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A WKNC 88.1 HD-1/HD-2 spinoff of the blog series 'let's talk music' with special guests leading the discussion
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In The Heights, by Lin-Manuel Miranda, is a musical that's hit close to home for me and my fiance Ela Perez. We both fell in love with the movie for it's relatable characters, cultural themes, comedy, memorable music, and it's sense of community. In this podcast, we discuss each song in depth and give our personal connections to the story. What's your favorite in the heights song?Mentioned in this Episode:In the heightsGet Psyched YouTube To learn more about the Get Psyched Mission:You can Get Psyched on...InstagramTwitterFacebookYoutube Checkout my friend and fellow creator PME On Spotify(Producer PME has given me permission to use his beat '300k' as the Get Psyched intro/outro beat)
Mentioned in this Episode:Jonah's blog: https://jonahaangeles.medium.com/Jonah's podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2dU930a...Jonah's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/channelsurfcinema/ To learn more about the Get Psyched Mission:You can Get Psyched on...InstagramTwitterFacebookYoutubeCheck out my friend and fellow creator PME On Spotify(Producer PME has given me permission to use his beat '300k' as the Get Psyched intro/outro beat)EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:Provided by Otter.aiDJ Psyched  0:07  I'm DJ Psyched, and you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. Let's Get Psyched together.I'm DJ Psyched, you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. And today we're getting psyched with Jonah, we're gonna be talking a bit about writing. So just to start things off, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do, and specifically, I guess what you do with writing,Jonah Angeles  0:32  okay, my name is Jonah. I do a lot of things. Writing being one of them, one of my favorite things to do, I publish on medium. So I do poetry and nonfiction pieces. And yeah, I really enjoy writing. It's one of my passions, it sounds really cliche to say that but you know, as a writer, it's important to, to be passionate, I think. And to imbue your work with that passion, because that's where the good stuff is. And I write about anything and everything. on medium I've been writing about, you know, experiences at university, kind of like, pseudo memoir, stuff, I shouldn't say pseudo, like, kinda like memoir stuff, non creative nonfiction pieces, about my time at university to, you know, photography, which is another one of my hobbies. Also, I read about aliens. I've written two articles about aliens. And I'm not some kind of conspiracy theorist. I guess some people might label me that, but I don't want to get lumped into a niche. So I very intentionally write about various subjects. Which I mean, could also be a disadvantage for, for me as a writer on medium because I think it is important to find a niche, or find some, just some comfort zone or some, some field or domain that your readers will expect. It gives your readers something to expect from you, I guess. But with me and, you know, knowing me and my various interests and my ADHD, it's impossible to fixate on one thing, or to stay on one topic for a long period of time. As you probably know. Quite a, quite a divergent thinker. And I jump from one topic to another. And that definitely shows with my writing. But I guess what ties it all together is that I try to write from, from my voice. And that's something I've developed for years is a unique style and a unique voice. Otherwise, what separates my writing from everybody else's writing, right? It's, it's my style and my voice that I've developed over, over years.DJ Psyched  3:15  Nice. And you wanted to say a little bit more about the multi disciplinary aspect, cuz I think that's pretty big for how your writing ends up being. Because I think when you are multi disciplinary, and you do a lot of different things, it kind of shows through in your writing.Jonah Angeles  3:31  Yeah, um on medium, which is, you know, the good thing about publications, or platforms like medium, I don't want to call medium a publication because it's more so a platform for publications and for published writing, and self publishing. I can add images, and header images, and, you know, body images or like images into the body of the text of an article. And oftentimes, they're my own photos and my own graphics that I've designed for the article. So it makes it more my own thing, I guess. And it makes it more of a product of, of, of my multiple disciplines that I practice. So as I mentioned, I'm into photography as well. I'm into Visual Art and graphic design. And I'm also a podcaster I have my own podcast Overthinker's Anonymous. And I shout out my articles on on my podcast. So I guess my, my published works are linked in a way and it's nice to have multiple platforms too, like Instagram, and a medium account, and a Twitter and the Facebook where you can link to all these multiple works. I don't know it's it's nice to have that um, The thing that ties them together, that aspect of it that ties them together, makes them exist in relation to each other. So that it's it's like I'm creating, like a network of works. Or a world maybe, if that doesn't sound too grandiose?DJ Psyched  5:20  No, yeah, no, I completely understand because I think we're very similar in all those aspects like, I definitely am a writer myself, but I don't only write like, I just couldn't either. I don't think I could stop myself in doing just one thing, like I considered briefly to cut myself from the podcasting world so that I could focus on my writing. And I just couldn't do it. Like, I just couldn't give it up. I enjoy doing it too much. And I think that, with that, I end up like, if I pick something up, because I'm very prone to picking up a new kind of art, or whatever, instead of replacing the old stuff, I've learned to just kind of make like everything connected in its own ways. And I think in that way, we're kind of similar, because my podcast and my website and everything, it's all under a similar name. And it's kind of become like a theme, in a sense, although everything is very different. I try to tie it together. So would you say that everything that you do your podcast, the writing, anything else you create, is it all? Like you said, it's like a world so it's all it's all connected, right? Is what you're saying? Like, it's not like, these are separate things that you're trying to do? You're trying to make it one big thing that do you see as a reflection of yourself, do you see as a mission or something, because I kind of see mine as a very small reflection of myself, because obviously, it's not 100%. me, but I like to think that it's also a mission. So like, with your world, what are you trying to create, exactly, do you know?Jonah Angeles  6:44  I don't know exactly. Because I feel like they're all reflections of me. But they're not. As you said, there, there may be partial reflection reflections, they're not like the whole me. I don't want to define myself by what I do. By my work. I've said that many times in the past, that I'm not trying to establish my identity through my through my work. I guess I'm just trying to, like we said on on my podcast on episode 10 of Overthinker's Anonymous, we kind of ended off on the note that the meaning of life is to create something that lasts. So I think that's kind of what I'm trying to do. I, I guess the real answer is, though, that I don't think about it too much. I just do things and I, I don't think about the big picture as much as I think about, you know, what I, every single thing that I do, I put 100% of myself into it. But I don't think about my entire legacy, or my entire body of work as being one thing or one world. But I guess it's my, my content, like, my footprint, or my my I how would you? my garden, maybe my online, online garden of work. Because it sounds better than body of work. It sounds more glamorous, I think having a garden of work. And with a garden, you can have multiple different types of flowers blossoming. And the conditions have to be right, right? The temperature has to be right. You tend to it. And I don't know, I think it's important to revisit it and not just, you know, frivolously throw things out into the void and see what sticks. You know what I mean? I think it's important to preserve what you what you've made, and enjoy what you made and share what you've made. Yeah, because I feel like we live in we live in a world where it's all about content creation, content creation, content creation. And it seems the trend seems to be that you, you make stuff and you just throw it out there and you just kind of forget about it. And you're on to the next thing. That's something I don't necessarily buy when is just like, I believe that these things should last. And if you're not making things that last, you're making things that are just, you know, going to get your attention for maybe five minutes. And then it's on to the next thing and you forget about that Tik Tok or, you forget about that tweet. You know, I don't know I maybe I'm maybe I'm putting too much value into every single piece that I make. But I believe that, you know, we're creating things that are going to be there are going to outlast us. So that's what I have in mind is, you know, the future like posterity. How am I going to be perceived by future generations, by my children, and my children's children, if I have children, or like, by, by by The future. How is the future gonna perceive me? How are, how are the aliens gonna, gonna perceive me? You know, like, what are they going to infer about the life I lived and the kind of person that I was, you know, where my mind wandered? You know, the things I thought about? what I studied? You know, what I dealt with in life? Whatever I've been through?DJ Psyched  10:30  Yeah, that definitely makes sense. And I guess what I'm wondering is then, as a writer, like, do you have any certain goals for yourself? Like, maybe not like in the sense of like, Oh, well, I don't know, in the sense that you like you said, You like to make things that last and are meaningful, do you have any very specific goals? Because I know that you've talked about different writing projects that you worked on? I think you talked about it when we did the podcast together. So is there anything like you would really love to do like, I mean, personally, I read somewhere in a book once, a book I really love, that they said, like writing a book is one of the best things that you could do for yourself and preserving your legacy. Is that something that you also think as a writer, like long bodies of works?Jonah Angeles  11:13  Oh, yeah. 100%. I'm writing a book, fiction science fiction novel. And it's kind of on one level, it's, it's a dystopian, utopian/dystopian, or, as Margaret Atwood would call it Ustpopian novel. But on another level, it's it's kind of a allegorical autobiography, especially Book Three, part three. I don't want to spoil too much, but like, Part Three mirrors a lot of my life. And it gets very real, I guess it gets very personal. Even though the character isn't necessarily me, it's, it's kind of like an avatar for me. And I do have an avatar in the novel, like, one of my main characters, William, William Blue, is essentially, who I would be in that world had I existed in that world that I'm writing in, that I'm writing about in the year 2033. Yeah, he's, he's essentially just... Oh can you hear me?DJ Psyched  12:21  Yeah.Jonah Angeles  12:23  He's essentially just a mirror of me, I guess, but not not. Again, like we said earlier, a partial mirror, not, not a whole reflection of who I am. And he's definitely not one to one, a one to one translation of, of my personality. He's definitely his own being his own character. And he's got his own personality. But I feel like if you were to study this novel, that I'm writing, if you were to analyze it, you'd probably be able to pick out a lot of my life, and, you know, my experiences within the novel. So I think that's just been my goal for a long time is writing is writing this novel? I've been writing it since I was 19. So it's about eight years in the making. And yeah, it's it's kind of like, a mirror of my life, but not really. So an allegorical autobiography, as I said, and yeah, it's a lot about a lot of it is about finding yourself too and figuring it out figuring out this whole life thing in in a larger than life world with larger than life characters. But um, yeah, that's basically the gist of it.DJ Psyched  13:51  Yeah, well, that's awesome. I think I've done very similarly with my writings actually had this weird thing for a while, where every short story I wrote the main character's name started with an L, just because mine does like almost all of my main characters from anything that I wrote, like in college, their name started with an L. And I felt like I always put a part of myself into the characters, I feel like that kind of made them more real to me, and made me resonate with the story more. So I guess what I want to ask you is what would you say you write for? Because personally, when I write, I think my writing becomes one, reflection for myself. Like, I feel like there's so many times that I've started writing and just had grand epiphany is why I stand by writing and I love to write, like, whether I post the writing or not, sometimes I'll just journal to write for myself. So I think like writing for me is like a sense of reflection, but it's also a form of expression and trying to explain myself to others. So what inspired you to start writing and what do you see writing as for you like, what, what is writing to you?Jonah Angeles  14:56  Oh, yeah, I was really well put. I'm going to steal some of your words and say reflection and expression. Because like, yeah, reflection, like through journaling, and through like my own just free writing or like sometimes I do poetry, free writing poetry. It's a way to externalize your thoughts, right? It's a way to look into your, your minds activity, or like, look into the information that's passing through your mind. And processing it in a way where you can reflect on it and even analyze it in a way that's different from just thinking about your thoughts. There's something about writing something down and then actually viewing it from an outsider's perspective or like, even from the audience, an audience perspective. Because really, when you're journaling, you're your own audience, and you're writing for yourself. And, yeah, it's just a way for me to reflect and I guess, better understand myself better better understand the workings of my own mind. It's also on another side it's expression. So it's a way for me to, I guess, express myself as simple as that. No reason to overcomplicate it further than self expression. And creating something beautiful, creating something meaningful, insightful, entertaining. I love to entertain and, I guess, provoke thoughts and provoke feelings or evoke feelings and people evoke feelings of beauty. For me, writing is also about the the artistic, the artistic arrangement of words. I really love, you know, literary authors like Oscar Wilde. Nabokov, like and then poets like William Blake, Edgar Allan Poe, and like, those are just a handful of many, many authors that inspire me to create beautiful language. And there's so many ways language can be beautiful. You can write about you know, love, you can write about nature, you can write about sci fi, or even dark, Gothic, grotesque things, and still make it poetic and beautiful. For me, personally, I like to find the middle ground between poetry and prose. And one of the articles that I posted on medium called Welcome to your life now in Ultra HD, which I had a feeling that you were gonna bring this up anyway. But like that article experiments with like poetic prose with like, short, punchy paragraphs that are, um, you know, like, brevity is the soul of wit, like Oscar Wilde says, so like their brief punchy thoughts that express a lot with very little. And the whole article is a 14 minute read, but it's just full of those punchy thoughts. You know what I mean? And I feel like it makes it more easy to consume too, especially in today's world where the short form is more favored, I guess, you know?DJ Psyched  18:52  Yeah. Jonah Angeles  18:54  And that's why I like to write more like just punchy, punchy sentences, rather than long form paragraphs. But I don't want to pigeonhole myself into that kind of writing either. I do write long paragraphs too. It's just depends on the article and wherever the article needs. And whatever the individual each individual paragraph needs, right? Like to bring it back to the topic though. Writing is just about reflection and artistic expression to me, personal reflection, introspection. And yeah, and then expression, reflection and expression. That's my answer.DJ Psyched  19:41  Yeah, and, I mean, I think that's like what a lot of like art is, is like expression and reflection. So is writing one of like you said, it's like one of your big things, what made  writing so specifically, a thing to focus on. I know you do a lot of things, but you do, you were very passionate. You were very passionate about talking about writing. So I'm wondering, what is it specifically about writing that entices you. And what maybe inspired you to choose writing is something to really focus on?Jonah Angeles  20:13  Um, that's a good question. I've always been a big reader, I've always loved reading. It's one of my first loves my mom used to read to me, and instilled this love of prose and literature, even poetry. But it was more so like books, like storybooks. And works like Harry Potter. Or, you know, Lemony Snickett's a series of unfortunate events.DJ Psyched  20:42  Yeah.Jonah Angeles  20:43  Or, you know, she used to, well, specifically, Harry Potter and children's books like that, like, my mom used to read that to me when I was young. And I just always appreciated the written word. Um, and I've always just wanted to myself write magic into it, like, write like magical words, you know, there's, there's magicto  language, there's like, when you come across a passage that really hits you, there's magic there, you know, that, like a passage, that gives you chills, or this feeling that you just read something that was true, or something that was really resonated, something that really resonated with you,  Or even something that rocks your world, you know, that I get those feelings when I read, like, just really good writing. And I want to I want to be, I want to be responsible for that feeling for invoking that feeling in people. Yeah, I don't know how else to describe it. And I don't know what else to say about that. Because it's, it's very intuitive to me. It's just, it's just in my nature to write. And I guess, yeah. I've always been immersed in literature and stories. And, you know, as much as I love movies, like stories are rooted in oral tradition, right and like, language, stories are rooted in in verbal communication, or just linguistic communication. And yeah, I love telling stories. And making people feel things. Yeah.DJ Psyched  23:03  Definitely. And I think that that is something I think a lot of a lot of writers can say is that it kind of just comes naturally after a while, especially when you have a love for reading originally. So one thing so that part I think, comes naturally to a lot of people too. And one thing I find interesting because when I, when we first like, I don't know, online met, I guess you say when when we met through Reddit and like, ended up like doing these podcasts together. I thought your concept was really interesting and pretty, like relatable. The Overthinker's Anonymous thing, just kind of letting yourself talk about whatever you want kind of making a free flow space. And I see that in your writing you also don't hold yourself back, which was something I really resonated with because like, I agree that having like a niche is really important for a lot of creators, but I personally have a hard time with that too. That's why I create so many different kinds of content. So how how did you go about like, was it easy and natural for you to get that kind of, I guess, concept flowing? Like, was it just like oh, yeah, if I'm going to make something clearly it's going to be very free like this, it's going to be whatever topic I want or did it take you a while to find yourself to where you are now like to come up with the podcast? Do names and stuff come easily to you? Or was this something that you tweaked over time?Jonah Angeles  24:23   Hmm. I love how you shovel on these, you pile on these questions and just spark up these these networks of thought these neural networks in my mind. And now I'm like, experiencing analysis paralysis of where where I'm going to go. This is kind of, this is very on brand for me as an over thinker to just not know where to take the conversation next. But um, can you can you rephrase the question?DJ Psyched  24:59  Yeah, definitely. So, as far as being a creater goes, I think a lot of people yeah, tend to have, do you got an answer? Or do you want me to try and explain it?Jonah Angeles  25:08  Um, I, I feel like it, it's always it has always come naturally to me. Like, just creating just, and not limiting myself to one thing. In terms of names, I feel like names come naturally too, I feel like I just discover my process or my process is one of discovery. I, I tend to find the words, as I write them. And I tend to find stories as I write them, I tend to discover a podcast as I record it, I don't have a set plan, I'm more of a gardener than an architect in terms of like that classic distinction that writers make between like plotting a story and, like, plotting it from, like making blueprints, of where a story is going to go or a roadmap, as opposed to being a gardener and just planting seeds and seeing what sprouts. That's not to say that I don't like planning though I do like to plan, but not to the point where it restricts me because like you said, I, I don't really want to carve out a niche. Because that would feel too restrictive. And I personally just, I personally just want to discover things as they as they happen. Like, it's, it's the spontaneous side of me wanting to, I guess, develop works, without imposing too much expectation, or too much of my desires of what I want a work to be. Because with with my novel, for example, with my medium articles, I might have an idea. But you know, that idea might change or transform or evolve into something else entirely. And I'm not going to stop it from doing that. I like to just, again, discover what a thing is, or what a thing wants to be, it sounds strange, because it's almost like I'm treating it like a living being separate from myself. But to me, that's kind of what it is, on some level. It's kind of like, a child, you know, like, that I'm raising, I'm not going to impose too much of my own expectations on a piece of writing, or on a on a work of a piece of visual art. I'm going to help it develop into what it is, if that makes sense. DJ Psyched  27:57  Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. How long, I should have asked this question earlier, actually, how long have you been writing? And on top of that, just so it's not too complicated how long have you been writing? And since you started writing, has there, has there been any big things that you've learned maybe about yourself, or about the craft or anything that maybe you wish you knew back when you started?Jonah Angeles  28:21  Um, I've been writing since I was very young. I guess I've been writing my whole life. I, to be honest with you, because like, as I said, my mom read to me when I was younger, and she'd also write down stories that I tell I orally, just say stories. They'd come to my head, and she'd write them down for me. And we staple them together in little books. And I think it's so awesome but once I was able to start writing, I would do that myself, I just write I'd staple these pages together and write stories. I think I might have been like three or four years old at that time, or whenever, whenever, whatever age it was, where I was capable of writing stuff down with a pen or a pencil. That's when I first started writing stories. But um, so yeah, when I say my whole life, I don't know, I've always I've always been a storyteller. And yeah, I've always done that. For as long as I can remember, I've always written short stories. I, I know in junior high, I developed an obsession with reading short stories, and publishing them online for online communities. I really just grew up in the perfect time to be a writer, you know, I am a child of the internet age, I was born in the 90s so you know, I kind of grew up on the internet, as a lot of people have in this day and age, but I found a writing community, or writing website called Storywrite, I don't know if they still exist, but they were kind of like wattpad before wattpad is I think, Wattpad is like the big, big name now in the community, Like a community based, an online community based on sharing your writing, I might be wrong. There might be another one, out there other than, like, you know, medium and in terms of short stories, like, I feel like wattpad's the main one, am I wrong? I think,DJ Psyched  30:40  No, I think wattpad is the main one.Jonah Angeles  30:42  that's the name that comes to mind when you think of like sharing short stories online, right?DJ Psyched  30:46  Yeah.Jonah Angeles  30:46  I used to write for wattpad, too, when wattpad got big. And, yeah, and I've always just been a writer, and did I answer all of your questions?DJ Psyched  31:00  Well, the the part that I'd really like to focus on at the end of this podcast is kind of what have you learned? Like, is there any lessons anything big that stood out to you?Jonah Angeles  31:09  Okay, and if there's anything that I wish I would have known,DJ Psyched  31:13  yeah.Jonah Angeles  31:14  in the past, um, honestly, I wish I would have implemented a structure like made  more time for writing way back when. But I don't know, it's, it's not that big of a deal now. Because like, I do make time for writing. Now I do sometimes, well, I try to make an effort to, you know, carve out some time in my day for writing. But back, then I didn't have a routine, I didn't have any notion of setting aside time, I guess well, back then at that same time back then I did have more time to write. So it's kind of a moot point at this point. To say that I wanted, I should have made more time for writing when I did have a lot of time for writing and I did spend a lot of time writing, but maybe more of, like, I guess, for people listening to this, who want to get into writing, I think having a routine and carving out time to write, rather than just writing when you feel like writing, which is what I've always done for most of my life, up until recently. Up until the past few years. For me personally, as a writer, it really helps to have time, time out of your day, dedicated just to writing. I also feel the best times to write are, and this is just my personal preference is either when I wake up, or when I'm about to go to bed. So either really early in the morning, or really late at night, because that's when the ideas are more accessible, in my opinion, or even after I meditate. If I could go back in time, I taught myself to meditate more. And try to find ideas through that through meditation, because that silence is the default mode network, right? It takes you out of the default mode network of your everyday mundane way of thinking, and, you know, puts you in a state where you're more open and more, I guess, you attract more ideas. Because I, to bring it back to the idea that these works are kind of like separate beings from you, like I believe I do is are also alive in a sense. And doing things that take you out of your default mode network, like meditation, or even going for a walk, or anything that puts you in a flow state will put you in a mindset for finding fishing out these novel ideas, so to speak.DJ Psyched  34:11  Yeah, that's actually a really good point that you bring up having one like a routine for writing. I think that's something that a lot of people lack, including myself, I definitely have been trying to etch in more writing time because I do think that I used to do the same thing. And I still do a lot of the times like I just write whenever I'm just in the mood, but that kind of can sometimes leave me with periods of time where I'm not writing. And I completely agree on the walking thing. That's actually one of I think, not just walking but finding that time to mentally just be in the writing or just be with yourself and just being out of the chaos of the world because I find that the times that is hardest to write is like during the day like you're completely right if you write during the day, you have all These worries in your head, you got work to think about, there's all there's always chores to do around the house. And it's just there's too much going on. And it's hard to like writing is something you have to be in, you have to be very present in the moment. You can't write and multitask, you can't write when there's other things you're thinking about doing. It has to be in that moment, just writing. And I think, like you said, like a flow state. I think writing is one of the easiest ways to get into a flow state. Because I find that once I actually get myself down, and I start typing out, everything else, it doesn't matter for those few minutes.Jonah Angeles  35:34  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's like, you also have to just let yourself go, you just have to let go. That's a big part of the process is not rereading what you just wrote, and then judging it, because that's something I tend to do, too, is having, like typing out a paragraph and then rereading it, and thinking, Oh, that sounds stupid, why'd I write that? And it's better to just let yourself write until, until you run out of words. And then also, don't judge yourself too harshly for what you wrote. Because it's not like, every word you write, or every sentence you write is going to be gold. That that has, that takes a process to, in order to make something that's in order to make gold when it comes to writing it. It takes a lot of time and effort and energy. But I guess, part of the whole letting yourself go thing is also that ties into the whole discovery aspect of my process is just exploring it, there's an exploratory aspect to that. And just, you know, finding, finding ideas, because they're out there, you know.DJ Psyched  36:56  Yeah. Jonah Angeles  36:56  And, and not criticizing them too much. Because that's when you're overthinking that's that's when the thinking too much. happens when you when you think too much you inhibit yourself from creating gold. It's it's alchemy, really, you know, I guess that's what writing is to me. So I should have said that earlier because that's more dramatic and more, more poetic is to call writing alchemy. DJ Psyched  37:21  Yeah. Jonah Angeles  37:22  Because Yeah, you're, you're really creating gold out of like, the building blocks of reality, which is language.DJ Psyched  37:29  Yeah. Jonah Angeles  37:31  or information. Yeah. DJ Psyched  37:36  Sorry, I just lost my thought.Jonah Angeles  37:38  That's okay.DJ Psyched  37:42  What were you saying? Because I think I can find it again.Jonah Angeles  37:45  Oh, let's find this thought this runaway away thought. alchemy, gold, building blocks of reality, this is very philosophical and metaphysical to say.DJ Psyched  38:01  yeah, what I was gonna say was that, it pertains to something you said a while ago, is like not controlling what you do, but kind of letting it be what it wants to be. I think that the importance to me at least of meditating, or being in a very calm and clear state, when it when creating anything, but especially with writing is that usually, I'll have an idea, right? Just a small idea, a very small idea when I go into writing, I usually don't even try to like have a set title when I start writing. Because if I already deem, what the work is going to be, it's going to sound to forced, what I try to do is just like, have the vague thought, like, what is it that I'm trying to say here? What is it that I'm trying to write, and just start writing and usually, like, I'd say, 99% of the time, when I just let myself write, based on one thought, it'll come out completely different than I envisioned it when I started writing. And it's whenever I try to make a writing too specific like over plan it, that it doesn't end up sounding good to me, or it doesn't end up feeling real. Like it has to be like, when I'm sitting there writing, I'm in such a clear state, and I just let it be, or else I feel like, it just becomes obvious that I overthought the whole piece and the the point, usually, I when I say a concept, I mean, I have just a vague concept. As I'm writing. The epiphany happens, and you can almost see it in my writing that moment where I realized what the point is, because I don't have a word limit or anything. It's not like I ever write and I'm like, Okay, I need to write this many words. I'm just like, I need to write until I get whatever the point is. And I don't know what the point is usually when I start something, but by the end of it, I'm like, Okay, I understand the point. Now my readers can understand the point. This is where it finishes. Do you have any kind of like process like that for your writing that you do or is free handing, like a big part of your process too?Jonah Angeles  39:53  Yeah, definitely. I do like to have titles and overarching concepts and basic direction, a  single direction, at least, or maybe a, let's say, let's say I'm going down a highway. I'd like to be going north, rather than going like North and then going trying West, like I like to stay in one direction and see where that takes me. DJ Psyched  40:22  Yeah. Jonah Angeles  40:24  Or I just switched lanes and try another, try another direction, or switch switch highways maybe. Or this is this whole thing this whole metaphor is infinite. There's so many places you can, you can take your writing and it helps to have structure and constraints. I took a writing class in university, one of my favorite writing classes, actually called story games. And I was gonna shout out my professor Thomas warden. He's dope from the University of Alberta. Yeah, I was a creative writing minor, by the way. Just thought I dropped that piece of information for the listeners. Yeah. Sorry, for the big for the long pause. I'm realizing that your listeners don't know a thing about me. So yeah, I graduated from University of Florida with a psych degree, major in psych and minor in creative writing. And I took a class called story games. And that class is all about writing within constraints, and within certain sets of rules. So what was the name of the, the the Ulipo? Hold on the Ulipo I think I'm butchering the pronunciation, but it's a it was a, this was a gathering of French speaking writers. In a university. I don't know if they were, I don't know if they were they were based but um, Oh, is it the college? The pata physic, it's a French college, it was a subcommittee called Ulipo. Kind of like a student group, I guess. And they practice writing within constraints and different structures and just ways, ways in which you can, like, I guess, restrict yourself as a writer, in order to create because if you if you have no restrictions, and you're just totally free to write about whatever you want, it can be difficult to settle in on or to hone in on on a one overarching theme or idea or direction or point. But if you have, if you write within a certain set of rules, or a certain structure or a certain technique, maybe like to give you an example. Maybe maybe you want to write from the perspective of,  of an animal, or, you know, first person like you, as a writer, you have certain narrative modes, right and points of view, you can view those as constraints. But like, you can even take it a step further by, you know, writing of a constraint, they're constraints. Here, I'm looking on the Wikipedia page, s plus seven or sometimes called n plus seven. So you replace every noun in the text with the seventh noun after it in a dictionary. So for example, call me Ishmael, some years ago, becomes call me Islander, some yeggs ago. Y E G G S. Interesting. So this is obviously like a game you can play with your writing. But that can lead into maybe a new story idea, or you know what I mean? There's also, one of the techniques I used was using tarot cards to plot out a story. And you don't have to, like, necessarily write about save. Maybe you drew, you know, seven of pentacles. You don't have to write about like Pentacles or seven. You can maybe write about a night or a character who found like, seven, sometimes seven items or like seven macguffins. And went to, I don't know, a hotel, or what, a space station or I don't know you can there's so many sources of information around you. You know what I mean? And I guess one of the if you're to take away any, anything from this rambling it's that ideas are all around us. And if you restrict yourself with certain rules, you're able to better allow those ideas to flourish maybe. Does that make sense?DJ Psyched  45:26  Yeah.Jonah Angeles  45:28   Yeah, please cut that. Please edit that down. Totally, totally lost my train of thought as I was speaking. And yeah, but it's hard to explain without concrete examples. But like, even even rhymes, rhymes are a form of constraint. And you can choose a certain rhyming pattern or even like Shakespeare's use of what's it called, Iambic parameter. That's another example of a constraint about what you said about titles, I think titles are a good way to add limitations to what you want to write. And I guess, there could be a delicate balance there of like, not restricting yourself too much with a title because the title is obviously going to influence what you're writing about. And I, I come from, like, I guess where we differ, I come from the standpoint of liking to work with titles and finding the story from the title. But at the same time, I do like the other way around to where you don't have a title and you find the title after you write the piece. Yeah. But if I'm doing it the first way, where I have a title, and I'm finding the piece with the title in mind, that title isn't concrete, it can be subject to change, too.DJ Psyched  47:03  Yeah. And, and that's kind of what I meant more. So it's not like I don't ever have any title when I start writing. But whenever I write, I put a title down that I know I'm not going to keep because I think the title is going to be influenced by what ends up happening in this, in whatever I'm writing, because there have been times where I like I have a title, and then the concept is in it. And when I finish, either there's some phrase that really stands out to me in it, or some concept that really pushes through and I'm like, okay, the title will reflect the piece better if I change the title at that point. So I understand what you're saying. Because I mean, if I were to just sit there and write and just be like freehand absolutely no concept, I think none of the blog posts, I make whatever makes sense. But having like, certain limitations, and I think that's where the concept of like a niche or like, for me, I guess I like to think of it as, like a fluid genre when I write, because there are like, certain topics that I like to speak on. Like, I think, for me, personally, nonfiction is a big thing, because I'd like talking about growth and topics in life. But I think what's what's important to me is not to restrict myself from allowing myself to bring other things in. Because I think, while having one concept is, is vital, honestly, for writing, because if you go too many places, your piece isn't going to make sense. And it's going to be harder to enjoy while reading it. There's got to be like that one central theme. But what I like to think of it as if we're going to use the highway analogy is like, you've got a highway you're riding on, but you still want like pretty scenery around that highway.Jonah Angeles  48:36  Yeah. True. I like that. I like that. And you want you want the ride to be exciting. Yeah, to and you don't want it to be predictable.DJ Psyched  48:49  Yeah, and I think like with this analogy, to me, the most essential thing is that one, the story starts somewhere, right? You got to get in the car at some point and then go down the highway and there's got to be a destination because I think the biggest problem I had when I first started writing is that I never really stopped the car anywhere. It's just like, the highway ended and the car never stopped. So it feels like the ride has to stop you know, like it doesn't make sense to go on a road trip with no end.Jonah Angeles  49:16  Right. Makes sense. Yeah, I really like that. DJ Psyched  49:23  So I guess my last big question that I want for you is do you have any like Golden Nugget I guess something vital you'd want people to take away from this. Maybe something about you or something about writing you know, I'm gonna give you free rein to go wherever you want with this.Jonah Angeles  49:44  Okay, well, as I mentioned, I do want to bring up that no death no fear book by Thich Naht HanhDJ Psyched  49:51  Yeah. Jonah Angeles  49:53  Who is a famous for writing about meditation and Zen and Buddhism. And, yeah, I think one of the passages I was reading, right before this interview was how, in order for certain flowers to blossom, during the season, the conditions had to be right. And that's kind of like a metaphor for a lot of things to me, not just life. But for writing, like you got to have, the conditions have to be right. And there's a lot that you can control in relation to that in relation to putting yourself in the right writing mindset, or, you know, doing what you can in order to arrange the conditions in order to make the stars align, so that your writing can be it's best, I guess, to put out your best work, and I think what I've learned is the best writing. Or the best times, for me to write is when I'm actively living my life. And I know it's hard to live your life, quote, unquote, during a pandemic, but for me, the the right conditions of writing is for when I'm, you know, live having experiences that inspire me, or talking to people that inspire me, or going places that, you know, challenged my, my everyday perceptions, or my everyday, my default mode network that, you know, places that put me in a flow state places that show me new things that give me new experiences. I don't know when I'm, when I'm having the time of my life, when I'm falling in love, or when I'm getting my heart broken. You know, that's when I get a lot of really good material. For good art, is when I'm, you know, living my life, I guess it's the best way for me to put it. It's the most general way for me to put it and I know it's very abstract. ButDJ Psyched  52:11  yeah,Jonah Angeles  52:11  that's, that's when the right conditions are, one of the right conditions for good writing. and good material is when I'm living my life, and I'm not holding myself back from living. I have to gain experiences in order to transmit those experiences into my work. Because if I'm just sitting on my ass, like in my room, or in my workspace, trying to come up with ideas, staring at a blank page. Well, you know, there's only so much I can pull from if I'm not living my life, you know what I mean?DJ Psyched  52:47  Yeah, I completely, completely agree. I think that is where all the best art comes from, when you're living, truly living and experiencing and making the art afterwards. You know, like, letting that be a guide for creating because I mean, art is a reflection of life, life is a reflection of art, yada, yada, but, but I think it's important to live and experience. I think that's where the best art comes from, I think it'd be impossible, honestly, in my opinion, to create if there wasn't anything you're going through, because I mean, everything I create, and I think any creator who's doing it because they love it, and is not doing it as a motivation of money or something. The reason you do it is because you're you want to create something relevant, something that you can relate to something other people can relate to. And you can only make something relevant if you're living.Jonah Angeles  53:39  Yeah, the human experience, right? We're all pulling from the human experience. Assuming that you're human and listening to this, if you're an animal or an alien, I guess you can write about the animal or the alien experience, too. But um, yeah, like, in order to, to plant seeds in your writing, you need to have the seeds planted in you. Does that make sense? That, it's kind of weird metaphor.DJ Psyched  54:05  Yeah,Jonah Angeles  54:06  I have the image of like, flowers sprouting up for my ears. And, you know, my, my nostrils and whatever orifice you want to name put. DJ Psyched  54:17  That would make a cool photo. Jonah Angeles  54:19  That'd be an interesting photo. Yeah, that's a good idea. I have to write that down for later. But yeah, in order to write about life, you had to live your life. Because that's what's interesting. That's what's that's what people like to read is, you know, they like to see themselves. People like to see themselves in what they read in the characters that they read. Or they like to relate to what they read. And I mean, or I do personally. DJ Psyched  54:51  Yeah. Jonah Angeles  54:53  That's where I, where I experienced firsthand is when I read something that resonates with me that I feel like I have experienced that too. Or I feel like I can put myself in this character's shoes or this narrator shoes and really understand what they meant, or what what the writer meant when they wrote that thing. Because a lot of the time, like good writing speaks about things that are universal, or things that are commonly experienced by humans. And as far as I know, it's just us humans who make literature, but maybe I'm being ignorant.DJ Psyched  55:33  Completely agree. Well, yeah. Thank you for all of that. Jonah Angeles  55:40  Yeah, thank you. Thank you. You're welcome.DJ Psyched  55:43  For Sure.Jonah Angeles  55:43  Thank you. Thank you for having me. And thank you for sharing your that we share too.DJ Psyched  55:53  All right. Well, yeah, I guess our main following the, I guess, metaphor of the podcast we did on your page, which I want to let you get, have a moment if you'd like to just shout out that podcast again. So everyone knows where they can find you after this?Jonah Angeles  56:09  Yeah, that podcast is called Overthinker's Anonymous. It's available on Spotify and anchor and wherever you get your podcasts, I think, except for except for Apple podcasts, but I could be wrong. I think it might actually be on Apple podcast. just haven't haven't checked. Yeah, don't quote me on that. Yeah.DJ Psyched  56:32  All right. Well, thank you again for being on again. And stay psychedJonah Angeles  56:39  Stay psyched. DJ Psyched  56:40  Thank you so much for listening. The intro and outro beat us on this podcast was made by my friend and producer PME. He's super talented, so make sure to check him out. His links are always in the description. And as always, let me know what you're getting psyched about. I do this podcast because I think getting psyched is done best when we do it together. So please let me know and until next time, stay psyched.
Mentioned in this Episode: Find Pat Danger Everywhere: https://linktr.ee/patdanger To learn more about the Get Psyched Mission:You can Get Psyched on...InstagramTwitterFacebookYoutubeCheck out my friend and fellow creator PME On Spotify(Producer PME has given me permission to use his beat '300k' as the Get Psyched intro/outro beat)EPISODE TRANSCRIPT :(provided by Otter.ai)DJ Psyched  0:07  I'm DJ Psyched and you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. Let's Get Psyched together.I'm DJ Psyched, you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. And today we're getting psyched again with Pat danger. And we've done an episode together before on this podcast. So if you haven't listened to that, you should go back and give it a listen. But for anyone who's new to this podcast and to Pat, can you, Pat, introduce yourself?Pat Danger  0:33  What's up, guys? Um, I go by Pat danger. I'm an artist. I'm, um, I don't even know what sound would you say? Um, I think it changes depending on the day, honestly.DJ Psyched  0:44  Yeah. I think generally, it's like you would say like, maybe hip hop, r&b type rap vibes.Pat Danger  0:51  Yeah, for sure. I would say like, I don't know. I've been thinking about this lately, too. I think maybe like, alternative hip hop. Kinda cuz I do get like kind of experimental and do like some weird pop punk shit. Can I curse on here?DJ Psyched  1:05  Yeah. Pat Danger  1:06  All right. i'm gonna curse a lot. Um, so yeah, I'm Pat danger. I'm an artist. I'm from New Jersey. Right now. I'm living in the Catskills. I live in like the middle of the woods. You can't see today because it's cloudy. But I like there's a mountain in the backyard. I'm like, deep in the woods. Like I'm in like the sticks. But I love it up here. I live up here by myself. I just make a lot of music. I know last time I was on here, I probably promised you guys I was making a song every week. But honestly, at this point, I'm making like at least a song a day two songs a day. So I fulfilled that promise to some extent.DJ Psyched  1:41  Yeah, and I'm actually really interested in that. Like, I remember you saying that your whole situation had kind of changed now you're living at this place and you're making music is that like full time venture now because you were in school and working Last time we talked like what what's changed about your life.Pat Danger  1:57  So I think the last time we talked, I was working full time, I was a full time student. And music was more like I've always been super super into music. But I think at that point, music, I have to say that like music was honestly just like a hobby at that point. Like I was working on it. But it wasn't like my main thing. Because between work school, like balancing friends and all that kind of stuff, I had like very, very little time for music. And that's actually one of the reasons I quit my job. Because my schedule was, it's horrible. It was literally I woke up at 4am, I would make breakfast be at the gym at five, I would work from five to 630 I mean, sorry, workout from five to 630, I'd get back to my house, just enough time to shower and like grab a snack or whatever, go to work from seven to 330. By the time I got home, it's 4pm. And my classes started six. So by the time I got home, it's 4pm. By the time I shower and make some food, it's like 545. And my classes are from six to nine. And then I would just go to bed immediately after. So at that point, music was like, it was like the fifth thing I was working on. Like it would be like, oh, now it's just like Pat danger artist, right? That's the first thing before it was like Pat danger guy who works right? Then it's like, Pat danger guy who's in school, then it's like Pat danger goes, whatever. And then it was like down here would be music. And now I can honestly say music is like up here. So I quit my job. My job sucked. It really did. And like the people they were horrible, and like, I don't even want to get into that because that could be like a whole episode itself. But these guys were just like, whatever, I hated it there had no time for myself. So saved up a bunch of money. I quit my job. And I moved up here. My parents have this place in the mountains. They bought this place in the 1970s. And they bought it for like $70,000 They told me, which is for a house. That's nothing. That's how much people buy cars for. So this house is like all paid off. I redid almost everything in here. I'm very handy. Now I just work on music full time. I want to say at this point, besides when I have schoolwork because I am still in school. I'm in my last semester. Honestly, at this point, I work on music, like 15, 16 hours a day.DJ Psyched  4:12  Oh, nice. Wow, you just answered my next question. So I was like, Well, how did you do that? How did you manage to push yourself out to be able to create music full time. But that's awesome. Actually, that's that's a really cool thing that you were able to do. Was it ever like I'm curious, was there ever like a mindset thing where you're kind of maybe worried to quit your job or unsure of it? Or was it just like I'm out of this music is my thing. I'm rolling with it? Like what got you to that point where you're like, I'm ready to leave work to make this my like, thing?Pat Danger  4:41  Um, so there are two things one, again, I don't really I don't want to get into it too much. But there was like, a racist incident at work. And it wasn't with me. It actually had nothing to do with me. But it was one of my like, very, very close friends there. It was some dude who lived in Africa and then he moved here like a year and a half ago. I was very close with him. He was very cool and like some crazy shit went down, where if it happened at any other place, there would literally be a lawsuit. And I tried to convince him to like, not do a lawsuit but like to talk to someone. But he's like the nicest. He's like a monk. He's the nicest guy in the world. He's like, No, I don't want to problems with anybody. But basically, after that, it went downhill pretty quick. Because I'm like, I cannot work for somebody who would allow this, let alone be around people who are like this. So that was a big step. And to answer your other question. Like, how did I know I was ready to do it? I really wasn't. When I went in, I, when I went in, I was like, to tell my boss, I was quitting. I honestly, it was, like, super shaky. My voice was like, like, I had like, a mini panic attack. But um, I kind of just had to force myself to do it. And then again, you get those questions, because I was like, well liked, there and I was cool with almost everyone. So when I was leaving, they're like, oh, like, you know, what are you doing? Which I hate that question in the first place. But it's like, you know, I had to, they're like, Oh, you found another job, whatever. Like, that's fine. I'm like, no, not exactly. So I told him, I was focusing on school, I made up some, I made up some shit where I was like, Yo, I'm failing out of my classes, I really, which is not true. And I'm like, Yo, I gotta really focus on school, I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to leave. And even during that, like when I put it, I did it the right way. I put in my two weeks, but even during those two weeks, I was like, I was like, doubting myself so much. I'm like, fuck did I make the right decision. I quit like a pretty decent, well paying job. And it's easy, whatever. But um, and then even when I got up here, when I like, I live here by myself. So there's no one else here. And I'm not really used to one living by myself to living by myself where like, the closest friend is three hours away. So my first couple of nights up here, super creepy. First off, I'm like, in the middle of the woods, every little crack or whatever I would be like, the fuck was that? Then I got used to it. And like, after that first initial couple of days, I knew I made the right decision.DJ Psyched  7:08  Yeah, that's interesting that it was like, like, it wasn't exactly fully your choice. It just was something you felt like you'd had to do. But that it's working out for you. Would you say that now that you're kind of in it because like, I've been getting your music, and I've been seeing the stuff you're posting, you're doing a good job. So do you feel like maybe even though it wasn't planned, it worked in your favor, and it was kind of I don't wanna use the word destiny with that, like, it was a push, maybe that you wanted to happen. So like, on some level, are you like, I'm glad this happened?Pat Danger  7:41  Yes, I'm 1,000,000%. I'm so glad it happened. Now that I'm working on music full time. I honestly can't even imagine going back to like that job. First off, but almost any sort of job, which is like, I don't know, I've been working my whole life, I got my first job when I was 14. This is the first time I've ever been like unemployed. So it was definitely weird. And like a really rough transition, because I'm usually the type of person where like, I at least have one job. A lot of the times I've been working like two jobs while going to school and all that stuff, too. But um, now that I'm like living this kind of lifestyle, it's, uh, it's cool. I don't know. Yeah, I love it. I can't even imagine it any other way now?DJ Psyched  8:22  Yeah, I find that really admirable, because I'm kind of not in the same position. But slightly similar in the fact that I just left a really good paying full time job, just because it wasn't, it wasn't quite working out for me. And I felt like I wasn't able to do things that I needed to do in my life. And I'm kind of in that gray area where I'm like, oh, wow, that was a decision to make, because now I need to find something else to do some other way to make money. But, yeah, I think that is something that I think a lot of creators kind of feel worried about. I think what the most interesting point you made was that you said that you kind of had to make makeup what you told other people, you have like a fear of judgment of what people would think of you if you went to pursue music full time, or is it just maybe you're not ready to say that you're doing music as your full time thing?Pat Danger  9:13  I think one, I feel like I just as a person, I always have like a fear of judgment. I don't know. And that's just a character flaw, right? But I'm actually most of most people who actually listen to my music, like fans, whatever. They're all almost all people I met on the internet. A lot of my friends don't even know I make music at all, let alone I'm like doing it to the extent I'm doing it. But that's just also comes back to the fact I'm like a very, like closed person, which is something I'm trying to work on too. Like, I just started showing my parents my music, and they kind of like stumbled upon it. It wasn't even like I was like, Hey, I made the song. It was like my dad, like made a Tik Tok or something. And he's like, Oh, you know, maybe I'll add you like Yeah, go ahead. And he added me and he's like, oh, like, this is pretty good. Is this your song? I'm like, yeah, you know, Now it's kind of like that whole conversation. But yeah, a lot of my friends don't know I'm making music, a handful of very close friends do. And they're like, super supportive. Like I show my cousin my music. And he was also a big reason why I left my job too, because he worked at the same place. And he hates it too. And he's looking for a new job. But he was kind of like, sat me down. And he's always said this over the years, like, since I started making music, he's like, bro, you got some talent, like, you need to do something with this. And like, I was always just kind of like, yeah, cool, cool. And like, he saw that I wasn't putting my full effort into it, just like I told you before. It was like my fifth thing on my list. And he kind of just sat me down. And he was like, Listen, dude. He's not even a hip hop guy, either. By the way, he's like, super super rock'n'roll. And he usually hates hip hop. He was sat me down, and he was like, Listen, dude, I'm going to tell you this. Like, I want to have a serious talk. I know, I tell you this all the time. But like, this is the talk that's going to do it for you. Like, you have a talent. I can picture you like your music blowing up you helping millions of people reaching millions of ears, whatever. It was like, dude, I wouldn't be telling you this, if it was just okay. He was like, the scary thing about your music is it's like amazing, which is, you know, he basically told me, I'm not reaching my full potential, and that I should do it full time.DJ Psyched  11:13  Yeah, well, I agree. I mean, like, I'm not just saying it because we're friends. I mean, I really do listen to your music. Like I listen to any other artists I listen to, you know, it's not like I just listened to it. Like, oh, Pat wants me to listen to a song like it's, it's good music. So I think that's really awesome that you were able to take that step and to do this with your music. So I'm, I'm wondering, you don't have to share any details. You don't want to but is there, what are you working on right now? And what do you have any goals in mind? Are you just kind of trying it out since you're still in school?Pat Danger  11:47  Um, first off, thank you so much for listening. I know that you're like, so my SoundCloud, you're still like the so I have like a SoundCloud stats thing on my phone, right? It just tells me like all the thing I saw, like it said that you listened like 800 times or something. Which is crazy, and so fucking cool and awesome. And like, it's, you're always like the top like listener, top follower, or whatever. So like, that's how I know you're not just like, you know, it's good, whatever. That's something I don't like to like, sometimes I'll share my music. And that's another reason why I don't really show my friends too much. You have to, like, really appreciate music to, like, I don't know what I'm trying to say you have to, like really appreciate music to appreciate other people's music in a sense, like, when I show you my music, you take the time to listen to it, and you listen to it multiple times. And like, I know, you're actually listening. A lot of the times I'll show my friends and like, not that I really like, I don't have like a big ego or anything, but like they'll talk during the song or some shit and like, they don't really, you know, give a fuck and just be like, Oh, you know, that was good. And that's like the end of the conversation. What was the question? Oh, what, what I'm working on next. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to get in on Twitch. First off, I've been like, so a lot of things, the things I've been doing is I live stream, beginning to finish of me making a song, which is something I've been doing a lot, like have nothing written down, literally the complete process. So like some of these videos are like eight hours long, and like, I'll have like one or two viewers or something 2 viewers. But I want to get into twitch more, not only promoting my music, but also listening to other people's music. I just found out you can do like a feedback. Um, I don't even know what the terminology is. You do like a feedback video chat thing where I post like, yo, put your links and I'll listen to it or whatever. So I was doing that last night. I like discovered some new people, which is cool. I like listened to them gave them any critiques I thought of or you know, told him it was good. And even that alone from last night. It's like I added a couple people on Instagram and stuff and they want to collab. So I think that's cool. Another thing I'm working on is I really just want to collab with people and like small artists specifically. I posted on my tik tok a bunch. I'm like trying to give away verses but like, it's not like reaching the right people. I'm like, dude, you don't have to pay me One, two, I'll mix and master everything for us. I will get you the verse Just give me a beat and the subject or whatever. So I'm kind of just trying to put out as much music as possible. I'm down to collab with literally anybody on like any type of thing. And I'm also trying to transition from SoundCloud to Spotify. That's a big thing for me. So I've always been like a SoundCloud guy. But now I'm trying to actually put my music on Spotify, which is good, because I think in the first I've been you know, up here a couple weeks, whatever, even in the first couple weeks I went from six monthly listeners on Spotify, I'm up to like 330 now which is cool as fuck, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's, that's basically it.DJ Psyched  14:53  Okay, nice. And so, having gone from because I remember when we first met when we first met, you had just started making music. And now you're, you're going hard at it and you've made a lot of music. And I've seen like just listening to your music, I can see you progress in a lot of different ways. I mean, your music has always been good, but like you can even just hear it in like, the vocals like your voice sounds a little bit more comfortable and flowy on certain tracks. What do you think, like are the biggest things you've learned about songwriting, or let's start with songwriting? What is the biggest thing you've learned about songwriting since you started?Pat Danger  15:29  First off, thank you. I didn't want to interrupt you. Two, I think I was talking to this kid. So I like when I was doing one of these live streams of me making a song. Some kid came on, and he watched the entire thing, like this dude, watch, like six hours. And he was like instant fan like, he DM'ed me on Instagram. He wants to watch this podcast episode when it comes out. Like, it's cool. It's cool as fuck. But he was telling me he wanted to get into music. And he was like, dude, you're so good. Like, I can't even picture like what I would sound like. I'm like, I should play him a couple of my first songs. First off, I'm like, dude, listen to how bad this shit is please. And like, it's not even shit that's on SoundCloud. It's so bad that like, I went back and took it down because it was horrible. So I showed him that and he's like, that's you? I'm like, yeah. But I explained to him, and I was in the same boat when I first started making music. And it's definitely less now. I feel like you just you literally just need to do it. Like, I remember I like wanted to do an album. And I'm like, Oh, I wrote like a bunch of songs. And I'm like, now these aren't good. These aren't good. These aren't good. Like, you're not gonna make like a my beautiful, dark, Twisted Fantasy for your first fucking album. And you're also not even gonna have good songs for your first album. I saw something that I think it was Dave Grohl said they're like, yo, how did Nirvana come about? He was like, we played in a garage, and we sucked. And then we played for another year, and we still suck, we play for another year, and we got a little better, a little better, a little better. Like, everyone starts off bad. And just what you think is bad doesn't mean someone else does, you know, some of my worst shit, like people like. So I think it's I think it's literally just about doing it. And not trying to be too much of a perfectionist. Which is hard for a lot of people, including myself.DJ Psyched  17:11  Yeah, yeah, that's a great point to bring up. Because it doesn't matter what you're doing, whether it's making music or anything else in the creative world, like it does, it always starts off bad. You go back to my first few episodes, this podcast, and I'm pretty sure our episode together includes to be like, one of them is just, my editing is cringy. Like, it's hard to listen to. Like I don't listen to those episodes, because I wouldn't even be able to listen to it. I cut out way too much stuff. It doesn't sound like a conversation, I tried to get rid of every um, and it just makes it sound like so choppy. But you learn these things by doing them. If I would have just sat in my room and been like, Oh, well, I don't even know how to edit a podcast, I would have never started it. And I wouldn't be where like I am now either. And it's not like I'm saying, my podcast, the best thing ever, but you'll never improve until you start. You know, I think that's a great point to make. Because so many people tell me they're like, oh, but when you create things, you look so natural, I wouldn't look natural in front of a camera. I was like, I wouldn't have either. That's why I didn't start in front of a camera. Like just just start somewhere start where you're comfortable. And move, move on from there. I think that's a great advice to give. So you also have changed the way you were making music because I remember when we first started talking, you were mostly like working on the lyrics. And just doing that aspect of things and having other people do the mixing and mastering and all that side of your process now that you do it all yourself, how has that changed the way that you make music and the way that you view it?Pat Danger  18:37  So it's kind of like a similar thing. We were talking about you with your podcast and me when I like first started making music. I like just started mixing and mastering my shit like in the last couple of weeks, and I had I knew nothing about it. I just watched hella YouTube tutorials and you know, try to get better. I'm still trying to get better. And I could definitely stand for a lot of improvement. But it's it's the same kind of thing where I just had to do it over and over and over again and see what sounds good and see what doesn't sound good? Yeah,DJ Psyched  19:08  yeah. Has it changed? Like, the way you make music? Like just Pat Danger  19:12  Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot the question. DJ Psyched  19:13  Yeah. No your good.Pat Danger  19:18  Yeah, so the way I make music definitely changed. One because I mix and master my own stuff and record it myself. I a lot of the times most of my songs before the last month that I got up here, I would have to record at like a friend's house, a studio, whatever. Or I would record in my house with like a Blue Yeti. And like, my parents like upstairs sleeping Plus, I didn't want them to hear me. So I literally be like in the mic like this making the song. Now that I mix and master myself, it's cool because I don't have to wait for anybody. That's one thing I didn't like about having other people involved just because I had to wait for them. DJ Psyched  19:52  Yeah, that's an advantage I guess I never thought of because it is easier when you have control of the whole process. Do you see yourself I'm just curious. As far as making music, do you see yourself always wanting to do every aspect of the process? Or has there been like one side that you're more interested in? Because you talk about collabing a lot. So like, do you see yourself as a lyricist? As somebody who wants to get into the mixing and mastering or producer? Like, is there a specific thing? Or are you just like making music you're not quite sure yet?Pat Danger  20:20  Um, my favorite part is literally just making the music I mix and master it just for convenience sake, I don't really have a passion for it. I don't mind doing it. But like, it's nice when you mix and some master stuff only because it's your ear listening, you know how you want yourself to sound. And a lot of the times I'd be at the studio or whatever, and I just wouldn't know how to put into words how I wanted to sound. But now I don't have to put it into words. I'm like, no this sounds good. No, this doesn't. So there's that and forgot the question again. I'm sorry.DJ Psyched  20:55  Great point. I forgot the question too, to be honest. But I bet that answered most of it.Pat Danger  21:02  Oh, my favorite aspect. DJ Psyched  21:03  Okay. Yeah. Pat Danger  21:04  So I really don't care about mixing and mastering that much. It's something I do for convenience sake, but I'm never gonna have a passion for it. But besides that, I don't also like, I don't really like marketing, to be honest. Like, you know what I mean, I don't like, I'm not like a huge social media guy in general, I think my last Instagram post on my actual page is like, probably three or four years old. I don't really enjoy making tik toks that much, but I do it just so more people see the music. So that's like one of my I would say probably least favorite parts. But I do it. But it's weird, because I don't like marketing. But I love interacting with people. Like specifically like music, whatever. Like when I get on Twitch, and I'm talking to people, and they're watching my process, or I'm watching them, whatever. I love that kind of stuff. But that's not really marketing that's just connecting with people. Which I like a lot. But my favorite part is just making the songs. I really like it. I love jamming out with people. I went to like a my friend's house a couple days ago, when I was back in New Jersey and a couple guys that I haven't met before. They love music to. guy breaks out like a guitar. We're just like jamming or whatever. I love that kind of stuff. I love like the creative process of it, I would say.DJ Psyched  22:14  Yeah, yeah. And I completely agree on the marketing thing. I think a lot of creators are that way. Like, it's not like, marketing is pretty annoying, because it takes time out of your process. And for me personally, I kind of feel weird a lot of times when I do it because I feel like it's hard for me to like, let's say I write a blog post. I really love that blog post. I'm like, wow, this means a lot to me. It's so hard for me to convey that in a post without it being just like weird to me, like, you know?Pat Danger  22:42  I understand completely what you're saying. And I've been looking at like marketing tactics, and all this kind of stuff, which is why I'm trying to do that presave thing. But a lot of the times when I post stuff like, I don't, I don't want to have to like sell it almost and you kind of have to sell it like a lot of the songs I post I literally just put like, new song out now. Which is like, it's not. It's not a smart idea to do, like, marketing wise, but I don't want to be like, you know, I was really sad when I wrote this song. And that's what, I don't want to talk about that I just want to be like, yo, here's my music. Listen. So if it ever gets to the point where I could just, if I could just spend all day making music and someone else handles the rest I would true. I would love that.DJ Psyched  23:22  Yeah, yeah, no, I feel that that's actually my job that I just left I did marketing for someone who had like, made content. And it was just it kind of is what opened my eyes up to the fact that I don't like marketing, either. I think I understand what you're saying about liking, connecting people, but not marketing. Because the reason I do it, the reason I post anything that I create onto social media platforms and stuff is because I do want people who want to see it to see it. You know, like there are people out there who want to listen to your music. There's people out there who want to listen to certain podcasts or read certain blog posts, but they won't find the stuff unless you put it out there in some kind of format. So like in one aspect, I like being able to like, share my stuff with people who will like it, but I just don't like the part of marketing where it's it's so competitive and hard these days. Like the fact that there is a tactic like I love just uploading and saying new blog post up. But when I was doing that, not a soul cared. No one liked the post, no one interacted everyone was just like, I don't care about your blog. I literally feel like like, and this is just as a creator, this annoys the life out of me. I feel like I have to hide the fact that it's a blog or a podcast at the end because people will not look for even a second if they think that you're you want them to see something you've done. And I mean, fair enough, everyone's doing stuff but I also from like a creator standpoint, I just think it's so shallow because so many people who are like your friends, quote unquote, don't want to see what you're doing. They don't care what you're doing. And like if you were to say like started off with Oh, I wrote a blog. They tune out immediately because they want to consume some random content that they don't know that person at all. But your content, they won't give it the time of day.Pat Danger  25:04  That's like, yeah, so you bring up a lot of good points. That's another reason why I don't really share my music with like, just anybody because one I don't want to come off as pushy. Two. They don't want to hear it. Like my biggest responses have literally been from people I don't met, which is weird, right? It's ironic, you'd think like, your best friends and all your friends would love to hear your stuff, but like, not really, honestly. But like people who I don't know at all, like, go crazy for that shit. So it's like weird, but whatever it you know, if you don't wanna listen, you don't have to listen. I don't care. And two, back to the marketing thing. Yeah, it's like hard. It's like, I don't know, it's like, you could either. It's hard because, you know, you can make like, some super like clickbaity, like bullshit, like super cheesy thing. And you know, that might blow up. But I don't want it to be like that. You shouldn't, I don't think you should have to, like, put all these gimmicks and tactics into it, even though that like stuff might help.DJ Psyched  25:55  Yeah, I completely agree. And that's like, as somebody who makes YouTube videos, that is something I don't like, and I don't do, like I refuse to make clickbait Even if my title is boring as hell, like, I'm not gonna tell you that it's something that it's not because, I mean, I don't get a whole bunch of watches, but I do get some. And if I can, like, organically get people to enjoy my content, truly enjoy it and truly watch it for what it's there for. I'll feel better than if like, I don't know, let's say 10,000 people watched it. But they were just watching it for something that it wasn't or they liked me, quote, unquote, for something that I'm not.Pat Danger  26:30  I couldn't, I couldn't agree more. That's why I'm glad everything I did music wise, it's all been organically, I couldn't pay, I couldn't pay for someone to like, get a shit ton of views on my Spotify, right? So it looks like I have 200,000 right, no I have 300. But the 300 who are listening are like actually listening. They're hearing what I'm saying, which is cool. So I rather grow organically like that, then like you were saying, I don't want I don't want my song to have 100,000 views, if everyone just doesn't understand what I'm talking about, or you know, doesn't actually appreciate it or like it.DJ Psyched  26:59  Yeah, yeah. And that's why, like, I just tried to focus it on the like, I guess, being grateful for what I do have aspect because whenever I do post something, let's say like, I don't know, I know, I know, for a fact that half not even half 90% of the people who follow me on Instagram and like anything that I post, do not listen to my podcast. And have never read a blog post of mine. Like, I know that. But whenever somebody messages me and says, like, they'll say something specific, like I like today's blog posts, like I can relate to x, it feels so good. Like they actually read it. Like they're not just saying, Oh, I read your post, or, you know, they actually took the time to enjoy what you were doing. And that feels so much better. Because I don't I don't create for numbers. First of all, I don't make any money off of this. So that wouldn't do anything for me. But it's like, it's more fulfilling to know that the reason you put something out there, it's actually reaching that purpose.Pat Danger  27:49  I totally agree. And I think it is very important to be grateful for whatever, you know, you do have like, dude, I'm so frickin grateful even just for the 300 followers. Like, I think that's incredible. You know, I mean, like, you would think that I have like 3 million the way I like react to it. You know, I'm cool with that. Yeah, I'm making music like for myself, first off, and then two for, I don't know, people who actually want to hear.DJ Psyched  28:10  Yeah, I completely. I completely agree. I got so excited before we started this because I haven't checked my YouTube in quite a while because I haven't put a video up. But I have 35 subscribers now, which is five more than the last time I checked. So I was like, wow, 35 people are watching.Pat Danger  28:26  Yeah, see, that's good. That's cool. You know what I mean? You're like me, like 35 you get hype for it. And some people will be like, Oh, I only got like 200,000 new followers today, whatever. You know.DJ Psyched  28:37  Yeah, yeah. And I guess for me, like I try to keep the mindset very clear, because something that I've been noticing a lot lately, and the only reason I follow this kind of news is because I like to think of it as like a cautionary tale. When people start to climb, when people start to get bigger, that's when they corrupt. That's when the art changes. And that's when things go downhill. And so I feel like it's important that while you're still smaller and still working on things that you work on your relationship with your creation, because so many people go into it pure hearted, and then they're on the news for doing something that they had no business doing, because they just thought they were all powerful.Pat Danger  29:14  I totally agree. It's funny, I was actually I was showing my cousin, someone who's like famous. He's an artist, whatever. I basically had the same conversation with him. I showed him some of the guys old music. He's like, Dude, this is incredible. I was like, I know, it's incredible. But this guy sold out. Let me show you his newest music. I showed him this newest music and he's like, Dude, what the fuck? This guy's like such a sellout. So that shit sucks. Even not that I'm anywhere near the level but I'm saying if any label ever did approach me I don't think I would take it. I love being an independent artist and I love just making shit for like me. I don't think I would ever want to be like, hey, Pat, you need to make a love song today. Hey, Pat, you need to make like a sad song today. Like no fuck you. I'm gonna make the kind of shit I want to make, you know.DJ Psyched  29:53  Yeah, yeah. And I think that that aspect of control is important because like so many are Do you end up losing that control, and it's kind of what makes their crap spiral. But I also think, and this is just like me thinking about the psychology of it all, I swear, people let numbers go to their heads, like to an extreme level, because all of the people, I'm not gonna call anyone out, I'm not drama channel. But all of the biggest artists and like creators that are being called out right now they're the ones with the biggest numbers. They're the ones that have so many fans, they think they're untouchable. And I think that's just a very dangerous game to play. When you kind of stop doing like what you're doing for your heart, and you start doing it for the numbers. Like, I don't know, I'm gonna say one creator, just cuz I like this guy. I like PewDiePie a lot. And I think that he had a phase where he was not humbled. And that's where he made his mistakes. But once he kind of grounded himself again, you can tell that he just creates because he likes it, he gets the numbers because people know his name and like him. But you can tell that he's not chasing the numbers like he used to be, he has that fan base, he doesn't need to chase the numbers. Everyone that you can tell they're chasing the numbers, every video or song or whatever they do on social media, it's like they go crazier and crazier every time because they know it'll get views. Those people you can tell they're not creating because they love it anymore. It's not about their heart. It's not about what matters to them. At that point, it's what can I do to get people to look at me. And I think, just as somebody who's starting to create, I try to always tell myself, like, I don't care what what the most popular things that I'm making are, I want to make what I like the DIY series. I don't know like, I don't know, my analytics. I don't know how popular it is, but I love it. So I'm not gonna stop doing it. I don't really care if anyone ever tells me like, no one watches your DIY series. I'm like my mom does. So get off my back.Pat Danger  31:39  No, no, I think you bring up a great point. One, I think it's very easy. Like you said, it's easy to see who's doing it for views and who's doing it because they love music and they love art, which is another reason why I love working with like, very small artists because you know, they're not doing it because they have like a huge fan base or whatever. They're just doing it because they love music. Like I could tell you love doing this podcast, which is why you know, that's why you do it, which is awesome. Yeah, I don't think when you get too big is when problems happen. Like I wouldn't ever sign to a label because I wouldn't ever want I wouldn't ever want to even be like boxed in. Yeah, I got I wanna, I don't want them to be like, Oh, you're singing too much. Or you need to rao? Like what the fuck are you making like a pop punk song for? You know, I just like making music. I don't?DJ Psyched  32:20  Well, that's awesome to hear. Cuz, definitely going to long term fan here. You're number one right here. All right, well, I just kind of want to end this off by letting you say I want to do you have like a golden nugget, a piece of wisdom or something that you would want to leave whoever's listening to this podcast today with whether it's about music or personal life, go for it.Pat Danger  32:45  Don't worry about your numbers. Just make the music. Yeah, that's it. Just make the music make it for you. That's it.DJ Psyched  32:53  Spirit fingers. All right. Well, thank you for being on again. It was a lot of fun. And I do look forward to hearing what you release. Next. I want to give you some time, right quick. I know I said that was your last nugget. But I want to let you shout yourself out some more. So tell people where they can find you and where what they have to look forward to you got any. I know you got that song coming out. So definitely shout that out.Pat Danger  33:17  Um, thank you. I have. I'm on Pat. I'm Pat Danger on Spotify. If you guys want to check it out. I just put out a couple songs. I'm going to start releasing like every three weeks or so on Spotify. I got a new song coming out. It's coming out April 27. And let me remember the name of it real quick. Okay, check in on your friends. That's what I make a lot of music. check in on your friends. That's what it's called. It's dropping April 27. Check that out. I'm on Soundcloud, you can stuff to check that stuff out. I got a lot of stuff on Soundcloud that I just don't put on Spotify, just because I'm dropping songs whatever. I don't know my twitch name or I'd Shout that out too but somebody find it.DJ Psyched  33:54  Yeah, no worries. If you send it to me afterwards, all that will be in the link in the description. So if you don't remember, it's down there, you can click on it. And once again, thank you for being on and until next time, stay psyched. Pat Danger  34:06  Thank you for having me on. DJ Psyched  34:07  Thank you so much for listening. The intro and outro beat used on this podcast was made by my friend and producer PME he's super talented, so make sure to check him out. His links are always in the description. And as always, let me know what you're getting psyched about. I do this podcast because I think getting psyched is done best when we do it together. So please let me know and until next time, stay psyched.
Pme is an independent producer who's been consistently producing and releasing hip-hop type beats for about 3 years now. He's also one of my best friends and has been on this podcast 3 times now. In this episode, we share what we've learned from our 3 years of consistent creating and how these things have helped us grow.We also had a lot of laughs and shared our biggest guilty creating habits. Hit: If you're a long time follower of mine you might've noticed something mildly confusing about my page. And we're giving insight into why we do what we do :)The DIY Series is also going strong on my podcast, and I'm now opening up the scene to any independent creator interested! If you'd like to be on the series you can find more information here: https://getdjpsyched.com/artist-highlights/.Mentioned in this Episode:Find PME on...Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7FcmQ...Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pme.jib/Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_Nb...Twitter: https://twitter.com/pmejibMerch: https://teespring.com/new-pme?pid=2&c...To learn more about the Get Psyched Mission:You can Get Psyched on...InstagramTwitterFacebookYoutubeCheckout my friend and fellow creator PME On Spotify(Producer PME has given me permission to use his beat '300k' as the Get Psyched intro/outro beat)
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To learn more about the Get Psyched Mission Click HereCheckout my friend and fellow creator PME On SpotifyEpisode transcript from Otter.ai:DJ Psyched: The DIY series was created to give creators of all kinds, a platform to speak about their independent creating processes. The world of creating and being an independent artist has changed a lot in the last few years. And so I thought it'd be nice to have guests on to talk about their stories and share what they think of the DIY scene, their own personal journeys in the DIY scene, and give some advice to people who are joining the scene. So in today's episode, I got to talk to us more and Reese was super cool, raised as a bass player. He's played in a few bands, he's done YouTube things. He's just a creator all around and he was cool. He was thrilled to talk to you. I really love the things that Reese had to say our conversation is really fun to listen back to. So I hope you enjoy Reese's advice and words of wisdom. And thank you for tuning in. This is the DIY segment with rescoring. I'm DJ Psyched, and you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. Let's get psyched about music. And today we're doing another episode of the DIY series. It's been a while since I've had an artist on this series. So thank you for joining me, Reese. Reese Morin here, I'm just going to start with the obvious Can you introduce yourself and just tell me a bit about yourself who you are what you do?Reese Morin: Oh, yeah. So as stated, I'm Reese Morin, a San Diego resident. I'm a bass player, YouTube cover maker, songwriter master burrito roller. Um, so yeah, I just, I feel like that's a pretty good intro to me.DJ Psyched: Awesome, yeah. And I wanted to bring you up here on the DIY series, because I've been watching your YouTube channel for quite a while, like we were just talking about. And I saw that you were a kid in his room covering bass songs. And from what I saw from following you on Instagram, I think you've definitely come a long way in like, from starting your room, doing covers to, you know, playing with your bands and stuff. Can you explain a bit about like, I guess how you got in to music and how you like chose bass and how that kind of went for you?Reese Morin: Yeah. So when it comes to like getting into music, my biggest I guess inspiration would always go to my oldest brother. Because living with him, he was always like a really good guitar player, played trumpet in all of high school and was like, the lead trumpet is like sophomore year of high school. And like that top band, he was just phenomenal. So I always wanted to do something like that. So I forced my mom to give me music lessons. And originally, I was always like, I want to play violin. I don't know why I just thought it was like super cool. I like the concept. But she had this rule that you have to start out on piano. So I did learn how to do that. And then I kind of stopped. And from there, I went to playing trumpet in like fifth grade. And did that picked up a guitar in like seventh grade just because I saw an ad for this game called Rocksmith. And I was like, yo, that looks so sick. And like I can learn how to play guitar. And so I started learning how to play guitar from that game. So from there, you know, try to start a crappy band with my friends as most people do when they pick up a guitar. And this is like Middle School. So when you're Middle School, no one wants to play bass because it's not cool. Sounds like you know what? I'm gonna like, hit up every relative and stuff that I have tried to make some money. And I had this bass picked out, it was like 100 bucks, and I'm gonna buy it. And I'll just see how it goes. So once I did that, I started playing it. I was like, Oh, I can do this. And I can do it a lot better than I can guitar. Just I have big hands and stuff. Guitar wasn't really my forte. So yeah, after that man, I was playing in the jazz band. I got Bass Lessons. And I just kind of connected it with with it on it like a different level. And I believe YouTube videos came after I was in my first band, which was a metal band. We were playing all the classics of Avenged Sevenfold. unrepeated. Nice. Yeah. So I don't know, I always kind of had a fascination with covers, though on YouTube. Because, you know, I feel like in the world of covers, there's two different sides of it, because you have the people like I believe her name might be like Julia plays groove or something like that, where she takes the song and she keeps that original idea of the baseline. But she's not afraid to go on a tangent with it and like, add her own flat, add her own style to it. But there's also the world where I feel like I tried to fit more into where it's like I'm going to show you note for note what's going on. And part of me is like, let's just show you the cool baseline of the song. But it's also, you know, one thing that was a side effect that I didn't realize when I was doing it is people look at these covers to learn how to play songs. So when you do it like that, like, one of my videos, once a month, I got a comment asking for the tabs, because it's not out there. And I guess I got it decent enough. So it's like, it's just an interesting thing in that regard. And, you know, I've just kind of grown musically from there, I guess.DJ Psyched: Yeah, that is so cool. I love Rocksmith, too. I had that game.Reese Morin: That game. I have it. I had it on PlayStation three. And then I got the PlayStation four. And I literally purchased it again, just because I was like, I want to see if it still holds up. And it does. Yeah, I still play that game a lot. But that's awesome. Like that you started that way. So it's like music, like big in your family like you most people in your family play music? Or is it just kind of like your sibling. I mean, my brother, my oldest brother kind of started it. And then I continued and then now my two younger ones have learned music. But before that it was like the most we had was my mom was in like choir in high school. So I guess my brother sort of started the whole trend of musicians actively doing music in the family. That's cool.DJ Psyched: So I'm just curious, like, because you said he started in like metal. And something I've noticed a lot about you is that whenever like you do, like covers or even like the kind of music that you get involved in and stuff from I seen from your Instagram is that you have a incredibly diverse taste in music. But where did that come from? Like, how did you kind of, I don't know, like if you always just loved all kinds of music or is it like through playing that you've learned to enjoy other styles.Reese Morin: Um, I think it's sort of a combo because my dad was always like, typical dad, he wanted to listen to like Billy Joel and country, which for me, it was like, whatever. And my mom was like super top 40. And my stepdad was super into like, Iron Maiden and stuff. So I kind of always had like, at least a little bit of diversity in what I listened to. Because you have to ride in the car with your parents, you have to listen to what they want to listen to until one day, you take control of that ox. But once I started playing, at least like in guitar, my first like, thing that was mine, so to say, was really enjoying like, blink 182 and the pop punk scene, which is where I owe all my musical. I don't know, everything like that I started because on Rocksmith I've played all the small things and I was like, I can play the shit out of this song. And I just kept learning blink 182 songs. And then when I got to bass, it was like Red Hot Chili Peppers for obvious reasons. So I think, you know, the background for wanting diversity in music for what I listened to was always there. But once I started playing an understanding music more I was able to appreciate more so what was going on in the music, and I guess sort of ignore the genre because it's like, if I'm listening to some periphery song like I posted preposition, which I think is a banging song. I can appreciate the same level of music, technicality and thought that goes into it. As when I go and listen to snarky puppies. We like it here album just because you know, even though the styles are vastly different, the the amount of thought and the amount of care that goes into it in my world is the same. And I just like to see what, what goes into that and how I can learn from those.DJ Psyched: That's really cool. Thank you. Thank you. I like that. So would you say, because I think this is something that's kind of neat about like doing music, especially like as someone who who kind of followed in your footsteps and tried to do a little cover thing, because that's that's how I that's how I first like, ever found you online was that I was really into like blink 182 and Green Day and I remember used to post a lot of covers like that. And I would watch yours because I wanted to. I was trying to learn the same songs like exactly like you said, I was one of those people who's sitting there like, I wonder how he learned how to play this if I could play it from his cover. Yeah, I think what's really neat about that, like in playing and cover bands and doing covers is that when I first started playing I think I went at like playing in my room alone for like years like like it was like four or five years of just playing on my own. And I felt like the first few years obviously you progress really fast. You're you know you're getting your hand motions down. You But you're learning chords, you're like really getting tuned with the instrument. But I feel like when you start recording yourself or start playing with others, the amount of growth you get as an artist is just way faster. It's so much faster when you're doing it that way. Did you feel like that?Reese Morin: Yeah, um, I mean, at least for how I sort of went and musically in my head, I think about what bass I used as my main base for like my era's. Um, so I started with this red bass, and I that was, that was my point where I was sitting in my room, like, all day, every day, just like grinding out, how do I slap? How do I do everything. And then I got this a Squire Jazz Bass and from like, that's what you see on my early videos. That's what I was using in my early bands. So you know, luckily, I was still very much so in that learning phase. So I was sort of learning while I was covering the songs. And I remember like, in the moment, I'd like be listening to like the cover. And I thought, that sounds so good. But then, like, I went back and watch some of my really old ones, like, the other day, I think, when we were talking about doing this, and I was like, Oh, my God, like, the timing is so off. Like, how did I not hear it? But it goes to show the I like musical growth that comes when just with listening and stuff like that, but yeah, I think, you know, you can be a good musician alone, but you don't know how bad you really are, until you record yourself and listen back to it.DJ Psyched: Oh, I completely agree with that. I think what's also really funny, though, and what's what's amazing about getting so deep in music, the way that like you say, like, now that when you start playing more like Okay, first of all, you are way more advanced in music than I am. I know that. And I think it's awesome. Like your musical years, probably way beyond mine. But there's still that barrier between someone who just like, kind of listens to music and like, they appreciate music, but they don't, they haven't played it. So they don't appreciate in that way. I think it's awesome. Whenever I post a cover, and my friends are like, that's really good. But I'm like, Oh, I just posted it. Because I was having fun. That is not my I would make this as representative of how I'm playing. I think it's cool that for the most part, even if it's not perfect, you can get away with most people, there'll be so impressed.Reese Morin: Yeah, that's like the weird thing about posting online that I've sort of had to come to terms with. Because, you know, like, when you sit down you record you want it to be like, this perfect thing, like, no mistakes at all. And then you like, like, ah, and you're like, Ah, shit, I gotta like restart the whole thing. And I started doing a lot more Instagram videos. And with that it like, I'd make like a tiny mistake. And I'd be like, You know what? I know, because I know. But everyone listening? Well, no. And it rains true just because I if I if you go back in like a few days, and you're like, you, like try to listen for that part that like in your head kind of completely ruined it, you won't even tell? Because there's not in that same mindset. So yeah, I think it's just interesting how, for us, listening back to something is terrible. But other people it's like, Whoa, like, just, you're amazing.DJ Psyched: Yeah, that's a really good point you bring because like, I think that's true for anything. Like if you're creating something like while you're in it, you're just like, in such a perfectionist mentality, like, I far too often will make something and I'm like, this sounds terrible. I'm not, I'm just gonna scratch it. And I recently have been like, going back and looking at old projects, old songs and stuff. And I'm like, this is not that bad. Like, I was like, Yeah, you're your own biggest critic while you're doing something, but yeah, take stepping back to really see what's going on.Reese Morin: Yeah, that's the most important thing I believe.DJ Psyched: And so going off of like your first channel, you said like you started the channel after you'd already joined a band, kind of how is because I'm just really curious, like, how is how is your journey been as like, how do you how do you meet other musicians? How have you moved through these phases of like playing with different groups and doing different things?Reese Morin: Yeah, um, well, I guess to go with like, my first band, I kind of just knew the guys from school. They were all a grade above me. I guess I knew one of the guys. And he was like, hey, come jam with us. And I was like, Alright, so I did that. And I did it for like, two years, I believe. And that was going super well. And then over time, we never officially like, called it quits. But practices just kind of stopped happening. And this was like around 2015 I believe something like that. Practice it just kind of stopped happening and it was alright, well, um, I guess I'm just going back to like, sitting in my bedroom. Honestly, for most of it like after that. I joined somewhat Ace which was like, the pop punk band for me. And I got that I believe, just through Instagram messaged like, they were like, Hey, you play bass? Do you want to play with us? And I was like, sure. And that was going out that went super well, you know, it's just in the end wasn't my fit. But I think through most of it, it's just, you know, talking to people, following those people that are in your scene, like, I'm not the biggest person to sit and stay after my set. Because half the time I'm super tired, I know, it's not the greatest thing. But even just like following the bands, get that follow back, whatever. And you're at least on that person's radar a little more. And that's just kind of how I've operated through it all, you know, get get in with some people get in with people who play the same instrument as you. Because then I can't do this gig, can you cover me? You know, and that goes both ways. You give them a gig, they'll give you a gig. And it kind of goes back and forth like that. And I guess for me, that's really all it was, was just knowing people and the scenes weird, you got to play more shows to get more in. But to get in? I don't know, you have to do one to get the other but the other requires? I don't know, I can't think right now. But I think the point comes across?DJ Psyched: No, it definitely does. It's kind of like when when jobs say like, you need you need experience to get in. But it's like you have to find that one job that's willing to take you without experience. So you can have that experience. Exactly, exactly. So that's just kind of how it's been, at least for me, I think that transitions kind of perfectly into what I tried to talk about with a lot of people in this segment, because I do think that there is a scene and there is an art world, what do you think of like the DIY scene these days, like how accessible in a way it is to start your own things? Or to like, put yourself out there? Like, what what are your thoughts on? I don't know, how you started? And how a lot of people start that way.Reese Morin: Um, I mean, I think personally, it's super great that you can literally be, I mean, just to use me, it's like, you could, I was sitting in my house in some small commuter city in California. And I was doing this and suddenly, I had people reaching out to me from not even just like America, but like, from throughout the world, just like, you know, you get those comments, like, greetings from wherever. And it's like, Whoa, and suddenly, now we have this whole thing that the world hasn't seen before, you know, these times where the whole world is so interconnected, and anyone can do anything with this power, which can be good or bad. But I think for like the DIY scene, and people who just want to share their art, I think it's just so powerful. And, you know, it's definitely difficult because as more time comes on, you know, any started in like, 2006, on YouTube, you instantly had an edge, you know, there were just far less people to compete with. But now, you know, you not only have like a YouTube fan base, you have to have like, a tick tock fan base, Instagram, Twitter, you know, you have to sort of find your niche and do that, which can be hard. But I think as long as people stick to whatever they want to do, and just keep that passion alive, like, if you like it, odds are other people like it, how big that other person market is. It depends on what it is. But, you know, I think it's a great thing that people just had that sort of interconnectivity where you're not so much limited by where you are, but you can really just expand. That's awesome.DJ Psyched: I think that's Yeah, I feel, I feel the same way. I think it's really cool that no matter where you are, because because like you said, and like we've already talked about is like the DIY scene, it can be a little bit loopy, in the fact that like to get in to your local scene, you kind of have to get in somewhere, and then you have to keep, and it's kind of hard to get in there initially. But I think a lot of people get kind of an advantage, or it's kind of like, a privilege to us these days that we can literally sit at home and just start something like nothing is if you have the means to get online, then you can post that first video, or you can make that first declaration to do somethingReese Morin: you can literally just like, I mean, this is obviously a bit more on the expensive side. But if you own a Mac, and a guitar or something, you could literally sit there and write a whole album by yourself with like, the live drummer, and the built in keys. You don't even have to own a keyboard. You could just use your keyboard on your frickin' computer. Like I think the fact that we have technology and then once you're done with it, and you're like, this is the shit. You just present. And bam, you're on Spotify, YouTube, SoundCloud, wherever you want to send it, you know, like that's just friggin amazing.DJ Psyched:  That is awesome. And I think it's cool too because like, at least for me in the way I see it and I kind of want to see what you think about it cuz I talk to I like to ask This to anyone I know cuz I'm just curious what people's thoughts are. Because I think one thing that really makes doing this kind of work, like what makes it so cool is like your idea of what you want from it. Like, you don't have to have some crazy insane goal of like having a bunch of people like what you do or having like, or making it your living like, I sure I'm not making a living off of this at all. But it's like one of those things where if you know why you're doing it, if you know the purpose if you're enjoying it. Mm hmm. That kind of makes it all worthwhile. What do you think? Like, what is your idea of like, making it like, if you can start from your bedroom? What do you think as far as like, what do you think it means to make it?Reese Morin: Um, I think for me, like the answer has changed a lot over time. Because when I first started making, it was like, I want to headline a stadium tour. No other answer, like that was that was a, I want to do something like that. And like, do it constantly. I want to be like the next Red Hot Chili Peppers, then it just kind of became like, yeah, I mean, I just kind of want to, like, if I could just tour and make enough to survive. That's cool with me. But I think even now, I think making it would honestly just kind of put me at a place where it's like, I put out music or content of any form that I like. And I think that's really it. As long as I just kind of do what I like, and I'm still happy doing it. For me that would be making it, you know, obviously, I'd want to be able to have a place to sleep at night and be able to afford food. But even like, I don't know if that doesn't come strictly from artistry and music for me. But I'm just doing it because I like to, I'd still be fine with that. I get more pleasure. Now, when like, I put out a solo bass song. And I had people messaging me and like commenting on my posts, like, Yo, this is like so sick. And it was like, that meant more than anything to me more than any musical project, stuff like that. Just because I took this time to write something alone. I feel like it was way more me than any song I've ever been on. And just seeing that people like it. And that I like it too that, for me like was a glimpse of like, yeah, this is. This is all you really want, I guess.DJ Psyched: Yeah, I completely agree with that. And that's why I like to ask people what they think of, of making eggs, I think, yeah, everyone's views change on it. I think I still like regularly kinda have to remind myself what I want from something because I have this problem where I love a lot of things so much that I would love to take them and roll with them. But I have not I've yet to commit myself to something that I agree completely that I like, as long as I wake up every morning, and I'm like, what I did today, it felt good. To me. I put in all I could, and I enjoyed it. I think that's like everything.Reese Morin: Yeah, it's like, as simple as something like that sounds. It's crazy to think that like some days, you're just like, you know, what? wasn't my day? Yeah, even with the goal, just as simple as that, like, just enjoy what you do in your time. Actually, so I think it means a lot when you actually do have those days. Like That was amazing. Yeah,DJ Psyched: you talked about how like you have, like, played other instruments before and how you do like I'm sure, like, even though like, and I totally agree that it's all about just enjoying what you want to do, I think it is always fun to have kind of like in your mind that like, I just want to keep doing it, doing it with more people. And if you know, I do get somewhere one day where I can do this more, that would still be awesome. That would still be that would be making it its own right. It's not necessarily the goal. But that would be kind of neat. Do you have of course, as far as your future, like, in creating and stuff are there like things you want to try out things that you want to do, like maybe explore other instruments or make something like like a solo project, you have any goals like that aspirations.Reese Morin: I mean, a solo project has been on the mind recently for like, maybe like, six months to a year of just sitting down and like trying to write this whole album. And it's gone through like a few iterations in my head of what that would be. Part of me just wants to do like a full acoustic sort of funky vibe. And part of me wants to sit down and create like, I don't know, like, a twin fantasy sort of album. But I don't know, I I don't have any plans of like, I feel like all the instruments I know right now I'm content with and I don't have plans on like, picking up new ones. I just personally feel I still have a lot of growing like on bass and guitar especially. So I think if anything like it'd be doing maybe a solo bass album, or a solo album of any style, and just kind of seeing where that goes. But, you know, I'm honestly pretty stoked. I mean, I'm working the tones the reggae band, I mean, we're getting ready to to record our debut album, we haven't they haven't EP out. But we're getting ready to actually do an actual album. So right now, like that's, that's on the mind and just trying to make sure everything's ready for that.DJ Psyched: Yeah, that's awesome. Like I did see, I saw that the group that you're with now they did have an EP, and that's cool. I'm excited to hear what you all put out.Reese Morin: Thank you. Yeah, we're gonna be recording it with like the people who recorded sublime self titled album. So it should be, like, phenomenal. In terms of how it sounds, I mean, I like the music. I think it's fun, but we'll see what everyone else thinks. But down here, it seems like people are pretty hyped on us. We've been doing a lot of live streams and a lot of just reggae events. And it's been a really good time. That's awesome.DJ Psyched: One more thing I wanted to ask about real quick was just like, because we did talk about it a little bit doing art and all that because you love it. That is very cool. How do you feel about balancing that with, like, having to also, you know, do normal adult responsibilities, like having to work and, and doing school and stuff to like, how do you balance your creative life and what you do with having to do all those other things too.Reese Morin: I'm pretty bad at it, I'll start with that. Because I definitely have that sort of mentality, like, I've gone through phases where it's like, I have a job, or I don't have a job. And they're two very different things, for me, at least in how I operate. Because when I have a job a day job, I should say, it's like, I really like to put in a lot of effort there and like, try to be like the best person there and commit myself to working for this company. And with that, my artists side can get a little wonky. And I'll admit, like, they're sometimes days that go by where it's like, I don't pick up an instrument, just because I don't really have that motivation to sit down and like, grind out a three hour practice session like I used to. But, you know, I think it all just comes down to when you sit down to do your artists creative side, still having that passion when you sit down to do it. Because if you sit down, and you're just like Blair about the whole thing, you're just gonna be hating it the whole time. And I think that's how you just kind of get yourself burnt out. So I think for me, it's just kind of been knowing when I want to play. And when I don't, if I sit down, and I try to play something, it's like, and I'm just really not feeling it. I just accept that and like, set the bass down and come back to it later. And if I play and I'm like, obviously, the greatest thing ever, I'll gladly spend a couple hours learning a song. I just did this just knowing I guess yourself in that regard.DJ Psyched: Yeah, that's a really great answer. And I think I can, I can definitely relate to what you're saying there too. With that, because I didn't realize I thought I was so in this mindset when I was in college that like, once I graduate, I'm just gonna have all this time and energy to put into my creative world. And I'm just going to I'm just going to do all the things that I've been planning over the last few years. And once I started applying to jobs and working and doing adult things like paying bills and stuff, I realized that there's never gonna be just a time in life where you just sit down, it's like, okay, now I can do my projects. Like, like, now I can just spend months doing it. It's just not realistic. I feel I feel you on that whole, like, some days. I just don't do anything for the creative world. Like some days, I'm just mostly just living like a person, I have to do my job. I have to clean my house like, yeah, some days are just normal people days, and then some days, it's time to do the work. I think that's like normal and pretty healthy to take the time to live as a person. I don't know if that made any sense. But to me.Reese Morin: No, no, I completely understand what you're saying. And I think it's, I mean, yeah, I couldn't agree more. Sometimes you just got to be a person. Let your creative side go. And rest.DJ Psyched: But I really, really liked what you said about like, when you do sit down and do it, though, make sure you still have it in you to remember that you enjoy doing that thing that you're doing and why you're doing it. I think that is what makes all the difference. You know, like when, instead of just like kind of letting life take over is that reminding yourself sometimes Okay, I have a minute now. Let me go back to that thing.Reese Morin: Yeah, yeah, of course. Just do it because you like it? I don't know, simple but some people can get lost in it. Because, you know, you get so engrained, at least with people I know. You know, they've been doing it for so long. And I know a lot of people who are like very, very advanced in the musical world. I know one person who we went to Berkeley together and he got so into like ear training and like understanding music and whatnot. When he drives, he won't listen, because this brain can't stop analyzing what's going on and he hates it and I just Don't want to see, I guess anyone go through something like that. Because obviously he got into getting into that level because he loved it. But at this point, it harms him. I guess. And that might be an over exaggeration. But, you know, I don't like to see people just get caught up in like the routine of it and feel like they have to do because well, it's the routine.DJ Psyched: Yeah, that actually makes me want to ask you this one question. I used to always say like, Oh, I'd be making it if I could just make a living off of what I do. But I've, after many years of doing different things, and enjoying different things, and working for different people that are our creative and stuff. I love doing creative work for other people I love, like getting paid to help other people with certain things or doing certain things. But I'm not sure anymore. If at this point in my life, I would want any of my hobbies, like as far as music or writing, I don't know if I would want them to be my full time job. Because to me, that just sounds like really, like it would suck the joy out of it if like, yeah, I can't just do it because I want to do it. Or if I can't just do something and make something how I want it. Like I don't know, if I could ever have someone telling me how to do my thing, or that you need to do it by this point to make this money. What do you think about that? Do you think that there's like, it just depends like, would you want to make money off of everything you do? Or do you like that? It's just completely up to you all the time.Reese Morin: This is something that personally, I've been like struggling with, I think over the past. While I couldn't even put a date on it. It's just like, for me, at least I've sort of gone through this mentality of well, do I want to do music as my career so to say, because I am going to school for marketing. And it's like I could viably find something that could support me and do it pretty well, I think that as long as throughout the process, I enjoy it. And as long as I know when to stop, if I'm sitting there and you know, things are going well, musically things are happening, and I'm enjoying it, then that's cool. And I'd be happy to keep doing it. But if I'm sitting there and enough time has passed, you know, it's not just like a seasonal thing, or, you know, I my own mindset for a certain little bit of time to know that like, I'm just not happy doing it. As long as I know when to stop and take a step back and relive some life for me, then I think I'd be content with creating art and creating music. As long as I can just keep a balance in my own life.DJ Psyched: I think that's a really good answer. Reese Morin: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. It's a hard thing. And I think it's something that every artist has to think about at some point is, do you really want this to be your job? Because if you do, it's no longer sitting here in your room and doing this, like, you're gonna have people with deadlines and doing whatever. And how much do you want to deal with that? And how much of that can you put up with? Yeah, and still enjoy what you're doing?DJ Psyched: Yeah, I think honestly, just having that awareness and like, knowing that before you go into it kind of gives you that advantage. You know, when you're in it, you're kind of already expecting to have to take those moments to really reflect every now and again to make sure you're still with it. SoReese Morin: yeah, yeah, that's why vulfpeck is a cool band. Because they don't have people telling them, I guess what to do. And there's a big advantage to that indie side, kind of rephrase, I guess what I said a little bit there is with the DIY scene that we've been talking about. And ever since we're coming out the emergence of the indie scene, not like indie music that has its own genre for some reason. But the whole indie scene where, you know, you can essentially be a band that tours and does big shows, without ever having that, like, record label that management telling you what to do. And I think that with the times that's extremely, extremely valuable, and something that I think given more time to fully develop, because I mean, this whole thing is still relatively new in terms of the music industry, and being able to operate without anyone's help, just by growing your own fan base and whatnot. So I think given time, that'll almost become a lot more normal, and it'll change how musicians operate on their own.DJ Psyched: That's awesome. You just yeah, you answered my last question right there. I was gonna ask what do you think of the future the DIY scene. Reese Morin: I think that's about it. I think it's just gonna be changing and I think we're gonna see a lot more people being able to live a fully operational life without having to sign their Soloway and they can do it on their terms and not have to worry about deadlines and people coming down their throats just just the fans coming down.DJ Psyched: Yeah, that's awesome. I Well, I really appreciate you willing to be on today and talking is really nice talking to you. I liked hearing what you had to say.Reese Morin: Thank you very much for having me. I enjoyed having this conversation. I look forward to watching more of what you do, and hearing other people's input on the world of music, and art.DJ Psyched: Thanks. Do you have any last words you want to say for anyone listening, maybe advice you want to give to someone who's starting in the music scene or just just something you can literally say whatever you want here?Reese Morin: Well, um, I'll go with the advice category for $500. I think, to anyone who's starting out in music, or any art of any form, to kind of wrap up just everything I've said, I think Don't be afraid to take a step back. Don't be afraid to find inspiration. In other art, whether that be musician looking at a painting and being like, I'm gonna make an album about this painting or whatever. Or even just with different genres, like I was talking about earlier, inspiration and admiration can come from a lot of places. So just try to keep that mentality and keep an open head. And just don't be afraid to one day, be like, you know what, I'm gonna take this day off and keep your mental health clean. Because if your mental health isn't there, your music or your art is going to suffer. So I think that's the most important thing. keep finding inspiration and keep your mental health good. Don't be afraid to talk. Awesome.DJ Psyched: Thank you for that piece of advice. So that was that was our talk together if you listen to this whole podcast, thank you for listening, and until next time, stay psyched.
To learn more about the Get Psyched mission, click here.Checkout my friend and fellow creator PME On Spotify(Producer PME has given me permission to use his beat '300k' as the Get Psyched intro/outro beat)Episode transcript from Otter.ai:I'm DJ Psyched, you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. And today's episode is going to be a lot different than the usual content I've been making and the content from here on out is going to be a bit different. So I thought I'd come on the channel and just kind of talk about why that is what kind of changed and what's going to happen next year. Because I have talked about before in the past that if I ever wanted to change the mission statement, or if I ever saw something different, I kind of wanted to be transparent about it. And so I thought now was the perfect time to do this. Because I have been feeling lately, like, the contents got to change, Something's got to give, I've been changing the system of how I've been doing things, my life changed a little bit. And I feel like if I don't adapt my content to how I'm feeling, it's just going to be coming off a lot less authentic. And it's going to be a lot less of what I want. I want to go a different way about how I'm doing this podcast because I want to get different results from it. And so the questions I've come up with today, the things that I've been pondering a lot lately that made me finally come to this decision was, who is DJ Psyched? Why do I Get Psyched? Most importantly, what do I want from this? What am I even trying to do or create? That's something that I think I didn't ponder enough. When I first started making this podcast, I started this podcast back when I worked with WKNC. And I really didn't know exactly what I wanted from it. Besides the fact that i thought you know, the Get Psyched. Mission sounds really cool. Talking to DIY artist. Sounds cool. Talking about music sounds really cool. I mean, is a radio station. So it all made sense. And it fit and it was cool. And it was fun. The content has always been meaningful to me. And I always hope that like, by doing the work, I was growing as an artist and a creator and that I'd be able to help other artists and creators. And I haven't done a DIY segment in forever. But that was definitely one of my favorite things that I ever did on the podcast, that and the book club. And I'm starting to finally realize why those things meant so much to me, because like I just said, I used to have DIY creators on my podcast a lot, because I thought it was cool to learn from them learn about their experiences and creating. And I thought it made me a better creator. In the end, too. I thought it would help me develop, learn new things, try new things. And I don't know how to say this any more blatantly. Then, by making so many videos and podcasts, I felt like less of an artist and a creator, and just someone who was putting things out. And not that any of my materials ever inauthentic or stuff I'm not psyched about I've loved everything that I put out to this point. But I have noticed that lately, when I release a YouTube video or a podcast, I don't have the time to put into it like I want to. So it doesn't come out how I'd want. I don't feel like I'm really doing the art of storytelling. Sometimes I feel like I'm just getting things out there. And I didn't like that. Because the whole point of the Get Psyched mission was to grow as a creator and an artist and in the passions, I already have not let video taking take over the other passions to the point where I don't even have anything to make videos about anymore, because all I'm doing is making videos. So it's hard to make videos, when I'm no longer just doing the things that making videos was easy for. I don't know if any of that made sense. But long story short, I think that by having this doing a podcast every Monday and having a video every Friday and trying to really stay on top of things, and trying to also make my art better quality and try to come up with better videos, I was actually coming out with videos that were not as good because I would try to do all this stuff to make it really good. And then I'd be meeting a deadline, and then it wouldn't come out quite like I wanted. And I don't really need to do that at all. Like it's really dawned on me lately that I'm the only one putting this kind of pressure on myself. I want to focus on actually doing the things that I'm psyched about. I want to focus on actually curating the art that I'm trying to learn more about and get better. And so I've decided that the Get Psyched mission, it's going to slow down a lot, I realized that I have a lot of passions and hobbies and things I want to make videos about. I have spreadsheets, I have an air table, I have all kinds of things, organizing all my ideas. I'm not going to run out of ideas anytime soon. But I realized that I was also rushing all those ideas, instead of taking the time to slow down, do things little by little I was rushing, rushing, rushing and everything was not coming out the way I liked it. And I felt like I had less time to sit back and enjoy myself because in the back of my mind, I'm always going I don't have a video to edit, don't have a thumbnail make don't have to promote this though. And I guess if this was my full time job, and I had nothing else going on that be just fine. I would be so psyched to spend a lot of time doing that. But I don't quite have that time right now to like devote time to editing and doing all this promoting and stuff. And still having time to actually sit back and enjoy the things that I'm talking about on my channel and actually sit back and like be doing the things I get psyched about on my channel. So I realized that by doing so much, I was actually doing very little. So that's where I see myself right now. I think that if I slow down on just releasing content and focus on actually making sure that the content is stuff that I really care about and that I can spend time doing it and that I don't have to constantly be thinking about making a podcast or a video want it to be the kind of thing where like, I make book club videos, I want to spend a lot of time reading so that these can be good episodes where I talk about books, I can make lists, I can do really fun things with that I can have more people come on and talk of my DIY segment, I want to be able to really put my time into other things. I want to go back to my art. I recently started playing music a little bit lately. And I realized that I completely neglected that hobby while I was making these videos. And while I was trying really hard to do this thing, I've haven't been writing as much lately. I don't have all the time in the world right now, like I said, and I can't put my 100% of my time into this. And I realized that by doing so much, I was doing so little. And that's basically the whole point of what I've been saying here. So who is DJ Psyched? Why do I get psyched, I love doing things I really do. I love trying new things. And I found that some things that I've done in my life have made my life better. I really love working out that was something that was really impactful. To me, reading made a huge difference in my life. And that's why I make content around that kind of stuff. Because working out reading all these little things I talked about, they made me better. And so I'm hoping that by sharing cool books that I like with people that that it'll get people that were like me, I hated reading. I hated reading when I was a kid, I never read, I didn't have a good reading level. And then in college, like literally, not even two years ago, maybe like a year, year and a half ago, I decided I would try reading and it was amazing. It was so fun. And I think it did a lot for me. And that's why I want to talk about reading with people working out was the same way I didn't really work out until sophomore year. And I think working out has been a really cool outlet for me. And it's really helped me. And that's why I want to talk about these things. And I don't want to just keep making content about things when I feel like I'm just kind of on this weird hustle and grind. And I'm not doing all the things I want to do, which is why I'm re evaluating the Get Psyched mission. And I'm just gonna put out podcast every Monday, if I do come out with a video, it'll just be random. I'm not gonna like force myself to come up with a video every Friday anymore, because making random videos really isn't what excites me anymore. I want to do the things I want to spend my time making music, I want to Get Psyched behind the scenes, I want to do these things. And something that is also very big for me as DJ Psyched as lean as whoever you want to call me. I love sticking to my values. I love living a life that I feel is meaningful and impactful. And I'm actually following my values and I value spending quality time with friends and family. I value my health, I value constantly trying to grow because I know I'm not perfect. I can improve all the time. There's all kinds of things I could do. I want to be doing things that are meaningful. I want to make sure that everything I do is impactful. And I want to make sure that I'm intentional about things that I do. I want to be intentional about how I treat people around me. I want to be intentional about the content I create. And I want to be intentional about how I'm living my life. And I feel like lately I haven't been intentional in the right ways. I haven't been mindful enough to step back and be like, you know, maybe even though I do want to do this getting psyched thing, even though I love making videos, maybe right now is not the time to go full force doing a video every Monday and video every FridayAnd this is just a really long introduction to what I'm hoping is a different chapter and how I approach making content a different chapter in how I approach creating and this mission, because it shouldn't be about trying to do a bunch and just getting stuff out there should actually just be about enjoying it. It's not like I was miserable. Making my content the other week, it's just that I've noticed lately, I feel like I'm rushing projects and ideas and not putting the time and effort I want behind it. But also the whole point in the Get Psyched mission is to get psyched about things to try new things to figure things out. I mean, I actually have no idea what I want to do with my life still be quite honest. I do love music. I love psychology. I love health. I love making content. But if you were to ask me, which I get asked a lot, you know, where do you see yourself in five years? What do you plan to do? My honest answer is, I have no idea still. And the reason I do a lot of the stuff that I do is because I believe in proactively figuring it out. I'm not just gonna sit in my bed all day and wonder what is it that I'm gonna do with my life? I'm just gonna enjoy what I'm doing today. I'm gonna get psyched about what I'm getting psyched about today. And if it ever doesn't feel right, then I'm going to stop and be like, well, maybe this saying it. And that's what I'm doing right now. I love making videos. I love making podcasts. I love doing this kind of content. But at the moment, this just isn't it for me. So I stopped I re evaluated it and hopefully by doing this new chapter where I kind of sit myself down and really think, okay, now I'm just doing the podcast now I'm just focusing on making these podcast episodes really good. What direction should this podcast go and over the next few weeks, maybe even months, I might be rebranding and changing the way I do things here.And I'm really excited for that because the podcast has been going on for over eight months now, which is so awesome to think about but it's also been eight months and it's time to change things up a little bit because I feel like now that I'm out of school and Things have changed a lot in my life, I got to reevaluate what I'm doing. I got to reevaluate where I'm going. And this is whole long winded introduction as to who DJ Psyched is. And what I'm doing here is just my way of saying that. I think that by doing this, I think that by slowing down, really focusing on what I'm doing focus on my writing a little more focused on reading a bit more focused on doing things outside of just making videos and really like the things I'm talking about in the videos and things I'm doing, making music again, writing short stories, again, really doing these things. I feel like if I keep changing things up, exploring, and reevaluating the mission, every now and again and really feeling for what I like, hopefully, I will actually find out a solid direction for what I'm doing here and choose what I'm going to do with my life. I've had dreams of writing books before. I've started a book that I really like, maybe I'll go down that avenue. Sometimes I like to write music and I think be kind of neat to write an EP and finally get one out. Who knows. But the whole point is, I'm DJ Psyched. This is what getting psyched is all about. It's all about getting excited about things, but also staying mindful reflecting on what you're doing this this is what the Get Psyched mission is it involves a lot of things. It's not just about being excited, Get Psyched is just an extension of me who I am who is DJ Psyched. I'm someone who loves self development a little too much. It's actually really cheesy. Like I have so many self development books. I love Matt D Avella. I love that side of things. I love health. I love fitness, you know, Get Psyched. It's all called Get Psyched. I'm DJ Psyched. This is the Get Psyched. Mission. It's all one thing. I am DJ Psyched. Everything that I am is the Get Psyched mission. It's about being mindful, it's about being aware. It's about being intentional and reflecting. But it's also about just having fun, trying new things, reading, health, whatever excites you, whatever gets you excited. Whatever is a part of your life. It's all about exploring those things, sharing them with other people, really caring about what we do, really trying to get other people to be excited about things and care really building this community of people who can get psyched, who can hold each other accountable, who love what they're doing. You love to create, I love being able to support my friends who create PME he's the guy who made the intro be to this YouTube channel and podcast, and a really good friend of mine. He's super cool, Pat danger, all kinds of people I've had on the DIY segment, all kinds of friends I have, who also create that's what the Get Psyched mission is about.  It's about being excited and building a community. I want the community around me to be people who are also excited about creating people who are also figuring out what they're doing people who were also working on that kind of stuff. That's just what it means to Get Psyched. I feel like up until this episode, I've kind of always had this. I am DJ Psyched, and I Get Psyched. And that's really cool. I love doing that. I love making that kind of content. But I feel like I never was actually myself on any of these channels. And so the difference is going here on forward. Like I said, I'm just going to be doing the podcast every Monday. I'm just going to be trying things to get psyched about see where I'm going and hopefully I can just be more me. DJ Psyched here on this channel. I'm DJ Psyched. This is the Get Psyched YouTube channel and Get Psyched podcast. Thank you so much. If you listen to this whole podcast and if you watch this whole rant of mine, I really appreciate it. If you're on the YouTube channel, you can leave a comment below. I'd love to talk and get psyched about things. I don't know. But thank you for listening and until next time, stay psyched.
Get Psyched intro music was created by PME, used by permission. Find PME on Spotify. DJ Psyched's structured blog post DJ Psyched's YouTube video on Staying Healthy During Quarantine. Episode transcript from Otter.ai:I'm DJ Psyched, you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. And today I'm super psyched because I'm talking about something I have been wanting to talk about forever. How to stay fit and healthy in quarantine. What does that even mean? Why is it so important? And how do we do it, I just want to encourage people to try and think about this a little bit. Because I think that there's definitely been an interesting culture around quarantine, we're all trying to get used to it, we're all trying to understand it. We're all trying to develop our lives around this quarantine, especially because we don't know how long this kind of thing will last. And as we're going in developing, the world is changing. We all remember when this started, everyone was going out and getting way too many groceries and buying up all the toilet paper and everyone's doing things very different now. The world looks very different. And we're all kind of settling into quarantine. That's why I think this is a really great time to talk about this staying fit and healthy and practicing wellness in quarantine, because we don't know how long this kind of thing will last. And it's important for us to take care of ourselves. And I think mindset is everything, especially on a group level, we're heavily influenced by the people around us. So the messages that are being put out about quarantine, we got to be careful about what we're saying, we got to be careful what we're spreading online, we got to be careful as a group, how we're thinking of quarantine and how we're thinking of how we care for ourselves in quarantine. And so I want to bring into the conversation, talk about taking care of ourselves and practicing wellness in all aspects of our lives physically. and mentally. I think that this is the most essential time to practice taking care of both of those things, physically taking care of ourselves is our only defense against this thing aside from you know, keeping our distance and being safe. So it's important to practice that. And it's also really important to take care of our mental health, because it's even harder to manage that kind of thing. When you're socially isolated a lot when you're dealing with something that's really stressful. The whole world is going through this right now. And it's very stressful. It's taxing on our minds. And it's hard to deal with because we don't have people the same way that we used to. And so I think it's really important to do this. But I'm not just here to talk about why this is important, though, I want to talk about real tips that I've been using and tips that I've thought of that could really help in staying fit healthy and well in quarantine. And I think this is really important. So I hope you can utilize some of these tips. And I think this is a really important discussion. So if you think of anything that I don't think of, definitely let us know in the comments below. Hit me up, I would love to hear what you have to say. And before I start this, I'm gonna say there are a lot of people online who are a part of this discussion in a very good way. I think people like every damn day fitness, I think swole enormous, they've got the right idea. So those are some people that if you listen to this, and you want to find people who have similar messages, I do think that those two are doing a really good job at talking about this right now. So let's just get into it. Here are a few tips of how to take care of your health and wellness during quarantine. First and foremost, I want to say that physical health and mental health are largely controlled by three things, what we eat, how we sleep, and what we consume. I think these three things are really essential in health, there's a lot of other things that go into health. But those three things are such key to being physically healthy. And in helping our mental health. We need to sleep the proper hours, it helps with our immunity, it helps keeps us alert. And it also helps in our social well being and it helps balance mood. So that is a huge one. And also moving getting moving, getting your body getting some exercise, it's good for you, it's good for building your cardiovascular system, it can help with your breathing and your resting heart rate. And it just makes you healthier overall. And then of course what we're eating, we got to be careful to make sure we're consuming the right things, eating the right kinds of foods, getting the right kinds of nutrition, getting the right vitamins, and minerals, all that stuff will benefit our health. So those are three areas I'm really gonna focus in on here. Like I said, eating is a big thing. So I think it's really important when we're in quarantine, to practice things that'll help make sure that we're eating well, a lot of people when this first started, it was like a group mentality that "okay, we're in quarantine, get anything you can from the grocery store, get all the stuff and everything was wiped off the shelves and it was hard to come across good food." Sometimes in some stores, I went to plenty of places that didn't that produce and meats and all that. But we've gotten to a point in quarantine, where that's really not seem like an issue. I mean, at least in my area, I'm able to find good food, everywhere I go. I'm not really scavenging for food anymore. I can go on regular grocery shopping trips, of course, being careful and wearing a mask and not going out too much. But I am able to go on those weekly or every two week trips and get things that I need. So making sure that when you go to the grocery store, you're picking out the right foods, you're not in that mentality of Yeah, I'm going to do whatever I want. Because we're in a pandemic. We've been in this for a while. We don't know how long we're gonna be in quarantine. And we got to focus on our health. So it's not just about, let's just eat what we want because we're in quarantine. Let's think about it as like this is an important time for me to take care of my health. What can I get and now that I have access to really good foods, what should I get and this is my tip for that. If You're going to be at home a loy . If you're someone like me who works at home, and does everything from home and you're always at home, make sure to only bring good things into your home, you can't really be eating things that you shouldn't or consuming things that you don't want to be consuming when you're bored, if you don't bring it into your house, that's a huge tip for weight loss in general. And during this time of quarantine, I think it's important to remember that if it's not in your home, if it's much harder to access, then you'll be better off. So don't bring things into your home that you don't want to be eating if you're trying to eat better, but you're like, oh, but I'm at home all the time. And there's that tempting thing in the kitchen. Don't put that thing in the kitchen. That's my number one tip on that. But also make it fun for yourself. If you are stuck at home and you feel bored a lot. Maybe you don't know what to do with your time or you're starting to get tired of doing the same old activities. Try and cook, buy whole foods, buy things that you'd have to cook from scratch and build up and cook them. Make these meals yourself. So you know what's going in them learn a little bit about nutrition in your downtime, so that you can make yourself things that you can feel proud of when you eat and you're like, Oh, I'm eating this. I'm nurturing my body. And I know I'm doing something good for myself, it really does feel good to like cook a new recipe and be like, dang, this tastes amazing. I did a good job. And I know this is gonna be good for my body. So try new things, explore new things, get some groceries, spend your time thinking about recipes, maybe order a recipe book online or something get involved in that make it a part of your quarantine experience. My next biggest tip for anyone who's really struggling right now, whether you're stuck at home alone, or you have a few family members around you something that's really hard right now on people is the lack of community that is difficult, it's very hard thing to get around. There is of course things like you know, FaceTime, or Skype, you have access to any of that stuff, it can be really neat to talk to your friends or family that way. But there is still this lack of genuine community that can make a lot of things really hard on us, right? Aside from just the fact that it can be lonely at times, it can be hard, if you were the kind of person who went to the gym very regularly, maybe you went to group fitness classes, maybe you were the type of person who really made your fitness a partnership thing, a group thing, it could be very difficult to now be alone. And now you have to figure out like how you're going to motivate yourself on your own without that community. And this is what I have to say join an online community for fitness. There are so many places for free. There's so many people who very much for free, who are promoting really good healthy habits, who are promoting wellness, who are constantly posting about this stuff. And if you are spending a lot of time on social media, then maybe having things in your feed that you think are helping your goals, things that are making you feel like you're a part of something again, that can be really helpful. If you didn't have the money and you don't want to join a community for money. There are plenty of communities where you could just go on YouTube watch videos, everyone in the comment section is talking about this thing. Or you could go on Facebook and find a group you could go on Reddit, whatever your thing is literally anything you can probably even find one on discord like a discord for healthy people or people who are trying to encourage wellness and good habits, you can find these communities and searching for a community is something to do. So that's cool, you'll have some fun to do there. And then finding a community that fits you, it's gonna feel so good to have people to talk to you about these things to feel like you're not alone in this journey. Having a community is key in anything with the people you surround yourself with. Like they say, You are the sum of the five people you hang out with the most, or something like that. Basically, who you surround yourself with is kind of who you start to become. Make sure that your community is full of people who have these similar goals, who want to do these things, who also care about their wellness and the physical aspect and the mental aspect. I think that's really important. A very cool tip I have for this one is sweat checks. This might sound a little silly, but hear me out. It's really cool. What you do is once you find some friends who are in this with you once you have some friends or some people in your life, we're like yeah, we want to spend our time in quarantine taking care of ourselves too. We want to do this thing. Let's keep each other accountable. Something that's really easy and fun that really encourages people to do these healthy habits is to post about it online and to make it a group effort. Sweat checks is basically when you take a picture of yourself when you're in the middle of a workout or something and you're doing something for your wellness you just snap a little picture of it and then you write sweat check and you tag the friends you have this agreement with I had a few friends I did this with at the start a quarantine you know I do my daily workout be like sweat check add that @ and then they would do it back to me. You know, they would take their little picture and do it back at me. But we couldn't take our pictures unless we were actually working out right. It was fun. It was exciting. I really loved posting my sweat checks. I loved seeing their sweat checks. We were encouraging each other in these good habits and it was a really fun time. So I definitely think that doing something like this having a little challenge like people love social media use it for good. Don't let social media control you control it make it the platform you want it to be follow the communities you want to see. See the messages you want to see and post about what you want to post. So if you're trying to get healthy, make your feet all about the health good people who are giving you good information, and then post things that matter to you. If you want to post your workouts. Don't let anyone make you feel bad about it. If it encourages you go for it. tag your friends in it. Get them in on this, make it a group effort, make your own community if you don't want to go search for one, I just went on a whole rant there. But yes, community is a huge one, especially this time of quarantine. Having a community like that could be so essential to your health and wellness, you want to surround yourself with people who have similar goals who are trying to build themselves up as well. People who care about their well being and people who care about your well being people that can grow with you make sure that you're surrounding yourself with that kind of energy. And you will see improvements in yourself, even in this time in quarantine, where we can't be close to people. A few other very relevant tips I have for this are well okay, let's say you want to find a community online. Let's say that you want to search for one you want to join one. How do you know if something's absurd versus genuine wellness and genuine tips that are actually going to help you and benefit your life. If someone's telling you exactly what to do if there is this generic, not at all personalized thing that someone is selling you in the world of health, it is probably just someone trying to make money. If someone says eat 30 cucumbers every day or workout on this exact routine all the time, like they didn't even ask for your goals. They didn't ask what you're looking for. They're just like, do this. That's not the kind of community want to join. You don't want to join a community of people who are just like, this is the thing that works do this thing. Unless you're really into something I don't know, maybe you've already tried something on your own. I like fasting, I would be down to talk to people who like fasting, but also fasting is in my whole life. I think wellness goes way beyond fasting. I don't think it's for everyone. And I don't encourage everyone fast. It's just something I like to do. I also have a podcast on that if you want to see my thoughts on fasting, but it's just something I do. It's something I like, but I don't think everyone should do it. And if you're following people who are like everyone should do this, that maybe isn't the best community in the world. So look for communities that are generally giving you wellness tips, do these things that are safe and quarantine and good for you. And then they're also saying things like well eat foods that are tailored good to you make sure it's good for you. I really likes  swole enormous and I know I keep bringing  swole enormous up. But I really do like swole enormous because swole enormous says things like you should do an elimination diet, see what foods aren't good for your body and then tailor your food to you. That's brilliant. He also does things like meditation, all these other good things. And I think those are all great practices. And I think that's the kind of community I'd encourage. I'm not saying you have to run off this video and go watch  swole enormous and every damn day fitness though I think that's great advice. I think that you should find a community that entices you, that speaks to you and make sure that it's something that is actually looking out for your well being is actually looking for you to build a good lifestyle. We are individuals, we need to tailor what we do to ourselves, we tailor our food to ourselves, we tailor our workouts to ourselves.If someone is selling a service more like you can be my client, I'll help build you a custom workout plan, we can have these group chats. And if they're making it an experience that's more of a lifestyle and they're tailoring it to you, that's much more likely to be a legit thing. When you find a community make sure that it's a good one. And my last tip on this community building is if you know someone who is really into fitness or well being and you're just kind of stuck, like even after watching this video, you're like, I want someone to help guide me more individually, then go to that fitness friend. I'm not saying everyone's just gonna go around giving out free workout plans or anything like that. But try and talk to people around you who have already done these kinds of things. A lot of people know someone who's been on some kind of fitness journey. A lot of people know people who probably understand this a little bit more have been on their journey a little longer. Maybe try and reach out to them. I mean, there's someone who's a resource has already gone through this, maybe they have the right ideas, but don't ever take anyone's information was like, the end all be all. Even someone in real life could be doing things that maybe aren't the best. Like I said, always go for that general wellness, don't take someone's word if they're just like, do this thing. And that's gonna work. But that's a tip I have, you could definitely talk to someone, I would be more than happy to talk to anyone in my life about this kind of stuff. If someone wants to sit down have a conversation to me about wellness and their goals. I'd love to talk about it. And you could definitely talk about it with me in the comments below. I'm not out here making progress people or anything. I'm just saying in a general sense. I do love to have these conversations. I am a nasm certified personal trainer. But aside from that, I don't like have huge credentials. I have a bachelor's in psychology, if that means anything. But again, I just like to do things more generally, I think this advice is just helpful in a very general sense. Continuing on, let's say you've gotten yourself to that point where you've decided Yes, it's the mindset I want. I want to take care of myself in quarantine, I want to do what's best for me. That's amazing. you've joined a community or you found people that have similar goals and you're ready to go at this. All right, good. Now what I do have some more specific advice. There is a lot you can do with at a gym. There's a lot you could do at home. And I think it starts right on this platform. If you're on YouTube. If you're on YouTube, then right here on this platform. There is so much information for you. There are so many at home workouts right now. Everyone is posting them because we're in quarantine. There are so many at home workouts you could find right now that can be customized to what you have and your goals. It can be hard when you're a beginner to know exactly what you should be doing. And I can't really sit here like I said, I can't sit here and tell you like this is what you should do this what you should do. I don't know your goals. I don't know your stories. I don't know If you have any injuries or anything like that, but there is a lot of information you can get online if you are injury free and you feel comfortable doing at home workouts guided by YouTube, then search up some see what's out there, watch these videos. There's a lot of really good ones. I can link below some of my favorites. Like I said, there's not an end all be all i'm not saying you should do the workouts I do. But I'll just post some that I like if you're interested in seeing because there are a lot of really cool free at home workouts right now because people are trying to help people are trying to do their part. And some people do just kind of post their teasers you know, like they'll post like one workout on their YouTube channel so that you'll buy their program for at home workouts. You don't have to buy their program if you don't have the money or don't want to you just watch the free videos, do some workouts, explore with different channels, see what you like there's so many free resources for you to do stuff at home.And the cool part is you can straight up go into Google and type in like let's say you just have one set of dumbbells that are kind of light for you say light dumbbell workout at home. There's someone has made a video on that by now you can put in whatever equipment you have. If you're limited with like very few equipment if you have absolutely no question you could type in no equipment at home workouts. bodyweight workouts are good for you doing cardio is good for you. There's plenty of workouts you can do without having any equipment. But if you do have equipment, and you just don't know how to use it, there are plenty of resources that teach you how to use whatever equipment you have. And just like I said, with the communities, there's going to be information out there that's good for you. And there's going to be information out there. That's not so good. Personally, my thing is, like I said, I like people who are looking out for my wellness, who are not trying to sell me one little thing really quick fix quick fixes. They don't exist with your health and your wellness, it's about having habits that are good for you consistently keeping up with habits that are good for you. And just doing the wellness all the time making it a part of your life, there's no quick fix thing. So if you're looking for something that's a quick fix, that's not the right videos, it's not we should be looking for look for stuff that's more like lifestyle workout, that is more long term. If it says you're gonna make abs in seven minutes, I wouldn't trust that.Sometimes people do have good videos, but they're just advertising it ridiculously because they want to get views. Don't believe that a seven minute workouts gonna get you shredded, targeted fat loss does not exist. I'm not going to get into too much detail about that stuff. It's all about doing what's good for your body working out well. You can target muscle growth, but you can't target fat loss. Fat Loss happens in the kitchen caloric deficit. That's that's is that now moving on. My last tip is on equipment. If you're interested in equipment, if you know you've decided like I actually want to kind of invest in some equipment, what what do you recommend, like I said, I'm not like a huge expert on this. But I do want to talk on some of the stuff I bought because it's been very helpful. I miss having a gym, I miss having a gym so much, but I don't feel comfortable going into a gym right now. So I'm not going to do that. But I have acquired a little bit of workout equipment. During this time in quarantine, when quarantine started, I had three sets of dumbbells and that was it, I was still doing as much as I could with those three dumbbells. But I did eventually decide that I wanted to vary my workouts a little bit have something that could give me some variety in my workout. So I got resistance bands disclaimer like with anything, you got to be careful, you got to kind of know what you're doing. Don't hurt yourself, a resistance bands, you know, you got to be careful with them. But they have been helpful to me I like the resistance bands I'm using having three sets of dumbbells, I think is really nice. If you are looking to have a minimal setup, but you want something that's effective, I would say figure out what weights are good for you figure out what a normal weight is for you in most workouts and figure out what a heavier weight would be for you and what a lower weight would be. I think three sets of dumbbells is really cool, because you could have that mid range weight that is generally good for most workouts and they get that lightweight that you could use for certain workouts like when I work my shoulders and stuff, I'm going to use my lightweight most of the time and sometimes my mid range. And if I'm going to do stuff that's a bit more compound, you like kind of doing a Romanian deadlift or something, I'm gonna want something a little heavier. So having three sizes of dumbbells, I think has been really helpful and really cool. Having the resistance bands to that also have different levels of tension so that I can make it really light or really heavy. It's really nice to have that variety in there. And then the last two things I have are yoga mat and a pull up bar. Yoga mat is easy, it's nice and comfortable. It's more comfortable and laying on a towel in my opinion, but it's not totally necessary, you could definitely do those kinds of moves or something else. I do think a yoga mat is a good investment because it may just be a simple like oh you're just off the ground a little bit but it does help if you're trying to do those kinds of movements and it helps with stretching and there's a lot of at home yoga workouts you can do so that's a really cool option. Last thing I have is a pull up bar. My pull up bar goes up on that door there like I said with anything you got to be careful on the pull up bar has been really cool. I really love that I can do pull ups now. It's a really good compound workout and I love doing pull ups. So that's been a cool development. My general tip is you don't have to go out and buy a bunch of equipment at once and just like have a whole home gym made overnight. I got all this stuff at different points. in quarantine. I use just the dumbbells for a very long time. Got the resistance bands after moving into this apartment and then only a few weeks ago, did I acquire that pull up bar. It's a slow, steady process. It doesn't have to be terribly expensive. You don't need to get a whole like bench press machine that you can do deadlifts with and squat right away if you don't have space for that kind of thing. There's still stuff you can do, there's still plenty things you could do to work out. And like I already said, there's a lot of cool things you can do outside too, if you're not really into weight training or you're not ready to do that. Or if that's just not a part of your goals, you know, you can always go run outside, maybe get yourself a bike or some skates or something and go do some cardio, just going on walks. Just because there's no gym doesn't mean there's no fitness doesn't mean there's no taking care of yourself in movement. It's good to get up, get moving, get the blood rushing, it feels really good. It feels really good. When you're stuck indoors all the time to go outside for a walk to go outside for a little jog. It feels really good to break out and it can be a very safe thing and a very enjoyable thing. So those are my tips. Those are my biggest tips for staying fit and healthy. And well in quarantine, I think it really does matter. I think it's really important to think about these things in this time in quarantine. This is not just an aesthetic thing. This is not just a me being like have mad gains and quarantine, like I did post a picture of myself flexing, because I was excited about it. I've been doing things like this all throughout quarantine, I've been in communities I've been watching these videos during my workouts I've been trying to eat healthy, I've been trying to cook more meals at home, they do add up to making me physically healthier and making me feel better. And they do help with my mentality. I think it gives me structure it gives my life a bit of a routine a schedule. If you are working at home right now maybe your hours are flexible. Or maybe you're in a situation where you really don't have that structure that you're used to workouts can be a great way to build that structure. Eating healthy can be a great way to build that structure. Because once you have like, you know you're cooking meals and you're working out, you have a little bit of structure around your days. And that can be really helpful. I will link a blog post below actually about something that Dr. Rupert Nacoste talked about to start a quarantine structure your days that is so essential to your wellness or mental wellness. It's good for us. I think it's very important to have structure in your days to have something to look forward to and to take care of yourself in this time in quarantine. I'm gonna stop rambling now. But thank you so much for listening. I hope these tips were useful for you. I hope that you could use this information and if you have any suggestions, something I maybe left out some cool tips that you found, leave them in the comments below. I'd love to hear what you think and I'd love to leave a reply. So thank you very much for listening to this podcast and until next time, stay psyched, stay healthy and stay safe.
Get Psyched intro music was created by PME, used by permission. Find PME on Spotify DJ Psyched's YouTube Video for The Rule of Thoughts Goodreads linkEpisode transcript from Otter.ai:I'm DJ Psyched, you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. And today we're talking about the Rule of Thoughts by James Dashner. This book has been far different than I was expecting, at least as far as what it was going to stand for what it was going to mean, what kind of social relevance it was going to have. I was just expecting this to be a really fun story. I remember reading in high school, and just kind of taking it for face value and thinking, well, this is an interesting story about a kid in a video game world. The deeper you get into this series, the more you'll see, it's way different than that. It has a lot of philosophical talk behind it. It's got a lot of ideas from philosophy, and what is life? And are we living in a simulation? What does it mean to be a person. There's a lot of really deep questions in here that I wasn't quite expecting. Maybe I just didn't notice it in high school, maybe I just kind of brushed it off. But the more I read this, the more I can see that it's very clear the author wants you get that idea from it, the author wants you to pick up on these cues.  Before we get into them and talk about the basic details of this book. This is, like I said, the Rule of Thoughts by James Dashner. This is the second book series by the author. The first is the Maze Runner series, I started this series back in high school, this is my second time reading it and I'm getting a lot of different things from it. Like I said, the genre of this book is science fiction, contemporary fantasy and young adult fiction, the length of the book is 325 pages. And I want to give you a short summary of what this book is about. Like I said, this is the second book in the eye of minds trilogy, spoiler alert. Last book, we left off finding out that Michael was a tangent, and he woke up in the body of a person named Jackson Porter. This book starts out with Michael learning about his life and trying to figure out what to do next. He's learning who Jackson Porter is. But at the same time, he's still on a huge mission. He's trying to stop cane and he needs to know what to do next, since he's no longer in the sleep, and he feels like he can't trust the vns he decides his only move is to go out in the real world and find his friends. So Bryson, Sara and Michael meet up in the real world. And they try to figure out what to do together. Because the stakes are way higher in the real world, they can't just program themselves out of things, they have to learn how to fight this thing. In the real world, they have to make real life decisions. And they are trying to understand the difference between fighting this thing in the real world and the virtual world. And they try to go between both, they do a little bit in the sleep, they do a little bit in the way. So yeah, they just kind of hop between the sleep and the wake to try and catch Canaan, both world. That's what this book is mostly about. Now, I'm gonna get into spoilers in a second here. But I did want to say that this book was a lot more intense than the first one. I think it was faster paced, I think I was more into it. Because I already knew what the story was, the groundwork was laid. And now this is all action scene after scene, this book was action move, let's do something, let's get to the next part. And so it wasn't really as slow as the first book, which I thought was really nice on James Asher is part to make this book a bit more intense, especially because in what I was talking about earlier, it definitely gets more intense in those questions about what is life? And what does it mean to be a person, this whole book, like I said, is very much reflective of the idea of, are we in a simulation? How would we know if we were in a simulation? What would it be like it? What's the difference between being in some kind of simulation? And this not being reality? versus being in reality? What does it even mean? To be in reality? I really admire this book or the way it tackles that question. It's unique. It's fun. It's cool. I think it's really nice when you delve into how James dashner put that question into a young adult fiction book. For anyone who doesn't know the way that this story works is there's this world called asleep. And it's a video game system, you lay in this coffin thing. And you have these little wires in your body. That'll send a little chemicals and stuff so that whatever you're doing in the sleep, which is the video game, you'll feel it in real life. So if you get hurt in the game, you'll feel it. But if you die in the game, you're just going to wake up because there's this thing in your head called the core, which separates your like living body from your fake body. So even though you can feel what's going on, you would survive. If you died in the game, you would just wake up and have to start over in the game. And the game is like a version of real life. There's shops, there's malls, there's all these things, you can just relax and hang out with your friends at a park in the video game. You could do anything. It's not just video games, which is an interesting question as to then what is reality right? If you could jump in this game and live a boring mundane life time's going by in the sleep time's going by in the wake.What's the difference between doing things in the sleep and doing things in real life? And that's something that our characters start to ponder more as they're on this journey and trying to understand things because they were all addicted to being in the sleep and now they're living more in the wake and they're trying to stop this guy who's trying to break the boundaries. between living in the sleep and living in the wake. And so they're kind of forced to face these questions, right? Who are we? What's our reality? And Michael gets this the worst out of all of them because like I said, Michael found out he was a tangent. He wasn't a real person in the real world. When he woke up in the wake, it was just an illusion to him. He was just waking up in a different part of the video game, because a tangent is just artificial intelligence. He was fake. He was made up by the creators of the game. And he thought he was a real person. He believed he was a real person. He had memories and thoughts, he could feel things, he made friends. He believed he was a real person, but he was a tangent the whole time. And then it kind of sparks the question, well, then what makes a person a real person, because he had real people experiences he had real friends, he thought he was real. The only difference between him and a real person was the fact that he couldn't wake up in a physical body. But he still had all the characteristics of a real person. So it's kind of like, was Michael real before he got the body? Because now his memories, his thoughts, what really kind of made him Michael in his head is inside of a human body. So now Michael, is a person. But was Michael always a person. That's kind of something that Michael is battling within himself. And it's something that this book is talking about a lot. Are these tangents people because they act and speak and have the experiences of people but they didn't have physical bodies until they took over the physical bodies of real people. And another question Michael has for himself. Something that he's pondering a lot is, well, what happened to Jackson Porter?Jackson borders the body he took over so the kid whose memories and thoughts and experiences were once in that head, where did he go? Where did Jackson Porter go? Is this still Jackson Porter? In a sense, his body's here, his family can recognize him. He's physically Jackson Porter. So does Jackson Porter still exists out there? How could you transfer like, what how would you wipe a mind out of its brain and the body still going? Is Jackson Porter still around? We don't get the answer to that in this book. But I did just start reading the third book. So stick around in this series, because I will review that soon. And I think we're going to get some answers to that. But in this book, we don't exactly get to find out where those bodies are. But that is something Michael ponders. He's like, well, helgen my parents, are they still around? Like, they didn't get a body, but they were tangents? Do they still get to exist? Were they real? Are they real? Yeah, that's a huge part of this book. I think it's really interesting. I love the way that he approached the topic. And it gets it gets deeper, don't worry about it. Let's talk a little bit more about some questions in this book that gets so philosophical for the story. It's an interesting story, because it's kind of starts off just seeming like this little quiet game thing in the first book, like, okay, there's a game, some guys doing something bad. The people who created the game, ask these kids to try and fix it. And then you find out everyone has some weird, hidden agenda. There's something way deeper going on. This is gonna impact all of life. And then they're questioning life. And they're just having these existential crisis. And it goes from this like, a cute little adventure to like, what is happening and some of the other questions that they ponder during this, what in the world is going on? thing is what does it mean to be real? What does even mean to be in the wake because when they're in the sleep, they feel absolutely everything. It's like true existence, they build their friendships in the sleep. This book is the first time him and his friends ever met in the real world.Yet, they're really tight. They're closely bonded. Once they meet in the world for the first time, they feel like they've known each other forever. So what what is reality? Why do we consider something that isn't reality? reality? What makes something a reality? What's the difference? What is the difference between being in the wake and being in the sleep? How would you know? You're in the wake or in the sleep? Oh, if you didn't just know, okay, obviously, you went to the coffin, and now you're in the sleep. But if you didn't do that, how would you know the difference? What you wouldn't? Michael didn't. So that's something that it comes up a lot in this book. What is good and bad? That's another huge one in this book, who is the good guy and who is the bad guy? Something we're facing a lot in this book is that Michael has no idea who to trust. He has no idea who's good or bad. But it's also hard for him to define what would make a person good or what would make a person bad in this scenario, the vns tricked him is the vns bad Well, okay, so then we get into the idea of does the end justify the means because the vns did trick him they did withhold information, but the vns is claiming that they're trying to take down cane, and they're claiming that Cain has an ulterior motive. They don't understand it yet, but they know it's bad because cain is stealing bodies. And cain is talking about making people immortal and just everything he's saying. They're like, Okay, this is definitely the bad guy cuz his end game is terrible, but the vns just wants to take him down. So do the ends justify the means right? They lied to Michael and his friends. They're still withholding information from them. They're acting really weird. Is the vns good or bad is tame, good or bad. Kane hasn't explained what his endgame is, is Cain as bad as he seems. And that's something Michael is really struggling with right now because he doesn't even know who's good or bad. He's just been thrown into the situation that he doesn't have all the details of. He doesn't understand it. So he doesn't know whose side he should truly beyond and he's not on cane side, he's not even considering that. But he's also not sure if he can trust the vns or his friends, the only people he can trust. He has a lot of trust issues. And I already started reading the third book, like I said, and yeah, he definitely has some trust issues now. But that comes from the fact that he just doesn't really know who's good and bad at this point, along with the confusion of who's good and bad, because there's this question of what is the vns want? Why is agent Webber acting so weird all the time? Michael has no idea who to trust? Who do you trust, when you can't really decide who's good and who's bad when you can't really decide whose ends are justifying their means. Who do you trust, when you don't know what's going on? And when you can't be sure of reality, when you can't be 100%? Sure of what's happening? How do you know who to trust? How do you know what to do? How do you make decisions when everything is so fuzzy and blurry and doesn't really make sense? That's something Michael and his friends are going through, especially starting this third book. But in the second book, he's definitely like, I don't even know what to do, because I don't even know who to trust. I don't know what's real. And he's just having this crisis in his head the whole time that he's just acting and trying to trying to do the right thing. But at this point, he doesn't even know what that is.  Now, real quick, I want to go back into the talk of what is real and how do we perceive things? I think there was a really interesting question this story with a character named Gabby, Gabby is Jackson Porter's girlfriend, the Jackson Porter that lived in the human body before Michael was in there. Jackson and Gabby, were like really in love. You can tell by their messages to each other that Michael sees on his phone. Gabby really loved Jackson. And he assumes that Jackson loved her back because of the way that she was acting and talking to him. Gabby is really confused as a character because at first, you know, obviously she just doesn't believe anything Michael says because she's like, okay, that you're saying that your brain has been hijacked into my boyfriend's brain, like Stop being ridiculous Jackson. But eventually she comes around. She's like, what's wrong with you, Jackson? Like, why have you been acting this way? And she really catches him when he slips up, because he doesn't want to talk to her much. He knows that if he speaks to her, she's gonna know he's not Jackson, or there's something wrong there. Because he can't act like Jackson Porter. He doesn't know Jackson Porter. You can't impersonate someone you've never met. And he knows that what makes him him is different from what makes Jackson, Jackson.So he interacted with her. She would find out something was up. So we tried to avoid her. But then she came to him and she he just he couldn't avoid it at that point. So we tried to be brief. He was like, Okay, if I just do something really quick, just say something and run away. She'll never know. She'll just think Jackson's acting weird. And so he just says, like, I he's, I don't remember what he says exactly. But he says something. And he's like Gabriella and then runs away, because that's her full name. And she is like, confused and ends up finding him a little later on. And she's like, tell me what's going on because you just called me Gabriola. And you don't ever call me that. And that's when he realizes this tiniest mistake that he made that's kind of exposed to him. So he explains more to her when she does consider coming around. And she's like, Okay, well, there's definitely something going on here. He's like, well, believe me, then believe me that I'm not your boyfriend. That's something crazy is happening here. It's hard to understand. But you need to believe me, I am not Jackson Porter. And she's able to say You're right. I don't actually believe you. I think what you're saying is bizarre, but you are not Jackson Porter. And that's kind of a big moment in this book, I think because it's a part of what he's thinking. He keeps thinking like, well, what makes a person a person what makes me me, he knows he's not Jackson Porter. And now having another character to look at the body of Jackson Porter, the body of a man she loved the body of someone who she still has confused feelings about because she loved him so much, even though she's confused about what's happening. She's She's so conflicted at this point, because she's like, you're right. You're not Jackson Porter. But she says that, like she still loves him or something she tries a few times to say, but I love you. Because she's so confused. She's looking at the body of the person she loves. But she doesn't feel a connection to him because he's acting so different. And he's not mentally the person that she loves. But physically, he looks just like the person that she loves. And she's really confused because she's like, you're not Jackson Porter, but you kind of are Jackson Porter. I think that's a big part of like, the philosophy behind this book, right? Like, what makes you you? Is your body a part of who you are? Or is it all up in your brain? Is it a little bit of both? And then we get a bit of that perspective of it. Could it be both with Gabby because Gabby, even though she knows it's not really him in there, she can't help but try and help him a lot and still love him. She still loves Jackson Porter, although Jackson Porter is not really in there, kind of he's kind of Jackson Porter. So yeah, I thought that was a pretty interesting and fun part of the story. Also, Michael says himself that even though he doesn't know Gabby, like that, he kind of has an interesting feeling inside. When he sees her like he has like this inclination to speak to her at times and he has this inclination to help her and even though he doesn't love gab, he doesn't know this girl doesn't know anything about her. He kind of has this natural pull towards her. I guess that's another part of it right like he is physically in Jackson Porter's body. So even though he doesn't know Gabby on a mental level, and he doesn't actually love her himself, the body of Jackson quarter probably still loves Gabby, which is why he feels some sort of pull towards her and it makes him feel guilty. He doesn't know anything about Gabby, it should be easy for him to tell his friends. Yeah, I met this girl Gabby, he doesn't tell his friends. He actually waits until he absolutely can't hide it anymore to bring Gabby up because he likes his friend Sarah. And he feels a certain level of guilt towards what he's feeling towards Gabby and what he's thinking of Gabby and the fact that Gabby exists in Jackson Porter's life and he's in Jackson borders body. He just has this weird confusion in his head. He's like, I don't like Gabby. I like Sarah. But I don't want to bring Gabby up to Sarah, because there is something very weird going on here. As far as this body's connection to Gabby, and me being in this body. And I think that whole scenario is just kind of interesting. You could really, if you really get into it, think about it like does that mean that Jackson Porter he mentally loves Gabby, but also physically now his body loves Gabby. And that is a real thing I learned about that in social psychology, you love someone on a mental level. And then once you know you've been around them a lot, your body releases these good chemicals when you're with the person you love. And when you do things together, your body grows and attachment to the person you have just like you mentally grow that attachment to them. So even though Jackson Porter is not in his body, his body still is capable of loving Gabby, it's a cool point for him to have brought up and it was a neat way to throw it into the story. And last part of this I'm going to talk about is Helga and his parents, Michael had this nanny named Helga because his parents were super rich and always on business trips. So she took care of him. And he had a family though he loved his family. But when all this went down, Cain basically told him like your family has been wiped out, your family doesn't exist anymore. And he's kind of going through this whole thing in his head of like they existed, that they existed to me. He's like, he's telling himself he's like, they existed in my memories. I remember them, I pretty sure I interacted with them. So they must have been real.Now, I'm gonna spoil the ending for you here, because it was a huge part of what I've been talking about so far. At the end of the story, basically, what happens is, Agent Weber tells them like, okay, you just need to take this thing you hear, it's like a bomb, kind of, you're going to place it where Kane core is in the game. And then you're going to set it off and get out of there. And it'll destroy Kane, and he'll be over. And that's it. So we're going to sink you into the game, we're going to do all this work to get you into the secret place. And then it's up to you to destroy him. Once you're in there we'll pull you out. Once you're done with the mission, since you know they're in the game, they can be pulled out of the game, she's like, I'll pull you out once you're done. Don't worry about it. So Michael and his friends, what's going to happen is they go into the sleep, they go through this process called the squeeze and then they'll wake up in the place they need to be. So they're going to kind of wake up twice. What happens is they do that they go into the sleep, they get squeezed into that part of the game that they need to be in and they wake up and they do the mission. However, once they set off the detonator, they don't get pulled out. And they're kind of like what like Michaels like what's happening, like, we were in danger, this thing's about to go off, and we're still in this building. And then the cops show up and they drag them out. And they're just like, Can you just pull us out the game already, please, like, this is getting really bad. Maybe they're still out there somewhere. How could they not? How could they just go from existing to not existing, he's going through this whole thing in his head, he's like, they existed to me, I remember the memories I have with them. They were my family, they were the ones I had in the real world. They have to be real, there has to be something there. And it's just kind of like interesting. Like I said, I wish I could just talk about the second and third book together, because I just started reading the third one. And it kind of goes deeper into a lot of these, but I'll talk about that on the next one. Just tune in, stay tuned, if you want to know what happens next. But yeah, he's definitely kind of going through this thing inside where he's like, they have to have been real, they are still really got to be somewhere. And he's just having this moment of like, well, what what is reality? Because if they were tangents, where they never real, were they as conscious and aware as I am like, he's kind of just wondering, like, was that real? Or were they just programmed as memories into my head? And if they were programming the memories in my head, doesn't that kind of mean that they were real, because I remember them. And so he's just kind of like going through in his head, like, he feels like he lost something really great. But at the same time, he feels like maybe he lost absolutely nothing, how could he have lost something, he's not even real himself. And he's kind of just going through a huge existential crisis because of all this, and I think it's really neat. And then Gabby comes running out of nowhere. And that's when it dawns on Michael. They're not in the game anymore. They're in reality, it's just this huge trippy moment in the book because you're reading it and you're like, Okay, Michael's in the he's in the fake world, and he's doing this and he's trying to destroy Kane, but the cops are here. It's okay. This kind of thing happens is expected for things not to go perfectly. They're trying to destroy Kane's core. But then you find out that they're not even in the game anymore. When they passed out and woke up in the game, they were in the game. But when they passed out again, to go into the second level of the game, somebody pulled their real bodies out of the coffins and put them in reality so that they would destroy something. In the real world, instead of destroying something in the game like they thought they were. And it's just like, Michael is just a he has had enough at this point because he's like, I was already questioning what is reality? I'm fake. It was my world all fake. And now he can't trust reality one bit because he thought he was in a video game doing something that would not hurt anyone because it's in a video game. And apparently, he blew up an entire building in the real world. And he's just like, what is reality? How could I possibly tell the difference? When you've created a virtual world that looks so real?He's just basically going through that thing you go through when you take your first philosophy class where you're like, are we in a simulation? Are we in a simulation? How would I know? How do I even know at this point? If I'm in reality, because I thought I was in a video game 20 minutes ago, and apparently I'm in reality, am I in reality, or am I in the game? Am I still in the game and he's just like, losing it, I think is amazing. But also someone comes in I don't remember who someone comes in to visit him because he's in jail now he blew up a building, he him and his friends are in jail. Someone comes to visit him while he's in jail. And they're like taunting him. They just start taunting him. They're like, how would you ever know when you're in reality? You could be in another sleep right now, in this jail, you could be asleep. If you could wake up again, and realize this wasn't reality? How many times could you wake up before you were sure you were in a reality? And he's just messing with him? And he's like, you'd wake up, and you think you're in real life now? And then you'd wake up and think you're in real life now? And then you'd wake up? And how would you ever know, once you make it to reality? This guy's just taunting him. And Michael's already like, Yeah, I don't know, please stop talking about this waking up over and over again thing, because I did wake up and I thought that I was in the game. But apparently I was in the real world, I'm just saying the same thing over and over again. But that's what this book is emphasizing. Like, they don't know what to trust anymore. They don't know what's going on anymore. The only times they can tell that they're in the game, or when they can do things that they couldn't possibly do in the real world, you know, like teleporting and stuff with your mind and messing with the code in a certain way. But other than that, in the moments where they can't just blatantly see where they are, how do they know that they're in reality? And yeah, I think that's what most of the story is about. I think that's the point. I'm pretty sure that's what the point of the story is, and it's great. I think it's really fun. It's a good story. It's really fun paced, I like the characters, I'm not quite in love with the story, the way I was the Maze Runner, and I'm only comparing these two series because they're both by the same author. And I think they are both really fantastic series. They have their own different points. But I think that they're very different in certain ways. Because in the rule of thoughts, you know, the iron mines trilogy, I think the story is very much trying to highlight these thoughts of like, what is reality and all that and you're following the story very heavily, characters don't develop too much. The love story is very much hidden. It's hardly like it's there. But he's not trying to make a big deal out of it at all. It's not a big part of the story. It's all about the story and what's happening and Michael's interpretation of reality, but the Maze Runner series was very much a character development, there was love, there was all this other stuff happening while the world is being destroyed. But in this one, it's all about a kid questioning what reality is. And I really love it. I think it's a really cool and unique story. It's a unique way to tell the story. And I love what James dashner did with this series. So yeah, that's Book Two, the rule of thoughts. This is the eye of minds trilogy. And like I said, I'm reading the third book right now. So very soon, I will have a review out of the book, The Game of lives. I'mpsyched to talk about it. There's one last thing I like to do with these book club episodes, I like to ask a question for us to discuss and you can go into the link below. If this is on YouTube, go into the link in the description. It is on the podcast websites, you can find it in the description as well. I'm going to have a link to a good reads. And we're going to talk about a book club discussion question for this book. Today's question is going to be very philosophical. Let's talk a bit about what James Asher is talking about in this book. How do we make a concept out of reality? How do we really think about reality? How do we think about what makes us people? I just kind of want to know your thoughts on these philosophical discussions? Do you think they're really stupid and you hate them? I know some people who do they're just like, I don't care. I don't think we're in a simulation. This is real, like, let it go. But when you really start to get into like philosophy, and you kind of start to understand why people say these weird things, it can be a slippery slope of like, well, what makes me a person then like, Is it my mind? My brain? Where is my mind? Is this all stuff that I'm perceiving? Or is this all real? I don't know. It's interesting to think about philosophy. It's interesting to think about these questions. It can be kind of annoying, though. So just let me know, do you think it's really annoying and you don't care about the simulation theories? You don't care about the brain and the VAT thing? Or do you think there's something to it? Do you think there's something to what James Asher is talking about here? I'm excited to see what you think. Just let me know in the good reads, you can let me know in the comment section below if you're on YouTube, as well. And thank you for listening. If you listen to this whole podcast, I'm excited to do next week's episode, so stay tuned and until next time... Stay Psyched.
Get Psyched intro music was created by PME, used by permission. Find PME on Spotify.Goodreads Link.Episode transcript from Otter.ai:DJ Psyched: I'm DJ Psyched and you're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. Let's get psyched about reading! We're talking about John Dies at the End by David Wong. I'm joined here today with Ella aka Miss Psych. And we're going to talk about this book because we've been reading it together for the last few weeks, you want to say hi, for me, Ella. Ella: Hey, guys. DJ Psyched: This book is chaotic. We're gonna talk more about it in a second. But the genre of this book is humorous fiction, or fiction, I personally don't think that there's any easy way to put this book into a category. It's pretty crazy. A lot of things happen in it. And the length of this book, it also varies on the edition, I had said 362 pages online, my addition was over 400 pages. It is kind of big, not the biggest book ever. But it is incredibly dense, a lot happens in it. So it is it is kind of a long story to read. But it is a total page turner, so it didn't take too long to read. DJ Psyched: I'm gonna give a short summary, which is really hard to do from this story. So I'm just gonna say a little bit about what it's about. Basically, there's these two main characters, right, and one of the main characters is told from the author's perspective to David Wong, than the other characters, his best friend, john, they take this drug, it's called soy sauce, and it makes them see things from other worlds. It makes crazy things happen to them, it puts them into these weird scenarios that would have never been a part of their life before. And it just ends up being total chaos. There's like a portal to hell. And there's all these demons and monsters, and they just have all these side effects and abilities. They're just dealing with the supernatural now. And it's all because of this drug. And they're just trying to figure out what's happening because it's not like they know what's going on or what the endgame is or what they're even doing. They're not hero type characters. They heard they really don't give a shit. They're just stuck in this scenario. And they're doing the best they can. They still work normal day job, they still do normal things. They are not like, Oh, yay, we got this opportunity to save the world and they just want to live their lives, but they can't. So that's the best summary I could give for this book. It's a long, wild story. And we're just we're gonna get into now before I jump right into all the notes we have, I just want to know what your general thoughts on the book where Ella is your first time reading it.Ella: Like you said, it was definitely a real page turner. It was really like super easy for me to like, get there pretty quick. Yeah, it was really fucking funny. I wasn't expecting it to be not only so funny, but also so gory. Yeah, there were, like, equally as shocking, like things happen as funny. So like, there were a lot of times where I like literally started laughing. But there are also times where I like gasp because I was like, Oh, my God, that actually happened. But yeah, it was a really good book. It was really fun to read. Definitely.DJ Psyched: Yeah, this story is absolutely chaotic. And I remember my first time reading it, I had no idea what is about like, my friend just started playing the audio book in the car, and they didn't give me a synopsis or anything that was going on. So I was trying to like judge it as I was listening to what was happening. And I was like, Oh, it's just some ghost story. Oh, it's just some this. But then the more I was listening to it, I was like, I have no idea what's happening right now. I can't put my finger on this story at all.Ella: Yeah, it was like I would read on and I would be like, Okay, I understand what's happening. And then like, three pages later, I'd be like, okay, just kidding. I have no idea what's going on, but in like the best way because it was so good. So....DJ Psyched: Yeah, I think it makes it really fun that there's always something happening that you really don't understand what's going on. The story isn't laid out for you right in front of you. It's like the timeline isn't even straightforward. Things are just jumping all over the place. There's the main story that he's talking to this reporter about the main story. And then they kind of jump into these random moments to just kind of give you background on what's happening. And just keep the pace of this story is crazy.Ella: Yes. But 10 out of 10.DJ Psyched: 10 out of 10. Yeah, this is my second time reading the series. I only so I only read this series back in January. So it's kind of exciting to reread it so soon. Because usually if I read a book like what like six, a little over six, seven months ago, whatever hasn't even been a full year. I normally would not want to reread a book this soon because I would know what happens. It'd be kind of boring. It hasn't even been a full year. And as I'm reading this, I'm like, I recall, like 20% of all this because there's so much happening, that it's kind of impossible to just remember the story The first time I think this is definitely a book series worth buying. Because you need to read it many, many times before it gets old over like you know what's gonna happen.Ella: Yeah, I feel the same about books. And I know I'll definitely be rereading this not far from now.DJ Psyched: Yeah, so we're just gonna get into it started From the beginning, and like I already said, there's just so many different, like, vantage points that this story is told from and the first part of this story is this like x riddle introduction. So there was that intro where they talk about the x. And it's just saying like if you had to replace the top of the x, and then if you had to replace the handle VX, meaning that over time you've replaced the entire x, is it still the same x, and becomes really relevant later in the story? But what do you think when you first started reading it, and it had that intro? I didn't think much of it.Ella: Until you like asked me again. So like, what do you think of it? And then I was like, I didn't know if it was relevant, even though I mean, make sense that it would be relevant. But when I first read it, I was just like, Alright, let's get on to the nitty gritty story, you know?DJ Psyched: Yeah, this story starts out So interestingly, because it starts out with that axe intro, and then you get the intro with the girl in the house. And then we finally get the intro where he meets up with Arnie. And I think it's kind of confusing the first time you read because I was sure confused. First time I read. It's like, you jump from this riddle into the scene with this girl. And you're like, Okay, so the riddle, I don't know, maybe that'll be relevant later. The scene with this girl you're like, Okay, so they're paranormal hunters and then jump into RNA. And you're like, I don't know what's going on. happening. Yeah.Ella: And then there, and then you jump from that to like, the actual story. DJ Psyched: The actual story, I thought it was interesting, because I still, I never really put it together in my head. Like I said, there's like, there was that girl, and they're doing that activity. And then he's telling the full story. I don't really understand where that event happened in the timeline.Ella: Yeah, I think it had to have happened like, right before he went to meet the guy, the interviewer reporter already, that's what I would think. I don't know, though. It's definitely more towards like the end. Like it's not like in the beginning where they talked about, like all the shit that happened, like when they first did the soy sauce, because like they were already like, recognized or whatever.DJ Psyched: Yeah, definitely happened somewhere after they had taken the drug and learn about the effects and all that. It's just kind of confusing as to where a lot of things happen. Because there's like that time period where they're just jumping through a few years. Like there's like, oh, there was a few years that they forgot about this. And then there's a few years that John's not really close to Dave and yeah.Ella: They leap through time, so much Dave didn't even remember. It was like amnesia within like, huge chunks of his life.DJ Psyched: Yeah, I know. I didn't say this earlier. So my bad spoiler alerts, we're definitely gonna be giving them now. But yeah, it was like really weird during that lapse time to because like Vegas was this huge, crazy, life changing thing. And then Dave, just apparently he moves in with JLo. And apparently, he's like, not talking to john anymore. And it's like weird for him. I think it's interesting the way they did this, because whenever he wakes up, he's like, Well, why would I ignore you, john, and like, he's just kind of confused as to what's going on. But the him that was living the life, it was easy for him to get caught up in the money and be with JLo and not talk to john. But then every time he'd wake up as the person he was before the money and before all that happened. He's like, Well, of course, I'm going to go to Johnny's my best friend. Yeah, I thought that part was kind of cool. The fact that like, you know, he was who he was before his memory was lapsed. But apparently he was a whole different person before that time period. Yeah. How does memory intact? Yeah, sort of intact? Yeah, I don't know. That whole part just confused the life out of me. Because I'm like, there's How many years has it been since Vegas? How long? Is this story going on? Yeah. They're not teenagers anymore. Because like, when they go to that party, they're like, fresh out of high school. But now you got to assume they're in their mid 20s.Ella: Yeah. And Dave has his own house.DJ Psyched: So yeah, then he's also like talking to the interviewer, this whole thing. And he's somehow relaying this long period of time, the army in one sitting, talking about his whole life and all that. And he's on the sauce while he's talking to Arnie. And we got to talk about this, because it's not gonna make sense. Anyone doesn't know this story. But soy sauce. It's a miraculous drug. What did you think when you first started learning about what soy sauce did to them?Ella: Well, it scared me first of all, because half the people who check it die also because like, we're we're just talking about how confusing the story was. And it was because of soy sauce. It messes with your conception of time. It's just it like enhances everything. But also, if you're not on the soy sauce, like us, we weren't on it. So it was confusing to like, kind of understand what the hell was happening.DJ Psyched:  Yeah, the soy sauce was just so weird, because there was like so much stuff that you could and couldn't do on the sauce. And I don't know, it was just really inconsistent. And it was weird. Like, they could kind of time travel sometimes. But then again, it wasn't like real time traveling. It was just like when Dave traveled, like he's like in the trailer where he was about to get shot. And he ends up going through all these different places and stuff. But then he can't actually escape the trailer. So when he wakes up, he's still in the trailer and he still gets shot. Yeah, and then there's so many effects of the sauce that are just like really random like the music one. Yeah. The lyrics and like popular songs would just change to be really really terrible. Ella: Yeah. DJ Psyched: That was a weird effect of the sauce.Ella: I thought it was just a funny like, touch like hear what they made up. Like as a filler is funny.DJ Psyched: Yeah. I also love the part where like, I don't remember who they were doing the sauce in front of I think it was Amy or something. But they were like, Oh, yeah, let's take some and let's see if it hits and they're like, Oh, I don't think it's hit. And then they're doing all this weird stuff at the same time. And Amy's just looking at them. Like, why? And they're like, yeah, and now the soy sauce isn't hitting and then they're doing like the weirdest things at the same time. Yeah. I just thought it was funny because like, you know, with like normal substances like alcohol and stuff. Most people are like that, like, Oh, I don't feel it. And you could tell that they have it and apparently soy sauce in the same way.Ella: Yeah. And also it affects everybody differently. There were just so many things you can do in soy sauce, like we encounter the rice on the way and then he said where the origin of the rice was like getting in climate change was in Arnie's pocket. And then he knew, like if he would have flipped it 10 times he knew exactly what the outcomes are going to be.DJ Psyched: And then of course, there's just the fact that being on the sauce means that you've kind of opened yourself up to this like otherworldly thing where you can see all these creatures and stuff that sober person wouldn't be able to see someone not on the sauce. Soy sauce is interesting, because it is like this weird, crazy drug. But at the same time, it does have a lot of parallels to real drugs.Ella: Yeah, well, the first time Dave take the sauce it was in voluntarily, like borst itself.DJ Psyched: Yeah, that's another good point. Soy Sauce isn't like always their choice to take like Dave, you know, soy sauce injected itself into him.Ella: And then also ate its way through the cheek. DJ Psyched: Yeah, like they like little bugs that like flew into his face. And so it's also interesting to because it takes on so many different forms, like john in them, you could assume they all like shot it up with syringes, because the way they described it, but then Dave has these little pellets, shoot up him and then later on, they're eating them. And it's like, you can adjust soy sauce in any way as long as he wants you too. Yeah. And desire you creatures, like injected Molly with the sauce too. It's just weird. Like, the drug has so many rules to itself like it chooses you. And it chooses how it affects you. And most of all, like the weirdest part, like you said, most people who take soy sauce will die. And it's like interesting in the story to see that like john and Dave, were kind of chosen not to die on the sauce. Yeah, so the sauce won't kill them.Ella: It's really weird. It made me very amusedDJ Psyched: Still has me confused. Like I've read this whole book series. And I can't sit here and tell you that I understand the story any more than you do. Yeah, yeah, the main story is just chaotic. Like, it's just trying to understand what the sauce has done to them what they supposed to do about it. They're really not on the search to be like saving the world or anything. Dave just wants his life to be normal. That's all he's trying to do this whole story, but he gets sucked into these situations because of the drug. And it's all John's fault because he went to that party with the weird like guy who was impersonating a magician, Jamaican man. Yeah. And Big Jim who like brought it into their town. And then you know, john was the only one that survived that whole incident. And then it was forced in a day's life. Dave wanted nothing to do with any of this.Ella: Yeah, he literally went home early.DJ Psyched: Which is a shame because this whole story ends up changing Dave's life the most. Yeah, I guess we could talk about now what Dave ends up finding out with all this soy sauce and all these adventures, everything becomes connected. There's the shadow people that he sees. There's these little white bugs that are flying around the place. All these strange occurrences and demons and stuff that he's getting like to see like wig monsters, and then there's shitload. There's all this crazy stuff that he's encountering. It all comes down to this karate. Yeah, the all seeing eye. You have any thoughts on Kronk?Ella: Yeah, he's confusing. So basically, he reaches all the universes like when he speaks through people, you know, karate, is I follow no one but karate or whatever. They say that he's like, killed like planets. Then they say like planets are in his intestines or something like that. Yeah, it's fucking weird.DJ Psyched: Yeah, Kroc is really weird. Like, they kind of talk about him as being very multi dimensional. He's been in multiple worlds, a lot of people have experienced what is this being Kroc, but in different forms. So it's like Kroc has taken on many forms over many years, over many ages, through time and space, different zones. Kroc has just always been around but called different things. I think really interesting part of the story is Dr. Marconi. Because, you know, when they went off to Vegas, and they went to that big adventure, they met Marconi, who was like, famous for the stuff that they do, even though Dave wants nothing to do with this paranormal stuff. Marconi, that's his whole life. That's his whole career. And when they meet Marconi, he's been doing like research on all this. They see like his papers on croc, and that's when they find like the symbol. Okay, Croc, I thought the symbol part was really cool. What do you think of that, like when they like, made the connection between like the ancient drawings and the symbol that they were seeing everywhere?Ella: I thought that was really cool. Yeah. And that was interesting to see that like, every like thing that I guess has been touched on. correctly had that symbol that was cool. And it was a good way to like kind of confirm whether I mean not really though, because of Dave. Yeah, it freaked me out a little bit just because it was like saying that he was like God, right from what Marconi found, because he found like a group of people in somewhere like a tribe or something that like worshiped curl.DJ Psyched: Yeah, Kroc was like worshipped in other worlds and stuff. And I thought it was interesting, because like, one of my favorite things about this story is the fact that it's funny. And it's weird. And they, it's not taken too seriously. Even when it gets gory and stuff. There's always like, the light humor and all that to it. And even with the symbol, there was a lot of that like stupid humor, because you find out that like, the way that the symbol works is like, it's kind of like a sideways pie. That's how they describe it. It's like the pie symbol, but it's sideways. And then in the ancient drawings, there's a person standing and there's an arrow coming down from their crotch and their mouth. And then they're talking about how like, the reason there's arrows in those two spots of their bodies is because those are like the two pleasure points of man. And they also say some gross stuff about like vomit and peeing. Yeah, I just thought it was funny, though, telling like this very serious story about like Kroc, and how he's rude through all these ages and his symbols everywhere. And the symbol stands for something ridiculous like that.Ella: And pure evil and then they still make it like a child.DJ Psyched: And the symbol of Kroc becomes a big point later on in the story, because the first place they find a symbol, I'm pretty sure this is the first place they find it was on molly. Ella: Yeah, aside from in the papers.DJ Psyched: Yeah, like the first being they see it on it's like it's on Molly's pour or something. Right before Molly's blown up. And then later on in the story, there's Molly, it took them a really long time to make the connection between symbol Molly blows up and Molly's here without the symbol. Like it took them a while to realize that these were clones. Yes, Brock. Ella: Same, it honestly took me a second. DJ Psyched: Yeah. And that becomes a real big deal later on. Because in the story, you know, it was like, you know, like we said, like Dave had this tendency to lose memory after Vegas, which I think is interesting. I really don't know what the connection here is between why Dave was losing all that memory. But I think it's interesting, because the next time he loses his memory in a series, we know why it happened. Because he lost his memory and died. And then he gained his conscious back in his croc self.Ella: Body. Yeah. DJ Psyched: Yeah. But in the other ones, I don't know why they really don't explain to Well, why he kept losing his memory from that. But I think it's interesting, because I just assumed that when crock made these beings, these creatures, they had nothing to do with the original person, right? Like if you made a Molly, it's just a clone. It looks like Molly, but it isn't Molly. So it's really interesting when Dave is made into a being a crock. And then he kills the original Dave. And Dave believes that he is that version of himself. Like there's that connection between Dave and the Kroc version. But I just thought it was interesting that there was like that connection there. Because I just, I thought they would be two totally different things. Like it doesn't make sense to me that when real Dave dies, his conscience would wake up inside of the other one.Ella: Yeah. Also doesn't make sense. But that's what that actually has to do with the story.DJ Psyched: Yeah, the metaphor at the beginning where he's like, Is it still the axe?Ella: Yeah. Because that's another thing like karate has control over people's memories, because he can like either Iraq or something. Can like completely erase people and things from people's memories? Yeah. aren't even talks about it. It's like the Mandela effect, but like, not the Mandela effect, because it's actually crazy.DJ Psyched:  Yeah. And we experienced a lot of that during like, the Vegas scene when like, john says something about how JLo shouted Todd, and it was like, really random sounding when he said in the story, because he's like, why would she say that? But then afterwards, when he explains like, I just told you this whole story, the way I remember it, but sometimes when it's late at night, I kind of dream of this guy named Todd and I'm pretty sure Todd was there the whole time. That whole scene blew my mind The first time I read it, yeah. What did you think when you read all that, like when you realize just how confusing This story was gonna get, because now that you see the kind of power Kroc has and the things that he's gonna do to them, he realized that this story is only gonna keep getting more confusing, because they could totally do something and remember it, but it could be absolutely not what happened. I mean, it just made me like very interested in what the hell's gonna happen next. Like I was just like, okay, to see what else like who else is a race. I think that moment really showed me how crazy the story was going to be. Because, like we said, like, it was very unexpected. Like I really didn't see that coming. The first time I read it. I was like, totally Mind blown from that scene, because they're not immune to what's happening with them. Even though john and Dave are like, kind of like the special ones. They don't die from soy sauce. There's still a lot of things that are going to happen to them. Like Dave is now he's Dave, and everyone accepts him as Dave but in reality he's Caracas version of Dave.Ella: Yeah, it was crazy. I think it also just like kind of gave him I mean, sort of Have a little bit more information about Kroc but not really cuz still don't know what's his deal, but like, I don't know it just showed a little bit more about like how powerful he was like kind of what he could do i mean still don't know everything you can do but no they erase people from everyone's like Pierre Raphael from existence is only he can kill people but it's like completely like they never existed which is crazy.DJ Psyched: Yeah and they're capable these shadow people currach everyone is working for him. I think what blows my mind about this story? There's so many like evil entities that it's kind of hard to realize that they're all like, they're all part of one agenda because there's like, you know, we said like the shadow people. There's those little bugs there's the wig monsters and there's crocs like clones and there anymore. There's like the roach man.Ella: They're big creatures that like we're in the in the mall. DJ Psyched: Yeah, there's all these like creatures and entities that are trying to like, get in on them. And I think in the book, it's way more confusing. Like, like reading the book. There's just all these entities and it's like what there's like the jellyfish thing. There's all these entities doing random crazy stuff. It was some it was something that wasn't a jellyfish. I remember. I don't remember the name of it, but it was something something I like the way he describes things because he'll say something like yeah, it's like a jellyfish but actually nothing like jellyfish. Yeah, still envision is a jellyfish in my head. Because he said it like that the first time - Ella: where they'll say like the way monsters He said it was the size of a golden retriever. So I was thinking, Oh, like a dog? Nope,not a dog.DJ Psyched:  It's ridiculous. Like, it's just so confusing. There's so many forces of evil. And I feel like we'll talk about this more once we get to the movie comparison. But I just feel like in the movie, it's very straightforward. Like there's these people trying to invade the earth, and they're trying to stop them. But in the book, it doesn't feel like that's the end all be all of the story. I feel there's like a lot more going on. And you read the entire book, and you still don't know, I want to know what is happening. What's gonna happen to the world. Like I still don't know what Kroc has planned or like for Dave, it was so confusing, then. Same. I totally agree. You know, like, Dave feels the same way too. Like he's like, I mean, we've sort of had a win by planting that bomb. We got out of that world safely. But we still know there's things coming for us, we still know that we're in trouble. It was like, they evaded death. But they didn't really prevent anything. They didn't really stop anything. They just survived that one occasion. Yeah, before we finish up here, one of my favorite aspects of this book is, is the fact that they never stop being real people. Like we already said, like, they're not hero types. They're not like, oh, we're gonna save the world. Neither of them give a fuck, they just want to drink. And they just want to chill. And they still have their day jobs. They're still worried about their relationships. They still talk about how broke they are all the time. Like, it doesn't matter if they're saving the world, or if they're fighting these evil monsters. They never stop being regular people in this book.Ella: Yeah, I just thought it was so funny because they don't stop being regular people, but like, they still are so calm throughout the whole thing. I mean, like not really because like you're in Dave's head. So like, Yeah, but he's just like, so sarcastic and stuff that even when he's losing his shit, it's like so funny in, I guess in his head, he stays like calm. And also, john, like, anytime. I don't know how john always comes up with like, the perfect response. Or like, the perfect thing to do in any given moment. Like, it's just always the funniest dumb is what you would not expect. But it like helps. It works. And I made the book so easy to read. Just the fact that they were so like real. And I don't know, I feel like sometimes I feel like I'm David. But then also sometimes I feel like I'm john. So they're both like relatable characters.DJ Psyched:  Yeah, they are really good characters. And I totally agree with like the way that like, it seems as if they're just really calm and chill about everything. But I think we do see like slight moments in David's head where he's just had enough and where he's like, starting to just act, but he's trying his best to just get through things. You can very much tell by the way he talks about Amy, the way that he's you know, because you know, he starts to bond with Amy near the end of the book, he starts to get closer to her. You can tell that he had shut himself off from most of his emotions before he met Amy because he talks about how like, what my life was perfect. Before I met Amy, they had no one to hold against me because I didn't have anyone that I cared about besides john and he's reckless. So who cares? Yeah, he's kind of opening himself up to a new world of Dave emotions. Because he's, he's not really the most emotional person in the world. But he's starting to realize that he has feelings that he can't control because he wanted to tell Amy to like fuck off. Like, I don't want you getting hurt because I care about you. But he couldn't stop himself from agreeing to engagement with her. Yes, literally. That was so funny. I thought he was gonna say no, until I read. Yes. And I think it's interesting to when john says to Amy like, you didn't know him. He was such a dick before you met him. Like this version of Dave, you know, was never the real Dave and he was not Good, bro. Like, I just think he's really interesting the way that john was talking about Dave like that.Ella: Yeah, I also thought that was interesting. But I thought that was so like, in my mind, I was reading that because I thought that john didn't trust Dave and I thought john was like keeping an eye on him and ready to like it. Like if Dave did like, switch over, like, some shadow person, like took over his body and stuff. I thought john was like preparing himself and Amy to like, get ready to attack him. That's that's what I was thinking when I was reading that part. Because I mean, they just found out that Dave's had a symbol of Iraq on it with his body.DJ Psyched: Yeah, I it was definitely a part of the tactic. I just still thought it was interesting, because I think near the end of the story, I think we start getting a lot of character development from Dave. Oh, yeah, finally starting to see a different side of Dave. And I can't wait until we do the next couple of books. because like you said, like you Oh, he's so calm and all that you definitely get to understand Dave more in the next two books. Like I think this one, it makes sense that he's like, seems chaotically calm through all this, because he's in shock. Like, he was living a normal life. And now he's living this weird life where demons and stuff are the norm. And he knows that he's not safe everywhere he goes, he's kind of like in a state of shock. But I think in the next few books, the shock wears off, and he realizes his life. And that's a whole different scenario, you know. And I think it's kind of cool, in a sense, because it kind of like to me, I could parallel that with like, the idea of this pandemic, right. We were all kind of in shock and acting a certain way and feeling a certain way when it first started. And we didn't know how long it would last. But we were just in the moment there. And now I feel like people are reacting very differently to it. Now that they see, this may be a much longer term thing. And that's kind of what Dave is experiencing in this story. Yeah. But yeah, so that's most of the notes that we had as far as what happens in the book. Oh, the last part I want to bring up because it was it was a big part of the ending. By the way, the ending was so long to this book. I loved it. I had no problem with it. But I felt like this book was ending for a while.Ella: Yeah, I spent, like, I don't even know how long, maybe two hours, I was like, I'm gonna finish this book. I'm gonna get it. And then by the time I was ready to just be done reading I still had like five pages left, but I had no more reading in me that night.DJ Psyched:  No, I completely feel that when I sat down to finish reading it that last time I thought I was gonna blaze through it, too. And I spent like two and a half hours reading that last part, but I just I, I was like, Okay, I'm so close. I gotta finish. I finished I kept saying that and turning the pages and it still wasn't happening. But it's a really, it is a really good ending. It's just, it's a lot more than I was expecting. Like, there's a lot of things that happen. And the most interesting thing that happens at the end was what happened to Arnie.Ella: Oh yeah, he ended up not even existing, or he didn't exist, but he was dead. And he wasn't even how was the funniest part? No, it was it. I mean, it was it was funny when they, I mean, okay, it wasn't funny. As soon as Dave made the connection. That's what was funny because Dave just started laughing. That part, I don't know, it was just relatable because sometimes I laugh at moments when you shouldn't laugh. And so I just thought that was funny.DJ Psyched:  Yeah, I just thought the ending with Arnie is just is a huge slap in the face to Dave, you know, cuz he's like, I finally have someone who's kind of understanding my story. He finally like he's able to finally break through to Arnie and get him to kind of confess that he believes him because he knew that Arnie believed him to an extent Why else would he have listened to him? And he finally gets a breakthrough with Arnie finally gets into believing he finally gets into MIT why he's there, and then it amounts to absolutely nothing. And that's like, Dave's like, Okay, I'm over this crock cutter rock wins all the time. Like, he found out that I was gonna find someone who I could actually talk to and got rid of before I even had the chance, like he just kind of is defeated in that moment. And they just walks away. And it's like, the purpose of the whole first book was that conversation with RNA trying to explain everything to him. I think that's what makes the story really interesting, which I can't wait to start this next book. It's very different because we're used to this being a story being told to someone but there's a different perspective and the other books because our knees no longer around. I think it's really interesting how this series started out that way because it's it's very different the rest of the series. I'm ready to read the second book too exciting. So stay psyched and stay around because we're going to talk about those as we read them. Last part of this is the movie comparison, because we did watch the movie and it is it is something to talk about. Give me your basic impressions of the movie right off the bat.Ella: Um, well, compared to the book. Yeah, some of the best parts were completely not in the movie at all. My favorite character Jayla not in it at all. They just took out whole last characters, and Marconi was in it. And weirdly, it didn't make any sense. And then the end. They had Molly like, grab the bomb and then jump into the crock. I thought that was so dumb. Molly's name wasn't even Molly. Aaron. It was Barkley! DJ Psyched: That was pretty stupid. Ella: It was so stupid. Wat are your thoughts on the movie?DJ Psyched: My thoughts on the movie now, I will say that I do think that the movie is missing a lot. It's it's definitely not the full story, which, I mean, I ain't even mad about if you try to put this whole thing into one movie. Of course, it's not going to be everything in here because there's way too much happening here. That'd be like a nine hour movie. But I will say I was happy with what was in it for the most part, not everything. I think that there were definitely some stuff like the Barclay thing bothered me. I didn't why even change Molly's name, Molly's name was fine as Molly, Molly didn't need to die at the end. But I think some of this stuff like certain scenes were really cool because they were really spot on. Like the scenes that were spot on. Were very neat to see because they were just what you envision from the movie like the intro scene with the x That was really good. Then the next scene after that with the girls house that was pretty spot on. They even had like the friggin penis door handle. It was amazingly spot on. But once they started changing the story to save time, like getting rid of Vegas and changing how they find the trap door and including Marconi in a different way and ended the movie just felt like they rushed through the book as fast as possible, and jumping over whatever was like too long for them.Ella: I just feel like the movie didn't do that great of a job kind of showing just how like dark and like evil currach actually was like the book had so many just so many different things that just made it like I would definitely consider the book a horror fiction. I don't think I would consider the movie a horror movie.DJ Psyched: Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think that the way that the movie was done, it's kind of a comedy. Like it's just a comedy at the end of the movie. Like when you watch it, you're like, haha, that was funny and weird. But you're not really going to get the full grasp of this story. You're not going to get the horror or the gore. You're not even really getting a lot of the characters.Ella: I think they kind of disrespected Amy by giving her that stupid face.DJ Psyched: Yeah, Amy was like we didn't talk enough about Amy on this podcast, but Amy's an amazing character and baby definitely did her dirty in the movie.Ella: Yeah. And she was a redhead in the book.DJ Psyched: Okay, that's another thing about the movie, the cast for the movie. I think the only person that kind of fit what they were in my head was shitload. shitload was the only one that was on par for me. The rest of them I, Dave and john were like, really young and attractive, which there's nothing wrong with except the fact that Dave always described himself as like, kind of overweight and like kind of old and he kind of the way he talks about until you kind of imagine him as a little old as raggedy and shit like, not this young put together, ma'am.Ella: Mm hmm. The actors just didn't fit the vibes that I had for john and Dave, or Amy or Dr. Marconi.DJ Psyched: Dr. Marconi wasn't too far off for me. I think Dr. Marconi was it was pretty All right. I didn't like the Amy thing at all. Like Amy was a good ass character in the book. Amy was like very one dimensional and just brushed off and the movie.Ella: Yeah, Jayla wasn't even in it.DJ Psyched: I'm just really mad about this JLo thing.Ella: I mean, yeah. I think the worst out of all the characters was Mali slash Berkeley's and just don't get it.DJ Psyched: And they left out huge parts of the plot, which is why i mean, i and this movie, like, I'm not trying to give it hate. Like, I'm pretty sure this movie was made a very small budget, it was like, kinda like a film festival movie or something. And I think they did a good job for what they did. But there were small details that I think just didn't need to happen. Like, I agree the Barclay changing Mali name thing was a bit unnecessary. Putting the fake hand on Amy was a bit unnecessary, I think it would have been fine, that they had to get rid of certain portions of this book to make it fit the movie length. But I think that they just didn't need to add in those details. And if they weren't going, they probably were just going for a weird comedy. That wasn't a reflection of the book, but more as inspired by the book, which, if that's what they were going for, which I do think that's what they're going for. I think giving me that weird hand was definitely a comedic choice, then it's fine. But as someone who was a huge fan of the book and was looking forward to a movie that would represent it. I wasn't like, it doesn't serve that purpose at all.Ella: I think a lot of people who read the book probably would say Amy was one of the characters.DJ Psyched: I do think that yeah, this movie was intentionally made to be some kind of comedy or something. Because it works for that purpose. If you have someone who's never read the book, I showed this movie to some of my older roommates in my last apartment, and it was a really great night because they were all like, What is wrong with you? Who's amazing? You mentioned show it to my roommate. You should. It's a great movie. There's some big things missing from the movie, like the fact that Dave never dies. There's really not I don't think they mentioned the symbol of croc in the movie.Ella: When they go to the other universe. It's not at all how I would have mentioned it.DJ Psyched: Yeah, a weird chipmunk looking guy with his weird mask.Ella: Like I don't know, I thought I would see a bunch of nasty ass bugs and shit. I didn't see any of that. Yeah, even Caracas like Caracas. Kinda I imagined it to be but like not really at the same time.DJ Psyched: Agreed. Well that's it that's our movie comparison. Honestly, there's probably so much more we could talk about for the book and movie cuz a lot that happened. Ella: Oh, Dave's entire mental history like shit that happened him in school.DJ Psyched:  Yeah, the background stories. Yeah. Because that's I think that's another reason why him and Amy are so cute. That was cute like you really get his background there with like, he got into that fight and let him into that school. And then you find you find out as tragic as backstory where her parents literally died in front of her. And then she like had a hand that hardly worked most of her life until she gave up on it and had it amputated. Like Amy had a lot of depth to her. And she was a character that the beginning they just kind of Dave just kind of brushed her off. Ella: He came up with a nickname for her. And that's why Dave was terrified of her older brother.DJ Psyched:  I think it's really cool that we do get to see the story of his perspective, because we get to see him like judge Amy, even before he meets her, she right off the bat. And then slowly as he actually gets to know her and understand what really happened in high school. Like he just assumed she was there forever. Like she had always been in those classes. And that Oh, he was the only one with the circumstance that had nothing to do with that. But she was the same way she was in those classes because of something that was totally out of her control.Ella: Yeah. Okay. I told her my favorite john moment before, that's not it anymore. Now, so just because, like I'm thinking about when Amy was like telling Dave, like, you know about her stuff and about how it sucks. Like, she doesn't have a hand she always tries to hide he doesn't want to be that girl who's doesn't have a hand. And I just thought it was super cute. When when Dave said like when john described you He never said anything girl without a hand. I thought that was super cute.DJ Psyched: I thought it was also interesting to how like john knew what had happened to her way before Dave did, because I think they mentioned it somewhere that like he's like, Yeah, she lost that hand. And like john just says it like offhandedly and then walks away. And Dave's just like, yeah, I didn't know any of that.Ella: John's a weird one. Do we get to see like different parts of john in the next two books?DJ Psyched: Yeah, john has a lot that happens to this is exciting. Very interesting. A lot of fun to read. Like just everything he says mostly is just funny, or everything he does these next two books. I honestly, I listened to them both as audiobooks. I never read them. I have a hard time remembering what happened in which book and like, where what is going on? I remember these next few books are just as if not much more chaotic than that first one.Ella: Do John and Dave ever, like not become friends?DJ Psyched: No. Okay, good. I don't think that happens. I mean, that's one of the great things about john and Dave, they're very normal, regular people, they had those periods in their life where they were closer, there was periods in their life where they weren't all friends go through that, you know, like, you're really close in certain periods. And sometimes you're just kind of not around each other. And they kind of experienced that. But like, at the end of the day, they are friends. So they kind of have that consistency of like, they're friends. But there are moments that there's more john and Dave and there's moments where there's less especially you know, now we finally have Dave and Amy they get a put together at the end of this book. So you do know that like, there's gonna be something going on there as Dave develops his relationship with Amy. Yeah. Which will be interesting to watch because or read about because we know that Amy's off in school now. Can't wait for you to find out what happens in this next book.Ella: I swear they better not. They better be fine. Happily ever after. They're so cute.DJ Psyched: We'll definitely see we're leaving you on a cliffhanger here. So you now that you know what happens in this book, you know, we have a lot of investment in this series. And I hope you do now to whoever's listening to this. But yeah, that's it for today. We'll talk more about this series on the next episode of the podcast. But that's it. Last thing I'm going to say is the discussion question. We have a good reads where we have a book club for this podcast. I'm gonna link below in the description, the link to the Goodreads account so you can join in on the discussion. So our discussion question for the week is would you take soy sauce? Ella? Would you take soy sauce?Ella: No, I still think no. Would you?DJ Psyched: Yes. I sure hope that I have john and Dave's luck and don't die when I take it. But I think it'd be really interesting to experience like all the side effects of soy sauce and get to see like being like really smart and really weird and like being able to like manipulate time and the way I communicate with people. I think it'd be interesting to see what that kind of is like for them because they say that the sauce the effects lasts your whole life. So it is kind of a hard choice. You know, if you take the soy sauce, you can never go back from that decision. But it seems interesting. I want to try it.Ella: Music could never listen to music the same way again.DJ Psyched:  Oh, no. You just thought you can never listen to music the same way again, like their moments that they haven't like normal music, you know when they use the boombox and stuff but there are just there gonna be times when music is terrible, but thank you Have you listened to all of this? Let us know what you think in the comment section below if you're on YouTube or not on YouTube, then you can click on The link in the description go to Goodreads and talk to us about this. Thank you so much for listening and thank you Ella for being a guest on the podcast again. This was Miss Psyched and DJ Psyched thoughts on john Dies at the End.Ella: Thanks for having me.DJ Psyched: Thank you for listening and until next time, stay safe.
Get Psyched intro music was created by PME, used by permission. Find PME on Spotify.10 Reasons why good sleep is important. Why do we need sleep? The effects of sleep deprivation and chronotype on adolescent affect. Episode transcript from Otter.ai:You're listening to the Get Psyched podcast. I'm DJ Psyched and today we're talking about sleep. I want to talk about why sleep is important and how we can improve our sleep. I wanted to talk about this because I haven't really been sleeping my best lately, like a lot of people. I mean, while you're in quarantine, it's just hard sometimes to get yourself on a regular sleep schedule. So I decided I'd make myself a guide on how to sleep better to see if that would help me improve my sleep, which I'm going to talk about that in the second half of this podcast, I thought it would be important to address the why why is sleep important could knowing why sleep is important, could understanding its importance possibly help in getting better sleep, or could it in any way help motivate me or anyone like me trying to get better sleep to get better sleep. And for me, I think it totally worked. After doing a lot of this research and learning about the positives of getting good sleep and the drawbacks of not getting enough sleep. I think that it's definitely motivated me to actually start taking some of these steps and really putting this into my life. To sum it up, I want to say something that a lot of people know about sleep, sleep is key to a healthy lifestyle. A lot of the times when you hear people talking about living a healthy lifestyle, they're talking about eating good. They're talking about working out and they're talking about getting good sleep, everyone knows that these three things are key to having a healthy lifestyle. And something I thought was interesting is the more research I did, the more I realized these three things really bounce off each other a lot. And the science and the studies all kind of back it up. eating better, helps improve our sleep, working out helps improve our sleep, sleeping improves our workout qualities, and sleeping improves the way that we digest things. And they all kind of bounce out each other in different ways like this working out, eating better, and sleep. They're all most effective when you're doing all of these things. But that's not what today's podcasts about today we're focusing in on the sleep aspect of it. Why is sleep so important. And we're going to talk even a little bit about what is sleep and how sleep cycles work. But first, we're going to talk about the positive effects of sleep. But before we get into everything, I just want to say I got my information from articles that I read and peer reviewed studies that I read. I also got some of it from my time in college, I studied psychology and I took a few health courses, I combined all this different stuff that I learned to put this podcast together. But to make sure I give credit where credit is due. I'm going to link the articles and studies that I talked about below. If you want any more information, if you want to see where all this stuff came from, I'm going to have the articles below. So you can see that for yourself. And some of this also is just from experience. But for the most part, I'm going to be backing up everything I say it's not just going to be me being like get sleep because it makes you feel good. We're gonna get into this a bit, I want to talk about the true positive effects of getting sleep and the true negative effects of sleep deprivation. So let's go right into it positive effects on our body.When we sleep more, we improve our immune function. This is so important all the time. But it's also really important right now in the world. We're in the middle of a pandemic and anything we can do to make sure that we're safe we should be doing and sleep is one of those things sleep boosts our immune systems sleep will help us heal faster from sicknesses. And sleep will also prevent us from getting illnesses. So there was a study that once gave people nasal drops with a cold virus in it. And there were two groups of people in this study people who slept less than seven hours and people who slept eight hours or more. People who slept less than seven hours were three times more likely to actually develop that cold and people who slept the full eight hours, which means that just because of the way that they were sleeping, some people didn't get the cold. So if you and someone that you're around are both exposed to a cold, your friends stay up all night and you decide to get some sleep chances are you won't develop the cold and your friend just might just the factor of sleep alone could prevent you from getting an illness. It's good to sleep when you're sick, because you can heal yourself. Everyone knows that you need sleep when you're sick to get your body back in order. But you could also prevent illnesses by sleeping. I think that's great. Another point to sleeping better is more social and emotional intelligence. This is one that I wasn't quite expecting. But I saw it in a few different articles and a few different sources. And basically, there's this understanding that if we sleep less, we'll have a harder time reading people's emotions and understanding social cues than if we had more sleep. So you'll experience a little bit less empathy if you're not sleeping as much and you'll be worse at reading emotions. But if you sleep more, you'll be better at these social functions which goes into another point which is our mood which is greatly improved by getting good sleep but we're gonna talk about that a little bit more when we talk about the effects of not getting sleep.Sleep helps us heal and repair our bodies. It helps with our heart with blood vessels and with muscles. This is really big for working out a lot of workout programs will recommend you take melatonin because melatonin will help you sleep better melatonin will help put you into a deeper sleep and this is important because our body will repair our muscles while we're sleeping. If two people were to both do the same workout work themselves out to the body theoretically speaking, the person who decides to go to sleep that night nice and early and get nine hours of sleep is going to have their muscles repaired at a faster and more efficient rate than someone who decided to stay up and sleep like five hours before work the next day. Sleep improves our repairing and healing of our bodies. So if you're working out, you're going to get the most out of your workout by sleeping well. And also you'll be refreshed and recovered to work out the next day, which goes into another point. good sleep helps improve with athletic performance. It's been linked to improve speed, accuracy, reaction times, and our mental well being which all together will improve all kinds of daily functioning. But yes, it's been linked to athletic performance and working out. So that's another way that sleep and workout are important. Another really important thing is consolidation of memory. Getting good sleep will help us improve our consolidation and our recall of memories. This is why it's so important to sleep before an exam, you'll hear people say all the time, make sure you sleep the day before an exam and make sure you have a good breakfast. Why? Well, our sleep is going to help us consolidate our memories and improve our recall, which is really important. If you're doing something like taking an exam. When we learn something first we hear right? It's in our working memory. But we have to get that memory to consolidate, to stick to go into a different part of our memory so that we can recall it. recalling a memory is just pulling it out of your head and seeing it and really interacting with it right. This is why multiple choice exams are easier than having to type out an answer because it's easier to recall something if you have a cue to pull up your recall. And it's also easier to recall something if you sleep on it.If you learn something and then you sleep well, you're going to have an easier time recalling it. Everyone knows you shouldn't cram study the night before an exam. But like my professor once told me, the best way to study for an exam is to study a portion of the information a few days beforehand, sleep really well so that you're going to consolidate that memory and have an easier time recalling it. Recall it the next day, keep recalling it in your head, and then learn some more information, sleep recall, keep doing this. And when the day of the exam comes, your consolidation and your recall are going to be at their peak because your sleep is key to that you could just stay up all night, learn all the information, keep recalling it in your head a bajillion times and get little sleep. But the problem is, the memories aren't going to consolidate as hard and your recall is going to be much harder. This is why sleep is so important for exams or anything like that. Usually in college, I was definitely one of those people who would study just a couple days beforehand. And it was a little harder to recall memories when I only had learned the information for like two or three days. But when I studied for the nasm exam, I spent months studying because this exam was kind of expensive, and I wanted to pass it first time. And I spent months and months learning the information and recalling it. And by the time I came to the exam, recalling the information was incredibly easy. It works consolidating memories is another big bonus to getting good sleep.And the last one I have for bonuses to getting good sleep is brain functionality, which includes our cognition, concentration, productivity and performance, which kind of Lincoln's everything else I was saying already. And we all know that like when you sleep well, you feel well rested, you get more done, you're more motivated to do things, it's easier to do things, when you have better sleep, you are more inclined to do things, you're going to be more productive, your brain is going to be working at a faster rate, your performance is going to be up, you're gonna be able to focus a lot harder. We all know these things. We've all experienced it before. And it's good for your brain functionality to get good sleep. So that's why sleep is important. Those are some benefits. Looking at these benefits does make me realize that I've been putting my sleep on the back burner as far as a priority. It is really great to do things I love sitting here and making this podcast I love editing my podcasts, I love writing for my novel. I love doing all these things. But I do know that I need to go to sleep at night and wake up and do these things. Because just staying up and doing them all the time and waking up early and just trying to get everything done. As opposed to taking any rest time is not efficient, it's not really helpful to try and do doo doo doo doo and not do the one simple task that's going to help make all these tasks better. I am way more focused today to do this podcast and to do this research, because I got better sleep last night. As opposed to if I had just gotten a few hours of sleep, and I'd probably be groggy and just do the easiest podcast that came to mind. Aside from just the positives. I do want to talk about the negatives.  What happens if we don't get good sleep? Well, I'm just gonna say first and foremost, the opposite of everything I said before, right? You're gonna have worse immune system, you're gonna like struggle with recall. But we're gonna talk about some other stuff too, the worst of what I've seen so far, and what I really want to talk about was emotional difficulties. This is a huge one. And it's something that I've noticed within myself a lot and I know a lot of other people feel this too. When you don't sleep as much you don't feel as good emotionally, not just physically and this has been reported there was a study I'm going to link the study down below the participants in this study, they reported less positive emotions when they were sleep deprived, as opposed to when they were well rested and sleep can affect our mood. So overall sleep is just going to have this effect on making us feel down.A lot of this stuff is very multi dimension It's not just as simple as bad sleep means bad emotions. The benefits to having good sleep will make us feel better emotionally, because it feels good to get things done. It feels good to have good workouts done, it feels good to be able to remember stuff, it feels good to have those positive effects. And it feels bad to have some of these negative effects I'm going to talk about here, there's a multi dimensional layer as to why not getting enough sleep will affect our emotional state and make us less positive and ruin our emotions, I think it's important to remember that sleep because of all these different factors, it really does have a big role, not just our physical health, but our mental health, I'm going to go into something else that I found interesting was the risk factor for obesity in not getting good sleep. So this is also very multi dimensional, it's thought that a bunch of different factors that include our hormones, and our motivation to exercise are what effect this risk of obesity, like I said before, when we sleep really well, we're more motivated to do things including working out and you know, getting in certain activity levels. But when we don't get sleep, we're gonna feel physically exhausted, we're going to be less motivated and less driven to do things we're going to be less likely to work out. And so that can be one factor that leads to this increased chance of obesity and hormones are also a part of that a part of our body and our physical functioning, we have two very important hormones that deal with our appetite that's our ghrelin and leptin, whenever we don't sleep as much, we're gonna have higher levels of ghrelin, this is what gives us appetite gonna make you hungrier, and you're gonna have reduced levels of leptin, which suppresses our appetite, which is basically kind of what makes us feel full. So you could feel less fool and more hungry, just because you're not getting as much sleep, your hormone levels are going to be out of whack and having your ghrelin and your leptin not properly aligned and not working with your body is very frustrating. It's annoying. And it's going to make it harder to know your true hunger levels, which, like I said, is a risk factor for obesity. But not only that, it's just unpleasant to feel hungry. And to have like these fluctuations in your body, like I said, the big three, jump around with each other, eating good working out getting good sleep. So getting good sleep is actually going to help your hormones out so that you can eat better. And like we already said, getting good sleep is going to give us better workouts. So yeah, I just thought it was an interesting point that I saw there, that it does increase the chances of obesity, but also it plays a role in our hormones. And we also already talked about brain functionality with cognition, concentration, productivity, all that, like I said, the negative effect is that those things won't be there, you won't have the increased productivity, you'll have a lot less productivity, you won't be able to concentrate as much and performance is going to be down. And also there was a study that found that the impacts of our brain function with sleep deprivation, were similar to that of alcohol intoxication, meaning that with less sleep, our brain is kind of operating as if we were drunk. Anyone who knows what that feels like knows that your brain is not functioning, its full ability, and it does not feel very good. And sleep deprivation can do that to us, I'm not going to be really extreme here and go into all the extreme side effects that could happen with sleep deprivation. But there are people who say that there are certain things like heart disease or high blood pressure, that could be affected from not getting enough sleep. But let's not let it ever get to that point right here, we're just talking about not getting enough sleep and getting enough sleep and what it can do in the short term. But yes, in the long term, not getting enough sleep is also going to have a lot of terrible effects on us our mind is a muscle is something I learned in psychology in school a lot is that even if something isn't perfect, even if you're not getting an entire eight hours of sleep every single night, maybe Fridays, you usually get less sleep or something like that maybe your sleep schedule isn't totally perfect, it's better to try and get it right most of the time, get that sleep as much as you can have a general slope that's increasing slowly and steadily throughout time, it's good to just try and get as much sleep as you can and stay that way. Because the positive effects will build up over time, if you're getting good sleep, the majority of the time, you're going to feel a lot of these positive effects. And it's not going to matter if you have a few bad days, as opposed to if you're constantly getting really bad sleep, then you're probably not going to feel the effects of good sleep as much it works the same way both ways. Right. If you're constantly getting really good sleep, then a few bad days are not going to ruin you, you're not going to end up you know with all these negative effects just for a few bad days. But you want the slope to be mostly positive for that. If your slope is mostly negative, if you're usually getting really bad sleep, and then you have a few days of good sleep, then you might not experience some of these positive effects to the same extent that you would what I'm saying here is it is important just to try and get as much good sleep as you can as much as you can. Because over time, the good stuff will build and become even better. But if you're going the other way, if you're going to have a bad sleep day and you're going to let that keep carrying on, then the negative effects that's when they can become a bit more detrimental. Now I want to talk a little bit about sleep and the cycles. I'm not going to get way too into it. I don't want to talk about each individual cycle. I learned about it once it's really interesting. If you want to learn more, I will have a link below about these sleep cycles. But just to keep it brief, I'm going to summarize it by saying there are two main kinds of sleep and NREM sleep or REM sleep as most people call it. Most people have heard of REM sleep, the difference is,  NREM sleep is non rapid eye movement. And REM sleep is rapid eye movement sleep, there are three stages of sleep that are in the NREM cycle. And then there's one phase of sleep that is REM. REM sleep is where we want to go. This is what most people are talking about when they're talking about sleep. REM sleep is that nice deep sleep, where we dream, our body kind of paralyzes a bit. And some people think that's because like, we don't want to act out our dreams while we're sleeping. So our body like paralyzes itself, which I think is kind of neat. I don't know if there's any way to prove that or if we know that for certain. But it's kind of a cool thought that like our body keeps us in inaction so that we don't like act out our dreams in our sleep, which sometimes does happen. So that's REM sleep. And REM sleep is very heavily associated with memory consolidation, a very big part of sleep is REM sleep, we want to get into that deep sleep or we're dreaming our bodies still, we're consolidating our memories. And the way that sleep works is like I said, there's those three cycles of sleep that are in an REM sleep, and then there's REM sleep. When we sleep at night, we go through all these four phases multiple times, we don't just slowly get into a deep sleep and then stay in REM sleep. We cycle through these sleep cycles all throughout the night. And usually each cycle takes about an hour and a half to two hours. So that's why it's important to get good sleep at night, get few hours of sleep and have consistent sleep. Because if you were to lay down at night, get a good eight hours in you'll go through that cycle a few times you'll get that REM sleep and you'll get these impacts. That's better than getting like a few hours of sleep and then taking naps throughout the day. If you're going to take a nap which I don't know the science of naps, I don't at all. But most people say like a nap is like 20 minutes or something, you're not going to get to REM sleep in that little bit of time. that's besides the point. But the last part of this before we get into how to get better sleep is how much sleep do we need to get them to get these benefits. So to basically summarize it, which I will also link this below, if you're interested in learning more babies need the most sleep around school age, we need nine to 11 hours of sleep, teenagers go to about eight to 10 hours of sleep being an adult, pre adult, all those stages, it's usually about seven to nine hours of sleep, which is where I guess the magic number eight comes in. Because it's besides being a kid, eight hours seems to be pretty standard for most age groups. I guess in conclusion, yeah, sleeping eight hours a night is good. That's basically what I drew from this is that like, get that eight hours try to get some nights of nine hours get good sleep, yet more than seven hours of sleep. So now this is the part of it, where I talk about how I plan to get better sleep. And hopefully, these tips can help you too. These are things that I've tried out throughout the years things that I've been trying out recently and things that I think really work and helping get better sleep tip one set a bedtime and a wakeup time. And a lot of people say when you do this, you should definitely stick to it all the time, including weekends. And I think that's true, especially when you first do it like when you first set a sleep time and a wakeup time. It is better to do it every day than to like do it a few days and then not on the weekends because you want to get your body used to it. People who have a set bedtime and a set wakeup time will tell you that if you get your body on a clock, your body will do the work for you, you will not really need to wake up to your alarm anymore. If you're consistently waking up at 6am your body will just wake you up at that time. And you won't need to like try and wear yourself out or take a bunch of melatonin or try all these methods get to sleep early if you're going to wake up that early. Because if you're going to wake up that early, and you're consistently going to sleep at the same time at night, your body will start to get tired and you will start to wear out earlier in the day. This is something I used to experience back in college I did used to go to sleep at like 9:10pm and I'd be up at like six or 7am and I was just consistently like even on the weekends I would just pop up at like 7am and I could not stay up past like 10 that was what my body had adjusted to. So my body was giving me these cues without me having to do anything to help it but just like you could put your body on a schedule you could get your body off of it. By staying up too many times by sleeping in too much. I've ruined that cycle my body is no longer like that I used to be incapable of waking up past 7am I would try really hard because I would like there were some nights I'd go to sleep at like 2am and then my body would force me awake at 7am and I just couldn't go back to sleep. As doesn't happen to me anymore. I could very easily sleep till like 11 or 12 setting a bedtime and setting a wakeup time is very important. Currently I'm going to try midnight to 8am I think that that's a pretty standard base way for my lifestyle right now. It's just going to work. You don't have to do the extremes of going to sleep at like nine and waking up at seven whatever works for you. Whatever works for your lifestyle. I think midnight to eight sounds great for me. Tip number two, no caffeine past 5pm I actually haven't had coffee in like a week but before that I was drinking coffee non stop like I would drink a cup in the morning and then a cup a few hours later in the morning and then a cup in the evening and a cup around like six or seven very much unneeded I just really like coffee. Which is terrible for my sleep because I would have these rushes of energy and then that energy would kind of live on throughout me and I'd be able to easily stay up till three to 4am, which is just really unnecessary. But having no caffeine past 5pm is just supposed to help your body rid itself of the caffeine before your bedtime. And this will probably differ for different people depending on when you're trying to go to sleep. I think what I read was like you want to have your last cup of coffee at least six hours before bed. Some people say way more. Basically, coffee should be a morning thing. Don't put it into your evening don't have late coffees, if you're trying to go to sleep early. Make sure that your caffeine levels aren't really high a few hours before bed.Tip three, no phone an hour before bedtime. This is one that is really, really helpful. I've noticed that with myself, if I really want to get to bed, the easiest thing for me to do is just pull up my book and start reading, put my phone aside and it'll be way easier to fall asleep. It's so easy to lay there in bed and stay awake till obscene hours on your phone. No matter what you're doing. Tick Tock is the absolute worst I could stay up to like five or 6am easily on Tick Tock I don't it's addictive, and the screen is bright. And I don't know, everything about that app somehow just has some mesmerizing thing about keeping you up at night. But tic tocs not the only one there are plenty of apps and things you can do on your phone or on your computer that will keep you up way past bedtime. It is something about the screen, you know, like they say like the blue light from the screen is gonna keep you awake that and usually what you're doing on your phone or your laptop or whatever is kind of like mesmerizing is gonna keep you up. If you're watching a TV show, you're gonna want to stay up and continue watching because you're into it. If you're on an app or something, most apps are made to be addictive made to suck you in. And most things are made to suck you in on a computer screen. So it's important to get away from those screens an hour before bed. If you want to pull yourself into sleep, it's easier to do something relaxing, maybe write in a journal or a book or something or read or do some kind of craft. Doing something that's not electronic an hour before bed will greatly increase your chances of falling asleep as something I've noticed for myself. And the research says it to not having those screens in front of your face is really good for you along with this something that I do and something that I've recently started doing to increase my sleep, no phones in bed, it really helps to not do things in your bed that aren't sleeping. I haven't been doing this much lately, but it's something I want to start doing more. I do do the second part of this, like I don't do anything in my bed other than sleep. I think that it makes total sense. If you want your body to associate sleep with your bed, don't do other things in bed, don't scroll on your laptop in bed, I use that chair over there to read because I don't even really want to read in bed much anymore. I don't ever use my laptop in bed, I don't edit in bed. I don't do anything in bed besides sleep. But also just don't have your phone near your bed, don't have your phone on your bed. If you're going to charge your phone, charge it across the room. Don't leave it near you. It's tempting. If it's far away, you won't do it. If it's right there, you're gonna pick up your phone right before bed. First thing in the morning, I did this last week, I just left my phone on my computer desk before I went to bed at night. And when I went to sleep I was reading before I went to bed. And the first thing I did in the morning was read because my book is right next to me and my phone was far away. And it felt good to not get on my phone first thing in the morning, it's not stay up late on my phone.So I think just keeping the phone away from bed and having a rule where you don't lay in bed with your phone, it really helps. Some of these other ones are very specific to me. So I'm just gonna go through them real quick. Tip four for me is using my Google calendar to plan things. If I use my Google calendar to plan that I'm going to do something in the morning, I'm much more likely to get up and do it. If I use my Google calendar to plan anything, I'm much more likely to get up and do it on that time. I love having my Google Calendar in front of me because it shows me that there's not a lot of time in my day. And I want to do a lot. So I need to be efficient about the way I use my time. Google Calendar has always been huge. For me, this tip really helps with my sleep, which I didn't honestly expect because as much as I love using my Google Calendar, it was always just to organize my days. But I find that when I'm laying in bed, and I think about the fact that the day before I set up my calendar for today, and I'm booked and I just can't afford to sleep in, it really pulls me out of bed. I'm like, okay, I want to get all these things on my list done today. I need to get up now. So that's really helpful for me for getting myself up in the morning, which is important for getting better sleep, right? Get yourself up in the morning. And then get yourself down at night. Something that I really need to work on number five is setting end times to things you're doing and sticking to them. This could go for anything. If you really love playing video games, tell yourself to turn the console off at like 11 if you want to go to sleep by midnight, if you're really into watching YouTube videos, tell yourself to turn it off at a certain hour to no matter what your thing is, whatever that thing is that's keeping you up, set an end time to it set a limit and I need to start doing this to myself more to there are definitely a few things that I just can do endlessly for a very long period of time. And I need to stop set an end time to things and stick to it. It's hard it is I struggle with this a lot. I'll tell myself I'm like okay, I will stop listening to music at 11 I don't care what's going on and then 11 rolls around and I'm like a few more minutes and then all of a sudden it's like 3am so it's important to try set these end times and really make sure you stick to them. Tip six is one that I really love working out really hard in wearing myself out. If I am working out and I'm like, Okay, I need better sleep tonight and sleep much last night. I'm going to push myself a little harder in that workout because I know that physically getting myself to fatigue a little bit to feel feel really good. First of all workouts feel great and I feel really great when I work out. But if I work out really hard, and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna be tired later because that was a hard workout. That's a good feeling. I love like going to sleep at night like oh, I'm tired because I did really good in my workout today. I mean, working out in general improves sleep, but sometimes just telling myself like, Okay, I'm just gonna run for like five more minutes and I'll be a little more tired tonight. So yeah, I like to keep up my consistent workouts to get better sleep Melatonin is good. It's Melatonin is natural. It's something that's in our body already taking Melatonin is just supplemental to give us a little more melatonin. Melatonin is a natural hormone that helps us fall asleep at night and you can supplement with melatonin if you want to take it definitely do your own research. I've heard that not everyone should take melatonin. I've heard stuff about melatonin that I'm not going to say here cuz I'm not an expert on melatonin. But I will say that I personally use melatonin before to get better sleep. And it has worked for me, it helps put you in a deeper sleep, it can help make you feel a little drowsy. So it definitely does help in sleep. But like I said, if you're going to take you should probably do your own research and make sure it's good for you. Because I've heard that there are some cases in which you wouldn't want to take melatonin. Tip eight is one that's also very specific to me. But I think a lot of people would find enjoyment in this is reading right before bed and reading first thing in the morning. I already talked about this. But I just love doing these two things, not only because it helps me fall asleep at night to not look at a screen. But I really love reading. And so I kind of look forward to this time at night like I'm like, okay, I want to get myself into bed because I want to read a little bit. And when I first wake up in the morning, I have something to be excited about. I'm like, whoo, I get to read my story now. So I wake up and I'm like, Oh, yeah, that story. And then I'll just start reading and it gets me up a little faster.So this really helps me wake up first thing in the morning. And it also helps motivate me to go into my bed. Number nine is very similar to the Google Calendar. Using a planner. I like sitting there and writing my stuff out. It's basically the same thing as the Google Calendar, except I use my planner a little more in the morning. Like in the morning, I'll write out everything I need to do. So once I'm done reading and I got out of bed and I'm writing in my planner, I get right to work because I see that there's a lot of things I want to get done. So now I'm like, okay, what's the first task I can knock out of the way. And the final tip I have Tip Number 10. Don't turn off the alarm when you wake up in the morning. If you have an alarm waking you up, don't turn it off and just roll back over. It may be hard the first few days, if you're trying to get your sleep on schedule, maybe you went to sleep a little later than you expected. Maybe you're feeling a little bit more tired than you expected. Don't turn off the alarm, go for it wake up, get up a little early. Getting up a little earlier means you'll get a little tired a little earlier. And you'll get to sleep a little earlier that night and you'll get better sleep at night. Sometimes you just have to fight through the first few alarms. But don't ever turn off your alarm if you've gotten the sleep that you really want and need for that time. Now if you're not feeling good, and you're like okay, I could use some more sleeps, I'm really not feeling well and you can afford it, go for it, get some more sleep. But if you're really trying to get your sleep back on track, I think it's important to have a little bit of that willpower. I never read the book, The flinch. But it talks about how like, Well, before you do something, we always like to hesitate. We always hesitate before we do things and not turning off your alarm, don't hesitate, just do it just get up in the morning, it's really helpful for setting your sleep schedule and getting your sleep aligned. Just as soon as you hear the alarm. Don't turn it off, I only set one alarm in the mornings because of this. If I don't get up at that first alarm, I won't be able to get up. And in college, I couldn't afford that I couldn't afford to miss class or miss work, just because I slept through an alarm. So I put the pressure on myself, I set one alarm. And as soon as I heard it, I knew that I only had two options get up as soon as I heard the alarm and get on my schedule and get going or miss the alarm and missed something very, very important. And guess what, that's how I got my sleep schedule together the first time it is good. If you are thinking like okay, I really can't afford to miss something. And I might just sleep through my alarm, maybe have like a physical alarm and a phone alarm. So like your phone alarm goes off at that set time and you know, you need to get up. But just in case one minute later, you're like set alarm will go off for you. It's a little risky. But I think it's very helpful to try and train yourself to not drop that alarm if you don't want to go to the extremes of only setting one alarm because that could be a little dangerous, then just tell yourself that you can't turn the alarm off. You can't you're not allowed to it's a rule. No, turn the alarm off, get up and get going. And that tip really helped me when I was first getting my sleep together and it's something I want to start doing again. That's it, there was my 10 tips on how to get better sleep. And we talked a bit about the positive effects of getting better sleep, the negative effects of not getting sleep, what sleep is sleep is just good for us all around. It's good for our memory. It's good for our bodies, it's good for our minds. And so I think it's really important to have this conversation about sleep, especially in this time of quarantine, where it's really easy to get off of a good sleep schedule. It's really easy not to care about your sleep schedule. If you're like me and you do everything at home, you work at home, you work out at home. A lot of people are doing this right now it can be really hard to get your on a regular sleep schedule, it could just be like time is a little endless. But sleep is important. Sleep is good for us and sleep can make us feel better. And that's something that's really cool and important to remember. So if you listen to this whole podcast thank you so much for listening. Let me know if any of this information was useful to you. was any of it surprising you already know all this or was anything new? And I'll Of course like I said, I'm going to have all the studies and information linked below. So thank you so much for listening and until next time, stay safe.
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