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Hell & High Water with John Heilemann

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A ravenous pandemic. A ruinous recession. Protests, riots, racial strife, police brutality. And, of course, Donald Trump. The turmoil and upheaval roiling America in 2020 is the subject of Hell & High Water with John Heilemann. Through a series of conversations with the people shaping our culture — in politics, entertainment, business, technology, sports, food, and beyond — best-selling author and TV host John Heilemann (Game Change, Double Down, Showtime's The Circus) explores how the country is grappling with this apocalyptic moment and its existential stakes... and attempting to pull through and rise above it.

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Lawrence Lessig and Laurence Tribe are among the most important and influential legal minds of this or any era. Lessig, a pioneer in the field of cyber-law, is the Roy L. Furman Professor of Law and Leadership at Harvard Law School and founder of Equal Citizens, a non-profit focused on the cause of electoral reform. Tribe, the Carl M. Loeb University Professor Emeritus at Harvard, is arguably the preeminent constitutional scholar of his generation, has argued 35 cases before the US Supreme Court, and was a key member of Al Gore's legal team in the 2000 Florida recount. Heilemann invites the Legal Larrys, as he calls them, to discuss Donald Trump's attempts to overturn the results of the presidential election, how his efforts have revealed serious weaknesses in our democratic processes, and the increasingly urgent arguments for scrapping the Electoral College. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Laurie Garrett

Laurie Garrett

2020-11-1701:12:456

Laurie Garrett has been tracking epidemics and outbreaks since the early 1990's. She is the author of The Coming Plague, Betrayal of Trust, and I Heard the Sirens Scream and has won a Pulitzer Prize, a George Polk Award (twice), and a Peabody Award. With Thanksgiving approaching, and Covid-19 infection rates shooting up in all 50 states, Heilemann turns to Garrett, one of the foremost science journalists in the world, for her incisive and unflinching look at the pandemic. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Jon Meacham & Maya Wiley

Jon Meacham & Maya Wiley

2020-11-1001:13:332

Maya Wiley is a nationally recognized racial justice and equity advocate. She is the former Counsel to the Mayor in New York City, the former Chair of the NYPD Civilian Complaint Review Board, and she founded the Digital Equity Laboratory on universal and inclusive broadband at The New School. Jon Meacham is a Pulitzer Prize–winning biographer, a contributing writer for The New York Times Book Review and a contributing editor of Time magazine, and he holds the Rogers Chair in the American Presidency at Vanderbilt University, lives in Nashville. Heilemann brings these two brilliant mind together in order to step back and look at Joe Biden and Kamala Harris election victory through the lens of history, civil rights, and the upcoming fights to keep America democratic. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
For the first time ever, all four of The Recount podcast hosts team up for a bonus episode. Jennifer Palmieri, host of "Just Something About Her," David Plouffe and Steve Schmidt, hosts of "Battleground," and John Heilemann, Executive Editor of The Recount and host of "Hell & High Water," discuss the collision of expectations and reality, poll trouble, what may have held Democrats back from bigger wins, and what's next for the country. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Nicolle Wallace

Nicolle Wallace

2020-11-0301:01:0013

Nicolle Wallace is a journalist, author, and the host of "Deadline: White House" on MSNBC. But, most importantly for the purposes of this podcast, she’s a dear friend of Heilemann’s. Their friendship began when Nicolle was the White House Communications Chief to George W. Bush and deepened after Heilemann published "Game Change." The book chronicles the 2008 Presidential campaign and, with it, Nicolle's role as a senior advisor to Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. In this episode of Hell & High Water, Heilemann and Nicolle discuss the Biden campaign, how Sarah Palin was a harbinger of what was to come for the GOP, and what America might look like after the election. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
As former President Barack Obama hits the campaign trail, Heilemann chats with the crew that helped Obama get elected: David Axelrod, chief strategist for the '08 and '12 Obama campaigns and currently Director of the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics; David Plouffe, the '08 Obama campaign manager, former Senior Advisor to the President, and host of the podcasts Battleground (also from The Recount) and Campaign HQ; and Alyssa Mastromonaco, Director of Scheduling and Advance for the Obama '08 campaign and former White House Deputy Chief of Staff. Or, as Heilemann calls them, "the Obama Brain Trust." The three of them discuss the state of the race and President Obama's role in it, before taking a trip down memory lane and reliving some of the most emotional moments from Obama’s ’08 and ’12 campaigns. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Mike Murphy & Stuart Stevens

Mike Murphy & Stuart Stevens

2020-10-2001:08:247

Mike Murphy and Stuart Stevens are two of the most storied consultants in Republican history. Before 2016, they competed against Democrats in races and against each other for clients. Their combined list of clients includes all three Bushes, Mitt Romney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, John McCain, Bob Dole, and many more. But for these Republican stalwarts, Donald J. Trump was a bridge too far. Both are actively involved in the fight to defeat him – Murphy with the group Republican Voters Against Trump and Stevens with The Lincoln Project. They join Heilemann to discuss their take on the state of the race, and use Stuart's new book, It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump, as a jumping-off point for exploring what happened to the GOP. Finally, the two look forward and imagine what a post-Trump party looks like – and what Trump may do as he fights to hold onto power. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
James Carville

James Carville

2020-10-1355:584

James Carville is one of the most famous political strategists of all time. Known around the world as the "Ragin' Cajun," Carville came to national attention in 1992 as the presiding guru behind the campaign of Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. Since then, his hot temper, southern-fried charisma, and theatrical squalls of fury at the media have turned him into a cable news celebrity. Carville has never been shy about expressing his opinion, and in this episode of Hell & High Water, he expounds on his theory that Trump is running to stay out of jail, discusses his disdain for activists, and predicts a Biden landslide. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Ashley Parker is a Pulitzer Prize-winning White House reporter for The Washington Post. Jennifer Palmieri is a best-selling author and the former White House Communications Director for President Obama and Director of Communications for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. Heilemann, Parker, and Palmieri discuss the unsurprising – nonetheless, jaw-dropping – news that President Donald J. Trump has contracted COVID-19 and its implications for the election. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Neal Katyal

Neal Katyal

2020-09-2947:44

Neal Katyal is the former Acting Solicitor General of the United States under Barack Obama, a distinguished lawyer who has argued 41 cases before the Supreme Court and the Paul Saunders Professor of National Security Law at Georgetown University. In this episode, Heilemann and Katyal explore all things SCOTUS. They discuss the late RBG, the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett, the high stakes at play and why Neal is still optimistic about the future of the Supreme Court. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Jeff Daniels

Jeff Daniels

2020-09-2250:211

Jeff Daniels is a celebrated film, television, and stage actor, who stars as former FBI director James Comey in the forthcoming Showtime mini-series “The Comey Rule.” Heilemann and Daniels discuss how the actor approached playing the controversial Comey, a rare public figure despised equally by the left and the right. They explore the motivations of the man who presided over the FBI's investigations of both Hillary Clinton's email and Russia's interference in the 2016 election and its ties to Donald Trump – and was later fired by Trump after refusing his demands of loyalty. Finally, they turn to Daniels's assessment of the existential stakes of the election, and his predictions of a bleak and dark future should Trump be reelected. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Dave Chang

Dave Chang

2020-09-1644:453

Dave Chang is one of the most influential restaurateurs of the 21st century. He's the presiding genius behind the Momofuku empire, the star of “Ugly Delicious” and “Breakfast, Lunch, & Dinner” on Netflix, the host of The Dave Chang Show podcast, and the author of a new memoir called Eat a Peach. John talks to Dave about the new role he’s taken during the course of the pandemic, as a leading voice talking about the restaurant apocalypse brought on by COVID-19. They discuss how the industry is threatened with extinction, not just because of the virus and its implications, but because of structural flaws that existed even before the pandemic. Dave also tells John about his fears and motivations around the writing of a bracingly, brutally honest memoir about his mental health struggles and addiction to rage, and what he hopes people take away from the book.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
Marques Johnson

Marques Johnson

2020-09-0843:421

In the first episode of Hell & High Water, Heilemann talks to Marques Johnson, legendary point forward for UCLA and the Milwaukee Bucks in the seventies and eighties, now a broadcaster for the Bucks. They talk about race, sports, and the NBA playoff boycott, led by the Bucks, in the wake of the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, WI. Johnson discusses his experiences with racism growing up in Louisiana and Los Angeles, how a new generation of players is embracing social activism, and Donald Trump's efforts to politicize sports with his attacks on LeBron James and Colin Kaepernick. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
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Comments (6)

lindsay maynard

i have often enjoyed hearing John Heileman on various tv media especially over these past 4 years. after hearing several of his podcasts im a fan. "so far" great guests and the freedom of the podcast format allow his knowledgable colorful no bs approach to excel. of course i say this because i find myself consistently agreeing with his point of view

Nov 18th
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Trish Guarino

What a treat!!! That was a most pleasurable and informative hour. Listening to two of my favorite people. I watch Nicolle religiously every day M-F and it's a double treat when John is on the show. Two incredibly bright and knowledgeable people with delightful humor tossed in as a bonus. Loved every second!! Please do it again soon!!!

Nov 12th
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Marsha Folsom

As a political junkie, I can not get enough of Nicole Wallace and John Heilemann. They are the best at what they do. Superb!

Nov 5th
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Gela Turabelidze

Thank you for the episode. Being born and living outside the United States, I am closely following the situation with racial injustice in your country. I am very much convinced that movements like Black Lives Matter and their worldwide support will make a big change for the generations to come. Looking forward to your new episodes!

Sep 10th
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Marsha Folsom

Congratulations, John! Another great project, and basketball icon, Marques Johnson as your first guest...first show sets the stage for all the rest. Can't wait for more!

Sep 9th
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