on their experiences and observations working with agency owners across the country and beyond. They hit on fantastic insights such as:The top three things agencies struggle withEmily's book, Brutally Honest, and the need for clear communicationThe importance of agencies demonstrating the value of design and branding to clientsRecent trends and shifts in the creative agency model (and market)Advice to anyone considering starting their own agencyAnd so much more!A huge thank you to Emily and Hunter for taking the time to join us on the podcast to share their points of view on the industry as well as advice to creative agencies everywhere.Episode Resources:Learn more about Casa DavkaGet Your Copy of "Brutally Honest"Information on Circles ConferenceFollow us on LinkedIn!Emily CohenHunter VargasBill Kenney-------Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.Stay up to date on all things Focus Lab:Follow us on InstagramSubscribe to our newsletterFollow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube channelLooking for a branding agency?We'd love to connect.

02-12
49:35

In Conversation: Humanizing Technology via B2B Mascots with Monte Atherton, creator of Clippy

Calling all design and brand mascot nerds that were around in the 90s! We sat down with one of the original creators of Clippy (and the suite of Microsoft Office Assistants) and we got really deep in the lore of the tech mascot universe. Focus Lab CEO and Monte Atherton, founder of Astonishing Work design studio, hit on so many fantastic topics such as: 👉 How Clippy (and friends) came to be Office Assistants 👉 Using mascots to humanize technology in the 90s & today 👉 Clippy walked so AI could run 👉 Monte's advice for developing a B2B mascot 👉 And so much more! Be sure to like + subscribe for more content like this — and let us know which Microsoft Assistant you used in the comments. ----- Episode Resources: The Media Equation by Byron Reeves and Clifford Nass Monte Atherton’s Design Studio, Astonishing Work Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves. ----- FOLLOW US: ►Podcast: https://anchor.fm/focuslab ►Instagram: @focuslabllc ►LinkedIn:   / focus-lab-llc   ►Dribbble: https://dribbble.com/focuslab ►Web: https://focuslab.agency Looking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

01-15
34:41

The Debrief: B2B Branding Doesn’t Have to Be Boring — GigSalad’s Bold Evolution

When’s the right time to let go of a brand that’s no longer serving your business—even if it’s been working for 10+ years?In our latest episode of The Debrief, Focus Lab CEO Bill Kenney talks with the GigSalad team: CEO Mark Steiner, CTO Locke Bircher, and Product Designer Nichole Baiel. Together, they discuss the bold, intentional rebrand that helped them level up and better align with their future audience and goals.They unpack the creative decisions, moments of friction, and meaningful conversations that shaped the transformation from the brief to the big reveal.In this episode, you’ll learn:✅ Why holding onto a legacy brand can quietly limit future growth✅ How “playing it safe” in B2B branding makes it harder to stand out✅ Why designing for your audience—not yourself—drives better results✅ The often-overlooked value of soft skills when choosing a branding partner🎧 Whether you’re evolving your identity or evaluating your agency partner, this episode offers candid insights into what bold B2B branding really takes.Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.---STAY IN TOUCH:► Subscribe to our Newsletter► LinkedIn► YouTube► InstagramLooking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

12-12
48:37

How Leading B2B Teams Use AI to Scale Brand Execution | In Conversation with Rows Head of Growth & AI

Let's be honest, we don’t need more AI hype. We need real examples of how teams are using it to work smarter. In this episode, Henrique Cruz of Rows shares how AI is becoming a true creative collaborator — streamlining workflows, accelerating iteration, and unlocking bandwidth for higher-value thinking.After partnering with Focus Lab on a full rebrand, the Rows team didn’t shelf the guidelines — they activated them. Henrique shares how they now use AI to generate on-brand creative drafts faster, using the original system as a foundation. The result? More assets, more agility, and more space for designers to focus on what matters most: pushing the work further.What this episode covers:🔺 Real examples of AI-driven creative workflows inside a lean B2B team🔺 How brand guidelines + AI = speed without sacrifice🔺 The tactical impact of AI on creative ops and content velocity🔺 How to keep humans at the center while working smarterWhether you’re leading a brand, scaling a creative team, or exploring AI for marketing execution, this conversation delivers practical insights — not just predictions.Show Notes:Follow Henrique Cruz on LinkedInThe LinkedIn post that inspired this episodeThinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman---Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.---STAY IN TOUCH:⁠Focus Lab Newsletter⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠InstagramLooking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

11-13
27:05

How to Lead a B2B Rebrand — Lessons from Contentstack’s CMO | The Debrief with Gurdeep Dhillon

What does it really take to lead a successful B2B rebrand — one that aligns internal teams, resonates externally, and drives measurable ROI?In this episode, Contentstack CMO Gurdeep Dhillon joins Focus Lab CEO Bill Kenney to break down the full rebranding journey. You’ll learn how Gurdeep approached agency selection, structured internal collaboration, navigated creative feedback, and activated the brand with impact.Whether you're planning a rebrand, navigating M&A, or evolving your company's voice, this is a playbook for brand leaders who want to get it right.What you'll hear:How a refresh clarified the need for a full rebrandThe four traits Contentstack used to select a brand agencyEarly ROI indicators just weeks after launchAdvice for CMOs leading their next rebrandEpisode Resources:Contentstack <> Focus Lab Case StudyContentstack's Rebrand AnnouncementFollow Gurdeep on LinkedIn---Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.---STAY IN TOUCH:Focus Lab NewsletterLinkedInYouTube ChannelInstagramLooking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

10-15
43:14

The Future of Brand and User Experience | Brand & Product with Lee Eisenbarth (Ep. 3)

In the final episode of our Brand and Product series, Bill Kenney (Focus Lab) and Lee Eisenbarth (MaxQ) look ahead: What does the future hold for brand in a world shaped by evolving user expectations and AI tools?From kids swiping TikTok to professionals navigating enterprise software, the bar for user experience is higher than ever. So how does brand show up — not just in how things look, but in how they feel?This episode dives into:Why younger generations will force brands to prioritize experience inside productsWhat Apple teaches us about branding beyond visualsHow AI is changing creative work — and where humans still hold the edgeOne mindset shift every founder should make about brand and productAnd so much more!Whether you’re a founder, product, or brand leader, this conversation will challenge how you think about the emotional resonance of brand, and its vital role in the future products we build.Watch the full series for a complete perspective on how to bridge brand and product in ways that endure.---Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.---Stay in Touch:Subscribe to the Focus Lab NewsletterFollow us on LinkedInFollow us on Instagram

08-18
35:57

How to Build Brand and Product in Tandem | Brand & Product with Lee Eisenbarth (Ep. 2)

When brand and product are treated as separate silos, user trust suffers. In this episode, Focus Lab CEO Bill Kenney and Max Q Co-Founder Lee Eisenbarth unpack what it means to build software experiences that feel cohesive—because they are.They explore how design systems, microcopy, onboarding flows, and even 404 pages can carry the weight of brand, not as decoration, but as the soul of the experience. You’ll hear examples from companies like Slack, Linear, and Ledger, and leave with tactics to align product with purpose — even on a lean budget.Key Takeaways:Why brand-product misalignment kills trust (and how to fix it)Where to inject brand personality into the product — without overdoing itSmall but mighty ways to make technical UX feel humanHow internal teams (not just marketing) scale brand consistentlyWhether you’re building your MVP or scaling a platform, this is your playbook for embedding brand into every corner of your product.Episode Resources:Learn more about MaxQ"Brand Isn't the Frosting. It's the Framework." (Article by Lee Eisenbarth)Connect with Lee on LinkedInPrint Magazine / Headspace Brand ArticleFocus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.STAY IN TOUCH:Newsletter: https://focuslab.agency/subscribeLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/focus-lab-llcInstagram: @focuslabllc Looking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

08-13
34:31

The Debrief: Inside Totango’s M&A Rebrand and Bold Brand Activation

Totango’s CMO Karen Budell joins Focus Lab’s Bill Kenney to unpack how bold branding choices and a tight internal team led to a rebrand that didn’t just look good — it worked.From aligning internal cultures to creating a booth activation that got people talking, Karen shares tactical insights and strategic takeaways that any B2B leader navigating brand change can apply.In this episode, you’ll hear:The role a small, empowered team plays in driving rebrand successHow honest feedback (and base jumping) sparked a bold creative pivot mid-projectBehind the scenes insights from Totango’s booth activation — and why it workedWhy upholding the brief is one of the CMO’s most critical rolesAnd so much more!🔗 Learn more about Focus Lab’s branding approach here.Episode Resources:👉 View the new Totango brand in action👉 Totango <> Focus Lab case study👉 Check out the communities Karen is a part of:PavilionWomen in RevenueCMO Coffee Talk---Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.---FOLLOW US: ► Podcast: https://anchor.fm/focuslab► Instagram: @focuslabllc ► LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/focus-lab-llc► Dribbble: https://dribbble.com/focuslab ► Web: https://focuslab.agencyLooking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

06-24
31:18

The ROI of B2B Brand: From Creative Investment to Business Impact — In Conversation with Sergio Claudio

Brand isn't just a creative exercise — it’s a product that drives ROI.Back for his third appearance on the Focus on Brand podcast, Sergio Claudio (ex-Adobe, Marketo, Zuora) joins us to challenge how organizations perceive and measure creativity. Is it just a cost center—or a powerful growth engine?In this episode, Sergio unpacks how creative work can (and should) drive business outcomes. From C-suite blockers to strategic alignment, we cover how to elevate creative teams from "make it pretty" to make it perform.What we cover:🔹 Why creativity is still misunderstood in many orgs🔹 Common executive roadblocks—and how to address them🔹 How to align creative efforts with real business goals🔹 Tactical ways to integrate brand moments into the customer journeyWhether you're a brand leader, CMO, or creative looking to make a bigger impact, this episode is packed with clarity, inspiration, and action.---Episode Resources:Marketo <> Focus Lab Case StudyThe Marketo Debrief with Sergio Claudio & Sarah Kennedy EllisZuora <> Focus Lab Case StudyThe Zuora Debrief with Sergio Claudio---Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves.---FOLLOW US: ► Instagram► LinkedIn► Dribbble ► WebsiteLooking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

05-13
44:37

The Debrief: An Open-Minded Rebrand with MessageGears

In our latest episode of The Debrief, we're sitting down with MessageGears VP of Marketing, Will Devlin. After 10 years with the same logo, the MessageGears team's rebrand mantra was "anywhere but here" — and their rebrand project benefited greatly from that mindset. Will and Bill touch on so many important topics such as: The inflection point for the MessageGears rebrand The challenge of the unknown when entering a brand project The benefits of setting expectations when committing to something new The importance of a strong strategy in a rebrand And so much more! You won't want to miss this episode. Will and his team were a highlight of our year and being able to debrief with him was the cherry on top! P.S. Don't forget to like + subscribe. --- Episode Resources: MessageGears / Focus Lab Case Study Sydney Sloan/Salesloft Debrief Episode More info on Conquer Your Rebrand --- Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves. --- FOLLOW US: ►Podcast: https://anchor.fm/focuslab ►Instagram: @focuslabllc ►LinkedIn: / focus-lab-llc ►Dribbble: https://dribbble.com/focuslab ►Web: https://focuslab.agency Looking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

12-03
36:52

The Debrief: A Data-Driven Rebrand with Cadmium

In our latest episode of The Debrief, we're sitting down with Cadmium's marketing director, Jessie Reyes—and she brings as much data as she does passion to this conversation. Jessie and Bill touch on so many important topics such as: 👉 The lead-driven reasoning behind Cadmiums rebrand 👉 The benefits of working with an "A" Team agency 👉 The importance of leadership championing a rebrand 👉 How brand architecture played a role in the rebrand ROI 👉 And so much more! For all of our marketing subscribers, this is a can't miss episode. Jessie shoots it straight and gives invaluable advice for anyone entering into their own rebrand project. --- Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves. --- FOLLOW US: ►Podcast: https://anchor.fm/focuslab ►Instagram: @focuslabllc ►LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/focus-lab-llc ►Dribbble: https://dribbble.com/focuslab ►Web: https://focuslab.agency Looking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

11-05
41:34

The Debrief: Digging into Irwin's Brand Refresh

In this episode of The Debrief, we're sitting down with Irwin's VP of Marketing, Melissa Homère, and digging into their team's experience working alongside Focus Lab to level up their existing brand. Irwin had an innovative product and a respected brand, but recognized that they were in need of a refresh to get organized, strategic, and elevated. In our conversation, we touch on everything from: 👉 Verbalizing the importance of a rebrand to the larger team 👉 The importance of strategy in their rebrand effort 👉 Quantifying the ROI of the rebrand after just a few months And so much more! Additional Resources: Focus Lab <> Irwin Case Study Irwin Article: Boldly Forward, Introducing Our New Brand Focus Lab is an established B2B brand agency that believes, without question, that the most successful companies are the ones who invest in branding. Focus Lab creates transformative B2B brands that resonate with their customers and stand out as industry leaders. Through a proven process and a shared commitment to create unforgettable experiences, we develop true partnerships that help B2B brands become their boldest, most original selves. --- FOLLOW US: ►Podcast: https://anchor.fm/focuslab ►Instagram: @focuslabllc ►LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/focus-lab-llc ►Dribbble: https://dribbble.com/focuslab ►Web: https://focuslab.agency Looking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@focuslab.agency

10-01
28:51

The Debrief: Brand Architecture + Zapier Acquisition with NoCodeOps

In this episode of The Debrief, we are sitting down with our pal Philip Lakin, former CEO and co-founder of NoCodeOps. What do we mean by former, you ask? Well, a few weeks back our friends at NoCodeOps were acquired by "their favorite player in the space" — Zapier. Focus Lab CEO, Bill Kenney, sits down with Phil to relive their rebrand experience with us from two years ago and discuss how the brand has helped get them to where they are today. They touch on topics such as: 👉 The strategy behind making tough brand architecture decisions 👉 The success behind a community-based approach as a SaaS company 👉 How the brand investment helped with the Zapier acquisition And so much more! --- NoCodeOps / Zapier Acquisition Press Release: https://www.nocodeops.com/zapier NoCodeOps Case Study: https://focuslab.agency/work/nocodeops

09-10
38:36

In Conversation: Category Design, Brand Narratives, and Beyond with John Rougeux

Join us in our latest episode of In Conversation as we chat with John Rougeux — founder of Flag & Frontier, a company that specializes in narrative design and execution. In this episode, John and host Bill Kenney break down various category design strategies, discuss how to find c-suite alignment without taking away autonomy from the larger team, dig into what the right mindset is to have when approaching a big brand change, and so much more. Whether you're a business owner, marketer, or creative we think you'll find some valuable insights from John! --- Learn more about Flag & Frontier: 👉 https://www.flagandfrontier.com/ Subscribe to John's newsletter, The Narrative Field Guide: 👉 https://www.narrativefieldguide.com/subscribe

08-20
39:15

In Conversation: B2B Brand Marketing with Palmer Houchins - G2's Head of Marketing

Calling all B2B marketing professionals out there — our latest episode of In Conversation is not one you'll want to skip. Today we're sitting down with Palmer Houchins, currently Head of Marketing at G2 (maybe you'v heard of it). In our latest episode, Palmer and Bill dive into Palmer's early days at MailChimp, the tricky science of measuring brand ROI, the future of B2B marketing, and so much more! A huge thank you to Palmer for joining us on the podcast and for sharing so many nuggets of wisdom. Resources: 2030 B2B Trends Report from the LinkedIn B2B Institute Exit Five B2B Marketing Community Palmer's LinkedIn Post on B2B Branding

07-24
39:20

The Debrief: PolyAI

As an AI company who was building their premium product well before the big AI boom, PolyAI recognized that their previous brand did not represent the level of power and maturity they had achieved — it was time to level up. It was a pleasure to have Kylie Whitehead, Senior Director of Marketing and Brand at PolyAI, sit down with Focus Lab CEO Bill Kenney to reflect on their rebrand project with our team. Tune is as they discuss PolyAI's choice to reposition their company prior to finding a rebrand partner, the major benefits of transparency in a rebrand project, the importance of getting your C-suite on board, and so much more. Click here to view more of our work with PolyAI.

07-09
46:45

The Debrief: Illoominus

Rewind to 2022 when we were still gearing up for Odi, our sister agency purpose-built for startups. In order to drum up some excitement, we ran a giveaway — a free brand project for one lucky (soon-to-be) client. The winner of that giveaway was no other than Noelle London, founder and CEO of Illoominus, a company focused on simplifying HR tech stacks in order to transform organizations into people-first workplaces. Tune in to our latest episode as Noelle and Bill sit down to discuss how it felt to be the first ever Odi project, how the B2B landscape is becoming more humanized, and Noelle's approach to making brand decisions that would grow with her business goals. View the full Illoominus case study Learn more about what Noelle + team are doing at Illoominus

06-26
44:23

In Conversation: Naming Lucid (and Beyond) with Lexicon Branding

We're back at it again with David Placek, founder of Lexicon Branding. This time we dive into the idea of sustainability in when it comes to brand naming, specifically focusing on Lexicon's role in naming Lucid, a luxury EV car, as well as Mainspring, Subaru Outback, and beyond! You don't want to miss this episode as we get into the weeds of creating value through brand names, the approach behind brand naming, and David's excellent advice for founders in the process of choosing their company's name (we promise it's not "call Lexicon"). Learn more about Lexicon Branding: https://www.lexiconbranding.com/

06-06
28:52

The Debrief: Investing in Brand w/ Ryan Masuga

Get excited: we've got a brand new Odi Debrief episode! Odi is a B2B brand agency built from the team at Focus Lab specifically to serve early-stage startups. You won't want to miss this episode as we sit down with Ryan Masuga, owner of Masuga, a web development company that has been around for 17 years and recently made the bold and brave decision to rethink their brand after a hard economic year for so many service-based businesses. Tune is as Ryan and Bill discuss what Ryan's approach to investing in brand, his best advice for founders considering a brand investment, how impactful the new brand has been for his business even after just two months. Check out the Masuga case study: https://odibrand.agency/work/masuga Learn more about Masuga: https://www.gomasuga.com/ Resources mentioned in this episode: The Bureau of Digital: https://bureauofdigital.com/ Conquer Your Rebrand: https://conqueryourrebrand.com/ --- Odi is a B2B brand agency serving the unique demands of early-stage startups. Created by the global brand experts at Focus Lab. https://odibrand.agency Looking for a brand agency? We would love to hear from you. Email us: hello@odibrand.agency

05-22
52:11

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