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Author: Heath Shearon

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Welcome to Insurance Town! Your host is the Mayor of Insurance Town, Heath Shearon. After many years in different parts of the insurance world, Heath wants to share his experience with you. Join in on conversations with Heath and many of the friends he's made along the way.

Insurance Town is a production of Insurance Town LLC! Find more info at http/://www.Insurancetownpodcast.com
Music: "Mornin, Noon, and Nite" by Daddy Long Legs
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You know that room in grandmas house that was that room that you didn’t sit in the furniture, you didnt touch anything? It was just pretty and you gotten threatened every time you went into that room?In this weeks episode, Monica Adwani, CPIA and I talk about that, and tie it into something that makes us cringe in the insurance industry. She also shares her extensive journey through the insurance industry, her insights on client communication, the importance of relationship-building, and how leveraging data and technology can transform agency operations. Discover practical tips on serving diverse communities, embracing AI, and enhancing efficiency to grow your insurance business.We discuss role of client education in building long-term trust. Monica breaks down how taking the time to truly educate clients not only strengthens retention, but positions you as a true advisor, not just a policy seller.And of course, we laugh a lot , we talk about our teenagers , life , Karate, and all kinds of other random topics too!!00:00 Reunion and Reflections03:01 Monica's Journey in Insurance06:01 Understanding the Carrier Perspective08:59 The Importance of Insurance Education12:08 Cultural Sensitivity in Insurance14:58 Effective Communication Strategies18:03 Adapting to Generational Differences18:37 Generational Communication Shifts21:49 Building Trust in Client Relationships24:38 The Role of Agents in a Digital Age27:50 Operational Efficiency in Agencies31:41 Time as the New Currency35:00 Leveraging AI for Better Decision MakingJump in and check it out Sponsored by:Canopy Connect Mav Goli Nutrition
In this episode, Lamar Garrett from Redbird Security delves into the critical importance of agency-specific cybersecurity tailored for insurance businesses. He discusses how proactive hardware and software maintenance can significantly reduce downtime, while the integration of AI streamlines operations and enhances security protocols. Lamar highlights the differences between general IT providers and insurance-specific MSPs, emphasizing the need for compliance with state and federal data regulations. He also shares best practices for integrating new technology, managing shiny objects, and preventing breaches through layered security and cyber awareness training. Additionally, Lamar addresses the impact of legacy hardware on security vulnerabilities and the importance of building strong relationships and trust within the insurance industry, along with strategies to improve communication about cybersecurity to agency owners.Lamar emphasizes that tailored cybersecurity, proactive hardware management, and clear communication are crucial for insurance agencies to protect their data and scale efficiently. His insights highlight that investing in industry-specific IT solutions is not just smart but necessary in today’s digital landscape.Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction to Lamar Garrett and Redbird Security06:25 - The importance of insurance-specific IT solutions08:41 - How cybersecurity breaches impact large organizations and why agencies are at risk12:48 - Common misconceptions about insurance cybersecurity needs16:41 - Optimizing agency tech stacks for efficiency and compliance24:23 - Response times and minimizing downtime for agency management systems28:40 - How AI is transforming insurance IT security and operations32:38 - The hidden costs of aging hardware and legacy systems37:40 - Final thoughts on securing agency data and building industry trustResources & Links:Redbird SecurityRedbird Security on LinkedInApplied Epic MSP PartnershipMicrosoft CopilotEZLinks SoftwareCybersecurity Awareness CartoonsBook: "The Art of Cybersecurity" by David S. TanenbaumConnect with Lamar Garrett:LinkedIn - Lamar GarrettRedbird SecuritySponsors:MavCanopy ConnectGOLI
It's another episiode of Insurance town from the Lazy river!! With Ben Morrow, Brenden Corr, Marques Ogden, Jessica, Casey Nelson, Caleb Cramer, etc. Its FunSponsorsCanopy Connect MAVGoli= Go.Goli.com/Mayor
In this episode of Insurance Town, the Mayor sits down with his good friend, Emily Merola. Emily Merola is an executive presence expert, speaker, and founder of The Blazer Society who helps leaders go from overlooked to unmistakable. Through her work in Image + Impact and identity-first leadership, Emily equips leaders to bridge the gap between who they are and how they lead so they communicate with clarity, step into alignment, and own every room they enter. With more than 20 years of executive leadership experience and as a Maxwell Leadership Certified Speaker, Trainer, and Coach, Emily has influenced over 10,000 professionals worldwide through keynotes, retreats, and global leadership forums. She is trusted by organizations and event leaders to open and close high-stakes conversations, and is known for delivering high-energy, high-impact experiences that blend strategic insight with powerful personal transformation. She joins us to day and shares her inspiring journey from the early days of her insurance career to becoming a trusted leader and coach. We explore the importance of authenticity, self-awareness, and faith in building genuine relationships and impactful careers.In this episode:Emily's beginnings in New York City insurance and her rapid rise through different sectorsThe power of self-awareness in discovering your strength zoneHow authenticity and vulnerability foster real relationshipsNavigating confidence challenges and stage frightThe role of faith and core values in decision-makingBuilding a leadership brand that empowers women through The Blazer SocietyThe significance of having a coach and mentors (including John Maxwell) for growthStrategies for overcoming feeling overlooked or stuck in your careerHow inner work and community create resilience in uncertain marketsTimestamps: 00:00 - Welcome and introduction to Emily Morolla 02:08 - Emily’s professional background and journey into insurance 04:33 - Early lessons from the insurance industry and career milestones  10:31 - The through line: Trust and relationship-building in insurance 12:20 - Balancing confidence, vulnerability, and industry norms 16:46 - Seasons in career and embracing change 122:28 - Faith as a guiding force in personal and professional life 25:33 - Authentic relationships and maintaining consistency 28:46 - Introducing The Blazer Society and empowering women leaders The motivation behind creating a space for growth and impact 33:21 - The power of personalized branding and leadership identity 36:57 - Overcoming stage fright and building presentation confidence  Resilience, storytelling, and embracing vulnerability 43:20 - Practical steps for those feeling stuck or overlooked and importance of coaching, environment, and community 45:32 - Final reflections and gratitude for genuine connectionResources & Links:The Blazer SocietyContact Emily ISC Group - Women Leaders in InsuranceSponsors of todays show Goli Nutrition Canopy Connect MAV
The Future of AI in Marketing & Insurance: Insights with Cameron LaboudiIn this week's episode, the Mayor Heath Shearon sits down with Cameron LiButti of BidView Marketing. These two dive into the transformative power of artificial intelligence in reshaping marketing strategies and customer engagement, particularly within the insurance industry. They explore practical advice and emerging trends, offering listeners insights on how to adapt and thrive in this rapidly evolving landscape. Explore how artificial intelligence is transforming marketing strategies, SEO, and customer engagement, especially within the insurance industry. Cameron Libutti shares practical advice, emerging trends, and how professionals can adapt to this rapidly evolving landscape.Key TopicsThe evolving role of AI commercials in Super Bowl marketing and industry impactsHow AI platforms like ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini are changing search behaviorsThe importance of local community positioning over broad claimsDifferentiating your business through brand imagery and reviewsThe shift from traditional SEO to AI-focused citations and content strategiesTactical tips for small agencies on landing pages and content structureHow interest graph algorithms influence short-form and long-form contentThe emerging concept of GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) and AI rankingsPractical steps for professionals to optimize their presence in AI-driven searchesThe power of AI in rapid prototyping and business data intelligenceTimestamps00:00 - Welcome and episode overview: AI's impact on marketing and insurance 07:11 - Cameron’s journey from engineering to marketing and digital strategy 12:22 - The importance of local community positioning in professional services 14:36 - Creative outreach ideas: giving away cookies to nurture leads 17:13 - How to position yourself as the best in your local market 18:04 - Using imagery and reviews to build trust and credibility 21:24 - The relevance of SEO in an AI-powered search landscape 22:51 - The disruptive influence of generative AI like ChatGPT on traditional search 26:11 - Tracking AI-driven leads and measuring success 28:22 - How local agencies can succeed with traditional SEO 35:41 - Navigating social media algorithms: long vs. short-form content 39:20 - Introduction to GEO: Generative AI engine optimization 40:11 - Understanding AI rankings and data personalization 42:31 - Practical steps for agencies to improve AI visibility  44:45 - Citation strategies across platforms and directories  48:25 - Cameron’s AI soapbox: Power, capability, and rapid development in AI tools  53:11 - Closing remarks and contact info for Cameron LibuttiSponsors:Smart Choice Agency NetworkCanopy ConnectMAVConnect with Cameron LibuttiLinkedInTwitterEmail
This week in Insurance town the Mayor sits down with  Sarah Koolhof, a dynamic insurance professional whose journey spans theater, rugby, and underwriting. Discover how embracing discomfort and versatility has shaped her career and passion for relationship-driven insurance work. She has been with Commonwealth Undewriters for a dozen years and not going anywhere any time soon, She loves her team and her clients. I loved this conversation and I think you will too.In this episode:Sarah's unexpected transition from theater major to insurance underwriterHow rugby taught her resilience and the value of teamworkThe importance of building trust in E&S and surplus lines marketsNavigating industry changes over 12 years, especially in ENSStrategies for agency and carrier partnerships rooted in responsivenessInsights on managing industry burnout and maintaining mental healthPractical tips for agents choosing E&S brokers and understanding underwriting authorityThe culture of collaboration and relationship building at Commonwealth UnderwritersTimestamps:00:00 - Welcome and episode overview00:30 - Sarah's background: from theater to insurance02:00 - The role of rugby in building resilience and confidence04:30 - How her diverse experiences shape her industry perspective08:00 - Navigating industry changes and the evolution of E&S markets12:00 - Building trust in surplus lines and the importance of partnerships16:00 - Commonwealth Underwriters: location, services, and company culture20:00 - Response times, setting expectations, and fostering client relationships24:00 - Managing industry burnout and mental health awareness28:00 - Tips for agents on selecting E&S brokers and understanding underwriting terms33:00 - Partnering in the insurance ecosystem and the value of relationships36:00 - Final thoughts: embracing versatility, teamwork, and continuous learningResources & Links:Commonwealth UnderwritersSarah Kulhoff - LinkedInCanopy ConnectMAV Insurance PlatformConnect with Sarah:LinkedInEmail
The Lazy River Files!

The Lazy River Files!

2026-02-0619:12

In this episode, we are doing something a little different. Casey Nelson and I hosted an open call live one day and we called it the lazy river. WE wanted to invite people to "float in and hang out ad float out. Ive provided a few clips here for you guys to check out. WE will release the whole 2 hours some day soon... but for now this clip is about authentic leadership, engaging communication, and innovative work practices that can transform organizations. Whether you're speaking on stage, building relationships, or managing teams remotely, these insights provide practical strategies to lead with confidence.You'll hear familier voices ; Casey NelsonCaleb CramerCiara GravierJessica HolderBen MorrowRyan HanleyKey Topics:The importance of genuine interactions and how authenticity impacts leadership credibilityStrategies for modularizing content to adapt in dynamic speaking environmentsMemorable name drop stories and their impact on personal brandingTips for effective networking at high-profile events like Bill Gates's houseHow to test and engage audiences during keynote speechesThe role of diversity and gender dynamics in leadership credibilityFuture workplace trends: remote work, flexibility, and the four-day workweekLeveraging your unique strengths and circumstances to attract and retain talentPractical tips for transitioning from traditional to hybrid or virtual formatsTimestamps:00:00 - The value of authentic interactions and sharing personal stories02:24 - Memorable name drops and their role in networking04:41 - Insights from high-profile meet-and-greets and leadership impressions06:03 - Authenticity as a female CEO and gender dynamics in leadership08:28 - The power of candid panel discussions and last-minute updates09:28 - Modularizing content for impactful speaking engagements11:20 - Testing audience engagement in real-time during speeches12:50 - Perspectives on remote work, office culture, and flexibility14:45 - The future of work: four-day weeks and employee well-being16:20 - Strategies for small businesses to compete with large organizations17:13 - Wrapping up with humor and connecting through genuine communicationSPONSORS:Smart ChoiceCanopy ConnectMAV
AI in your business!!

AI in your business!!

2026-01-3031:00

In this weeks episode,  release my virtual course in Bob Dietrich and Pamela Dunn's virtual program called "Unlease AI in your Business" that released this week. Hope you enjoy it. Let me know what you think... Sponsored by:Smart ChoiceCanopy ConnectMAV
In this week episode, Heath Shearon and Casey Nelson discuss the importance of standardizing processes in agencies, the impact of AI on business, and the potential societal reset from reducing screen time. They explore the challenges of implementing consistent procedures, the role of AI in modern companies, and the cultural shift towards more face-to-face interactions. The conversation also touches on the hypothetical scenario of shutting down the internet for six months and its potential effects on society. Additionally, they delve into personal anecdotes, the significance of setting goals, and the evolving landscape of the insurance industry.TakeawaysStandardizing processes is crucial for agency efficiency.AI is transforming business operations significantly.Reducing screen time could lead to a societal reset.Consistent procedures help in minimizing wasteful practices.Face-to-face interactions are becoming more valued.The internet shutdown could have profound societal effects.Agencies should focus on their most profitable clients.Building processes should involve employee input.AI tools can be both time-saving and time-consuming.Cultural shifts are moving towards more personal interactions.Setting personal goals can drive professional growth.Understanding industry trends is key to staying competitive.Chapters00:00:00 Introduction and Technical Issues00:01:00 Standardizing Processes in Agencies00:01:55 AI's Impact on Business00:15:55 Cultural Shifts and Screen Time00:20:19 Hypothetical Internet Shutdown00:25:00 Personal Goals and Anecdotes00:30:00 Insurance Industry TrendsSponsors:Smart ChoiceCanopy ConnectMAV
This week in Insurance Town I get to catch up with my old friend, and former colleague, Therese Potter of Envela. We have a fun conversation we get to catch up on what she has been up to all the hats she currently wears, from teaching Tai Chi to selling Insurance and everything in between, and she is able to do all that, because of the culture and technology over at Envela. Check it out, and let me know what ya think...Sponsors:Smart Choice-Go to Smartchoiceagents.com Canopy Connect- Usecanopy.com/heathMAV- Hiremav.comThank you for being a wonderful and loyal citizen of Insurance Town! I love you all! from the bottom of my heart I truly do, and I appreciate your support all these years!! 
In this episode of the Insurance Town Podcast, I sit down with Clint Houke for a wide ranging, high trust conversation to kick off the new year the right way. This is one of those talks that feels like two industry vets standing at the whiteboard, talking honestly about what is working, what is changing, and where the real opportunities are.Clint and I dig into the trends he is seeing across the insurance landscape, especially around MGAs and why they continue to play such a critical role in today’s market. We talk about speed, specialization, and why MGAs are not just filling gaps, but actively shaping the future of distribution.From there,  how agencies, MGAs, and carriers can think about AI as a tool to enhance relationships, not replace them. The conversation then turns to Clint’s newest chapter and his work with FAIR. We talk about what FAIR is building, why it matters, and how it is creating real opportunity in the insurance space. This is not just another product. It is a business model that opens up meaningful new revenue streams while staying aligned with transparency and customer experience.What stood out most in this conversation is Clint’s perspective on timing. The industry is changing fast, but the fundamentals still matter. Relationships. Trust. Doing right by the client. FAIR feels like one of those companies that understands both sides of that equation.If you are an agency owner, producer, MGA leader, or anyone looking to add smart, sustainable growth to your business, this episode is worth your time.Pull up a chair, grab a cup of coffee, and join us in Insurance Town for a conversation about trends, technology, and finding opportunity in a changing market.Welcome back to town.Sponsors:Smart Choice- the Fastest growing agency Network hands downMAV- Ditch the Call center and Hire Mav the AI solution to engaging your clients Canopy Connect - The One Click Solution to getting dec pages you need to quote your clients. 
HAPPY NEW YEAR!! Thank you so much for yet another amazing year in Insurance Town!! This weeks episode is a little different, No Guest. This week i am releasing one of my keynote presentations from a conference I spoke at this year, IIANC, thank you to my friend AUBE KNIGHT and his amazing staff in North Carolina for hosting me and helping me to learn and grow in a big way!! THAT CONFERENCE HAD a major impact on my life personally and Professionally!! This is my keynote, OUT OF SERVICE, I hope you enjoy! SponsorsSmart ChoiceCanopy Connect MAV
In this episode of Insurance Town, the Mayor sits down with Brian Ahearn to unpack the difference between social media influence and true leadership influence, while also sharing a meaningful conversation around faith, family, and the responsibility that comes with leading well. Brian reflects on how becoming a grandfather has reshaped how he thinks about legacy, humility, and the kind of influence that truly matters, both at home and in leadership.The conversation also dives into Brian’s new book, Influenced From Above, a business parable that blends leadership principles with faith driven purpose. Together, Brian and the Mayor discuss what it means to be influenced from above in their own lives, leading with empathy, serving others, and aligning values with action. The takeaway is clear: real influence is not about getting people to say yes, but about building trust, relationships, and a legacy that lasts.Key TakeawaysWhy social media influence is not the same as true leadershipHow faith and family shape the way leaders influence othersLessons from Influenced From Above on humility and serviceWhy empathy and trust are the foundation of lasting leadershipSponsorsSmart Choice – The fastest growing agency network hand down, no fees, higher commissions, lower premium thredhholdCanopy Connect – A one click solution to getting dec pages to quote your prospect and now they have intake platofrmMAV – Ditch the call center and hire MAV, the AI powered text messaging agent to qualify, quote& connect your prospects to your producers
In this episode of Insurance Town, host Heath Shearon welcomes Van Carlson to discuss the evolution of risk management and the importance of self-insuring for businesses. They explore the 831B tax code, its history, and its application in modern business risk management. Van shares insights from his career in the insurance industry, highlighting the challenges and opportunities in self-insuring and the role of traditional insurance. The conversation also touches on the impact of economic downturns and the need for innovative risk management solutions.TakeawaysVan Carlson emphasizes the importance of self-insuring for businesses.The 831B tax code offers a way to manage business risks effectively.Traditional insurance may not cover all business risks.Economic downturns highlight the need for innovative risk management.Van Carlson shares his journey in the insurance industry.Self-insuring can provide financial stability for businesses.The conversation explores the history and application of the 831B tax code.Van Carlson discusses the challenges of transitioning from traditional insurance.Heath Shearon highlights the role of education in risk management.The episode provides insights into modern business risk management strategies.Sound bites"Self-insuring is the future of business risk management.""The 831B tax code is a game changer.""Traditional insurance doesn't cover all risks.""Economic downturns demand innovative solutions.""Education is key in managing business risks.""Self-insuring provides financial stability.""The 831B code offers unique advantages.""Transitioning from traditional insurance is challenging.""Risk management requires continuous learning.""Modern businesses need modern risk solutions."Chapters00:00:00 Introduction and Sponsorship00:00:00 Van Carlson's Background00:00:00 The 831B Tax Code Explained00:00:00 Challenges in Traditional Insurance00:00:01 Innovative Risk Management Solutions00:00:01 The Future of Business Risk ManagementSponsors:Smart Choice Canopy Connect MAV
In this weeks episode I sit down with Dylan Dimarchi of Eventual to talk about A product that is super cool 
In this engaging conversation, Heath Shearon and Alex Rodov explore the vibrant culture of Toronto, the evolution of technology and quality assurance, and the critical role of testing in the insurance industry. Alex shares his journey from humble beginnings to becoming a leader in the tech space, emphasizing the importance of methodology and the pressures faced in quality assurance. They discuss the challenges of trusting technology, the significance of consumer education, and the future of QA technology, including Alex's new book on testing.TakeawaysGrowing up in Toronto inspired Alex's passion for technology.Quality assurance has evolved significantly over the years.Pressure in QA is a constant, especially in critical industries.Methodology is essential for effective software testing.Consumer education is vital for understanding technology's reliability.The insurance industry heavily relies on quality assurance processes.Alex's book aims to educate consumers about testing.Investing in QA technology is crucial for future advancements.Chapters00:00 Exploring Toronto: A Cultural Hub06:03 The Evolution of Quality Assurance in Tech13:48 The Importance of Methodology in QA22:02 The Role of QA in the Insurance Industry30:12 Investing in the Future of QA TechnologySponsors:Smart Choice- the fastest growing agency network hands down Canopy Connect- your 1 click solution for all things dec pages, intake platforms etc MAV- the AI-powered insurance expert that engages unlimited leads with text messaging 
in this weeks episode I sat down with my good friend Poppy Danker and have a blast talking about this small down agency and how she has just exploded in growth using social media. Yes you heard that right. Its wild to see!! Ive been watching this agency since the beginning from 500 followers to now over 25k followers and viral videos and the whole thing. its so fun. You just gotta hear this one ...sponsored by :Smart Choice Canopy Connect MAV
This week in Insurance Town I sat down with my friend Evan Smith of Mav. We had an incredible conversation about growing your sales with leads and building an inside sales team . We discussed the importance of recognizing that you have to have a vision and a plan before working with leads and not try to scale too quickly We discussed the idea of there is no “bad lead” and what that means. We discover ways to write any lead . The numbers game that is leads and why MAV is THE go to for scaling and growing you business with online leads. Check this one out and hear his three pillars of working with leads successfully. And so much more Sponsors:Smart Choice® the fastest growing agency network hands down and now with 11,000 agencies across the country Canopy Connect -THE one click solution to getting the dec pages you need to quote your prospects and get loss runs and driver lists , and vehicle lists and , and and… check it outActivate to view larger image,
 In this episode of the Insurance Town Podcast, Heath Shearon hosts Christopher Frankland to discuss the intersection of technology and insurance, focusing on AI's impact on the industry. They explore the concept of the 'bionic agent,' the role of AI in transforming insurance processes, and the future of human interaction in a tech-driven world. The conversation also touches on personal anecdotes, the importance of adapting to technological changes, and the potential for AI to enhance customer experiences.Takeaways:AI is transforming the insurance industry by automating processes and enhancing customer experiences.The concept of the 'bionic agent' combines human expertise with AI technology.Adapting to technological changes is crucial for staying relevant in the industry.AI is no longer just a buzzword; it's a fundamental shift in how we work.The insurance industry is fragmented, with varying levels of AI adoption.Human interaction remains essential, even as automation increases.AI can help solve real problems and tackle industry challenges.The future of insurance involves a blend of technology and human touch.AI's role in insurance is evolving, with potential for real-time risk assessment.Education and upskilling are vital for embracing AI in the industry.Sound Bites:AI is transforming insurance.The bionic agent is the future.Adapt to tech changes or fall behind.AI is a fundamental shift.Human interaction is still key.AI solves real industry problems.The future blends tech and human touch.Real-time risk assessment is coming.Education is key for AI adoption.AI is beyond just a buzzword.Chapters:00:00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction00:00:00 AI's Impact on Insurance00:00:01 The Bionic Agent Concept00:00:02 Adapting to Technological Changes00:00:03 Future of Human Interaction in InsuranceSponsors:Smart Choice Agents Program- the fastest growing agency network hands down. Canopy Connect: Your one click solution for getting everything you need to quote your prospects 
This is an episode recorded at the PIA VADC conference in Virginia Beach with my man Byron Roberts.  It is a fast, on-the-ground conversation about how Openly built for independent agents, why speed still matters, and how data is shifting from rearview mirror to windshield. Quick recapOpenly’s origin story is agent-first. Founders Ty Harris and Matt Duffy asked agents what they actually needed, then shipped a three-question quote experience built to find “diamonds in the rough,” not write everything in sight. The company doubled down on listening loops like ACE, its Agency Council of Excellence, to sanity-check product decisions, fix friction fast, and keep writing business during a stubborn hard market. They are rolling into PL Rating in key states to cut keystrokes, and they see the next frontier as forward-looking data that helps carriers price for tomorrow’s weather, not yesterday’s. Key takeawaysBuilt by and for independent agents, not DTC. Choice and counsel are the strategy. Three inputs to quote, then verify details to bind accurately and quickly. Think seconds, not hours. ACE council gives Openly real-time agent feedback and a promise to report back on changes. Smart underwriting beats growth at any cost. Openly tightens or tweaks instead of pulling out. PL Rating integrations are in motion to reduce double entry and speed comparisons. Data is shifting from historical to predictive. Actuaries need “crystal balls,” not just rearview mirrors. Notable quotes“Tell me I can’t, I’ll show you I will.” Byron on persistence. “Three questions, name, date of birth, and address. We can get it.” On the quoting thesis. “We’re staying open for these agencies. We don’t tighten everything down or pull out.” On disciplined appetite. “We used to look at historical data. Now we need crystal balls.” On forward-looking pricing. Sponsor Smart Choice- The fastest growing insurance network, with 10,000 agencies, 11 billion in written premium written its incredibleCanopy Connect- your 1 click solution to getting the deck pages you need to quote your prospects. 
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