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Lords of Limited is a podcast about Magic: the Gathering strategy. It is primarily focused on playing Limited, including both draft and sealed. The podcast is designed to help listeners get an edge in their next draft or sealed event, especially on MTG Arena
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Episode 125 is here with your hosts diving deep on one of the most difficult processes for a limited player: how to decide on the last cards to include or cut from a draft deck. Looking at six categories, they give best practices for making sure your 40 cards are a well oiled machine!
Roundtable - https://magic.flooey.org/draft/show?id=g6g9XVISzWkCkLlRFQw3FeYL4SI
Deck Review - https://imgur.com/a/vPMSylm
What a weekend! Magic Con Vegas featured a limited $100K event as well as six rounds of draft at the World Championship! Ethan and Ben are here to review all the happenings, congratulate their peers' accomplishments, and zoom in on some key decision points from the two featured drafters at Worlds!
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Winning at New Cubes with Lucky Paper Radio | Episode 448
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. Cubecon is this week and we’re joined by two of the very best in the cube-content business, the hosts of Lucky Paper Radio Andy Mangold and Anthony Mattox. We dive deep on how to approach new cubes, what to look for in the card list on Cube Cobra, and how to wrap your head around radical rules-shifted cubes!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-The Spiky Side of Cube
-Power Outliers and Mana Fixing
-Context Shifted Cubes
And more!
Find All Things Lucky Paper Radio at https://luckypaper.co/
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
9:01 Setting the Interview Stage
26:50 Defining Cube
34:37 Power Outliers
50:11 Mana Fixing
1:12:31 Context Shifted Cubes
1:24:26 Tournament Mindset
This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp
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PT EOE Draft Review | Episode 447
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re heading back to Edge of Eternities to review the two featured drafts from coverage of PT EOE: Ken Yukuhiro on day 1 and Shuhei Nakamura on day 2. Join us as we get in the armchair captain's seat and ENGAGE with the picks that we liked (and really didn’t like) from each of these pros!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-State of MTG for the podcast
-EOE PT Draft Reviews
-Different Draft Paths Explored
And more!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
8:33 Ken Yukuhiro Draft Review
33:28 Shuhei Nakamura Draft Review
PT EOE Round 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMTmZSDQV8I
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Your Friendly Neighborhood Omenpath | Episode 446
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, Ben’s in Atlanta at the Magic Con, so Ethan is joined by Sam Pratt from the “Rough Drafts” podcast to talk about their week 1 impression of Through the Omenpaths/Spiderman. “Are you enjoying this set?” kicks off the conversation as we dive into Pick 2 and one of the most divisive magic sets ever made. We review a couple draft logs and talk about something that we think will come up a lot more often than anticipated: enemy color pair decks!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
Draft Log Reviews
What’s NOT to like about Red
Enemy Color Pair Decks
And more!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
09:45 2026 Announcements
19:48 Draft 1
37:22 Draft 2
45:07 Format Updates
01:05:22 Enemy Color Pair Decks
Check out Sam’s podcast Rough Drafts: https://podcasts.apple.com/si/podcast/rough-drafts-a-limited-magic-podcast/id1806134595
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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Vintage vs Type 1 Event Information https://www.mtgo.com/news/vintage-vs-type-10-2025
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Bring Me Big Picture Updates Of Spiderman! | Episode 445
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’ve got a LOT to say about Pick 2 Draft after getting our hands on the set during Early Access and Pre-Release. We thought this draft format would teach people how to force, and we were dead wrong. Reading signals is KEY to Pick-2 Draft and we get into it on this episode as well as a draft log review, a discussion of top commons, and some individual movers up and down!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Pick 2 Draft Strategy Outlined
-Draft Log Review
-Commons Re-Ranked
And more!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
8:01 Pick 2 Draft
25:02 Draft Review
44:21 Big Picture Updates
56:30 Top Commons
1:08:16 Card Eval Updates
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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SPM Crash Course | Episode 444
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re giving you our big picture overview of the upcoming Marvel: Spiderman Set! We’ve got our format truth predictions, color identities, top uncommons, notable commons, sleeper cards, and big picture takeaways!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Predictions on the Rules of Engagement for SPM
-Color Identities and Top Cards
Sleeper Commons and Big Picture Takeaways
And more!
Grading Spreadsheet
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
8:57 Format Truths
18:53 White & Blue
29:32 Black & Red
40:52 Green
51:05 Sleeper Commons and Wrap-Up
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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Spidey Sense is Tingling | Episode 443
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re looking at the previews for the upcoming Spiderman Universes Beyond Crossover. We give you our thoughts on this smaller set, what our initial takes on 4-Person-Pick-2 drafts are, and then dive into the new and returning mechanics as well as a bunch of preview cards. And, of course, everyone’s favorite preview segment: “Great or Garbage?”
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Pick 2 Draft Overview
-Archetype Signposts and Power Evals
-New and Returning Mechanics Explained
And more!
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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50 EOE Takes in 50 Minutes | Episode 442
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re putting Edge of Eternities into a capsule and sending it off to space with 50 takes in 50 minutes! We’re not sure why this format got a bad rap in the community at large because for us there’s still a ton to like. Join us as we review what worked and didn’t, give tons of power rankings, and dole out awards for “The Golden Egg,” “Imperial Oath,” and much more!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Edge of Eternities Farewell
-Archetype, color, and common power rankings
-Golden Egg and Imperial Oath Award Winners
And more!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
8:41 Takes 1-10
22:45 Takes 11-20
34:40 Takes 21-30
45:41 Takes 31-40
55:04 Takes 41-50
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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Hot or Cold: Introducing Blackjack Theory | Episode 441
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we begin by outlining the Big Red decks in EOE, what makes them so strong and the package of commons that lets you ramp out a Nebula Dragon on turn 5! Then, we get into the main topic of a new way to evaluate deck strength that we’re calling Blackjack Theory. We outline this process and put it into practice for a few different decks. We also discuss some broader thoughts about staying open in this format and drafting high quality cards inspired by a conversation from the jointexploration twitch stream and members of Team Sanctum of All.
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-How to Draft Big Red in EOE
-Blackjack Theory Introduced
-Just Draft the Good Cards inspired by Team Sanctum
-And more!
Jointexploration Twitch Vod
Ryan’s Day 2 Draft Log
Ethan's Draft Log
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
4:19 Big Red
15:26 Blackjack Introduced
34:47 Sanctum Discussion
1:00:23 Draft Log
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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Welcome to an episode of our weekly bonus podcast of Lords Unlimited! This week we're joined by recent PTQ Winner and High Stakes Limited sicko Jared Mazzant aka JMazz. Jared is fresh off of his win at Magic Con Vegas, but he's no stranger to deep runs in big paper limited events. He's here to give us the low down on the structure of these events, how to make it to day 2, and what he does to prepare specifically for marathon paper tournaments.
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Arena Set Tier List | Ranking all the Draft Formats on MTGA!!!
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re ranking every single arena draft format in a MASSIVE Tier List! From Ixalan (one of our first podcast sets) all the way to Final Fantasy, we’ve got 6 years of draft sets to get through and place in categories from “GOATed” to “Fun but Flawed” and “No thanks!”
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Draft Set Tier List
-Many Nostalgia Trips Down Memory Lane
-Official LOL GOATed Sets
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
9:20 XLN - WAR
27:48 ELD - AFR
51:36 MID - DMU
1:06:40 BRO - WOE
1:23:26 LCI - DSK
1:35:23 FDN - FIN
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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Feeling Intrin-Sick | Deep Dive on Maximizing Power in Draft
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re talking about the big 3: Galactic Wayfarer, Virus Beetle, and Cryogen Relic. These cards are prime examples of intrinsic power vs synergistic power and we go deep on these concepts and how they relate to grading, pick order, drafting philosophy, and Edge of Eternities specifically.
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Deep Dive on Power in MtG
-Intrinsic Power vs Synergistic Power
-Individual Card Stock Up/Stock Down
And more!
Draft Log Review
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
7:53 Intrinsic Power
49:30 Draft Log
1:08:49 Stock up/Stock Down
1:18:32 Spacecraft Addendum
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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Holy Ship! | First Week Info Dump for EOE
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re looking at all things Edge of Eternities after 1 week of drafting in the books! We talk about what we’ve been winning with in EOE (hint: it’s not green), what the data tells us (both genpop and top players), what the lack of fixing means for the drafts, and the importance of proper card evaluation to your success in the format!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-The Spectrum of Edge of Eternities’ Colors
-17lands vs Our Own Experience
-Ode to Black in EOE
And more!
Draft Log Review
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
7:06 Big Picture Updates
35:10 Draft Log Review
48:23 Defending Black
58:54 Ben Loves Blue
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online. For any and all MTG Product needs, head to https://fusiongamingonline.com/pages/lords and let them know we sent you!
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Getting an EDGE | Early Access Updates on EOE
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re taking what we learned during Early Access and Pre-release to update our thoughts on the good, the bad, and the spacecrafts of EOE. We dive deep on the new card type and how Station played out, plus some archetype and color power rankings, and tons of individual card updates!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Spacecraft Deep Dive
-Archetype Tiers and What Impressed during EA
-Huge Card Evaluation Update
Article on Big Game/Small Game by Sam Black
This episode is sponsored by Fusion Gaming Online
This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
7:25 Big Picture pt 1
11:17 Spacecrafts
34:36 Big Picture pt 2
47:41 Archetype Rankings
58:43 Card Eval Updates
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EOE Crash Course | Boldly Going Where No Content Has Gone Before!
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re boldly going where no content has gone before and getting ready for Edge of Eternities! We’ve got our revamped Crash Course for you complete with Format Truths, Color Identities, Top Uncommons, Notable and Sleeper Commons, and summarized takeaways! Everything you need to crush your first drafts/sealed of this exciting new format!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Big, Bold Format Truths
-Color Identities and In-depth Discussions
-Top Commons and Uncommons to Keep an Eye On
Grading Spreadsheet
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
7:55 Format Truths
25:12 Color Identities and Top Cards
58:50 Sleeper Cards
1:21:28 Final Takeaways
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This week, we're dropping our Bonus episode of Lords Unlimited on the main feed to make sure we don't miss out on the opportunity to send Final Fantasy off with its very own 50 Takes in 50 Minutes! Join us as we say goodbye to this massive Universes Beyond set that took the summer by storm with a rapid-fire array of takeaways, key cards, superlatives, awards, and power rankings. Let's get 50 minutes on the clock!
0:00 Intro
4:09 Takes 1-10
20:04 Takes 11-20
32:38 Takes 21-30
44:23 Takes 31-40
57:27 Takes 41-50
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On The Edge of a New Format | Edge of Eternities Previews are Here!
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. 3-2-1 Blast Off, we’re going to space with the newest set Edge of Eternities. We’re going over the extremely hard-to-evaluate new mechanics, the signposts we’ve seen so far, and as many commons and uncommons as we can get through before everyone’s favorite preview segment, “Great or Garbage?”
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-EOE Mechanics Deep Dive
-Card Evaluation Predictions
-“Great or Garbage?” and a GIHWR Wager!
0:00 Intro & Housekeeping
5:07 Edge of Eternities Mechanics
30:10 Color Pair Signposts
36:56 Removal
41:26 Synergies
56:54 Great or Garbage
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Rakdos Intolerant | Decision Trees in Tricky Drafts!!
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re talking about our love for Rakdos in FIN limited, why it’s underrated, and outline the steal’n’sac synergies that the color pair provides. Then we’re looking at three tricky drafts, the decision trees they present, and what your selections mean for how you want to navigate your seat in this format!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-More love for Rakdos in FIN
-Three complex draft reviews
-Multiple paths explored in each draft
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro & Housekeeping
8:06 Love for Rakdos
18:14 Draft 1 Review
32:33 Draft 2 Review
47:41 Draft 3 Review
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Our Final Fantasies | Archetype Guides For Our Favorite Decks to Draft
Welcome to Lords of Limited, the podcast dedicated to getting you better at drafting in Magic: the Gathering. This week, we’re digesting all we learned at MC Las Vegas and coming to you with our updated takes on individual cards and our approach to the format as a whole. Then we get into the really fun stuff: archetype guides for our pet decks in Final Fantasy Limited. Learn how to draft Triple Triad Control, BW Artifacts, GW Legends, and UG Towns along with over/underperformers and general mindsets for playing these underrated strategies!
🎙️ What You’ll Get in This Episode:
-Card Eval and Draft Approach Updates
-Underrated Archetypes Outlined
-Over/Underperformers For Niche Strategies
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro & Housekeeping
5:27 Format Approach Updates
10:28 Card Evaluation Updates
38:26 Favorite Archetype Deep Dives
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This episode was nerdery on the best way. It gets an A, or a 3+, ...or always/almost always play.
Omg a ticket to ride mention
lost respect for these guys cause they like Suriver lol