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Jennie Allen is the 2x New York Times bestselling author of 'Find Your People' and 'Get Out Of Your Head'. She is also the founder and visionary of IF:Gathering. She is a passionate leader following God's call on her life to catalyze a generation to live what they believe. Jennie has a Masters in Biblical Studies from Dallas Theological Seminary and lives in Dallas, Texas, with her husband, Zac, and their four children. ________ SHORT. FUN. TRUTH. REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE STRUGGLES WE ARE FACING AND THE GOD THAT SETS US FREE. Two episodes release each week - one episode of Jennie teaching and one interview.

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This week, Jennie Allen is joined by renowned worship leader and songwriter Matt Redman. Matt has been instrumental in shaping worship for the last two decades, and in this episode, he shares how worship can be a powerful weapon in fighting the enemy. He also reflects on how the local church became a lifeline for him growing up and shaped his life of faith. In this authentic conversation, Jennie and Matt talk about the importance of living out our faith both in front of people and behind the scenes. If you're looking for inspiration to deepen your worship and stand strong in spiritual battles, don't miss this episode. Duncan & Stone makes the most beautiful journals for yourself or to gift! Save 20% on your first order at www.duncanandstone.com with code:madeforthis! Grab your favorite water bottles AND give back - shop www.simplemoder.com/madeforthis and no code is needed when you shop our favorites! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! Check out Matt's newest Album, Coming Back To The Heart! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This week, Jennie Allen is joined by her Gather teammate, Srikanth Srinivasan, to share his powerful story of coming to know Jesus and his journey from India to America. He also speaks passionately about what he believes is coming—a great awakening for the Church like never before. Don’t miss his inspiring testimony and insights into how God is working. Plus, Sri highlights the significance of Gather25, and why this event is something you won't want to miss! March 1, 2025, Gather25 will go live from every continent as we tell stories from the Global Church. We have a 2.5 million dollar match and we need your help to meet it. Be a part of the biggest group project ever www.gather25.com/give. HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Christmas Shopping? Shop all our Simple Modern Favorites - No code necessary! Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This week, Jennie Allen is joined by Dr. Pamela Pyle, board-certified physician and author of the upcoming book Anticipating Heaven. Dr. Pyle, who also serves on the board of Africa New Life, shares her unique perspective on death and eternity, both as a doctor and a believer. In this episode, they discuss the confidence we can have when living with the hope of heaven. Whether facing a diagnosis, aging, or walking alongside someone nearing death, this conversation is filled with compassion and insight. Dr. Pyle explores how anticipating heaven gives us hope as we prepare to return to our eternal home with Jesus. If you or someone you love is walking through suffering, this episode will provide comfort, ease fears, and encourage you to hold on to the hope of heaven. Save 15% on your Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit when you use code MADEFORTHIS at branchbasics.com/MadeforThis We are grateful for Simple Modern making this season possible! Shop our favorites AND personalize them. No Code is necessary - Shop here! And don't forget - they exist to be generous ...it's our favorite thing about them! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Shop all our Simple Modern Favorites - No code necessary! Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! Pre-Order Dr. Pamela Pyle's book CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this special, short episode, Jennie joins us via a voice memo while on the road, sharing how she’s navigating spiritual warfare in real time. This raw and encouraging conversation touches on how faith and disappointment can coexist in the life of a believer. Simple Modern is changing the gift-giving game and we are starting our shopping with all our favorite things at the top of our lists! Shop Jennie's favorites and get 20% off HERE!! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Shop all our Simple Modern Favorites - No code necessary! Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! Learn more about Gather25! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In today's episode, Jennie talks with Dallas Jenkins about his newest project, The Best Christmas Pageant Ever. For Dallas, this film is more than nostalgic entertainment; it’s the fulfillment of a calling. After years of praying for the chance to tell this story, he brings the Christmas message to life, sharing the true meaning of "unto you a child is born." Dallas believes that Christ came for everyone, especially the outsider and the overlooked.  Dallas also opens up about the challenges of surrendering outcomes to God, especially in a success-driven world. He shares how he’s learned to offer his "five loaves and two fish" and leave the rest in God’s hands, a lesson that has been central to both The Chosen and The Best Christmas Pageant Ever. Through storytelling, Dallas hopes to remove barriers that people often face with faith, presenting Jesus in a way that is both authentic and accessible. Don’t miss The Best Christmas Pageant Ever in theaters on November 8th! Christmas with Simple Modern – Let Simple Modern make your gift-giving merry and bright this year by shopping Jennie's favorites for 20% off! Plus, 10 percent of all profits go to charity, spreading cheer far beyond the holidays. Simple Modern, it’s good everywhere. HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Shop all our Simple Modern Favorites - No code necessary! Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! Watch The Best Christmas Pageant Ever Official Trailer CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jennie on Loneliness

Jennie on Loneliness

2024-11-0519:09

On today’s episode of Made For This, Jennie opens up about isolation and why God’s plan is for us to live in community with one another. Through the story of a man who was the only believer in his town, Jennie reflects on her own struggles with withdrawal, even when surrounded by a vibrant church and loving friends.  Jennie ends with a prayer for everyone feeling alone and leaves us with a challenge: Make the call, send the message, and share your heart. When we choose connection, healing begins. Christmas with Simple Modern – Discover four beautiful festive designs perfect for gifts and cozy moments by the fire all season long. Shop Jennie's favorites and get 20% off HERE!! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Shop all our Simple Modern Favorites - No code necessary! Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! Learn more about Gather25! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This week on Made For This, Jennie Allen sits down with Mart Green, founder and CEO of Mardel Christian Stores, to explore the transformative power of generational generosity and intimacy with God. Their conversation delves into how true generosity is a direct response to following Jesus, and Mart reflects on his three core values, reminding us that “we exist to give it away.” Mart also shares insights from his new book, co-authored with David Bowden, Learning to Be Loved: The Everyday Believer's Guide to a Rich Relationship with God. He emphasizes that you don’t have to chase after intimacy with God; He is actively pursuing you! To wrap up the episode, Mart offers encouragement and practical steps for anyone feeling distant from God. You won’t want to miss it! Are you looking for a place to preserve those precious memories of your kids? Duncan & Stone has a special offer just for you to enjoy their journals - get 20% off your first order with code: MADEFORTHIS! Head to duncanandstone.com to start your memory-making journey. Go to simplemodern.com/madeforthis to see an entire page of Jennie's Simple Modern favorites. Her entire collection is 20% off, which is an exclusive for Simple Modern's Made for This fans. No code is even necessary, visit simplemodern.com/madeforthis and the code is automatically applied when you add Jennie's favorites to your cart! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! Get a copy of Mart and David's book Learning to Be Loved. Resources from Mart Green, including Gateways of Intimacy. CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This week, Jennie Allen shares a powerful teaching on spiritual warfare from her home church (Watermark) at their Young Adult gathering, The Porch. Pastor Timothy Ateek sets the stage as Jennie dives into the reality of the unseen war around us. Jennie reminds us of the call to be alert and sober-minded, as 1 Peter 4:8 instructs. We can't ignore the battle God has invited us into. She also addresses two common lies: that either everything is the devil, or nothing is. The enemy’s greatest desire is to go unnoticed, but we must be vigilant, recognize his schemes, and fight back. Don’t coast—join the battle as a follower of Jesus! Did you know Simple Modern is incredibly generous?! It's one of the MANY reasons we love the company and its products! No Code is necessary - Shop here! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This week, Jennie Allen is joined by our friend John Eldredge, and they’re diving deep into the realities of spiritual attack and authority. Right from the start, John teaches us how to pray over our homes and lives, giving us practical tools. He also tackles a question that many of us wonder about: How do you know when it’s a spiritual attack? In this conversation, we hope you’re equipped to recognize the enemy’s schemes and push back the darkness with the authority given to you through Jesus and the power of God's Word. Save 15% on your Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit when you use code MADEFORTHIS at branchbasics.com/MadeforThis We are grateful for Simple Modern making this season possible! Shop our favorites AND personalize them. No Code is necessary - Shop here! And don't forget - they exist to be generous ...it's our favorite thing about them! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! Listen to John's Podcast, Wild At Heart, or grab his newest book, Resilient CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this special episode, we pulled Jennie Allen’s powerful talk from IF:Gathering 2023. Jennie opens up about a season in her life where she felt utterly exhausted and shares a thought-provoking question: What if God were coming back in 10 years? How would we live differently? How would we show up? Throughout this talk, Jennie dives into the two questions that have been transformative for her: God, what do you want me to know? and What do you want me to do? And don’t miss the moment when she begins to read Ephesians 6 at the end—it’s a strong reminder of the reality of spiritual warfare and the armor of God. We are grateful for Simple Modern making this season possible! Shop our favorites AND personalize them. No Code is necessary - Shop here! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Get tickets to join MADE FOR THIS LIVE on Jan 24th! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode, Jennie talks with Jonathan Almonte, Manager of Support Engagement for Compassion in the Dominican Republic. Jonathan shares his powerful story, not just about growing up in poverty, but the spiritual warfare and demonic worship often tied to it. He speaks about how the local church, with the support of Compassion, transformed his life and the lives of many others in his community. Jonathan emphasizes that sponsorship is not just a transactional act—it’s bigger than that. The children and families supported by Compassion need of more than just material resources; they are in need of Jesus. Jonathan also opens up about emotional poverty and how something as simple as letters from his sponsor had a life-changing impact on him. This is a story of hope, faith, and the incredible work God is doing through Compassion and the local church. Join us in partnership with Compassion to release children from Poverty. Text JENNIE to 83393 and we will send you send you a picture of a child! We are grateful for Simple Modern making this season possible! Shop our favorites AND personalize them. No Code is necessary - Shop here! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this week’s episode, Jennie Allen is joined by Priscilla Shirer to talk about her latest movie, The Forge, which centers on the theme of discipleship. This conversation will challenge you to rethink the influence you have on those around you—don’t underestimate it! Priscilla also shares about her new book, I Surrender All, where she asks a powerful question: What are you more devoted to than Jesus? This episode will inspire you to reflect on your own heart and surrender more fully to God. Don’t miss the episode’s closing, where Priscilla leads a powerful prayer. Join us for our first-ever Made For This LIVE event on January 24th in Dallas, TX. Joining Jennie will be Jonathan Pokluda, Shane & Shane, Davy Flowers, Clint Bruce, and more! Get tickets before they are released to the public next week! Purchase here! One of our favorite Simple Modern products is their coffee tumbler...and it's the season to use on! Grab it for 20% off and no code is necessary since it's on our favorites page! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Purchase a copy of Priscilla's new book, I Surrender All and watch The Forge! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube| Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this week’s episode, Jennie sits down with Lysa TerKeurst to talk about trust! If you’ve ever found yourself struggling to trust people—whether from hurt, disappointment, or even just annoyance—this conversation is for you. Lysa dives into the difference between foolish trust and wise trust, sharing some of the red flags to watch for in relationships. They also tackle some of the biggest questions we all face when it comes to trusting others and what to do when that trust is broken. Lysa wraps up with a powerful prayer and offers practical tools to help you move forward and heal. Duncan & Stone have a special offer just for you to enjoy their journals - get 20% off your first order with code: MADEFORTHIS! Head to duncanandstone.com to start your memory-making journey. HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Order Lysa's newest book - I Want to Trust You, but I Don't - Now available! Go to simplemodern.com/madeforthis to see an entire page of Jennie's Simple Modern favorites. Her entire collection is 20% off, which is an exclusive for Simple Modern's Made for This fans. No code is even necessary, visit simplemodern.com/madeforthis and the code is automatically applied when you add Jennie's favorites to your cart! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In today’s episode, Jennie takes us into the fascinating world of angels. Too often, we understand angels through cultural ideas rather than what Scripture says, so Jennie breaks it down with biblical truth - drawing on what she learned from her seminary class in Angelology. This conversation is a powerful reminder that we are part of a much bigger story and that God has assigned angels to protect, defend, and fight for us. The takeaway? You matter so much to God that He has angels on your side! Have you shopped our favorite Simple Modern Products yet? Shop at www.simplemodern.com/madeforthis for 20% off (no code needed)...and check out the new Harvest Collection! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Join the Global Gathering of the Church on March 1st! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jennie and Phylicia Masonheimer dive into the reality of spiritual warfare and how the gospel is ultimately a story of a spiritual battle between God and evil. They discuss how to discern when we’re under spiritual attack and provide practical ways to combat it. Compassion brings real solutions to the poverty that so many children in today’s world face… all in Jesus Name, always in partnership with the local church and through the generosity of sponsors like you and me. Learn more about Compassion and sponsor a child! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Get to know Phylicia and Every Woman a Theologian Shop all our Simple Modern Favorites - code necessary! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jennie takes us deeper into the topic of spiritual warfare by discussing demons and sharing personal stories and encounters. When we recognize that we are in a spiritual battle, and we understand who the enemy is, we can start to use the strategies, weapons, and resources God has given us to fight differently. We pray that this conversation will stir up our faith and help us see the battle around us more clearly. Shop Simple Modern's Made For This favorites and get 20% off in your cart - no code needed! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Join the Global Gathering of the Church on March 1st! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jennie sits down with Jonathan Pokluda and Tonya Prewett to dive into the heart of UNITE, a powerful college revival sweeping across universities. What began as a dream has evolved into a movement of obedience, igniting a passion for Jesus in the next generation. Jonathan and Tonya share inspiring behind-the-scenes stories of how UNITE started and why they believe America is primed for a revival like we’ve never seen before—led by Gen Z. With intentionality and purpose behind every step they take, they explore the depth of what God is doing on college campuses and how each of us can be a part of it. Compassion brings real solutions to the poverty that so many children in today’s world face… all in Jesus Name, always in partnership with the local church and through the generosity of sponsors like you and me. Learn more about Compassion and sponsor a child! HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and the team Learn more about Unite and upcoming dates! Shop our favorite Simple Modern Products! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this first teaching of the season, Jennie shares the reality of spiritual warfare and how we’re all in a battle. She reminds us that while Jesus is coming back, the enemy is actively fighting for our souls. But we don’t need to be afraid because prayer is our most powerful weapon. When we understand the enemy, how he schemes, and what the Bible says about evil, we’re better equipped to fight for ourselves and the people we love. HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Jenne's newest devotional is available today! Order Stop The Spiral! Join the Global Gathering of the Church on March 1st! Shop our favorite Simple Modern Products! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode of the Made For This podcast, Jennie Allen is joined by pastor and author Tyler Staton for a deep and thoughtful conversation on faith, prayer, and the unseen spiritual realm.  Together, Jennie and Tyler explore the importance of acknowledging the unseen world that exists alongside our daily lives, particularly through the lens of Christian faith. They discuss how prayer is a powerful means of joining Jesus in His fight to reclaim all of creation and also the tension between surrendering to divine will and participating in God's plan through prayer, offering rich insights into spiritual warfare. Don’t miss this thought-provoking conversation that will encourage you to engage more deeply in your prayer life and spiritual journey.  Save 15% on your Premium Starter Kit when you use code MADEFORTHIS at BranchBasics.com/MadeforThis HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Get to know Tyler and Pre-Order Pre-Order - https://www.tylerstaton.com/ Join the Global Gathering of the Church on March 1st! Shop our favorite Simple Modern Products! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this powerful kickoff to Season 18 of the Made For This podcast, Jennie Allen sits down with Josh Youssef, President of Help The Persecuted, to discuss the unimaginable challenges faced by persecuted Christians across the Middle East. Together, they dive into the realities of faith under fire, sharing stories of believers who continue to stand strong despite suffering for their faith. Joining them is a pastor who shares his first hand account and experience of living in the Middle East who could flee, but chooses to stay to share the good news of the Gospel. This episode is an eye-opening invitation to not only learn about the persecution many Christians face but also take action to support and uplift the global church. Don’t miss this important conversation. HELPFUL LINKS: Join the newsletter | Sign up for texts from Jennie and team Learn more about Help The Persecuted and how to pray and partner! Join the Global Gathering of the Church on March 1st! Shop our favorite Simple Modern Products! CONNECT ON SOCIALS: Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | TikTok | Pinterest Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Kim Weisenbach Albushies

I grew up listening to my dad reading from Max Lucado's books. When he finished reading we would all would say, "Boy, he writes well!" My mom passed away in September and I thought I was solid, but I suddenly needed to KNOW where she was and what she was doing. I knew God had her and I loved to imagine her in her new home- made just right. To hear Max say that she is in Heaven (not sleeping), tears sprang to my eyes and my heart leapt. So greatful for those words.

Jul 31st
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Claudia Jeynn Neyra Flores

I've just found you and I can't stop listening to you!

Apr 25th
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Valarie Kuipers

Thank you so much for sharing! This is me! I have a 6, 4, 2 and almost 1yr old. Jennie and chloe's words hit to my soul. Thankful for a Jesus whose love is full of mercy and compassion.

Nov 9th
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Margie Coursey

wow

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Aimee Spector

This is so good! Faith also comes by speaking the Promise not the Problem! Speak His promises over your life, and you will put a seed into the ground that grows very rapidly.

Oct 16th
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Aimee Spector

I asked the Lord what He wanted me to listen to, and I was led to this. This was exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you so much Jennie and Nick!

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Aimee Spector

Hi Jennie, I am a 19 years old. I want to say thank you for the work that you’re doing. As I listen to this, I am so in awe of our God and how He’s moving in one of the most dangerous countries in the world. I am going to commit to praying for our Afghan brothers and sisters every single day. God has awakened me. Thank you.

Aug 24th
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Laura G Hayes

thank you for sharing! I needed this today!!

Jul 26th
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Anita Howard

Jeannie Allen, I love you wholeheartedly! You have transformed my life for the better. I thank God for this podcast and hate that I was late subscribing to it. Thank you thank you thank you❤️🙏🏾❤️

Jul 9th
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Brandy H

I love this podcast. I love the enthusiasm in your voice, I love that I can too cry the same tears you cry, I love your love for the Lord and HIS word, I love that you are real, raw and you don't hold anything back. Can we be friends please?!? Even if not, I'm glad God can still use you to be a HUGE blessing in my life. Thank you for caring and sharing!!! Blessings!!!

Oct 27th
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Misty Hickey

Wow! Jill is amazing! There were alot of things she said that spoke to my mind heart and soul. The one that will always stick with me is "Courage is fear we prayed on". Im not a crier at all but by the end of the prayers I was balling. Thank you to both of you, Jennie for being Jill to me and Jill for saying what you did.

Jul 29th
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chelsabeth623

i love the music behind this episode. it really transformed this prayer and meditation for me. so good!

Apr 27th
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Jennifer Pitcher Pina

Wow!!!! Absolutely incredible interview

Feb 21st
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Jennifer Pitcher Pina

I am so grateful for this podcast! Thank you for fighting for us!

Feb 20th
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Jennifer Pitcher Pina

Wow!! That was fantastic!! I am going to listen again because there was so much truth. Thanks for this awesome podcast.

Feb 18th
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Jennifer Pitcher Pina

This was fantastic! Thank you

Jan 27th
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Liza Van Zyl Santos

Jennie is so easy to listen too. Everything points to Jesus and having more of Him in my life. Super practical and honest, I have grown and loved this podcast and I am picky 😉

Nov 27th
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Sarah Lathrop

I could listen to Miss Thelma talk forever! Love this episode.

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Margie Coursey

love the podcast Jennie & friends! thanks for the inspiring. challenging, real, informative bible-based discussions and practical suggestions! keep me coming!

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Meg B

I am so grateful for this podcast. It gives me a boost of joy when I listen.

Aug 20th
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