Ever applied, interviewed, and…silence? You’re not alone. In this episode, we crack open the hiring black box: the rise of ghost jobs (roles that never close or never existed in the first place), the avalanche of AI-boosted applications, and why 31% of rejected candidates never even get an email. My guest Ariana Moon, VP of Talent Planning & Acquisition at Greenhouse, a software platform managing the hiring process, explains how their Greenhouse Verified badges reward employers who actually walk the talk—communication, fairness, respect, and preparation—so candidates can spot companies that treat people like people.We also get real about what great hiring actually looks like: structured scorecards, clear rubrics, and leaders who blend experience with fresh perspectives. Ariana shares lessons from a very millennial workforce moment (when ~10% of the company went on parental leave at once!) and how Greenhouse supports parents with thoughtful leave, re-entry, and caregiver communities—without letting careers evaporate.Whether you’re job hunting or leading a team, this episode is a playbook for a fair, respectful, and effective process—because employer brand is a long game, and candidates remember how you made them feel.Update: Since this recording, Ariana has given birth to a healthy baby boy! Both mom and baby are doing great.“Greenhouse Verified is a way that we can signal to the talent market that we are a company that prioritizes things like good communication, being prepared in how we run our interview processes, being fair in how we think about our interview processes, and being respectful when we're interacting with candidates. ” ~ Ariana S. MoonIn This Episode:-What are ghost jobs?-Greenhouse Verified initiative-Improving internal processes in the workplace-Experiences with ageism in the workplace-ERGs and supporting parents in the workplaceAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guideConnect with Ariana S. Moon:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariana-s-moon/-Website: https://www.greenhouse.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly -
Marketers love chasing Gen Z. But here’s the trillions-of-dollars blind spot:Gen X and Boomers control nearly 70% of U.S. disposable income and outspend younger generations in nearly every major category — alcohol, beauty, travel, finance, and more.So why are brands still ignoring them?In this episode, I sit down with Brent Rivard, founder and CEO of Geezer Creative, an agency built on a radical idea: the “forgotten generation” isn’t just relevant — they’re the growth engine brands are missing.We unpack how the ad industry’s obsession with youth culture has aged itself out of opportunity, what’s at stake for marketers, and how Gen X and Boomers are reshaping the creative economy.You’ll also hear shocking stats about how the industry treats its veterans, the challenges older professionals face in a rapidly evolving gig economy, and why AI is becoming a make-or-break skill for creative professionals of every generation.Because if brands keep underestimating us, that’s on them. But if we underestimate ourselves? That’s on us.The creative economy is shifting fast — from AI to the rise of the gig economy — and this conversation will give you a fresh (and dare I say slightly rebellious?) perspective on where your experience fits next.“The last thing the world needed was another ad agency, so we opened one. But we didn't just open one–we opened one that has a point of view.” ~ Brent RivardIn This Episode:-Ageism in the advertising industry-Why Gen X consumers are crucial for marketing success-Geezer Creative’s approach to Gen X-centered marketing-The advantage of intergenerational marketing teams-Adapting to the gig economy in the creative space-Shifting client priorities and how agencies can adapt-AI and its impact on the creative industry-Encouraging older professionals to embrace new opportunities-Creative solutions for dealing with layoffs and market shiftsAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide-The Gen X Career Meltdown - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/28/style/gen-x-creative-work.htmlConnect with Brent Rivard and Geezer Creative:-Brent Rivard LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-rivard-7ba8b37/-Geezer Creative LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/geezer-creative/-Website: https://www.geezercreative.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram:
Why is it terrifying to present to just four people? According to Will Greenblatt, it's because our brains still think the tribe might "club us over the head" if they don't like what we say.Will's journey from Canadian child actor (yes, a self-proclaimed "nepo baby") to sought-after corporate speaking coach is anything but typical. After working with Anne Bancroft as a kid and nearly getting swept up in the Hollywood machine, a family tragedy and toxic theater school experience led him to completely reinvent himself.But here's what makes this episode essential listening: Will discovered that the same skills that make great actors also create breakthrough leaders. The difference? It's not about performing—it's about finding emotional truth and connecting authentically with your audience.The game-changing insight: When Will's clients embrace just 10% more vulnerability in meetings, they see measurable career improvements—better performance reviews, more influence, and stronger professional relationships. Because while everyone else is playing it safe, that small dose of authenticity makes you unforgettable.We dive deep into why mentorship is broken in today's workplace, how to spot genuine people in interviews, and Will's three-act framework for storytelling that builds instant trust. Plus, he shares the uncomfortable truth about why taking career risks, like leaving acting or corporate, might be the safest move you can make.“You give somebody the opportunity to destroy you, and you hope that they won't, and they might. But you can't love without that risk. And it's the same kind of thing when you tell your boss what you really think.” ~ Will GreenblattIn This Episode:-The real difference between performing and authentic communication-Why our fear of public speaking is literally prehistoric -The 10% vulnerability rule that transforms careers -How to build trust through authentic storytelling -Will's childhood-to-adult-choice framework for connection -Why the "speaker-writer-coach-creator" career is the future -How to network without being transactional And much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide-Supercharge Your Speaking Skills by Will Greenblatt - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2esQpzqZUUYD8Nxp9lKe05K1aYMpsNwUConnect with Will Greenblatt:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/willgreenblatt/-Website: https://www.skool.com/speakingheroes/aboutConnect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram:
Losing a job is never easy, but what if it led to a more fulfilling path? Daniel Incandela, former CMO, opens up about the painful yet transformative experience of being fired in his 50s. In this episode, he shares the emotional toll it took, how he navigated the challenges, and the powerful lessons he learned along the way. Today, I sit down with my good friend, Daniel Incandela, who, like many of us, faced the harsh reality of burnout and being let go. His story is one of resilience and transformation. Despite the painful blow of being fired, Daniel reflects on how the experience helped him realign his priorities, focusing on family, health, and ultimately finding his path forward through consulting and creative work.We discuss the importance of reflection and accountability, even in the most challenging moments. Daniel’s journey sheds light on how career paths don’t always go as planned, and how the pressure to “do it all” can weigh heavily on us. From navigating ageism in a competitive job market to embracing AI as a necessary tool for today’s workforce, Daniel discusses how he’s finding purpose in his new role and working towards a future that aligns more with his values.If you’ve ever felt like your career took an unexpected turn, this episode is for you. Daniel’s story is a powerful reminder that we can find clarity even in moments of doubt.“I've been on this journey that I think I really needed in life, and it has helped me awaken from things I did not see.” ~ Daniel IncandelaIn This Episode:-Daniel’s transition from CMO to consultant-Embracing change and realizing what really matters-Leadership in the time of AI-The reality of getting fired in your 50s-Experiencing the immense benefits of slowing down-Looking ahead: the future of work in a gig economy-Why learning how to use AI is no longer optionalAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide-The Gen X Career Meltdown - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/28/style/gen-x-creative-work.htmlConnect with Daniel Incandela:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielincandela/-Substack:https://substack.com/@danielincandela-Newsletter by Daniel Incandela - https://danielincandela.substack.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly -
Let’s face it, whether you're looking for a new job, trying to stand out in your current role, or considering a career pivot, building a personality brand is a real game-changer (you read that right. A personality brand, not a personal one). In today’s landscape, you need more than just experience; you need a personality that resonates. In this episode, Danielle Hughes, Chief Personality Officer at More Than Words Marketing, joins me to chat about why creating a personality brand isn’t just about ‘selling’ yourself.Danielle shares tips on how to confidently showcase your authentic self in your professional persona, particularly on platforms like LinkedIn. She emphasizes the importance of not just telling your story but showing it through real examples and personal achievements. Whether you're pivoting careers or leveling up in your current role, branding is more important than ever. Tune in to hear how you can use your personality to stand out in the competitive job market and connect authentically with others.And just in case you're interested in working from beautiful homes all over the world, Danielle shares how she makes it happen.“Why is it a personality brand and not personal? Personal means private, so I never understand why we tell people to have a personal brand. Personality is who we are, and that's how we foster connection...with other people.” ~ Danielle HughesIn This Episode:-Danielle's elevator pitch -Why personality branding is crucial in today’s world-How to connect your career story with your brand-Developing your personality brand on LinkedIn-Advice for people contemplating a career shift or facing layoffs-The need for an optimized LinkedIn profile-How to differentiate yourself in an oversaturated job market-An interesting story about Danielle-Danielle's approach to helping clients craft their personality brand-Final thoughts on using personality branding to stand outAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guide-Swap Homes and Unlock the World - https://www.homeexchange.com/Connect with Danielle Hughes:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniellehughes/-Website: https://www.morethanwordscopy.com/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube:
Is AI living up to the hype, or is it just another overblown bubble that’s gonna pop? In this episode, Stephen Klein, a 66-year-old AI founder who is challenging the status quo in the world of artificial intelligence, joins me to expose what he believes is the truth about AI, from inflated promises to the real potential it holds for augmenting human intelligence. Trust me, this is what you won’t be hearing in the headlines about AI. We jump into the much-hyped world of AI, and Stephen shares his no-holds-barred views on what’s happening (and why speaking out is making him enemies in Silicon Valley). We discuss how many companies are rushing to market with products that aren’t actually as groundbreaking as they claim, and how the industry itself often misleads us about AI’s capabilities for their own benefit, leading with scary headlines about how all of us are being laid off because of AI.Stephen doesn’t just talk about AI; he’s actively shaping its future. But he’s not just creating another automation tool. He’s building AI that truly augments human intelligence, and that’s where it gets interesting.Stephen’s company, Curiouser.AI, is different. It focuses on creating AI that enhances our creativity and critical thinking, things that the industry is currently sidelining in favor of quick fixes and efficiency. He challenges the corporate culture surrounding AI and explains how the industry needs to move away from pure automation and toward true collaboration between humans and machines.We also jump into the wild world of LinkedIn, where Stephen’s satirical posts challenge the hype surrounding AI and expose the industry’s biggest players. If you’ve been confused about what this AI thing is all about or what to do, swept up in the AI frenzy or have doubts about where the industry is headed, this conversation will give you some powerful insights into what’s really going on behind the scenes that you’re unlikely to find in the typical media coverage.If you want to hear more from Stephen, check out his LinkedIn for more satirical insights and join the conversation on the future of AI!“I think that artificial intelligence is the single greatest innovation–invention–in the history of humanity, and I couldn't be more optimistic about where it's going.” ~ Stephen KleinIn This Episode:-An AI founder at 66-Creating AI that augments human intelligence-The misconceptions around ageism in tech-The impact of curiosity-driven AI on human creativity-Why people should be careful when using AI-AI's role in the future of work -How to deal with fear-The future of AI in business and ethics-The power of LinkedIn as a platform for your causeAnd much more!Resources:-Free Guide to LinkedIn Job Hunting for the 40+ Crew - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/job-guideConnect with Stephen Klein:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenbklein/-Website: https://curiouser.ai/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website:
Have you ever felt trapped in a system that’s supposed to empower you but instead chips away at your well-being? In today’s episode, I’m sitting down with Kelly Stonelake, a former Meta executive who’s blowing the whistle on what’s happening behind the scenes at one of the world’s most powerful tech giants. From battling toxic corporate culture to confronting racial issues in virtual spaces, Kelly’s story isn’t just about one woman standing up - it’s about exposing the systemic issues that hold women back in the corporate workplace and getting all of us to fight for a safer, more accountable tech industry. If you’ve ever felt the weight of corporate silence or been pushed to the brink in a system that’s more about profit than people, this conversation serves as an eye-opener.Kelly opens up about her time at Meta and the deeply toxic corporate culture she experienced, which led to her risking it all by taking on the company with a high-profile lawsuit. She reveals her fight to hold Meta accountable for the harm done, particularly to vulnerable users. As a former senior executive, Kelly sheds light on the urgent need for corporate accountability in an environment that prioritizes growth over people’s well-being, and how her treatment after speaking out about racial and cultural issues within Meta eventually led to her whistleblowing.If you're interested in the human side of big tech and how systems of power perpetuate harm, this episode is a must-listen.Tune in to hear Kelly’s remarkable journey and discover how she’s taking a stand for change, even when it comes at great personal cost.Two small corrections from Kelly: "After listening back, two quick clarifications to my comments in the spirit of accuracy. I said it is illegal for companies to collect data on children. Clarification: it's illegal to collect data on children without parental consent. Also, I said I was 21 when I was first sexually assaulted by my boss, but I misspoke. I was 23 years old." “It's a great privilege to be able to tell the truth.” ~ Kelly StonelakeIn This Episode:-The challenges of working with Horizon Worlds-The role of senior leadership in perpetuating corporate culture-The impact of being laid off, especially for neurodivergent individuals-Meta’s disregard for product safety and how that impacts children-Embracing the privilege of being able to tell the truth-Kelly’s reflections on DEI and corporate accountability-The emotional impact of being a whistleblower-Discrimination and ageism in the tech industryAnd much more!Resources:-Stonelake v. Meta - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kellystonelake_stonelake-v-meta-activity-7292542424248135681-wJi_/-The Autistic Burnout Workbook by Dr. Megan Anna Neff - https://www.amazon.com/dp/1507223064Connect with Kelly Stonelake:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellystonelake/-Substack: https://overturned.substack.com/ and https://substack.com/@kellystonelakeConnect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: a...
Let’s get real: hiring today is a mess. I’ve been there both as a candidate and as the interviewer who wasn’t properly trained. So, when I discovered Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates, two women who are revolutionizing the corporate interviewing landscape, I knew we had to have them on the show.In this episode, we dive into the shocking state of interviews today - from the mundane but outdated, biased questions that are still being asked to the absolute trainwreck moments that are happening at the table. Like a hiring manager who thought it was a good idea to ask a candidate to sell a dirty old shoe, sort of a creative take on that age-old sales question, “sell me this pen.” Yeah, you’ll want to hear this story.But it’s not all doom and gloom! Lorna and Victoria share how they transitioned from the corporate world into entrepreneurship, using their combined expertise to help businesses and hiring managers learn how to conduct effective interviews without inadvertently violating the law (yes, asking about holiday plans to try to figure out if a candidate is a parent is illegal). They’ve been able to show incredible results for their clients, underscoring how getting the interview process right brings a massive, lasting impact. They’ve been there, and they’re showing others how to do it right.Of course, we can’t talk about interviewing without touching on ageism, something that has been a problem for both older and younger candidates. We discuss how unconscious bias shows up in interviews and how companies need to adopt a broader perspective. Spoiler alert: it’s not just about hiring people you can grab beers with.And the best part? They share their golden rule of interviewing, and trust me, if companies started following it, it would completely shift the hiring process. It’s about respect, balance, and ensuring you’re bringing in the right person, not just the most convenient one.Listen to the episode and let’s make the hiring process better, together. The future of work depends on it!“If it would be weird if a candidate did it to you, don't do it to them.” ~ Lorna Erickson (The Golden Rule of Interviewing)In This Episode:-Worst interview stories and candidate experiences -Training hiring managers to interview better -How Lorna and Victoria grew their online following-Unconscious bias and ageism during an interview-The golden rule for interviewers and the future of work-Fixing company culture, one hire at a time And much more!Resources:-Expert Interviewers Training Services: https://expert-interviewers.mykajabi.com/training-servicesConnect with Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates:-Website: https://expertinterviewers.com/-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/expertinterviewers/-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@expertinterviewers-Lorna Erickson LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lornaerickson/-Victoria Gates LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vpreston/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: a...
I’m not gonna lie–this episode hit deep. Bradley Richardson and I recorded this one for both our audiences, and it turned into the realest talk I’ve had in a while. We peeled back the polish and got straight into the messy middle of work, life, and what we all do to survive this stage of midlife.If you've ever been laid off, cut off by your work “family,” or fed up with the BS around personal branding, you’re in good company. Bradley and I unpack what really happens behind hiring decisions (spoiler: hard work doesn’t always pay off), how social media is frying our nervous systems, and why entrepreneurship isn't all beach retreats and flowy bathrobes.We also get vulnerable about adult friendships – the kind that fade, the ones that surprise you, and the painful truth that growth sometimes means outgrowing people. Bradley shares a brutally honest moment with his son that I won’t forget, and I talk about finally taking off the mask after decades of trying to do things “right.”So if you’re feeling behind, off-track, or just bone-tired of pretending you’ve got it all figured out, this one's for you. Come hang with us, and let’s say the quiet part out loud.Listen now, and send that text to a friend you miss. If this episode resonates, send it to them too!“I think the greatest cure for loneliness for people in midlife is actually getting out of your comfort zone, as uncomfortable as it is, and making that first move.” ~ Bradley RichardsonIn This Episode:-Why job loyalty is a myth and what really happens behind closed doors-How ageism shows up in hiring and the subtle ways older workers get sidelined-What the future of work actually looks like-Why adult friendships are so hard (and so vital)-How to stop living by someone else’s rulebookAnd much more!Resources:-The Great Man's Lady - a 1941 film starring Barbara Stanwyck. It tells the story of the 100-year-old Hannah recalling her past, allowing for a reflection on the aging process and the accumulation of memories and experiences.Connect with Bradley Richardson:-Website: https://www.imbradleyrichardson.com/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imbradleyrichardson/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Facebook:
What has more to do with longevity: your zip code or your genetic code? The answer might just surprise you. In this episode, I’m thrilled to have Dr. Debra Whitman, Chief Public Policy Officer at AARP and author of “The Second Fifty: Answers to the 7 Big Questions of Midlife and Beyond” join me to discuss the changing narrative of aging. Deb’s journey into this field began at a young age; growing up living with her grandmother, who had schizophrenia, shaped her deep passion for improving the lives of older adults.Her book, “The Second Fifty,” is a profound exploration of the reality of aging in America, highlighting the disparities in life expectancy, healthcare, and the retirement crisis many face, while also offering actionable steps for improving how we live, work, and age. From the big questions in our second half of life to the importance of intergenerational teams, this conversation will change the way you think about aging and help you embrace it with purpose and intention. This episode is a call to action to adopt a more positive view of aging and to build systems that support healthy, vibrant aging for everyone - not just a select few.Instead of dreading birthdays, why not embrace them with gratitude and start planning your next big adventure? Who knows - your second 50 might just be your best 50!Listen now to hear Deb’s inspiring insights, learn about AARP’s important work on behalf of older adults, and hear how we can shift the mentality around aging in our society.“If you think more positively about your future, then that's the best health behavior you can have.” ~ Dr. Debra WhitmanIn This Episode:-The need for authenticity in aging and why it’s time to embrace The Second 50-How positive aging and mindset shifts can add years to your life-Why multigenerational teams are essential for business success-How older workers are critical for driving economic growth and innovationAnd much more!Resources:-The Second 50 by Dr. Debra Whitman: https://www.aarp.org/entertainment/books/bookstore/money-work-retirement/info-2023/the-second-fifty.htmlConnect with Dr. Debra Whitman:-Website: https://www.aarp.org/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-whitman/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - a...
What happens when the most brutal battle of your life changes how you approach everything? Cancer sucks. It rips apart someone’s life. So, can you believe someone “gamified cancer” to make sure she still got the most out of life during her fight? Yup, that would be my friend, Loren. In this episode, I’m joined by executive career strategist Loren Greiff, the driving force behind helping job seekers over age 40 land their ideal roles. Her story is nothing short of inspiring - she’s not only a career coach but also a survivor of advanced-stage cancer, and she brings her incredible resilience to her work helping others get back to work. Loren helps job seekers reinvent themselves, cultivate the optimal mindset, and get intentional during job transitions. She’s all about reframing difficult situations and turning challenges into opportunities (see earlier point about “gamifying cancer”).Loren’s story is a reminder that age should never be seen as a negative. She helps her clients go beyond viewing their years of experience as a liability and instead shift their focus forward to what they can deliver in the future. Her work highlights the shifting narrative around ageism in the workforce, particularly for those over 40, and demonstrates how anyone can continue to reinvent their career and make meaningful contributions. Loren’s infectious energy and drive have helped many of her clients secure roles that truly align with their passions.Tune in to hear Loren’s inspiring story and game-changing career strategies. If you’re ready to reinvent your career, this episode is a must-listen!“You don’t have to have cancer in order to gamify tough things in your life.” ~ Loren GreiffIn This Episode:-Gamifying tough situations-Finding success in navigating career transitions-How Portfolio Rocket can help you land your dream job-Tips for effective networking, overcoming doubts, and embracing uncertaintyAnd much more!Resources:-Doubt is Death. My 3 Secrets To Certainty In Your Search | Loren Greiff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1kv2x6s9uwConnect with Loren Greiff:-Website: https://www.portfoliorocket.com/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lorengreiff/-Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/career-blast-in-a-half/id1670977528Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: a...
We’re done just talking about ageism. In this episode, we show you how to do something about it.Janine Vanderburg is the powerhouse behind Changing the Narrative and CEO of Encore Roadmap. She joins me to talk about how she and a coalition of advocates helped pass the groundbreaking Job Application Fairness Act in Colorado - legislation that bans asking for graduation dates or age identifiers in job applications. It’s a big win for both older and younger workers - and a roadmap for change in other states.Just in time for Intergenerational Week and Older Americans Month, this is a must-listen if you’ve ever felt invisible in the job market or want to turn your frustration into progress.From the importance of intergenerational teams in the workplace to the business case for older workers, Janine provides practical advice for both job seekers and employers.What you’ll get from this episode:✅ How the Job Application Fairness Act is changing the game for job seekers in Colorado✅ Why intergenerational teams are essential for business success✅ Stories of how ageism impacts real people in the workforce✅ Janine’s journey from consultant to anti-ageism advocate and how you can get involvedTune in to hear Janine’s incredible journey and learn how we can all be part of the solution. Let’s go!“My mantra personally is: It’s not too late—dreams don't have an expiration date.” ~ Janine VanderburgIn This Episode:-How Colorado became the first state to ban age-based application screening-Why this law helps both Gen Z and older generations-How to tell your story without risking your career-Why intergenerational teams drive business success - and how to make the business case-How you can bring this law to your own state (yes, there’s a toolkit!)And much more!Resources:-Colorado's Job Application Fairness Act: Advancing Age Inclusion in Hiring by Janine Vanderburg: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/colorados-job-application-fairness-act-advancing-age-vanderburg-hvmwc/-AARP Research on Age Discrimination: https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-2025/older-workers-fear-age-discrimination.html-Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wiser-than-me-with-julia-louis-dreyfus/id1678559416Connect with Janine Vanderburg:-Website: https://encoreroadmap.com/ and https://changingthenarrativeco.org/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janinevanderburg/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: a...
If you’ve ever been blindsided by a layoff, wrestled with feeling “too old” for the job search, or wondered if your career peak is behind you, this episode is for you. In this deeply honest and refreshingly human episode, I speak with Nick Passarelli, a fintech exec and former HR leader whose early career taught him the hard truth: corporate loyalty doesn’t always pay off. From leading mass layoffs at just 24 years old to witnessing longtime employees get pushed out with nowhere to go, Nick saw firsthand how brutal and impersonal the system can be. Those early experiences shaped his lifelong commitment to advocating against ageism and helping older professionals navigate a work world that’s not exactly rooting for them.We talk layoffs, job searches after 50, ageism’s impact on women, and why “Jenga families” are more common than you think. Nick brings honesty, humility, and plenty of practical advice (and memes–yes, really) to a conversation every mid-career professional needs to hear.Nick's story is a powerful reminder that reinvention is possible and that empathy, preparation, and a little humor can go a long way.“Never add your work friends onto your socials because they could totally use that against you. I learned this through a friend at my old company, and I thought it was brilliant.” ~ Nick PassarelliIn This Episode:-Nick’s diverse career path, from HR to fintech-Mass layoffs during Y2K and the emotional toll-First encounter with ageism, layoffs for long-tenured workers-Transitioning from HR to compliance, adapting career focus-What it's like for a young recruiter to interview older candidates-Maximizing “prime earning years” (35-55) and balancing expenses-“Jenga families” and the financial risks of not planning for job transitions-The personal impact of job loss in your 50s-How women can set themselves up for success-Networking, upskilling, and staying positive in a job search-Keeping the fun and laughter despite your corporate situationAnd much more!Resources:-Ross Pomerantz aka Corporate Bro: https://www.instagram.com/corporate.bro/-Corporate Natalie: https://www.instagram.com/corporatenatalie/-Ben Sweeny: https://www.instagram.com/corporate.sween/-Jamie Jackson: https://www.instagram.com/humorous_resources/-LinkedIn Learning (Free and paid courses to enhance skills): https://www.linkedin.com/learning/-SHRM (Society for Human Resource Management) Certifications: https://www.shrm.org/mena/credentials/certificationConnect with Nick Passarelli:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-passarelli-9777454/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough -
We’ve all had those painfully awkward moments–those cringey, uncomfortable feelings—the ones that make you want to disappear into the floor. But what if awkwardness wasn’t something to escape, but something to embrace? Today, I sit down with workplace performance expert Henna Pryor to unpack why discomfort is actually a good thing.Henna shares her personal journey from feeling like an outsider as a child of immigrants to discovering how awkwardness can be a growth accelerator. She also reveals surprising research on why confident people don’t avoid awkward moments—they just recover faster. Plus, we dig into how social skills are eroding in the workplace, why millennials report the most superficial relationships at work, and how different generations handle awkwardness.If you’ve ever second-guessed yourself before speaking up in a meeting, hesitated before trying something new, or let fear of embarrassment hold you back, this episode will change the way you think about discomfort.If this episode gave you the push to stop overthinking and embrace the cringe, share it with a friend! And if you really loved it, we’d be forever grateful if you left us a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show (and helps us keep embracing our awkward too).“In our 20s and 30s, we care a lot about what people think of us. In our 40s and 50s, we stop caring what other people think of us. But in our 60s and 70s, we realize they were never thinking about us in the first place, and that knowledge is so freeing.” ~ Henna PryorIn This Episode:-Why awkwardness isn’t a curse but a superpower-Henna’s childhood struggles with feeling different-How age shifts our self-consciousness (and makes us care less)-The workplace “social muscle” problem across generations-Remote work + tech = weaker social skills (and it shows)-86% of workers would rather work alone—yikes-Small steps to build social confidence without freaking out-Using humor to recover from awkward moments-Risk-taking at work: when to go for it and when to hold back-The “Cringe Chasm”—choosing between comfort and growth-The worst-case scenario exercise that flips fear on its headAnd much more!Resources:-Book: Good Awkward by Henna Pryor: https://pryoritygroup.com/book/-The Social Muscle Study: Download the full report at https://pryoritygroup.com/study/-Henna’s TEDx Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/henna_pryor_want_to_get_ahead_at_work_risk_the_awkward_momentsConnect with Henna Pryor:-Website: https://pryoritygroup.com/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hennapryor/Connect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com -
Did you know that the average age for a first Botox injection is reportedly now just 26? Wild, right? That’s just one sign of how deeply ageism is woven into our lives - whether it’s in the workplace, healthcare, or even just the way we see ourselves.So, today I am chatting with Dr. Stacey Gordon, a senior fellow at NYU’s Center for Health and Aging Innovation, and Aubrey Hirsch, an author and illustrator, about their incredible public art installation in New York City, “What About Age?” This 13-panel exhibit at NYU’s Kimmel Windows puts ageism on full display - literally.We dive into why they created this project, what it was like watching college students actually stop and think about aging, and how they turned big, complex issues into eye-catching, can’t-ignore-it street art.The response has been HUGE - from people stopping and taking photos, to my LinkedIn post about it that went viral (yes, really - 2.4 million views!). Stacey and Aubrey also unpack how ageism impacts women, how it’s weirdly still okay to make ageist jokes, and why younger people need to care about this too. Tune in and let’s talk about why ending ageism isn’t just important - it’s long overdue! And if you’re in New York before March 18th, don’t miss the exhibit!“Ageism is not just ageism. It's part of a larger social structure that comprises laws, policies, macro-level issues, and communal institutions like healthcare and the workplace.” ~Dr. Stacey GordonIn This Episode:-How the “What About Age?” exhibit is challenging ageism -Why age discrimination is often overlooked, and how it affects everyone-The unexpected response to the “What About Age?" exhibit-How women face age-related biases-Age stereotypes across industries and demographics-Practical steps we can take to challenge stereotypesAnd much more!Link to an article about the NYU Art Exhibit: https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2024/september/nyu-s-kimmel-windows-presents--what-about-age---oct--1-march-18-.htmlConnect with Dr. Stacey Gordon:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceygordonempa -The Wrinkle Project: https://www.wrinkleproject.org/Connect with Aubrey Hirsch:-Website: https://aubreyhirsch.com/-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aubreyhirsch/ -Substack: https://aubreyhirsch.substack.comConnect with Maureen Clough:-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Instagram: a...
How does a Silicon Valley techie end up transforming one of the largest nonprofits in the U.S.? Well, Naj Uddin, Chief Information Officer at AARP, joins us to share his journey from tech startups to spearheading innovation at AARP. Naj shares how AARP is doing things differently - think success coaching, mentorship programs, and hiring practices that prioritize meaningful work and support for employees at every career stage. Plus, he shares heartwarming stories of growth, like an executive assistant who leveled up into a tech role and an intern who turned mentor.And because no conversation today is complete without a mention of AI, Naj gives practical advice on how to harness AI (hello, prompt engineering!) to tailor resumes, boost skills, and stand out in today’s job market. But wait, there’s more! Naj gives the roadmap on how companies can thrive with a multigenerational workforce, from flexible work setups to creating inclusive environments. Whether you're leading a multigenerational team, navigating a career pivot, or just curious about how AARP is leading the charge, this episode* is packed with insights you don’t want to miss. So, let’s roll!“Give people meaningful work, give them support, hold them to high expectations, be clear about what they're doing, and people thrive. But, that's not something that happens automatically—you have to be deliberate about it as a manager.” ~Naj UddinIn This Episode:- Naj’s journey from Silicon Valley to leading innovation at AARP- How AARP is empowering over 100 million Americans to thrive - AARP’s strategies for creating an intergenerational workforce- How to use AI tools to boost your job prospects- The practices that make AARP a supportive and innovative workplace- How companies can replicate AARP’s successAnd much more!Learn More About AARP’s Employer Pledge Program:-https://www.aarp.org/work/employer-pledge-companies/ Connect with Naj Uddin:-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/najeebuddinConnect with Maureen Clough:-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough*PS. AARP sponsored this episode of It Gets Late Early as a part of our live event package.
Ever looked back on a missed opportunity and thought, Ugh, what if? Well, you’re not alone—and that feeling of regret might actually be one of the best tools for growth. I had the privilege of chatting with New York Times bestselling author Daniel Pink about his book The Power of Regret—the book that gave me the final push to launch this very podcast!Dan breaks down why regret gets a bad rap in our culture of toxic positivity and how it can actually help us make smarter choices. He conducted a massive study (we’re talking 26,000+ regrets from people in 130 countries!) and uncovered four core types of regret that shape our lives. We got personal, talking about boldness regrets (yep, like not shooting your shot), connection regrets, and even my own struggles with juggling career, parenting, and ADHD. Spoiler: being kind to yourself is key.Instead of fearing regret, Dan suggests we flip the script—treat it as a guide, not a life sentence. Because in the end, regret isn’t about what we did. It’s about what we didn’t do. So, if you’re stuck in what could have been mode, this episode will help you leap forward. Tune in now!“Regret clarifies what we value and instructs us on how to live.” -Daniel PinkIn This Episode:-Daniel’s research findings on regret from 26,000 participants-The four core types of regret-Why people regret more about playing it safe than taking risks-How regret can be a powerful tool for growth-The importance of self-compassion in overcoming regret-Career regrets in the workplace and why bold moves matter-How anticipating regret can lead to smarter decisions-Why the idea of “no regrets” is misleading-Practical steps to turn regret into opportunityAnd much more!Connect with Daniel Pink:-LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielpink/ -Website: https://www.danpink.com/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielpink -Daniel’s Book, The Power of Regret: https://amzn.to/33G8WF8Connect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/
In this last episode of the year, I reflect on what I’ve learned in 1.5 years of podcasting about ageism in the workplace. Spoiler alert: it’s a big deal for all of us, whether you’re fresh out of school or deep into your career, so let’s roll!Did you know having a positive mindset about aging can add 7.5 years to your life? That’s more than quitting smoking or exercising! Mind-blowing, right? But thanks to the media and the beauty industry, stereotypes about aging make it harder for everyone to feel good about getting older.Surveys from Resume Now and AARP show that up to 90% of workers face age discrimination. And it’s not just older folks—“reverse ageism” hits younger workers too. Meanwhile, multigenerational workplaces aren’t just nice to have; they’re productivity powerhouses, boosting team performance by 20%.The financial hit? Brace yourself—ageism costs the U.S. economy $850 billion a year! On top of that, issues like menopause in the workplace are costing companies millions in lost productivity. But there’s reason to hope! Listeners have shared some inspiring success stories about landing jobs through their networks. Plus, collective action is making waves—like holding companies accountable for ageist practices (looking at you, Indeed). Change is happening, folks, and I’m here for it.So buckle up - this episode is going to change the way you think and get you geared up and revved up for what’s next!Join the Event with AARP on December 9, 2024:-Send an email to hello@itgetslateearly.com to reserve your seat.Sign up for One-on-One Coaching:-Send an email to hello@itgetslateearly.com or a message at https://www.itgetslateearly.com/collaborate. Maureen LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/Resources Mentioned in the Episode:-Generations Report by Protiviti and Dr. Daniel Jolles - https://www.protiviti.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/lse-generations-survey-report.pdf -EEOC Report On Diversity In The Tech Workforce - https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/high-tech-low-inclusion-diversity-high-tech-workforce-and-sector-2014-2022 -Women in Leadership Face Ageism at Every Age - https://hbr.org/2023/06/women-in-leadership-face-ageism-at-every-age -McKinsey & Company’s Report On Women In The Workplace - https://www.flipsnack.com/78C9ACFF8D6/women-in-the-workplace-2024/full-view.html -Resume Now Survey on Ageism -
Ever feel like you're trying to navigate a corporate obstacle course while juggling flaming torches and keeping your cool? Like you're supposed to be "authentic" but also "professional," vulnerable but not too vulnerable? Well, today we're diving into the workplace circus with Hanan Harb Sahourieh, the brilliant mind behind Everybody Be Cool - a book that's basically your survival guide to the modern workplace.Here's what's fascinating about Hanan: after getting laid off (yeah, we've all been there or feared being there), instead of diving into the usual "how to climb the corporate ladder" stuff, she wrote the book she wished she'd had - one for the regular folks trying to figure out how to show up as themselves. And this isn't your typical "lean in" narrative. This is real talk about what happens when five generations of workers try to coexist without driving each other crazy.We get into some juicy territory, like what Hanan calls "spiritual business moments" (trust me, it's not what you think), and why being vulnerable at work isn't always the magic solution Brené Brown might have led us to believe. Speaking of which, wait until you hear Hanan's take on psychological safety - spoiler alert: your role might have more to do with it than your personality.So, if you're tired of workplace advice that feels like it was written by AI (no offense to our robot friends), and you're ready for some real talk about power, authenticity, and staying human in the corporate jungle, this episode is for you. Don't worry, we'll throw in some cringe-worthy corporate culture stories too - because sometimes you just need to know you're not alone in this wild ride we call work life.“We have power and control over how we show up, how we interact with our neighbors, our community, our family, and the people we work with. That's where we have the power to be who we want to be and be the change that we want to see.” ~ Hanan Harb Sahourieh In This Episode:-Why personal power matters in the workplace-How to build a personal brand and its benefits-The inspiration behind Hanan’s book Everybody Be Cool-How to navigate generational differences in the workplace-Why power skills are essential in today’s workplace-Challenges of being vulnerable in the workplace-How independent publishing empowers creators-The value of a coaching culture in the workplace-How to build resilience and adaptability in the rising gig economyAnd much more!Resource Mentioned in the Episode:-Hanan’s book, Everybody Be Cool: https://a.co/d/h7SzNjE Connect with Hanan Harb Sahourieh:-Website: https://www.everybody-be-cool.com/ -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hananharbConnect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly -
Imagine hitting all your KPIs at work, only to be told you're out—because they want someone younger. Well, that’s exactly what happened to today’s guest, the incredible Emilia D’Anzica. And trust me, her comeback story is one for the books!Emilia is the founder of Growth Molecules, an author, and an all-around powerhouse. She takes us through her nuts experience of being pushed out of a tech company despite knocking it out of the park for 13 quarters straight. Emilia shares how she handled the blow (hint: with grace and a lot of courage), why fighting ageism in court is nearly impossible, and the advice she received from top lawyers. But this isn’t a downer episode! Emilia didn’t just take the hit – she flipped the script and used her MBA to launch her own successful consulting firm. We also talk about the rampant ageism in tech, the gender and racial pay gap, and how recruiters are still weirdly biased about hiring older talent (hello, 57 is not “too old” to hire!) If you’re over 40 and feeling it in your job search or career, Emilia’s story will inspire you to keep pushing forward. She’s living proof that there’s life – and success – after even the most unfair corporate rejection. So, don’t miss this conversation packed with insights and a story that will leave you both inspired and enraged.“If you're a recruiter, you should have the courage to look past how that person looks. We shouldn't have to pay an 'age tax' to get a job.” - Emilia D’AnzicaIn This Episode:-Emilia’s shocking story of being replaced by a younger colleague despite consistent success-Why age discrimination is so hard to prove in court (and the advice Emilia got)-How Emilia turned a tough experience into a thriving business-Recruiter bias against older workers and why we need to fix it-McKinsey research insights on gender pay gaps -A peek into Emilia’s book Pressing On as a Tech Mom And much more!Resources Mentioned in the Episode:-Emilia D’Anzica’s book, Pressing On as a Tech Mom: https://www.amazon.com/Pressing-Tech-Mom-Industry-Boundaries/dp/1956955194 -Women in the Workplace 2024: The 10th-anniversary report: https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/women-in-the-workplace Connect with Emilia D’Anzica:-Website: https://growthmolecules.com/ -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emiliadanzica -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emiliadanzica/Connect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - a...