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During today’s conversation on Back Porch Theology, we’re going to honestly explore how Christians can do better caring about and caring for the precious people who are leaving mainstream churches. It’s a given that some are walking away from communities of faith for sinful reasons but what about the saints who are leaving our sanctuaries because they’ve been deeply betrayed by a spiritual leader or they simply can’t reconcile the Jesus of Scripture – who hugged lepers, welcomed outliers, and compassionately advocated for the poor - with the sociology of the affluent, seemingly inwardly focused congregation they were raised in. Pastor and modern theologian, Dr. A.J. Swoboda made this wise and gracious observation about some who are leaving the church: they have tasted Jesus, and rigid religion has proven to be a poor substitute. Before we go any further, I want to state what I hope is blatantly obvious here at Back Porch Theology and that is: we are passionately, unashamedly, enthusiastically PRO-CHURCH. Dr. Howard pastors a local church in Dillon, CO and Allison and I are life-long church girls. All three of us have spent a good chunk of our lives serving on church staffs or parachurch ministries. We wholeheartedly believe the Christian church is one of the main means of grace our Creator Redeemer uses to accomplish His kingdom purposes. We also believe the Bible is crystal clear regarding how important it is for God’s people to gather on a regular basis as a community of faith for centralized worship, corporate prayer, biblical instruction, water baptism, relational encouragement, and to celebrate the sacrament of communion. But, and this is a big but, we also think Christ-followers can do a much better job of caring for and listening to the men, women and teenagers who are leaving our churches for reasons that should give us pause – mainly, that sometimes our corporate gatherings of faith no longer resemble the Savior we’re singing about or the wholistically redemptive message of the Bible we profess to base our belief system on. Not everyone who walks away from a local church is an angry rebel or a selfish prodigal or a divisive opponent, much less a dangerous heretic. Some sheep are hurt and scared and lonely and they thought they’d get closer to the Good Shepherd if they joined our herd, but unfortunately their wounds have gotten worse, as a result of hanging out with us and they don’t feel like they have any other option except to limp away to a less painful pasture. If someone you love has walked away from church disappointed, disillusioned, and is quite possibly in a season of deconstruction we believe today’s conversation can help you maintain a genuine relationship with them as they sort out what they believe to be true about God, even if they pull away from church for the time being. And based on the some of the excruciatingly honest emails we’ve received here at BPT, we understand that some of you - who purely by the grace of God trust our motley crew enough to hang out on the proverbial porch with us - are nursing fresh wounds from a bad church experience. Please know that you’re especially weighty on our hearts today. We’ve prayed that Holy Spirit will use this conversation to bring you a tangible sense of His comfort. That it will serve to remind you that while Christ followers are notably flawed, Jesus – our incarnate Savior - was without sin, not a man that He could lie or change His mind, according to the Old Testament book of Numbers. Yes, human love is conditional, but God’s love is unconditional and immutable – it doesn’t change. He is not fickle He is perfectly...
I had the privilege of seeing Samson in Branson, MO, a few years back and so want to see more. But having a theatre background myself, I only want to see it on stage! Lisa, how can I share my miraculous GOD story with you?
who was it that said, "don't argue with GOD over your limitations, because He will let you keep them."?
what is the email we can write to?
I'm starting at the beginning of your podcasts because I heard one of your devotionals and fell in love! I feel like if we knew each other personally, we would be besties!!! Can't wait to hear the rest of these!!! :-)
There isn't anyone out there that really will come along and walk through this with me. Only if you have lots of money to pay for someone to care.
This episode has opened a can of worms for me & that's just not good! I have been diagnosed with too many issues, both physical and mental, over the years & now I think I need to gback in therapy but can't afford it. Robin Retzack
“The essence of dignity is choice.” This blew me away. It also makes the whole choice in the garden conversation go away. And then choice must have an outlet—Christ died for our sins. And God provided for redemption before creation. It wasn’t an after thought. Great discussion.
Is there a way to get a transcript of this episode? There's so many good things I want to remember.
when are you guys coming to Texas & where in Texas? I will need to start saving now.
for the last 3-4 months, I have been listening to your podcasts and finally have caught up! I love it! I will now start over because one a week just isn't enough, and there is so much information to gather from each one!
I can't get enough of your podcast! I started listening this year & am catching up, but I'll be going back over each one numerous times just to absorb every morsel & tidbit I can! I don't know if you go back read messages from past podcasts, but I hope to meet Allison Allen in Willow Park, TX soon!
I am learning so much more through your podcast! I have taught your Bible studies and done some at home by myself, but these podcasts have reached deeper into my soul. Now, I know how to respond to my adult granddaughter when she takes offense at something I've said. Prof. Howard's words were perfect!
could the words GOD used to describe woman be spelled? I don't hear well, and I want to share this information, but I can't if I can't use the correct words. I have listened to this podcast for 3 times now! I love it!
Thank you ladies so much for this episode! I've been listening from Day 1 and absolutely love this podcast. This episode sank into my soul and it wasn't until a few days later I realized the name I've been living into is Miserable. Even though the Lord has done great things in my life to remove anger and frustration, there's still been this underlying current of misery for over a decade and a good bit of it stems from family that surrounded me as I grew up. And it's not constantly there, there are periods of happiness but misery still lurks close by. I'm so thankful God helped reveal that to me so I can exchange that for the new name of Joyful. THAT is the legacy I desire to pass on to my kids and others.
I am binge listening to your podcast and it is mind blowing jaw dropping information. You also genuine love for Jesus and continuing to show thar have not yet apprehended - however still on the journey ... refreshing and the me and my prof segment - no words, only meditation. I'm in a place where I know what to do yet my flesh rises and gaze is backward since I never dreamed or saw a future for myself. Not sure what to ask for because O truly want so much and natural disappointment has me bound on the spirit. In writing this, my ask is Jesus, help me to strengthen my spirit, starve my flesh, and dream/speak about my future in the affirmative not in wishful thinking language. All that to say, really liking this podcast and learning A LOT.
I love, love, love this podcast! Warms my soul and challenges my mind. Thank you!
I love this podcast! Not only is it spirituality and mentally stimulating, the "Porch" feeds a hunger for an attainable and applicable understanding of Scripture.
Oh Lisa, we need some of these amazing, witty, sucker punched Truth lines to be put up line TobyMac speak life posts! I soak up every word you say and I wish I could remember some of these. "When I practice intentional gratitude, it takes me from a place of grumpy to grace". Thank you for your life giving messages, I am filled and inspired and rooted because of them.
Us back porches love you both too! thank you for this spicy truth. I love the idea of reading the Bible in its entirety each year. Great idea!
I love your message and Thank you and God for giving you this platform.