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Author: Chloe Shih and Eric Wei
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Spent our 20s working for other people and are now living our 30s betting on ourselves. This is the *joy* of missing out.
A podcast starring Chloe Shih and Eric Wei.
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tech product manager making educational videos to elevate your career and life!
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
A podcast starring Chloe Shih and Eric Wei.
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ - IG: @chloe.shih
tech product manager making educational videos to elevate your career and life!
ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ - IG: @erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
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This is goodbye. For now.
In this episode we answer your burning questions including: why we're stopping JOMO, what our future plans are, and how is Eric's romantic life going? As Eric said this isn't a period, this is a semicolon. We'll see you again for season 2 :)
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 Eric is Chloe's biggest fan
3:21 find my iphone coming in clutch
4:33 you're the unstable one
7:36 it's fires after fires
8:18 why we are ending jomo
11:14 WE'RE 12TH ON SPOTIFY BUSINESS PODCASTS WOOT WOOT
14:18 lauDIY during Eric's house into a home
15:33 a girl entered Eric's house and did not run away in fear
16:06 1. Is Eric back on his boo thang hunt?
17:50 first they were NPC friends
22:40 she's sitting there looking at πππ
24:30 he KISSED her!!!
28:34 is Chloe feeling the jomo?
31:50 no Captain Eric :(
36:30 just vibing with some pickleball
39:15 Eric put on an A+ event
42:00 wonderous package ideas
45:08 showing face means so much
47:45 2. When's the next season starting?
48:34 3. What's the general direction for season 2?
51:19 4. What would we be doing during the break?
52:30 5. What were your favorite/least favorite episodes?
54:42 6. Do you have any plans for a meetup?
58:14 7. Can you give advice for people in their 20s?
59:09 *8. How do you become confident and overcome self-doubt?
59:48 find your weapon and abuse the f*** out of it
1:05:55 9. How do you balance being yourself and being professional?
1:08:45 we like Eric today
1:09:14 10. What made you ultimately decide to go to the creative route?
1:10:19 11. Any advice for someone trying to balance content with a 9-5?
1:12:38 12. What have you discovered about yourself/each other while doing JOMO?
1:16:24 One last goodbye :(
1:19:43 we'll still be around, so stay in touch!! JOMO out!
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What's the difference between networking and clout chasing? A lot of times you want to meet cool people. But then you get accused of clout chasing. Even though the two things have different intentions, from the outside they can look the same. It's a tricky thing to balance.
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
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tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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0:00 not the reddit clout chaser accusation
3:36 fake relationships for clout exist
7:15 haters are just projecting
9:28 Chloe in a content house?
12:05 nobody is big enough to be an a**hole
14:17 Kira's got called a clout chaser by her ex's friend
17:13 go network but don't pretend it's for friendship
20:55 chloe loves the community :)
24:25 you SHOULD surround yourself with people better than you
25:59 it's not a bad thing to meet cool people
27:11 unconditional love isn't real
29:00 conditional love is a good thing
31:55 unconditional love is reserved for family (some instances no)
35:35 the concept of grace
37:33 epigenetics mans
39:37 we call out behavior, not people
41:54 if you want a lasting relationship, don't ask for favors
43:54 Jomies in the wild tell us your background!
44:24 this is one of Eric's favorite podcast episodes!
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Going into office can be tiring, but with an office crush it can make you look forward to going to work! With 43% of people married to someone they worked with, your future partner might just be awaiting you there (it's pretty statistically probable!)
Some statistics about workplace romances according to Forbes:
-43% have married someone they worked with
-40% have cheated on their current partner with a coworker
-50% report flirting with their co-workers
(https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/workplace-romance-statistics/)
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β ( @chloeshih ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
β patreon β https://www.patreon.com/jomopod
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0:00 taking EXTRA good care of the daughter
0:45 we're not doing this forever
2:29 DON'T wear this to work
3:40 you gotta flirt to convert
4:44 what did we wear to work
6:49 men discriminate against hair colors
8:09 might find your new boo at work ;)
11:56 Eric's secret to pulling the ladies
12:26 Chloe got cheated on in the workplace
15:12 cheating is more common than you think
18:55 have you ever had a crush on your manager?
21:22 don't s*** where you eat
24:14 the ugly reality of office romances
27:02 Chloe's red hair makes a debut
31:33 it's hard being a girl
34:26 someone's trying to get promoted... to son in law
42:25 THIS is how you win a girl over
46:30 competence is sexy
49:00 he said WHAT?!?
52:02 would eric swipe on kira???
55:20 can notice when someone is aesthetically not hideous
59:20 how Chloe would rizz up her office crush
1:02:37 the hunger games romance version
1:05:58 good thing Kira isn't a man
1:08:40 ANIME JOMO
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In a time characterized by the prominence social media, Gen Z have been socialized significantly different from previous generations. This may be the reason for their work ethic that Chloe has struggled to work with during her team building endeavors. On the other hand Eric has had only positive experiences, but is this the exception or the rule?
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
β patreon β https://www.patreon.com/jomopod
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0:00 They said what??
0:55 crying on the toilet
4:04 Chloe was on the grind
6:32 What's the biggest mental block
9:50 don't be TOO mindful or demure
11:36 mental blocks are easier to see in others
14:46 just fighting demons at 3 am
17:42 overcoming depression with My Little Pony
20:00 JOMO won best podcast award!! :O
24:47 if jomo wasn't jomo
26:08 Chloe's exploring the VC world
29:52 What does Eric do as an advisor?
33:17 when you have influence, people come to you
36:30 Is investing worth it?
40:47 Let him cook!!
42:16 working with Gen Z is a nightmare
47:00 but is it really a Gen Z thing?
50:20 love the younger gen, as coworkers maybe not so much...
53:13 empowerment in the wrong environment can be bad
55:30 please share your advice about working with Gen Z!!
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Cheaters sucks. Finding out you've been cheated on even after it's all over still sucksβ which is exactly what happened to Chloe.
This leads to the conversation of how does one see multiple people? Even if you're single just trying to get to know people it can feel like you're betraying everyone involved. These things can feel even more stressful as we age and relationships get more serious. Aging can be terrifying, but it's out of our control so the only thing we can do is live our lives to the fullest.
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β Β @trykaratΒ ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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0:00 Third time's the charm...
2:30 laurDIY fixing Eric up, goodbye furnitureless days
7:00 is your wife Chloe Shih???
9:10 Chloe got cheated on and ERIC FIGURES IT OUT
10:31 and she KNEW the girl
13:32 Eric's a normie
16:09 is cheating a deal breaker?
17:54 guys, you need to learn to breakdance
19:00 seeing multiple people is weird
21:40 how do you meet a significant other?
22:40 don't s*** where you eat
25:33 don't date bait
27:53 staying safe by staying on the apps
29:12 not so vanilla afterall
34:45 sometimes you gotta follow your heart
35:54 creator happy hour!
37:20 can't keep up with the youngins' energy
39:20 with age comes wisdom
41:47 age defines the era of your life
43:45 aging is terrifying
47:27 everyone ages
49:27 everyone is a reincarnation of you
51:12 fear of impending doom
51:52 Is Eric going to ask that girl out?
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From corporate life in our 20s to working in the creator space, weβve learned a lot from our experiences. This is what we wish weβd known before reaching our 30s.
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β Β @trykaratΒ ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
πππΎππΌππ πΈ
β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
β patreon β https://www.patreon.com/jomopod
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0:00 we gotta go!!
0:57 Chloe joined the sock gang
2:11 living the life you want
4:14 just f***ing do it
6:52 I like your face
9:22 pickleball partners on tinder? not euphemism
13:47 maybe I have ADHDΒ
17:32 the reality of "I'm Single. Again."Β
21:32 Chloe slides into the DMs
24:34 exclusive patreon content... free Eric
28:05 be unafraid to fail
29:53 you don't have to say yes
31:15 managers can make/break your career
33:38 build a great sense of self
35:28 read Designing Your Life
37:32 don't compare your bts to someone's highlight reel
38:17 the grass is greener where you water it
38:43 therapy is really lit
41:36 being alone is not lonely
43:26 love yourself
46:45 choose the f***s you're willing to give out
48:00 question everything and build a b***s*** meter
49:19 negotiate the heck out of your salary
50:02 don't be afraid of moneyΒ
51:52 how you do anything is how you do everything
52:54 the grind is not the only game to play
53:59 no one is going to give a s*** about your career, you gotta fully own it
54:23 get out of victim mentalityΒ
57:23 you are the average of the top five influences around you
58:34 nobody really cares
59:04 just assume you have talentΒ
1:00:35 play the infinite game
1:03:16 it's never an overnight success
1:03:40 health is wealth
1:04:25 how to find the "One"
1:05:57 learn to let go
1:07:16 it may not be your fault, but it is your responsibilityΒ
1:07:45 know your "why"
1:09:14 being busy is a trap
1:10:18 not one but TEN lessons
1:13:19 nobody knows s***
1:13:59 you don't suck
1:14:42 you get to make a choice
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So a lot has happened since we last met... like Eric met THE Biden.
As you can tell it was a crazy week for Eric as he traveled across several states and met lots of people including Fred Liu and the Mr.Beast team. Meanwhile Chloe was having an emotional journey rather than a physical one. There's lots of lessons learned this week, including some great advice from Jimmy and Jaime about handling self-hatred and hiring in the creator space.
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β ( @chloeshih ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
β patreon β https://www.patreon.com/jomopod
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0:00 Biden wants to be a content creator??
0:22 shirtless Eric
0:52 our intrusive thoughts available on patreon
2:13 end this debate: jomillionaire vs jomo angel
3:25 let the man rot
7:04 you need to act like you're the s***
8:58 Eric cried in some dude's basement
11:33 the 1/3 rule for relationships
14:35 the mysterious Coxsackie car
17:10 Eric butchers Korean
18:18 buddy got neutered :(
20:24 Chloe is an extreme J
23:06 Eric meets Fred Liu and gives him a book
26:00 some man has good real estate and BAM billboard
27:49 meeting the POTUS
31:45 Eric became a hand model
34:23 friendship core memories
36:40 4 hour road trip for a 50% chance with the Mr.Beast team
39:45 Eric stayed up late to read a manhwa with a reincarnated hot man
44:20 doing the community a service
47:10 Chloe was going through it
50:29 Advice #1 you need to let go of negative energy
54:27 Advice #2 you need to change your perspective
55:16 Advice #3 be the hero of your life, not the victim
58:39 Why constrain yourself for your own story?
1:03:33 we love jaime aka igumdrop
1:05:09 we also love adrian aka omgadrian
1:06:37 hiring tip #1: gauging for grit
1:07:49 hiring tip #2: believe in the mission
1:09:46 lots of creators at the jackpot screening
1:12:52 what are Ericβs pickleball skills REALLY like?
1:14:10 Chloeβs locked in on 30 lessons at 30
1:16:44 getting our lives where they need to be
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Nobody likes to be wrong. Feedback is always difficult whether it be on the giving or receiving side. This weekβs episode is a heartfelt one as we share our experiences receiving feedback in our corporate jobs and now giving feedback as the bosses in our creative endeavors.
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Eric Wei (β Β @trykaratΒ β ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway/
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (β Β @chloeshihΒ β ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
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β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 fake feedback
1:06 shark socks
2:19 A LOT has happened
3:27 we had a fire
6:00 patreon launched!
8:02 eric reflecting on being maidenless
13:08 how to be the TOP of the industry
16:28 not a lot of people can do this
18:53 what content really means
20:24 teamwork makes the dream work
22:18 a manager is useless without their team
26:50 eric made a mistake
29:30 chloe gave her friend a B-
32:12 the feedback Google gave Chloe
33:02 importance of ownership
37:23 building a work style + when your style clashes
40:52 rationale is valuable!
42:04 responsibility vs fault
44:18 chloe loves clubs, eric? not so much...
45:56 valuable feedback #1: perspective
48:56 valuable feedback #2: best practices for YOU
51:30 corporate buzzwords
52:30 chloe has ~conviction~
53:27 we all have our weakness, like showering
54:43 eric got chills from chloe's feedback
58:54 chloe taught her friends taxes
1:02:08 giving brutally honest feedback for success
1:05:00 sharing feedback with your own feelings
1:07:07 trust when working with friends
1:08:37 chloe and ericβs good days
1:09:44 unsolicited feedback from strangersβ
1:11:30 donβt do the s*** sandwich
1:12:30 eric still gets scared of feedback
1:15:20 What's something youβre trying to get better at?
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Today's episode is going to be a judgy one because we are ranking everyone and every situation you can encounter in the tech world. From the person who never has their camera on to the LinkedIn influencers we've seen our fair share of them. We are joined by Chloe's husbando, Kevin, to add the software engineer POV. In our rankings we are not holding back and giving our brutally honest thoughts. From jail to invited to pickleball to a jomie we got all the tiers covered. Get nice and cozy because this is gonna be a wild ride.
P.S. the patreon is officially launchedπ₯³ β https://www.patreon.com/jomopod
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Eric Wei (Β @trykaratΒ ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway/
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
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β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 the Chloe, Kevin echochamber
0:44 patreon launched!
5:21 Chloeβs husbando with the swe pov
6:35 tier list explained
9:44 disclaimer: no vanilla wholesome today
11:12 never has their camera on
13:35 way too into boba
14:28 dyes their hair blue or purple
15:34 engineer who wants a farm
16:38 has massive imposter syndrome
18:35 works in mobile gaming
19:39 exec that won't get a real mic
22:16 Berkeley EECS grads
24:53 mental health leave post on LinkedIn
26:00 Koolaid drinkers
27:13 doesn't have a bedframe
29:03 omakase and niku guy
29:57 Canadians/Waterloo
31:17 probably working a 2nd job
32:14 still uses firefox
33:11 always snow boarding
34:04 engineers that think ur flirting with them
34:59 sends long message at 5 pm on a Friday
36:06 dual monitor, mech keyboard, ergo desk + chair set up
36:54 the type that posts on Blind
37:38 says they're poor but makes 6 figs
38:34 really, really into coffee
39:40 staff engineer who "has no filter"
41:10 gets into office at 7 am
42:05 VCs
43:04 lowkey nepo baby
43:35 white tesla drivers
44:42 PM turned startup founder
46:21 HR
47:27 diversity hire
48:48 LinkedIn influencers
49:32 startup CEO that keeps pivoting
50:18 extreme biohacker
51:53 new grads
52:25 Forbes 30U30 lister
54:27 "hi" with no follow up
55:33 slack s***poster
56:05 RPMs
57:00 interns
57:42 bootcamp engineers
58:27 only promotion projects
59:13 ladder climbers
59:58 brings their dog to the office
1:00:20 wanna go rock climbing
1:00:53 "tech jobs that make 6 figure" creators
1:02:18 hosts board game nights
1:02:50 weebs
1:03:38 sold 2 startups and now "consults"
1:04:34 only works at FAANG
1:04:42 doesn't work on a real desk or chair
1:05:59 swipes in for lunch and leaves
1:06:16 only wears free tech shirts
1:06:56 the aquihires
1:07:20 SF techies
1:09:08 LA techies
1:10:12 Seattle techies
1:10:20 NY techies
1:10:33 engineer with a really loud keyboard
1:11:21 has a photo of Elon on their desk
1:11:49 Tahoe trip planner
1:12:16 wears patagonia vests & chinos
1:12:25 guy who always complains about dating
1:14:02 crypto bros
1:14:18 looks like a recruiter, is a recruiter
1:14:58 DIML techtokers
1:15:58 MBA grad name dropper
1:16:02 PM/design GF + SE boyfriend
1:17:10 Dr. Fei-Fei Li
1:17:36 Daddy Zuck
1:18:20 Sheryl Sandberg
1:18:39 Daddy Jensen
1:19:30 Elon Musk
1:22:08 disclaimer: all for funsies
1:23:25 JOMO out
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so...eric's back on the market. any takers? π jk, but maybe? π
today, eric wanted a lil pow-wow where we talk about our hearts. it's a whole episode around breakups - the good, the bad, and the ugly. and we have our very own recurring guest, kira, back on this special episode!!
also kira is finally back online! you can find her at:
Kira Lee: https://www.instagram.com/michellekiralee/
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β Β @trykaratΒ ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Kristin Davis
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 uh, are we toxic?
0:44 up until 5 am
2:38 kira is now online! ig: michellekiralee
3:17 our exes are watching this pod
4:25 our breakups history
5:58 eric's single now :'(
8:22 chloe's breakups history
16:18 kira's breakups history
23:49 eric's recent breakup
25:26 eric's breakups history
27:11 eric's faithfulness being tested
28:55 when do you commit?
30:55 "in-yeon", which is "fate" in korean
33:58 is eric ready to commit?
34:35 korea's declining birth rate
38:22 an open debate on having kids
44:10 our parent's relationships
46:22 how kira handles fights with her boyfriend
48:22 how eric's parents impacts him
49:19 money makes you powerless
49:43 the women in chloe's family are built different
52:28 eric's realization on who he dates
53:09 chloe's learnings from her breakups
57:11 kira's learnings from her breakups
1:00:00 eric's learnings from his breakups
1:02:54 is eric ready TO DATE?! :o
1:04:29 what eric's looking for in a *girlfriend*
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last week's episode was about the *art* of networking - how to get INTO the group. this week is about how you get kicked OUT of one. it's social faux pas, what NOT to do, and what gives us the ick.
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (@chloeshih) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Lucas Falkavage and Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β youtube β https://www.youtube.com/@jomopod
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 no queen, you slay!
0:45 the truth about our patreon...
2:23 eric's filthy toes
3:02 horseback riding with the BOYZ
7:29 feeling better about building this startup
9:30 being with people we don't like
10:04 chloe's events w/ Asian Founders Network and Beacons
11:16 eric pinging chloe's discord manager
11:45 chloe fumbled at beacons dinner
13:32 chloe's hosting lenalemon and stellachuu
14:18 the mystery of grandma
15:42 chloe's mental breakdown
16:50 so there was this creepy tech guy...
20:22 kicking people out + setting boundaries
21:51 doing reference checks on the creep
22:59 I just found out he did that...
23:49 when you don't like your friend's friend
27:40 what's socially NOT ok?
29:00 what gets you BANNED
30:13 who's +1 are they?!
31:43 the emperor has no clothes
34:02 they snuck in and used us, wtf?
36:05 the attachment style theory
39:01 your problem is my problem
40:18 resolving conflicts w family (daddy chill!)
42:31 resolving conflicts in relationships
44:48 chloe left her nonprofit
46:11 stanford's touchy feely learnings
49:25 the feedback given to eric
51:04 what to do with fringe friends you don't like
53:02 social faux pas!
57:03 how to pass the vibe check
1:01:51 story: chloe's mentor
1:04:01 people talk...
1:05:41 takeaways: u gotta be a hater
1:06:46 a study on cutting off your family
1:09:28 don't lie
βItβs all about who you know.β
Weβre constantly told to go out there and network, to the point where we feel like we canβt miss a single event. And the million dollar question: what if you're an introvert?
From our years in corporate and now the content space, we've been to our fair share of networking events and picked up a few tips along the way. This episode is a dump of the stories, the L's, and insider tips we've gathered on the art of networking.
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β ( Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 intro
0:46 ultra premium rare skin Chloe unlocked
3:00 Ericβs Karat party at Vidcon
4:42 Colin & Samir shoutout
6:36 burnout at events
9:51 Vidcon networking highlights
12:11 Ericβs missed panel
16:15 dinner with a mega millionaire
20:55 algorithms to optimize health
22:12 whatβs a hot girl walk?
25:50 networking as an introvert
26:34 Eric and Chloeβs MBTI test results
28:08 networking when you donβt know anyone
31:40 how to secure peopleβs contact info
34:09 how Eric networks
36:13 Chloeβs go-to networking question
38:39 whatβs the dream?
44:36 are they a work friend or friend friend?
49:11 Ericβs cold outreach secretsπ€«
54:13 who Eric wants to meet next
55:35 who Chloe wants to meet next
57:48 the truth about successful people
59:30 know who to stay away from
1:05:59 feeling FOMO with networking
1:08:53 givers and takers
1:11:25 Jomie meetup??
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Friends - everyone needs them, but why are real ones so hard to find? Spoiler alert: it doesn't get easier once you're an adult. In fact it gets even more complicated once you throw work, spouses, and everyone doing their own thing into the mix. Episode 8 is about the best and worst parts of friendship, from the toxicity and cliques to the people you meet who make all of the drama worthwhile.
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β Β @trykaratΒ ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β ( Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 repressed memories
0:36 Chloe is injured
2:06 Ericβs new friends
3:03 Ericβs crazy ig stories
4:45 not having a friend group ft. ericβs kitty socks
6:53 abusive best friends
9:08 the Bay Area clique
10:39 when did Chloe make her first best friend
11:57 Chloeβs high school and college bullies
16:09 Chloeβs a$$hole roommate
22:43 SF housing drama
28:42 thereβs no good definition of friendship
31:33 Ericβs struggle making friends
35:50 Eric couldnβt find roommates at Harvard
37:34 Chloeβs old high school crush
42:27 letβs talk about adult friendships
44:51 deciding how people slot into your life. How close are we?
49:50 Chloeβs friendship bar
52:08 Chloeβs highkey sus mentor
56:15 reference checking friends
57:08 criteria for making friends
1:00:44 when business changes friendships
1:03:02 have you ever been a groomsman/woman?
1:05:34 the complications of work friendships
1:07:47 this toxic coworker had a big crush on Chloe
1:12:39 can men and women be friends?
1:14:50 being pressured to constantly hang out
1:17:57 what Chloe appreciates about Eric
1:19:38 what Eric appreciates about Chloe
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Nothing we do feels like enough. Itβs easy to look at someoneβs accomplishments on paper and think they have it all...but Episode 7 is all about the mental tax that comes with constantly striving for that next accomplishment.
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv
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0:00 How to do a *proper* hi five
1:05 life updates - Taiwan, college reunion, writing a life PRD
4:21 Chloeβs course launchedβ¦ and she has a hater
9:08 Chloeβs act of kindness
11:03 the life of being online
12:01 Ericβs recent acts of kindness
13:52 Eric as a college student
16:17 what is Harvardβs reunion like?
19:45 Chloe not included in networking conversations
24:07 feeling small
29:56 Chloe has *clout*
31:33 Chloe hosted her own Gold House Gala
36:16 the sacrifices of putting βbusiness successβ first
38:23 living in scarcity
39:37 wanting to feel heard
41:13 ya hate to see it!
44:09 do you want to change and let go?
45:49 infinite halfway theory
48:22 first impressions of Chloe
50:16 does wanting to change come from insecurity?
52:35 Chloeβs insecurities about being feminine enough
56:56 Ericβs crazy EDC travels
1:01:40 how much Chloeβs course made in sales
1:07:51 reflections
1:10:32 a bonus πͺ°
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Full-time content or back to tech...what about neither? Chloe has been defining her own path, which along the way has led her to sign a huge contract with a Taiwanese ed-tech company and contemplate launching her own TV show. Similarly, Eric's involvement in both business and content has him going from VC pitch meetings to hanging out in the Sway House with some of the world's biggest influencers. What is that lifestyle like, and is it really worth it?
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://spoti.fi/466BRP3
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.com/invite/eKZEx42R
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0:00 uwu and meet buddy
1:23 why was Chloe in Taiwan
3:37 Chloeβs product course!
5:32 why Kevin had to fly to TaiwanΒ
6:51 Chloeβs family reunionΒ
11:06 being a full time creator - is it profitable? Worth it?
13:16 why Chloe doesnβt want to do just tech or content
15:45 what are you gonna do then?
18:30 jUsT sTarT a cOmpAnY
20:55 what Chloe really cares about
26:53 content is too grabby
28:53 it only takes Eric 15 mins to do this??
32:22 what do we call Chloeβs path
33:10 star studded pickleball tournament
36:39 the mentor who changed Chloeβs life
41:23 Chloe and Ericβs takes on how to actually find a mentor
45:13 awkward networking stories
49:32 why you have to be self promotional
51:10 ericβs experience at sway house
52:26 how content complements Ericβs entrepreneurship
59:00 taiwanese slang M3βοΈ3οΈβ£
1:01:21 creators are tired
1:07:14 familial duties - parents, chloe junior
1:11:56 JOMO out
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βShould I leave my 9-5 to do content?β Weβve all had that thought, and Chloe actually made it happen. But is content really as glamorous as it seems? Chloe and Eric dive into the good, the bad, and the ugly of some of today's most enticing career paths: tech, startups, and content.
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co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β ( Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://bit.ly/jomo-spotify
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/chloeshih
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0:00 sick and tired of it all
2:46 did eric get shadow banned?
4:06 learned helplessness
5:46 chloe spends HOW many hours a week on content?
9:09 chloe has the urge to go back to corporate
1048 is content less fun as a full time creator?
11:51 how to design your life
13:14 how being 30 affects your body
15:35 the three paths - content is a side hoe
17:56 the most interesting people are not online
20:13 PM is NOT a chill job
24:03 whatβs so hard about deciding life paths
27:30 do CEOs have to be good at managing people
29:13 should creators have smaller teams?
33:00 is YouTube still worth it?
35:08 how to make the most out of your PM job
39:23 feeling unimpactful as a PM
40:47 I just wanna be salary man
42:32 creators donβt get to work on the business side
44:50 chloeβs crazy grind schedule
49:11 does chloe want to start her own company?
51:18 ericβs career advice for chloe
53:35 how eric deals with burnout
54:40 eric & chloeβs plans for the next few weeks
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In Part 2 of our steamiest episode yet - what's it really like to date successful people? Do men like it when women are smarter than them? Should the man in a relationship pay more? Chloe and Eric are joined by a friend to discuss everything related to love and dating in your 30s.
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ β ( @chloeshih ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
Disclaimer: This episode features an open and honest discussion about our diverse dating journeys. We understand that some viewpoints may differ from your own, and we fully respect that. Our aim is to create a space for a variety of perspectives rooted in real experiences. Please remember that the content of this podcast is not intended as advice. Instead, we hope it highlights the complexity of dating and love.
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://bit.ly/jomo-spotify
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β youtube β www.youtube.com/@jomopod
β discord β https://discord.gg/chloeshih
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0:00 welcome to pt 2!
0:48 what itβs like to date founders
3:02 are founders more likely to cheat?
4:22 the problems with men wanting validation
5:40 was dating in 30s different for eric
6:36 why dating in 30s gets harder for women
8:42 how eric βscreensβ potential gfs
9:27 why eric doesnβt want kids
10:45 the most forward chloe has ever been
12:57 ericβs consulting rizz
13:43 do guys like when girls are smarter
15:49 how do you know he wants to be more than friends
17:36 definite dealbreakers
18:36 GREEN flags
22:11 being gaslit into open relationships
26:36 improve yourself to attract better people in your life
29:10 why open relationships donβt work long term
31:37 when are you ready to get married
33:06 how eric views marriage
34:55 should men pay for more
41:40 how much $$ do you need to live comfortably in LA
45:09 being a housewife
46:15 favorite romantic tropes
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Do women really care about height? Should you date friends? How do you know when someone is the *one*? Chloe and Eric are joined by a friend to discuss everything related to love and dating in your 30s. There's much to cover, so much so that the episode is broken into two parts. Stay tuned for Part 2 coming next Tuesday!
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β @trykarat β ) - IG: / erictway
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ (β @chloeshih β ) IG: / chloe.shih
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β / jomo.pod
β spotify β https://bit.ly/jomo-spotify
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β / jomopod
β youtube β / @jomopod
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0:00 protein chips (and more protein chips)
0:55 introducing our guest!
1:56 one way open relationships
4:20 why have an open relationship
5:40 facing public opinion on open relationships
7:52 would chloe have an open relationship
9:24 how kevin pulled chloe with NO experience
12:30 being tricked into a date
13:48 chloe and kevinβs first date
14:58 overlooking nice guys
16:06 do sf women think too highly of themselves?
18:24 when chloe *finally* fell for kevin
21:45 is it a red flag when they donβt have experience?
23:50 when do you commit to someone?
27:00 dealbreakers
28:18 why did chloe feel confident in her choice in kevin
30:20 simps.
32:00 why eric doesnβt date friends
34:44 ericβs accidental date w an older guy
36:30 why guys full send in dating
38:50 ericβs hinge profile glow up
41:08 does height really matter
43:11 ericβs wildest LA dating story
44:06 why eric fell for his gf
45:56 ericβs history of exes
48:22 hoe phases
49:53 100% certified magic trick for pulling ;)
54:05 stay tuned for pt 2!
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#dating #relationships #love
Chloe and Eric both left the corporate world for their own pursuits. But it's hard to ignore the elephant in the room: where does money fit into the equation? The JOMO hosts compare their finances from back when they worked corporate jobs, to today as a full-time creator (Chloe) and startup founder (Eric). This is an honest conversation about how money affects relationships and careers in your 20s and 30s β some major π΅ is spilled!
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (β Β @trykaratΒ β ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway/
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ (β Β @chloeshihΒ β ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β spotify β https://bit.ly/jomo-spotify
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β youtube β www.youtube.com/@jomopod
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0:00 eric & chloe catch up
5:48 money in relationships
11:14 when did you first start making a lot of money
14:56 when being money driven stops you from doing other things
17:13 are startups *actually* lucrative
20:00 why chloe went into content
29:08 chloe's married life finances
32:09 eric's finances across relationships
37:00 onlyfans
40:00 how having kids changes finances
46:46 the corporate ladder
52:01 how chloe worked her way up
1:00:14 paying for others
1:01:50 chloe's dilemma
1:06:22 how chloe makes money as a creator
1:10:33 getting pregnantπ€°π»
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When Chloe got laid off this year, she accidentally went viral and reached over 20m+ views online. This spawned a lot of unexpected things - from getting lots of new opportunities to being retweeted into oblivion. It was truly an atypical layoff experience, but was also the catalyst for Chloe and Eric to finally record this pod.
Hope you enjoy the very first episode of JOMO with Chloe and Eric!
Note: This episode was recorded In February 2024, so some information might be outdated.
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ππΏπΆπ° πͺπ²πΆ (Β @trykaratΒ ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway/
co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances
ππ΅πΉπΌπ² π¦π΅πΆπ΅ (Β @chloeshihΒ ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/
tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s.
Editor: Jayna Benito
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β instagram β https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod
β tiktok β https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod
β spotify β https://bit.ly/jomo-spotify
β youtube β www.youtube.com/@jomopod
β apple podcasts β https://bit.ly/jomo-apple
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0:00 our silly lil intro
0:25 eric's intro of chloe
7:53 chloe's intro of eric
11:58 what JOMO pod is about
13:39 eric's weekend
18:42 chloe's weekend
20:10 going viral for getting laid off
20:27 getting hate
21:10 going viral in the news
22:13 hate on blind
23:41 eric's take on the hate + layoffs
26:11 new doors opening after the layoffs
28:51 eric's dramatic career w mckinsey, blackstone, facebook
32:31 some weird friend group drama
34:57 lawyering up (getting bullied by an entertainment co)
38:11 creators talking sh*t about chloe
40:40 eric's take on ppl talking sh*t
41:42 was the layoff a good thing?
43:03 dangers of making your life your content
45:55 being shameless going in on content + asking for favors
47:37 pet peeves when ppl ask for favors
50:06 chloe's first impression of eric
52:43 eric's first impression of chloe
57:32 hope u liked this ππ π₯Ί
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Love listening to these two banter back and forth. Such a casual meeting of minds. One of my fav podcasts!