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Author: Hedge Fund Manager Erik Townsend

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Weekly market commentary by Hedge Fund Manager Erik Townsend and interviews with the brightest minds in the world of finance and macroeconomics. Made possible by funding from Fourth Turning Capital Management, LLC
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MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Daniel Lacalle. We'll explore the Trump Trade, whether it's winding down or just gaining momentum, and discuss what lies ahead for the markets. https://bit.ly/3CEID3X ⚫ Follow Daniel Lacalle on X: https://www.x.com/DLacalle_IA 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/4fZfrCU   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Vincent Deluard. They’ll discuss secular inflation, the gig economy, and what Vincent calls the 'shadow lending and savings markets.' He’ll also share his outlook on precious metals post-election and introduce a new theory: The '5-Body Problem.' https://bit.ly/3UT7cQN ⚫ Follow Vincent on X: https://www.x.com/VincentDeluard 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/48NM7No   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back best selling author, Dr. Pippa Malmgren. They’ll cover the current election results, potential upcoming challenges, and the anticipated impacts on financial markets and the broader economy. https://bit.ly/4hzLvyX   ⚫ Follow Pippa X: https://www.x.com/DrPippaM ⚫ Subscribe To Pippa’s Substack: https://drpippa.substack.com/ 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/40Hq5dn   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Darius Dale. Darius argues that, for the financial markets, the outcome of next week’s U.S. presidential election is surprisingly inconsequential. They’ll delve into this perspective before exploring the drivers behind persistent inflation, the reasons for expecting the U.S. economy to remain robust, the Fed’s determination to achieve a soft landing, and why he’s confident that market liquidity will keep increasing. https://bit.ly/40qGxyb ⚫ Follow Darius Dale on X: https://www.x.com/DariusDale42 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3YLjQUr   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Brent Johnson. They’ll discuss foreign demand for U.S. Treasuries, Brent’s outlook for the dollar, equities, precious metals, energy, and much more. https://bit.ly/48B8uWt ⚫ Follow Brent Johnson on X: https://www.x.com/SantiagoAuFund 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3BYjfG1   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Anas Alhajji. They’ll discuss all things crude oil, starting with the geopolitical risks. https://bit.ly/4eNQytL ⚫ Follow Anas Alhajji on Substack: https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/ ⚫ Follow Anas Alhajji on X: https://www.x.com/AnasAlhajji 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3YcQn3Y   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1 Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Harley Bassman. They will discuss mortgage backed securities and the best way to trade them. https://bit.ly/4ezISv9 ⚫ Follow Harley Bassman on X: https://www.x.com/ConvexityMaven 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/4dARobW   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH   🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials  
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Luke Gromen. They’ll discuss the dollar, inflation, monetary policy, China, energy, precious metals, and much more. https://bit.ly/3TW9f65 ⚫ Follow Luke Gromen on X: https://www.x.com/LukeGromen 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/4erbNRT   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH   🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Eric Peters. They’ll discuss all the usual macro suspects from secular inflation to competitiveness of the U.S, EU, and China, the USD, De-globalization, and much more. https://bit.ly/3TN3vvp 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3TIqpnK   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH   🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Visit OptionFinity: www.optionfinity.com   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Matt Barrie. They’ll discuss everything AI, exploring recent developments and what the future holds. https://bit.ly/3XslYP3   ⚫ Follow Matt Barrie on X: https://www.x.com/Matt_Barrie   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH   🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Visit OptionFinity:https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Jim Bianco. They’ll discuss why Jim thinks the Fed has become political and risks a policy error, they also cover long-term inflationary trends, the role of precious metals in today's economy, and more. https://bit.ly/4d372MT ⚫ Follow Jim Bianco on X: https://www.x.com/biancoresearch 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3z6celr ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Visit OptionFinity: www.optionfinity.com   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk     Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials  
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Mike Alkin. They'll cover all aspects of the uranium market, from its structure and the absence of a liquid futures contract, to how utility buyers are compensated and why they tend to remain complacent despite increasing concerns over global uranium supply. https://bit.ly/47eqEfK   ⚫ Follow Sachem Cove Partners on X: https://www.x.com/SachemCove 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/4eehoKL   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Visit OptionFinity: www.optionfinity.com   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk     Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Viktor Shvets. They discuss a wide range of topics, including global central bank policies and their potential politicization, the risks of a recession, the lack of significant repercussions from the yen carry trade unwind, as well as various aspects of politics and geopolitics. Additionally, they delve into commodities and, naturally, the U.S. stock market. https://bit.ly/3X438xm   ⚫ Follow Viktor on X: https://www.x.com/ViktorShvets 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3T8HDu1   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Visit OptionFinity: www.optionfinity.com   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk     Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Ole Hansen. They’ll discuss commodities from precious metals to uranium to energy to agriculture, and get Ole’s outlook on whether the deep correction we’ve seen in the commodity supercycle is over or not. https://bit.ly/3T3rypx   ⚫ Follow Ole on X: https://www.x.com/Ole_S_Hansen 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3XdTJED   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Visit OptionFinity: www.optionfinity.com   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Quadriga CIO and noted author Diego Parilla. They’ll discuss all the usual macro suspects, from whether the recent equity market dislocation was a flash in the pan or the start of a new bear market, Diego’s outlook for inflation, commodities, precious metals, and more. https://bit.ly/3X4Bd1p   ⚫ Follow Diego on X: https://www.x.com/ParrillaDiego 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3M9XNzD   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Louis-Vincent Gave. They discuss how rate cuts are likely by year’s end, the USD outlook, precious and base metals, uranium miners, China’s long-term energy policy and what this all means to the global economy. https://bit.ly/3WEO8pn   ⚫ Follow Louis on X: https://www.x.com/Gave_Vincent ⚫ Find Out More: https://web.gavekal.com/ 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/4dACC5j   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Rory Johnston. They discuss all things crude oil, ranging from President Trump’s claim that OPEC is working hard to get Kamala Harris elected to the ultimate growth limits of U.S. Shale. https://bit.ly/4ceTfSV   ⚫ Follow Rory Johnston on X: https://www.x.com/Rory_Johnston ⚫ Find Out More: https://www.commoditycontext.com/ 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3Ag1QaI   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH 🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Marko Papic. They will discuss the recent events in the U.S. and how they translate to an outlook and risk profile for financial markets. https://bit.ly/4fhn5sU   ⚫ Follow Marko Papic on X: https://www.x.com/Geo_Papic ⚫ Find Out More: https://www.bcaresearch.com/ 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3Yk6iPQ   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH   🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Lyn Alden. They’ll discuss topics ranging from inflation to interest rates to advanced nuclear reactors and AI. https://bit.ly/4d3UOUK   ⚫ Follow Lyn Alden on X: https://www.x.com/lynaldencontact ⚫ Find Out More: https://www.lynalden.com 🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/3WbYmgH   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/46Ul2FD    🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back,Variant Perception CEO Tian Yang. They’ll discuss the leading indicators, and what Tian thinks are the best trades to put on right now. https://bit.ly/3S2Q6Pc   ⚫ Follow Tian Yang on X: https://www.x.com/VrntPerception ⚫ Find Out More About Variant Perception: https://www.variantperception.com/   🔻Download Big Picture Trading Chartbook: 📈📉: https://bit.ly/4eWdN5o   ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/46Ul2FD    🔴 Subscribe to Patrick’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick_Ceresna   🔴 Subscribe to Erik's Substack: https://eriktownsend.substack.com/   🔴 Check out Energy Transition Crisis on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EnergyTransitionCrisis1   🔴 Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity   ✅ Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y   🔴 Subscribe to Nick’s Medium: https://medium.com/@ngalarnyk   Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
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Mermadone

Jeff is right about the debt. The problem is the public (boomers) won't vote to stop the money debt train. They are 100% to blame.

Mar 9th
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Nina Brown

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Feb 5th
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Mermadone

He didn't answer the question about debt. "Look at Italy, blah blah blah...growth"

Jan 18th
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Mermadone

why don't you guys mention plasma reactors to destroy nuclear waste?

Aug 18th
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kris bobo

Eric loving this so far! about time people start hearing the truth on wind and solar. if you haven't ran across https://www.hypersciences.com/ you should check them out. they are working on alternative drilling tech and have worked with Shell in the past. I'd like to hear your take on them vs the other drilling tech. thanks again

Jan 23rd
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Mike Coffey

This is first Macro Voices episode in years that I didn't enjoy. This globalist bastard is a detriment to MV's credibility.

Jan 12th
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Neu paradigm

damn this is based

Sep 9th
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Mermadone

Can someone please tell Townsend to speak less and let his guests speak more. I don't listen to this to hear him.

Apr 15th
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Jake Roseberry

I can't think of two more evil institutions....our federal government and central banks and this guest loves them.

Nov 8th
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Kris Min

he thinks dollars aren't used by criminal ha

Sep 10th
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Pa

Love it

Aug 22nd
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Richard Pop

snap this part 27:00

Jan 5th
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Bill Slikkerveer

Totally awesome pod...this one finally tied it all together.

Sep 4th
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Daniel Salafia

Fantastic podcast!!...i live in Australia and i got the info from ABC Bullion monthly investing reoprt from my email and gave this podcast a go...This is so informative and lots of valuable info...Highly recommended!!! Cheers Erik you made my day!!!

Jun 26th
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Chris Anderson

great interview, loved it!

Jun 16th
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Tj

erik so boring

Feb 10th
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Mermadone

This episode is probably the best in the last year! Very informative.

Jan 31st
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Bill Slikkerveer

consider George Goncalves /Bond Strategist w Snider/DiMartino...what a mix

Sep 24th
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Tom Winston

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Sep 2nd
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Bill Slikkerveer

How about Hedgeye...KM has received essentially free advertising by coming on the show, Real Vision

May 10th
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