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Fraudish is a podcast to help those working in fraud. Hosted by Kelly Paxton, Certified Fraud Examiner, Private Investigator, and Pink Collar Crime Expert. Kelly is a former special agent turned investigator specializing in embezzlement and workplace dishonesty cases. Fraudish interviews outstanding fraud professionals so you can continue to move forward in your career. Origin stories, tips, resources are just some of the amazing fraud content you will hear each Tuesday. 

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This week on Fraudish Kelly speaks to Jim Vogt about Fraud and Pop Culture and guess what?  He teaches a class with an assignment of "At the Movies?"  Make sure to check out the Fraud Leadership Summit to dive deep into the realm of fraud prevention with 12 of the industry's most respected experts. Happening Thursday, March 28th! Book here: Fraud Leadership Summit 2024Jim Vogt is an adjunct professor teaching graduate courses in Fraud Examination, Forensic Accounting, Fraud Auditing, White Collar Fraud and Financial Crimes, and Interview Techniques/Legal Aspects of Fraud. He is the CEO and Founder of the Fraud Prevention Institute, helping guide executives, employees, and accounting professionals in fraud prevention, detection, and risk assessment.  Jim is a John Maxwell Certified Leadership Coach, Trainer, and Speaker. Links: Jim Vogt on LinkedinFraud Leadership Summit 2024
Sophia Carlton, CFE returns to Fraudish! Sophia was one of the OGs in Great Women in Fraud appearing in episode 3.  Are you just getting into the professional area of fraud? Or are you a bit lost in where to go? This is the episode for you! Kelly and Sophia talk all about finding your path and the ways you can find your niche in the fraud space. Sophia is a seasoned fraud risk management executive with extensive experience in best-in-class fraud risk assessments, fraud operations, internal and external fraud investigations, developing and implementing enterprise-level anti-fraud strategies, and standing up fraud risk management programs in complex environments. Show Notes;Sophia's LinkedinSophia's NewsletterLast time on Fraudish
Have you ever been under a lie detector? Well if you've met this week's guest, then you have been under a Human Lie Detector! This week on Fraudish Kelly speaks with her friend Nejolla Korris who is an international expert in the field of Linguistic Lie Detection and Cybersecurity - Social Engineering and Social Media Risk. In the episode we get into why our children lie, how we taught them, why introductions matter, how people react to being with a lie detector, and so much more! Nejolla is the Chief Executive Officer at Interveritas International. Korris has analyzed documents for fraud, international security, arson, sexual assault, homicide, and missing persons' cases, causing some of her clients to dub her the "Human Lie Detector." She has worked with Singapore police, FBI & cold case units of Scotland Yard and Irish Garda as well as several other law enforcement agencies. She introduced the methodology to the business community helping train professionals in detecting deception and honing interview skills. Links: Nejolla's Linkedin InveritasInveritas Course
Have you every felt like a big fool after you got taken advantage of? Haven't we all! But don't worry because there are reasons for why we are all fooled and what we can do to prevent it.  This week on Fraudish Kelly speaks with Dan Simons and Chris Chabris who are experts in why and how people are fooled and how to prevent it. Chris and Dan have written Nobody's Fool: Why We Get Taken In and What We Can Do About It. This book is a must have in the Fraudish offical library!  Simons is a professor at the Department of Psychology at the University of Illinois.  Chabris is a cognitive scientist who has taught at Union College and Harvard University.  Links:Daniel Simons LinkedinChirstopher ChabrisNobody's Fool bookThe Invisible Gorillahttp://www.chabris.com/Youtube Video The Lab DecoyPersona The French Deception Podcast
Do you wake up at night in cold sweats worried you are going to be audited? Well our guest this week on Fraudish is here to make sure that auditor is the best they can be. This week on Fraudish, Kelly is delighted to be joined by her friend Robery Berry aka That Audit Guy.  Robert Berry helps auditors become awesome through kick butt training courses, mentoring programs, publications, live shows and podcasts. His goal is to help bring out the best in auditors so that they can stop checking the box and start helping to drive exceptional business outcomes.Links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/berryrobert/https://thatauditguy.com/https://thatauditguy.com/auditbites/
Have you been interviewing for jobs recently and noticed the "Hunger Games Hiring" environment of today? Or have you been out of the job hunt for a long time but you're curious about how its changed in recent history? This Fraudish episode is full of insights on interviews and hiring and lots of fun! Nora Buns is the Undercover Candidate and she refers to today's environment as "Hunger Games Hiring". Do you agree?  Do you always use a hotel safe? You will after this episode.  And can you even imagine having your fortune cookie as an advertisement? Listen in for so much funShow notes:https://www.linkedin.com/in/noraburns/https://www.theleadershipexperts.com/https://seinfeld.fandom.com/wiki/Vandelay_Industries
This week on Fraudish, Kelly speaks with Brian Watson, who has decades of experience in financial crimes. Most recently, he has transitioned into non-profit work in preventing elder financial scams and abuse. If you have an elder loved one, this episode is especially important, as we discuss how to prevent and report financial crimes against the elderly. Especially as these scams are getting more and more sophisticated every day. Brian spent 28 years in Federal Law Enforcement investigating financial crimes as a Special Agent with IRS Criminal Investigation. He spent much of that time as a Public Information Officer warning the public about financial related scams. He was so impressed by R.O.S.E., he decided to join the team. As a Community Outreach Specialist, Brian partners with the media, law enforcement, and others to share the great work done by R.O.S.E.Links:Brian Watson on LinkedinR.O.S.E. Advocacy
You MUST read this book by this week's guest, Zeke Faux. Number Go Up is a fantastic read for all things crypto.  Zeke takes us through the various parts of crypto from APE parties to Southeast Asia and of course SBF aka Sam Bankman Fried.  I can't believe this is his first book.  Show notes: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zekefaux/https://twitter.com/ZekeFauxhttps://zekefaux.com/https://www.yepokayeebo.com/https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a44653282/anansis-gold-excerpt-john-ackah-blay-miezah-con/https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/08/23/anansis-gold-examines-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-con-artists
As the year of 2023 is coming to a close I wanted to say thank you to all of my listeners and give you plenty of content and resources to look at as we move into a new year. I look forward to more of Fraudish in 2024! Send me a message with what your favorite episode was this year and let me know any fraud resources you love. Happy Holidays and a Happy New year!Links to Resources:Frank Perri episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-119-frank-perri-white-collar-criminals-101/id1530413097?i=1000616884544Pivot Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719From Hostage to Hero: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/from-hostage-to-hero/id1347286418Behavioral Grooves: https://behavioralgrooves.com/Human Risk Podcast: https://www.humanriskpodcast.com/episodes/Ghost Herd: https://www.ghostherd.org/Catch me if you can lies: https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/catch-me-if-you-can-conman-frank-abagnale-lied-about-his-lies/Abby Ellin: https://www.abbyellin.com/articlesNumber Go Up: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/711959/number-go-up-by-zeke-faux/Eduardo Briceño: https://briceno.com/Patrick Radden Keefe: https://www.patrickraddenkeefe.com/ His visit to Portland area high school on NPR: https://www.opb.org/article/2023/02/21/author-patrick-radden-keefe-at-lincoln-high-school/Fraudish Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lDqQi0j743VA6hubM3Zu6?si=1512411d99c24569&nd=1&dlsi=9ea45653e685486c CU Fight Fraud Spotify playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5kjEx61osAQaGY9lHVYTlQ Fraud Retreat: https://www.auditconsultingeducation.com/fraudretreat/April Rinne, Flux. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6BNyTPCOBQxuyhrTXFjoCD
This week Kelly speaks with Christina Lekati,  Social Engineering Security Specialist, Open-Source Intelligence Analyst, BlackHat Trainer, and Keynote Speaker. We zoomed "across the pond" all the way to Germany to speak with Christina about all things OSINT and the real repercussions of fraud on innocent (and not so innocent) people. Links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christina-lekati-social-engineering/https://www.osintcurio.us/https://www.cyber-risk-gmbh.com/https://www.chasehughes.com/opshttps://inteltechniques.com/book1.html
On this week's episode of Fraudish, Kelly speaks with Austin Harris, CFE and CFCI, who got into the fraud world by accident. Austin, like Kelly, started his career in law enforcement and stumbled into the world of financial crimes and fraud. Austin is passionate about preventing fraud and helping the victims of fraud.  Show notes: Connect with Austin on LinkedinBad Fraud Advice NewsletterAbout FraudInequality in EmbezzlementDavid Weber Behavioral AccotantScience Proves Kelly Right Episode
Dr. Emily Homer, ACFE, returns to Fraudish for an update on her career, projects with the ACFE and so much more related to fraud and criminology. Listen to the full episode for some valuable points on legal treatment of white collar criminals, the real impact of financial crime, and how we use pop culture to teach fraud. Dr. Homer is a graduate of the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of Louisville. She is currently a Research Specialist with the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners. Her academic research focuses on theoretical explanations of financial crime with an eye toward prevention and detection. She hopes to help bridge the gap between scholars and practitioners and create financial crime work that will benefit both groups. Her publications have appeared in the Journal of White-Collar and Corporate Crime, Journal of Financial Crime, and Criminal Justice Policy Review, among others. Show Notes:Dr. Emily Homer Linkedin
This week on Fraudish we hear from Kathy Enstron, Director of Investigations-Moore Tax Law Group, on her different career moves in the fraud space. Kathy had a 26 year career as a federal law enforcement officer for IRS-CI.  Take a listen to her amazing career and pivot to the defense side.  She was the first woman to lead the Chicago IRS CI.  Now she has retired from the government and is working with the defense.  But as you know everyone deserves a defense and who better to represent you when it comes to tax cases especially.  Show Notes: Kathy's LinkedinMoore Tax Law GroupKathy at Moore Chicago attorney sentenced to federal prison on false statement and tax offenses in connection with funds received from failed bank | Internal Revenue ServiceGet CaponeSay Anything with John Cusack
An incredibly important and relevant discussion regarding sex/human trafficking from an expert in sex trafficking.  A 25 year career at the Phoenix Police Department.  Heidi now provides actionable, relevant training for many industries and professionals. Links: Heidi Chance on LinkedinChance ConsultingSex Trafficking in AmericaHuman Trafficking ConferenceSex Trafficking Awareness with Heidi Chance of A Chance For Awareness
This week on Fraudish Kelly chats with Diana Ngo on all things business intelligence, deal intelligence for mergers and acquisitions, and how intelligence is essential for when things in business and deal making goes wrong. We also chat about why Diana is happy she didn't become a lawyer and how cultural differences impact investigations. Enjoy the episode! Links:Diana on LinkedinDiana on Twitter
This week on Fraudish we hear from Rob Gardner of Robert Gardner and Associates who specialize in public records and helping Forensic Accountants and Consultants find where the paper trail ends. Listen to this episode to learn more about how to find and utilize public records in investigations. Rob is here to help us be better fraud professionals! Links:Rob's LinkedinRob's TwitterManage RisksBig DataCasino
This week on Fraudish Kelly chats with Michael Reddington, a CFI, to discuss how gender, age and culture impact interrogations. Also we touch on the books that have impacted his career. As Michaels says, the best leaders and the best interrogators capitalize on the same two core skills: vision and influence. The cognitive process that leads suspects to commit to saying “I did it”, employees to commit to saying “I’ll do it” and prospects to commit to saying “I’ll buy it” are essentially identical. Listen ahead for a great discussion with Michael! Links:Michael Reddington LinkedinMichael Reddington Twitterhttps://disciplinedlistening.com/I See What You're Saying PodcastBooks that Mike likes:DupedNonverbal Communication: Science and ApplicationsMemory-Enhancing Techniques for Investigative Interviewing
This week on Fraudish, Kelly talks to Linda Miller, Founder & CEO, Audient Group, on how she got into finding and fighting fraud in the government. Linda talks about how she struggled past government bureaucracy to create a study and guide for how agencies should manage fraud risks that led to the writing of the Fraud Reduction and Data Analytics Act that was unanimously passed. She also discusses how she go a front row seat the the absolute perfect storm of fraud that happened during the pandemic. If you are interested in preventing fraud in the government then this is the episode for you! Links Mentioned: https://www.linkedin.com/in/miller-linda-s/https://audientgroup.com/https://www.oliverburkeman.com/https://frankonfraud.com/https://www.fincen.gov/suspicious-activity-reports-sarshttps://www.pandemicoversight.gov/
This week on Fraudish Kelly speaks to Peter Taylor aka The Fraud Guy. Peter specializes in  fraud risk and system improvement reviews, audits, training, events, articles, research, and investigation. Peter has wanted to work in fraud since he was 7 years old after watching some crime and fraud related TV shows! He began his career at the Greater Manchester Police and went on to be the Head of Fraud for Major Loss Adjusters. Please enjoy this episode where we talk all things fraud and ethics! 
This week Kelly is joined from all the way across the pond with Claire Maillet, or as you may know her, "The Lord of Fraud." We discuss her stellar branding as a fraud professional and her journey to become the Lord of Fraud. If you are looking for how to improve your Linkedin presence, implement branding in your fraud professional life, and the presence of fraud in the Fintech space, then this is the episode for you! Connect with Claire on Linkedin. 
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Shawn Clark

I like how she talks about the career transition in fraud investigations once you move up to becoming a manager. It's beneficial to hear someone else forgo that upward transition in favor of doing cases. Hearing that legitimized is helpful. Moving up to management often means you don't get to do cases anymore. If that's what you love, it's good to hear that it doesn't follow that because you don't become a manager, it doesn't mean you can't progress as an investigator. Love the podcasts- Thanks!

Mar 29th
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Shawn Clark

Another great podcast Kelly! I love a good check kite too. But investigating- not committing it. Always a good clarification to make!

Aug 7th
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Shawn Clark

As a fraud fighter in the banking/ consumer credit space, I almost never get to hear a fraudster's insights. Listened to every minute of this. Thank you!

May 2nd
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Shawn Clark

This is a great podcast. They address how some investigators will actually help others now as opposed to holding their cards to their chest which was the environment when I started. Some things that make my anti-fraud life easier, actually came from tips I received from fellow investigators. I'm learning it's ok to share sometimes. I'd like to help other investigators if I can. I'm naturally curious and like learning new things. Compliance and fraud investigations often overlap, whether it's BSA, KYC, etc. Thanks for another great podcast Kelly.

Jan 16th
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Shawn Clark

This is my favorite episode so far! My dad is a retired professor of dentistry. He went to a dental conference where the speaker was an FBI agent. The agent's presentation was on the vulnerability of a dental practice with regards to embezzlement. A dentist is busy with patients. They don't have time to look at their books; they're busy with patients.The FBI agent showed the pitfalls of leaving the bookeeping to someone else. Most of the dentists leaving after the presentation looked pale, shocked and worried! They just never thought....

Jan 4th
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Shawn Clark

This hits home. I'm female, Gen X, laid off due to COVID and trying to redirect my career back into fraud. It's scary w/no income, but something good will happen. (I hope!) I was also told "Be a good girl and..." In my caeeer I've been told, "I wouldn't give your opinion in meetings if it's not what the boss wants" "You're negative, passive aggressive, etc." I've been thrown under the bus in front of my boss. No one is perfect. I may have been some of those things, but it's good to hear I can still succeed anyway.

Dec 15th
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Shawn Clark

I'm glad she mentioned "imposter syndrome." It happens to a lot of us at some point in our careers. It's good to hear from successful women who have pushed through that fear and succeeded.

Dec 7th
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Shawn Clark

I agree with her preference for flat fee vs. the six minute increments. I found it almost impossible to accurately track my time while working on different client cases in a fast paced environment with frequent interruptions.

Nov 14th
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