Making Chips Podcast for Manufacturing Leaders

As we close out 2025, we're wrapping up more than just a year. This episode marks the conclusion of the Machine Shop MBA series, a collaboration with CLA and Modern Machine Shop built around insights from the Top Shops benchmarking program. What started as a practical exploration of shop metrics ends with a much bigger question: what truly separates shops that survive from shops that endure? For this final chapter, we're joined again by Brent Donaldson of Modern Machine Shop, who helped kick off the series earlier in the year. Drawing from hundreds of shop visits and years of benchmarking data, Brent helps us connect the dots across operations, finance, leadership, and strategy. Together, we reflect on a clear shift happening across manufacturing: moving away from pure "rise and grind" thinking and toward intentionally designed systems. Throughout the episode, we revisit five deceptively simple questions pulled directly from the Top Shops survey. These questions challenge assumptions and expose where real opportunity lives. From RFQ response time and revenue per employee to reinvestment discipline, standardized scheduling, and succession planning, each one reinforces a central theme we've explored all year. Rather than chasing the next machine or relying on one big customer, the most resilient shops we see are building repeatable processes, measuring what matters, and reducing dependence on tribal knowledge. This conversation serves as both a reflection on what we've learned through the Machine Shop MBA series and a call to action as we head into 2026. If there's one takeaway we hope sticks, it's this: the shops that last aren't just collections of people and equipment. They are systems. Designed on purpose. Improved on purpose. And built to outlast any one individual. Segments (0:00) Wrapping up 2025 and closing out the Machine Shop MBA series (0:36) Why we created the series and partnered with CLA and Modern Machine Shop (2:25) Why you need to head to the 2026 IMTS Exhibitor Workshop (4:34) The shift from viewing shops as machines and people to viewing them as systems (7:52) Moving from survival mode to disciplined, systems-based thinking (12:33) Top Shops Question #1: RFQ response time as a competitive advantage (15:55) Top Shops Question #2: Revenue per employee as a true efficiency metric (17:15) What's Your Method? The unique financing process with Methods Machine Tools (26:47) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (27:37) How automation, workholding, and systems increase output per person (32:16) Top Shops Question #3: Reinvesting in equipment, software, and training (36:50) Why consistent reinvestment beats sporadic big spending (37:51) Top Shops Question #4: Standardized scheduling versus tribal knowledge (40:22) How poor systems create stress and constant firefighting (43:05) Top Shops Question #5: Leadership and ownership transition planning (46:01) The Top Shops 2026 Benchmarking survey opens February 1st, 2026 (47:27) How benchmarking accelerates maturity and reveals real gaps (48:19) How we use the Top Shops survey as part of annual strategic planning (49:19) Looking ahead to 2026 and continued collaboration (50:00) Why we love the SMW Autoblok catalog and quality (51:11) Final call to action and why benchmarking matters Resources mentioned on this episode Why you need to head to the 2026 IMTS Exhibitor Workshop What's Your Method? The financing process with Methods Machine Tools The Top Shops 2026 Benchmarking survey opens February 1st, 2026 Check out the SMW Autoblok catalog and quality Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Some episodes are planned. Others are produced. And then there are episodes like this one—where the setting, the people, and the moment all collide into something memorable. For the 500th episode of MakingChips, the team gathered once again At the Boring Bar for an unfiltered, bourbon-fueled roundtable with leaders from across the manufacturing ecosystem. Recorded live at Roush Yates Manufacturing Solutions during the Top Shops Conference in Charlotte, this special annual episode brings together shop owners, executives, advisors, and industry partners for the kinds of conversations that usually happen after the microphones are turned off. The drinks are poured, the guardrails come down, and the real stories start to flow. What emerges is an honest discussion about what truly separates top-performing shops from the rest. Not hype. Not buzzwords. But culture, systems, communication, and the discipline to do the hard things consistently—especially when cash flow is tight, customers are demanding, and complexity is rising. From benchmarking through the Top Shops survey to navigating OEM power dynamics, cash flow strain, customer communication, and the maturity of manufacturing as an industry, this conversation reflects how far the industry has come—and how far it still needs to go. Along the way, there are laughs, sharp takes, personal stories, and more than a few lessons earned the hard way. This is At the Boring Bar. And for Episode 500, it's exactly where the MakingChips conversation belongs. Segments (0:00) Setting the scene at Roush Yates Manufacturing Solutions during Top Shops (1:47) Introductions from shop leaders, OEMs, advisors, and industry partners (6:14) What actually separates Top Shops from the middle of the pack (10:15) Core values, culture, and leadership maturity (15:57) IMTS, trade shows, and the pressure to bring something new (22:06) Marketing, differentiation, and industry buzzwords (26:00) AI, automation, and separating real value from hype (31:51) Cash flow realities and long payment terms (37:15) OEM power dynamics and positioning as a second source (45:57) Communication as a competitive advantage (55:40) Systems, standards, and operational discipline (1:02:10) Data visibility, professionalism, and rising expectations (1:12:45) Scaling culture, teams, and leadership (1:26:45) Developing people and building trust (1:37:15) Industry maturity and cross-industry learning (1:47:45) Final reflections from At the Boring Bar Resources mentioned on this episode CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Top Shops IMTS 2026 Methods Machine Tools Connect With the Guests/Hosts Isaac Burton Jason Davis Nick Goellner Mike Payne Paul Van Metre Jamie Marzilli Leslie Boyd Jon Star Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

What happens when a machine shop does everything right operationally but still feels exposed when markets shift, customers pull back, or one industry cools overnight? In this episode of MakingChips, the conversation turns squarely toward one of the most uncomfortable and misunderstood areas of manufacturing leadership: proactive sales and diversification. We're joined by Gabe Draper, founder of Factur, and Alan Hartmann, CEO of Hartmann's Inc., a multi-generation Texas manufacturer. Gabe shares a raw and honest origin story that starts with growing up in a manufacturing family, fighting to save a struggling shop, riding the oil and gas rollercoaster, and ultimately losing nearly everything when the downturn hit. That experience became the catalyst for building Factur, a company designed to help shops avoid reactive, last-minute sales cycles by intentionally filling their pipeline. Alan brings the perspective of a well-run, highly capable shop that realized success alone wasn't protection. With major customers concentrated in just a few industries, Hartmann's needed diversification, not because business was slow, but because resilience matters. Through their partnership with Factur, Alan explains how proactive sales, clearer positioning, and market intelligence led to rapid customer growth, industry expansion, and the confidence to invest in new capabilities. We unpack the difference between scarcity and abundance mindsets, why most shops accidentally commoditize themselves, and how sales, operations, and finance must work together as equal legs of the stool. From aerospace and medical to space flight and Swiss machining, this episode offers a candid look at how manufacturers can stop waiting for the phone to ring and start taking control of their future. Segments (0:00) Holiday banter and introducing guests Gabe Draper and Alan Hartmann  (4:32) Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (5:09) Gabe Draper's origin story and what led to founding Factur (10:53) The danger of customer and industry concentration (13:55) Alan Hartmann's multi-generation shop story and long-term customer relationships (18:22) Reactive vs proactive sales and why diversification matters (22:31) Breaking down Factur's full sales funnel (26:03) Why technical "hunters" outperform generalist sales roles (28:16) "What's Your Method": Aerospace Success with Zach from Methods (34:50) Check out the SMW Autoblok catalog for your workholding  (36:04) Choosing the right sales and marketing services with Factur (40:02) Scarcity vs abundance mindset in shop growth (42:58) Using sales insights to justify equipment investments (46:05) How one new customer quickly became a top account (48:37) Managing risk across aerospace, medical, and space markets (51:11) Filling your capacity with the right work first (55:30) Sales specialization as shops scale (56:22) How manufacturers can engage Factur for market intelligence (1:00:13) Talent challenges and Hire MFG Leaders Resources mentioned on this episode Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Methods Machine Tools  Check out the SMW Autoblok catalog for your workholding  Get your free market intel report at https://facturmfg.com/chips/ Hire your next leader using our recruiting service—Hire MFG Leaders Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Some conversations feel scripted. This one… absolutely did not. Larry Robbins walked in ready to talk life, passion, family, culture, workholding, philosophy, and whatever else popped into his head — and somehow it all connected back to manufacturing. This episode of MakingChips is one of the most unhinged, hilarious, honest, and wisdom-packed conversations we've ever recorded. Larry has been in the industry for nearly 46 years, and he's collected enough stories, scars, and laughs for ten careers. From his father dragging him into the business ("long hair doesn't work here") to his famous explanation that SMW makes "magic hands," Larry blends humor and experience into lessons every shop owner needs to hear. His passion for the industry is unmatched — and his candor is even better. Throughout the episode, the crew dives into culture, leadership, lying (don't), modularity, flexibility, high-density workholding, predictable setups, financing equipment, and why you should stop crawling across a dollar to pick up a dime. Larry opens up about the future of manufacturing, warns against bad advice, and reminds everyone that machining touches every single thing in the world. If you're ready for an episode that's equal parts educational and unhinged in the best possible way, buckle up — Larry Robbins is in rare form. Segments (1:00) Larry's background, early failures, and the stories that shaped his approach to leadership (3:31) An investment in ProShop is an investment in your business (3:32) Culture, loving your work, and leadership lessons (5:07) Entering the family business, retirement humor, and long-term commitment (7:23) The reality of workplace culture, honesty, and handling difficult employees (10:02) Integrity, truth-telling, and early lessons on character (13:18) Appreciating machinists and the unseen parts of manufacturing (15:05) Workholding vs. cutting tools and why workholding matters more than people think (16:09) "Magic hands" — Larry's explanation of workholding for a 5-year-old (17:20) Workholding misconceptions and the cost of poor setups (19:00) Vendor trust, trying equipment, and choosing partnerships wisely (20:22) Setup reduction, rigidity vs. flexibility, and predictable processes (22:12) Cutting 12-hour setups and the value of internal vs. external setups (24:16) Why we love Phoenix Heat Treating for Outside Processing (25:24) Expensive machines + cheap vices = lost potential (27:26) Modular workholding, infinite adjustment, and the origins of the industry (29:18) When not to sell a customer — long-term trust over short-term gain (30:19) Why shops "don't know what they don't know" about proper workholding (31:58) Financing workholding and proving ROI to shop owners (33:09) Tooling certs and buying the solution, not just the machine (35:24) High-density workholding and maximizing machine real estate (37:12) Protecting customers from bad investments and the role of good vendors (38:01) The LEGO analogy and building reusable workholding systems (40:13) Trusting experts and using the right resources in decision-making (41:19) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (41:57) Buzzwords like Industry 4.0 vs. solving real problems (43:49) Competing with global labor costs and running unattended (44:19) Extending the life of old machines with better processes (46:41) Universal truth: If you're not making chips, you're not making money  Resources mentioned on this episode Connect with Larry Robbins and SMW Autoblok An investment in ProShop is an investment in your business Why we love Phoenix Heat Treating for Outside Processing Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Smart Money Moves: Equipment Financing Tips with Ty Willis Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

In this special episode of MakingChips, we broadcast from the EBITDA Growth Systems Double Your Value Planning Event—a gathering designed to pull shop owners out of the day-to-day grind and force intentional thinking about long-term growth. This year's event was hosted at the Sandvik Coromant facility in Mebane, North Carolina, creating a perfect backdrop for conversations about planning, strategy, and culture. Paul is joined by three key voices who bring decades of hard-earned manufacturing wisdom: Jim Carr, a founding voice of MakingChips; Zach Overton, who is deep in the trenches of leading a multi-generation shop through transition and growth; and David Capkovitz, co-founder of EBITDA Growth Systems, whose strategic coaching framework is the backbone of this entire event. They pull back the curtain on why the event exists, how planning actually becomes actionable, and how shops can double their value in three years. Together, they dive into the realities every manufacturer faces—financial blind spots, operational challenges, cultural shifts, succession dilemmas, and the emotional weight of leadership. David's perspective as a coach blends seamlessly with Jim and Zach's lived experiences, creating a conversation that's equal parts strategic and deeply human. This episode highlights why stepping away from the shop floor is often the missing link for achieving the next level of growth. Whether you're planning for 2026, building resilience for a generational handoff, or simply trying to stop fighting fires, the insights shared here offer a clear direction forward. And yes—there's also a Cheerwine Old Fashioned or two. If you're ready to plan your next chapter with more clarity and confidence, this episode gives you the mindset and the roadmap to get started. Segments (0:00) Setting the scene: EGS happy hour, heaters, and Cheerwine Old Fashioneds (1:11) Paul and Jim revisit the origins of MakingChips and Jim's full-circle moment (2:35) What the Double Your Value Planning Event is & how it's grown under EGS (3:32) Introducing Zach Overton and his connections with Paul & Jim (4:36) Jim's memories and insights from advanced machining processes (6:38) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (7:14) David explains why EGS created the event and its planning philosophy (10:23) The power of peer-to-peer conversations among manufacturers (11:54) Identifying obstacles to growth and building criticality assessments (13:15) Zach shares his takeaways from stepping out of day-to-day firefighting (15:26) Jim describes how EGS supports Carr Machine as a Fractional CFO (18:08) Lighter moments: drink taste-testing and event humor (19:53) Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP (21:27) Zach explains how David coaches Overton Industries operationally (24:15) How manufacturers can start planning intentionally for 2026 (28:08) Why shop owners need guidance, accountability, and encouragement (30:11) Culture as the foundation of growth: reflections on Mike Hirsh's talk (32:13) Jim's transformation story: shifting from a lifestyle business to scalable growth (36:21) Why you need to check out the SMW Autoblok catalog (37:31) Did older generations only want lifestyle businesses? (39:00) Zach on pushing back in automotive to protect margins (40:38) Navigating multi-owner family decisions and succession complexity (42:12) David reflects on the personal relationships EGS builds with clients Resources mentioned on this episode Connect with EBITA Growth Systems Connect with Jim Carr on LinkedIn Connect with David Capkovitz on LinkedIn Connect with Zach Overton on LinkedIn Connect with Mike Hirsh on LinkedIn Peter Doyle on Machine Shop MBA and Machine Shop Mastery MC070: Leadership, Action, and a British Accent – with Sean Holt Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP Why you need to check out the SMW Autoblok catalog Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

In this episode of MakingChips, we sit down with Charlie Hushek, President of Phoenix Heat Treating, whose family has been in the heat-Treating world for over a century. Charlie is a fifth-generation heat Treatinger—but his leadership story is anything but inherited. When he stepped into the business in 2020, he wasn't handed stability. He was handed a crisis. Within a matter of months, Phoenix Heat Treating lost its NADCAP certification—twice—suffered major operational setbacks, faced COVID turmoil, and endured the tragic loss of their general manager. For a company where more than 70% of revenue is tied to regulated aerospace work, this wasn't a stumble. It was a free fall. And it forced Charlie into leadership far earlier—and far harder—than he expected. But instead of shrinking from the challenge, Charlie transformed it into a total rebuild. He redesigned their QMS from the ground up, implemented true systems thinking, rewrote cultural standards, and introduced transparent, performance-driven practices that aligned every employee around shared values. The result? A thriving business, a revitalized culture, and a blueprint for how to rebuild a manufacturing company under extreme pressure. In this raw and energizing conversation, Charlie shares how Phoenix Heat Treatinging went from chaos to clarity, how culture becomes a competitive advantage, and what it takes to lead a team through uncertainty, fear, and burnout—and come out stronger on the other side. If you're leading a shop through change, growth, or crisis, this episode is a masterclass. Segments (1:29) Charlie's fifth-generation family history and the Phoenix Heat Treating story (2:19) The beginnings of Wesley Steel Treating and early industrial growth (3:43) Check out SMW Autoblok's massive catalog of products (5:15) Heat Treating as a long-standing, often overlooked "shadow industry" (5:45) Phoenix Heat Treating's early years, the move to Arizona, and generational transitions (7:34) Charlie's introduction to the business, working second shift, and learning operations (8:53) Phoenix Heat Treating's modern operations: five shifts, fast turn times, and business units (10:40) The importance of NADCAP certification and the challenges that come with losing it (12:45) Climbing out of crisis, stabilizing the business, and confronting hard truths (18:55) Internal emotions, team reactions, turnover, and the "burn the boats" mentality (22:06) Rebuilding from 50 employees to 80 through culture, transparency, and momentum (23:30) How primes issued waivers and partnered with Phoenix during the crisis (25:17) Working with customers to maintain flow on critical aerospace and defense parts (27:42) What's Your Method? 30-taper machines (34:43) The honesty and transparency you'll experience working with Phoenix Heat Treating (35:55) Building culture from the ground up and defining core values (39:01) Using employee surveys to define core values: teamwork, positivity, detail, work ethic (41:38) Embedding culture in hiring, onboarding, and daily expectations (45:30) Profit sharing, pay transparency, and rewarding performance (49:20) Applying the playbook to the newly purchased machine shop (52:53) Incentivizing change and gaining buy-in through aligned rewards (54:45) The importance of defining winning, alignment, and standards (58:23) Why we created Hire MFG Leaders (and why you should use it) (58:50) Charlie's "playbook," open-book management, and The Great Game of Business Resources mentioned on this episode The honesty and transparency you'll experience working with Phoenix Heat Treating Connect with Charlie Hushek on LinkedIn Where to check out SMW Autoblok's massive catalog of products Why we created Hire MFG Leaders (and why you should use it) The Great Game of Business Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Top Shops 2025 brought together the most innovative, forward-thinking leaders in manufacturing—and this year's gathering at the NASCAR Hall of Fame felt like stepping directly into the winners' circle. Surrounded by the energy of hundreds of top-tier manufacturers, we sat down with the four shops recognized as the crème de la crème in their categories: Technology, Shopfloor Technology, Business Strategy, and Human Resources. Together, these honorees represent what's possible when ambition meets execution. In this special episode of MakingChips, recorded live in Charlotte, we talk with each winner about the decisions, investments, philosophies, and people that drove their rise to the top. From multimachine pallet-tech automation and Swiss machining efficiency to bold equipment investments and workforce strategies that transform culture, each story reveals a different path to excellence. Yet all four shops share a mindset of curiosity, courage, and relentless improvement. Throughout these conversations, we explore how technology becomes a competitive advantage, how small teams can deliver massive output, why unconventional business strategies can pay off, and how employee-first leadership becomes the backbone of success. Every guest brings candor, humor, and real-world wisdom—showing that you don't become a Top Shop by accident. Whether you're just starting your Top Shops journey or are already benchmarking in the top percentile, you'll walk away from this episode energized, inspired, and equipped with ideas you can put into practice immediately. Because these shops aren't just winning awards—they're redefining what modern manufacturing looks like. Segments (0:48) Opening from the NASCAR Hall of Fame at Top Shops 2025 (1:28) What are the Top Shops award categories and how does the survey work? (2:19) Why investing in ProShop is an investment in your business (3:56) A conversation with Joey Jones on Aerotech Machining and their award (9:17) The details of Aerotech Machining's automation journey  (12:47) Introducing Jayme Rahz of Midway Swiss Turn and their shop floor practices award (15:03) When robotics become accessible and feasible for Midway Swiss Turn (18:59) How do you train new employees with no Swiss experience? (19:50) Staying niche instead of chasing high-volume work (22:02) Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (22:40) Mike Bauer with Marathon Precision on winning the Business Strategy award  (25:13) Why Mike buys machines before having the work (his spiderweb method) (30:27) Machine count, headcount, and shop expansion history (31:40) Consolidating two businesses and retraining all employees (32:40) Allison Giddens joins the conversation and introduces Win-Tech (34:44) Implementing a 4×10 schedule and early challenges (37:23) Using the Top Shops survey for benchmarking and improvement (40:17) Building culture and partnering with local trade schools (41:22) Challenges in technical education and the need for better instructors (45:53) Why you should listen to the Lights Out podcast Resources mentioned on this episode Why investing in ProShop is an investment in your business Connect with Joey Jones with Aerotech Machining (Technology award) Introducing Jayme Rahz of Midway Swiss Turn and their shop floor practices award Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Michael Bauer with Marathon Precision on winning the Business Strategy award  Allison Giddens joins the conversation and introduces Win-Tech Complete the 2026 Top Shops Survey and see us at Top Shops 2026! Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

When you walk into IMTS—the International Manufacturing Technology Show—it's easy to be awestruck by the machines, the energy, and the sheer scale. But few people realize just how much planning, logistics, and collaboration go into bringing that experience to life. In this episode of MakingChips, we sit down with Mark Kennedy, Senior Director of Exhibitions at AMT, to get a behind-the-scenes look at how the world's largest manufacturing trade show comes together. This conversation dives deep into the IMTS Exhibitor Workshop, a two-day event that helps exhibitors prepare for success long before the show floor opens. Mark explains how exhibitors—from first-timers to seasoned veterans—can maximize ROI, streamline operations, and turn their IMTS booth into a "Super Bowl moment" for their brand. From freight logistics and pavilion planning to marketing strategy and exhibitor education, Mark shares stories that reveal the incredible coordination required to transform McCormick Place into a million-square-foot hub of innovation. The hosts also share their own trade show experiences—from lessons learned the hard way to creative booth strategies like ProShop's "Ambassador Program." Whether you're an exhibitor, attendee, or simply curious about the manufacturing event that defines the industry every two years, this episode offers a rare look at what it takes to make IMTS happen—and how to make it count. Segments (1:00) Introducing guest Mark Kennedy and the importance of the IMTS Exhibitor Workshop (3:14) Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (6:32) How IMTS continues to evolve — from pavilions to product sectors (8:20) Why IMTS is the "Super Bowl" for manufacturers (9:01) What separates the best exhibitors (habits of highly effective show teams) (9:52) Creative booth ideas that drive engagement (ProShop Ambassadors, Toolpath's cornhole concept) (13:46) Lessons for first-time exhibitors and the importance of detailed planning (14:51) Panel discussions and hearing directly from attendees (16:46) Check out SMW Autoblok's workholding catalog (18:00) The new executive track — teaching leaders how to measure ROI (19:07) Alternatives for those who can't attend: Regional "Spring Training" sessions (20:38) Why McCormick Place and in-person networking still matter (21:53) Understanding the E-Kit and saving money through early planning (23:35) Collaboration among competitors and shared learning on the show floor (24:32) Maximizing IMTS Plus and digital marketing before the show (25:33) Introducing the IMTS Exhibitor Workbook — your "playbook for ROI" (26:35) The importance of preparation (you can't wing IMTS like a football game) (30:30) The continuous improvement mindset and what's coming next for IMTS 2026 (31:29) Predicting the next big trend — AI as the "prom queen" of manufacturing (33:46) Why we created Hire MFG Leaders—and why you should use the service Resources mentioned on this episode Register for the IMTS Exhibitor Workshop Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Check out SMW Autoblok's workholding catalog Why we created Hire MFG Leaders—and why you should use the service Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

We're coming to you once again from the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit in Washington, D.C.—the largest gathering of small business owners in U.S. history. This time, we're joined by two inspiring leaders from the Metalworking Nation who prove that the heart of American manufacturing beats strongest in small towns and family-run shops. Our guests, Jenny Steffensmeier, owner of Steffensmeier Welding & Manufacturing in Pilot Grove, Iowa, and Paul Bothe, third-generation owner of a CNC job shop in Kenosha, Wisconsin, share how the Goldman Sachs 10KSB program transformed not only their businesses, but their lives. From resilience in the face of loss to the legacy of family ownership and the power of advocacy, their stories show what it means to make small big. Together, we talk about how to lead through transition, the role of creativity in machining, and why the best shops are built by "high-quality people doing high-quality work." Whether you're a shop owner, an aspiring entrepreneur, or a believer in the power of community, this episode will remind you why manufacturing matters—and how small businesses create a big impact. Segments (0:00) Recording live from the Goldman Sachs 10KSB Summit (2:45) Introducing guests Jenny Steffensmeier and Paul Bothe (5:50) Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP (7:23) How Jenny got involved with the Goldman Sachs 10KSB program (8:22) How Paul found his way from music to manufacturing (13:20) Jenny's story of taking over the business after her husband's passing (17:12) The power of community and connection in the 10KSB program (18:39) Leadership lessons from raising five kids and leading a team (20:24) Why you should consider Phoenix Heat Treating for Outside Processing (21:33) Favorite lessons from the 10,000 Small Businesses modules (25:00) Jenny's realization at 10KSB: "I'm not alone." (27:58) Why vulnerability builds better leaders (28:54) Family legacy: The German "Mittelstand" mindset and stewardship over ownership (30:42) How family values and long-term customer relationships build trust (32:21) Jenny on her children's involvement and carrying forward their father's legacy (35:22) Lessons in storytelling—Tailoring your message for customers, students, and policymakers (38:52) "High-quality people doing high-quality work"—what culture really means (40:54) Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (41:29) Thinking bigger: making small businesses big through policy and voice (40:30) Final reflections and memorable takeaways Resources mentioned on this episode Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP Use Phoenix Heat Treating for Outside Processing Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Connect with Jenny on LinkedIn Connect with Paul on LinkedIn Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

We're coming to you live from Washington, D.C., at the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit—the largest gathering of small business owners in U.S. history. With more than 2,700 entrepreneurs in one place, the energy is electric, and the conversations are powerful. Among them is our guest, Brandon Dahms, owner of Innovative Manufacturing & Engineering (IME) in Des Moines, Iowa. Brandon's story captures what this summit is all about—growth, resilience, and transformation. After starting his career with plans to work in sports marketing, he took an unexpected turn into manufacturing and never looked back. Today, his 10,000-square-foot, lights-out machining operation runs nearly 24/7, serving as proof that automation, strategy, and strong leadership can turn even the smallest shop into a powerhouse. In this episode, we talk with Brandon about how the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses program helped him refine his growth strategy, strengthen his company culture, and position IME for long-term success. We dive into what it's like to go through a program that feels like an "MBA for real-world business owners" and how it shaped his ability to pivot from a traditional job shop to a high-volume, automated manufacturer. We also explore the advocacy side of the program—how small business owners like Brandon are meeting directly with congressional leaders to influence policy on issues that affect manufacturers every day: workforce development, healthcare costs, and economic uncertainty. From his experience in the classroom to his conversations on Capitol Hill, Brandon shows how one voice can help represent the entire metalworking nation. If you've ever wondered how programs like this can truly impact your business—and why stepping outside your bubble might be the key to future growth—this conversation is one you don't want to miss. Segments (0:39) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (1:15) Recording at the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit (2:48) Brandon Dahms' origin story in metalworking (6:07) Why "Innovative Manufacturing & Engineering" stuck (and why it's a long email address) (7:17) Why apply for the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses program? (11:13) Why the investment of time is invaluable—Brandon's personal ROI (12:40) Manufacturing's place in the conversation: explaining CNC to non-manufacturers (13:30) The Voices advocacy program: How advocacy efforts translate into real policy conversations (16:05) Navigating uncertainty: Tariffs, government shutdowns, and planning for growth (18:16) SMW Autoblok: automation and workholding innovation (19:28) Applying 10KSB lessons to IME—pivoting, culture, and core values (21:08) Pivoting from job shop to high-volume manufacturing and reshoring work (22:51) Presenting the capstone project (a real-world growth plan) (24:34) How networking led to new high-volume customers (26:53) Balancing capacity, growth, and selectivity in customer relationships (28:21) Hiring for core values first, technical skill second (and personality tests that help) (31:20) Aligning personal goals with company growth (33:07) How to apply for the 10,000 Small Businesses program and what to expect (34:45) How MakingChips' "Machine Shop MBA" series aligns with the same mission (36:44) Why the best ideas often come from outside your industry (38:00) Hire MFG Leaders—find manufacturing talent that fits Resources mentioned on this episode Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit Connect with Brandon Dahms on LinkedIn Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) SMW Autoblok: automation and workholding innovation Hire MFG Leaders—find manufacturing talent that fits Apply for Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

In this powerful installment of the Machine Shop MBA series, we welcome two guests who embody the heart of continuous improvement: Noah Goellner, President of AME and Hennig, and Nick DeGeorgia, Manufacturing Engineer at P1 Industries. What starts as a story of one listener's journey—from cutting chips to becoming a lean champion—evolves into a masterclass on how lean thinking transforms not just the shop floor, but every function of an organization. Nick shares how MakingChips inspired him to bring process improvement into his career, using whiteboards, kaizen events, and a relentless focus on reducing waste to reshape his company culture. We also break down how lean applies far beyond machining—into quoting, engineering, office workflows, and even sales strategy. They unpack how to start small, gain buy-in, and build trust that leads to sustained results. From Kanban systems to complete-and-accurate feedback loops, this conversation bridges the gap between concept and practice. Whether you're a shop leader, engineer, or business owner, this episode offers a blueprint for turning lean from a buzzword into a daily habit that drives clarity, collaboration, and growth. Segments (0:00) A Goellner family introduction and a musical interlude gone wrong (1:36) Meet Nick DeGeorgia — how MakingChips inspired his lean journey (5:25) Moving from a large OEM to a small contract manufacturer (7:02) Come see us at the Top Shops 2025 event in Charlotte, NC! (7:28) Reintroducing Noah and how lean shaped AME and Hennig's company culture (8:45) Paul's lean journey: ISO, standardization, kaizen newspapers, and cutting waste (10:31) Defining lean — eliminating waste vs. maximizing flow of value (12:38) Where to start: applying lean based on your role and customer definition (18:19) Process success mapping: starting at the end to define what success looks like (20:31) Using "complete and accurate" feedback to fix systemic process issues (21:15) Why you should use Hire MFG Leaders for recruiting (21:42) How to gain buy-in when you're not in leadership (22:31) Mapping processes and linking operations to customer outcomes (23:10) Implementing "no hunting" and Kanban systems at P1 Industries (26:12) P1's Kanban system explained (visual signaling for just-in-time replenishment) (29:30) Building trust and reliability so teams want to surface problems (30:30) Level 1 meetings, rewarding problem identification, and closing the loop on improvement (35:14) "Lean isn't magic—it's discipline in the basics." (36:00) How ProShop embeds lean principles across the manufacturing workflow (41:53) Top lean book recommendations and building a lean network (44:41) Final reflections: staying humble, staying curious, and sticking to the basics (49:37) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Resources mentioned on this episode Come see us at the Top Shops 2025 event in Charlotte, NC! Why you should use Hire MFG Leaders for recruiting 2 Second Lean Toyota Kata The Toyota Way The Goal Learning to See Managing to Learn The Kind Leader The E Myth Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Every machine shop relies on outside processes—whether that's heat treating, plating, grinding, or coating. But every time a part leaves your building, your risk profile changes. Quality, timing, and accountability become harder to control. In this episode of MakingChips, the hosts sit down with Charlie Hushek, owner of Phoenix Heat Treating and a newly minted machine shop owner, to unpack what it really takes to manage outside processes like a pro. Charlie's experience on both sides of the fence—running a generational heat-treating company and now owning a machining operation—gives him a rare perspective on what separates smooth partnerships from painful ones. He shares the top mistakes shops make when sending parts out, how to build lasting vendor relationships, and how to turn your outside processes into a seamless extension of your own workflow. The conversation dives deep into practical strategies for planning, communication, and documentation, plus how to handle the inevitable hiccups along the way. From establishing fixed processes to verifying incoming and outgoing inspections, this episode equips manufacturing leaders with the tools they need to reduce risk, improve consistency, and strengthen their supplier relationships. If you've ever lost sleep waiting on a heat-treating order—or had a part fall off a truck—this one's for you. Segments (0:00) Highlights from the Automated Shop Conference and the rise of blue-collar value (3:40) Introducing Charlie Hushek, third-generation owner of Phoenix Heat Treating (5:00) The connection between automation, culture, and building value in acquisitions (7:09) Phoenix Heat Treating's transparency advantage: real-time client portal tracking (8:19) How each added process increases risk, scrap rate, and lead time (10:10) Real-world stories: when parts fall off trucks and lessons learned from it (11:26) Building relationships and setting expectations with outside vendors (12:57) Why "heat treat per print" isn't enough—clarity prevents costly mistakes (15:50) Inviting vendors to planning meetings to align early on risk and tolerance (17:45) The value of educating yourself about heat treating and other outsourced processes (18:27) Treating your vendors like partners—turn them into extensions of your shop (19:36) Relationship-building tips: tours, face-to-face meetings, and yes, donuts (20:31) Drill in on your workholding with SMW Autoblok (21:15) How clear documentation and fixed process numbers can save time and eliminate confusion (26:34) Using ERP systems like ProShop to manage outside processes and supplier specs (27:41) Why outgoing and incoming inspections are critical for accountability (28:57) Handling disputes over damage, missing parts, or quality issues (32:33) How ProShop automates documentation and visual tracking for outside operations (35:03) Liability and how heat treaters manage high-risk, high-value parts (38:28) The importance of empathy when resolving quality issues (39:57) Quoting faster: what information outside vendors need upfront (41:46) The "Hot Potato vs. Baton Pass" analogy—how to work as one unified team (43:40) Why relationship-building directly impacts quoting speed and quality priority (44:31) Eliminate risk by integrating your partners into your process  (46:41) Make sure you meet us at Top Shops 2025! Resources mentioned on this episode Phoenix Heat Treating's transparency advantage: real-time client portal tracking Drill in on your workholding with SMW Autoblok Get 20% off your Top Shops 2025 ticket with code MAK20 Connect with Charlie on LinkedIn  Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Finance doesn't have to be a mystery—it can be your greatest advantage. In this episode of the Machine Shop MBA series, we sit down with Jon Hughes, Erik Skie, and Mike Estes from CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) to unpack the financial principles that separate high-performing shops from those that just get by. Together, they dig into how manufacturers can transform their accounting systems from mere compliance tools into strategic assets that fuel growth. From understanding capacity and pricing to mastering forecasting and job costing, this conversation bridges the gap between the shop floor and the balance sheet. CLA's experts explain why simplicity often beats complexity, how to avoid "bad business" when chasing volume, and why aligning cost structure with capacity utilization is the secret to consistent profitability. They also explore how automation and advanced equipment investments change the financial equation, why separating costing from pricing is essential, and how the best-run shops use forecasting not just to plan—but to learn. Whether you're running a $3M job shop or a $30M operation, this episode gives you the tools to make smarter financial decisions and build long-term resilience. Segments (1:03) Recapping Nick's trip to EMO in Germany (1:52) Meet the guests: Jon Hughes, Erik Skie, and Mike Estes from CLA (4:38) Grow your top and bottom-line with CLA (7:06) Keep it simple: Capacity vs. demand (the key to unlocking consistent profitability) (9:19) Why labor is effectively a fixed cost in modern manufacturing (12:21) When increasing capacity is a smart risk and when it's not (15:08) Activity-based costing and why not all machines should share the same rate (16:38) Why we love Phoenix Heat Treating for outside processing (17:47) How to price automation and capture its true value (20:30) Separating cost from price & matching pricing strategy to niche and capacity (25:06) The danger of underutilized automation and inflated rates (27:09) How customer communication improves quoting accuracy and margins (28:38) The "death spiral" of bad quoting assumptions (30:57) Understanding your cost structure vs. chasing perfect accuracy (32:46) Material-heavy jobs, overhead allocation, and avoiding double-dipping (35:25) Demystifying EDM technology with Methods Machine Tools Bill Burba (49:17) Forecasting and budgeting: why they matter beyond the numbers (52:35) Linking your business model to your P&L for smarter decision-making (54:23) How to use forecasting to test your assumptions (56:05) Killing unprofitable jobs ("deselecting customers") and improving mix (1:01:10) Meet us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC Resources mentioned on this episode Grow your top and bottom-line with CLA Why we love Phoenix Heat Treating for outside processing Get more information about EDM technology from Methods Machine Tools Business Model Canvas Meet us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

What happens when two brothers with a racing background decide to start a machine shop—with zero machining experience? You get Olson Custom Designs, a company that's gone from two Haas machines in 2014 to nearly 90 employees today—serving medical, defense, and aerospace industries out of a world-class facility in Indianapolis. In this episode, we sit down with Mitch and Brian Olson to unpack the remarkable story behind their explosive growth. They share how their competitive drive from sprint car racing carried over to machining, the lessons learned from starting with no industry experience, and the systems that have fueled their scale—from culture to ProShop ERP. The brothers talk openly about the struggles of starting from scratch, the importance of integrity and teamwork, and how they've built a facility and a culture that attracts top young talent. They also dig into how automation, palletization, and continuous improvement have allowed them to grow at breakneck speed without losing control of quality—or their vision for what manufacturing should look like. This episode is packed with lessons on grit, growth, and leadership for anyone looking to take their shop from humble beginnings to high performance. Segments (0:58) The inspiring origin story of Olson Custom Designs (6:30) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (7:08) Why integrity and belief in the customer's mission drive everything they do (10:13) Changing the perception of manufacturing through aesthetics and culture (12:37) Attracting young, passionate machinists with technology and image (13:54) The evolution of automation and palletization in a high-mix environment (16:21) Running 24/7 with volunteers and flexible shifts (18:02) Investing in ProShop ERP is an investment in your business (19:38) Creating a culture of accountability and clarity (21:38) The core values that guide OCD—integrity, fairness, and transparency (24:20) Systems that scale: how ProShop ERP became their backbone (30:45) Giving every employee a voice in continuous improvement (33:11) Section 232 Tariffs: What manufacturers need to know and how to comment (40:53) Brothers in business: why partnership made their success possible (43:10) The importance of complementary strengths and mutual respect (45:00) Sales and marketing as a growth engine—never taking your foot off the gas (49:09) Final takeaways: don't give up, ask for help, and delegate (52:09) Looking to hire? Check out Hire MFG Leaders Resources mentioned on this episode Olson Custom Designs Connect with Mitch and Brian Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen Investing in ProShop ERP is an investment in your business Looking to hire? Check out Hire MFG Leaders Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Recruiting and retaining great people is one of the biggest challenges in manufacturing today—but what if the solution isn't just about wages or benefits, but about building a culture where people thrive? In this episode of the Machine Shop MBA series, we are joined by guest co-host Jon Franko and special guest Mike Tamasi, CEO of AccuRounds, a former Top Shops award winner for Human Resources. Mike shares how AccuRounds has become an employer of choice by focusing on community engagement, core values, and creating opportunity for every team member. From partnering with vocational schools and launching unique workforce development programs to embracing servant leadership and lifelong learning, Mike reveals why culture is not a buzzword—it's a competitive advantage. You'll hear how AccuRounds is tackling the workforce shortage by looking beyond traditional talent pools, empowering young people through co-ops and internships, and even launching initiatives like the Uniquely Abled Academy to provide CNC training for adults on the autism spectrum. The results? A highly engaged team, industry recognition, and stories of employees buying homes, building families, and creating meaningful careers. If you're a shop leader struggling with workforce challenges—or simply looking for fresh ideas on how to build a resilient and loyal team—this episode is packed with lessons you can implement immediately. Segments (1:00) Stay vigilant—don't fall for this latest phone scam (3:47) Mike's shares the background of AccuRounds and their Top Shops Award (5:18) Community involvement: Redefining manufacturing as "safe, smart, sustainable, and sexy" (8:06) Head to the EBITDA Growth Systems Double Your Value Event (9:13) The growing demand for trade schools vs. college enrollment (10:02) Co-ops, internships, and the importance of lifelong learning opportunities (14:22) Creative talent pipelines: Programs for autistic adults, refugees, and formerly incarcerated workers (16:33) Core values in action: Gratitude, Excellence, Team First, Initiative, Trust (GET IT) (20:06) Retention strategies: safety, flexibility, lean practices, and environment (22:41) Layering in corporate social responsibility practices (24:26) Apprenticeship and leadership training for employees at every level (26:29) Why you should come see us at AMT's MTForecast  (27:45) Invest in technology and opportunities to keep people engaged and growing (32:45) Stories of employee success: buying homes, raising families, and long-term loyalty (35:09) Recognition and international visitors: building a reputation through culture (38:43) The importance of servant leadership—culture cannot be outsourced to HR (40:12) Lessons in flexibility: "freedom with fences"  (43:16) Jason Ray: Leveraging technology as a recruiting and retention tool (51:29) Scheduling and the shift away from second shift (54:38) Learn more about the Manufacturing Employer podcast (57:29) RASRAM = Reasons to check out the SMW Autoblok catalog Resources mentioned on this episode Connect with Mike Tamasi AccuRounds Machine Shop Mastery Episode #42 See Paul at the EBITDA Growth Systems Double Your Value Event (Get 20% off registration with code DYV25MC) The Uniquely Abled Project  Hidden Talent by David DeLong US Navy Talent Pipeline Program Why you should come see us at AMT's MTForecast  Small Giants Career Spring Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Leadership is more than a buzzword—it's the backbone of every successful machine shop. In this episode of MakingChips—Machine Shop MBA, hosts Paul Van Metre and Jen Dubose sit down with Kyra Tillman, owner of BTM Industries, to explore what real leadership looks like on the shop floor and in the front office. Kyra inherited a decades-old family shop steeped in tradition and transformed it into a forward-looking, systems-driven operation without losing its close-knit culture. Drawing on her experience in construction and her perspective as a non-machinist leader, she shares how she built trust, introduced new systems, and developed her people—all while respecting the expertise already on her team. This conversation digs into the mechanics of leadership in a small manufacturing business: why humility and transparency matter, how to foster a culture of continuous improvement, and the difference between managing work and leading people. Kyra also outlines her approach to apprenticeship programs, leadership training, and grants, showing that even small shops can invest in their workforce and future. Whether you're an established owner or just starting your journey, Kyra's lessons on change management, talent development, and leading by example will help you strengthen your shop from the inside out. Segments (1:07) Introducing our manager and today's co-host, Jen Dubose (5:00) Kyra's background: from construction to leading BTM Industries (8:19) Leadership as support and respect for expertise (10:02) Modernizing operations: moving beyond index cards (11:08) Why you need to join us at MTForecast (13:12) Building credibility and trust as a non-machinist leader (14:48) Monthly meetings and opening communication channels (17:14) Vision and hiring for skill and attitude (20:06) How do you build trust with your team?  (24:03) Creating a culture of continuous improvement and curiosity (26:37) Developing talent from within and apprenticeship programs (28:17) Join us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC (29:41) Investing in people: leadership training, grants, and high school interns (32:42) External resources: mentorships, peer groups, and local networks (35:42) Switching to ProShop ERP and navigating change management (39:21) Leading by example and diving in alongside the team (40:58) Personal leadership habits: mindfulness, learning, and consistency (41:42) Final advice from Kyra for shop owners and leaders (45:11) Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Resources mentioned on this episode Why you need to join us at MTForecast Get a preview of MTForecast on Buy the Numbers Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Join us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC: Get 20% off your registration with code MAK20 IMEC MCEDC Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

In this special MakingChips Machine Shop MBA episode, we sit down with Peter Doyle—CEO of Hirsh Precision—to unpack what it takes to grow and transform a machine shop with purpose. From his roots as an Air Force officer to leading a former Top Shops award winner, Peter has blended strategy, structure, and heart into a roadmap any shop leader can learn from. Peter shares why strategic vision is more than a slogan on a wall. He explains how his team at Hirsh Precision focuses on high-mix, low-volume work, invests heavily in sales and marketing, and positions themselves as partners to engineers—not just parts suppliers. This shift has generated a steady stream of new business opportunities while maintaining the discipline required for regulated industries like aerospace and medical. Throughout the conversation, Peter emphasizes the importance of deliberate decisions: building customer-centric processes, developing leaders, hiring wisely, and implementing technology and certifications that align with their mission to "improve quality of life through precision manufacturing solutions." For machine shop owners, managers, and future leaders, this episode is a blueprint for balancing risk with reward—how to create a strategic growth vision, win the right customers, and build a resilient team ready for the next decade of manufacturing innovation. Segments (2:42) Peter's career journey from Air Force officer to Deloitte consultant to manufacturing leader (4:32) Lessons from Top Shops benchmarking—how to interpret the data and use it to guide strategy (5:53) Defining strategic growth: vision, customer focus, structure, agility, and leadership development (9:04) Building a sales and marketing engine—brand refresh, website upgrade, CRM adoption, and content strategy (10:57) Join us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC!  (11:53) Deciding to purchase and expand the business—risk appetite, growth targets, and new facility (14:15) Aligning the team with a growth vision (overcoming skepticism and making decisive calls) (15:32) Hiring experienced business development talent and shifting from craft focus to customer experience (19:30) Implementing HubSpot CRM, learning to be externally focused, and building scalable marketing systems (23:00) The difference between doing sales and managing sales—lessons in leadership at the customer interface (27:00) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (27:40) Moving beyond the buyer—how Peter built relationships with engineers and C-suite leaders (30:00) Choosing industries and customers that inspire—medical devices, surgical robotics, aerospace, and more (36:20) Translating customer-centric thinking into technology investments and equipment decisions (39:46) Balancing machine tool brand standardization with flexibility and innovation (42:40) Leadership evolution—learning to delegate, empower, and coach for high performance (45:31) SMART goals and performance management—aligning individual metrics with company-wide strategy (47:56) Closing reflections on creating a strategic growth vision and inspiring the next generation of shop leaders (49:19) Why you need to join us at MTForecast Resources mentioned on this episode  Hirsh Precision Peter's episode on Machine Shop Mastery Join us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC! Discount code: MAK20 Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA)  Why you need to join us at MTForecast  Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

If you've ever lost sleep wondering whether you missed a critical detail in a quote—or felt the adrenaline of winning a job only to realize you underpriced it—this MakingChips episode is for you. Recorded live at FABTECH 2025, Nick sits down with Jason Ray, founder of Paperless Parts, to unveil a breakthrough tool that promises to transform how shops handle complex RFQs, drawings, and bills of materials. Over the past decade, Paperless Parts has become synonymous with solving bottlenecks in estimating and quoting. Their mission has been clear: empower people—not replace them—with software designed to make quoting faster, smarter, and less risky. In this conversation, Jason shares how their latest release takes that vision even further by surfacing critical requirements buried inside complex drawings and bills of materials. This episode is full of relatable stories and practical lessons. Jason explains how the new "Requirements Review" functionality captures tribal knowledge, accelerates mentoring, and helps shops avoid underpricing jobs while improving their RFQ triage process. Nick and Jason also dig into the big picture: the hype cycle of AI in manufacturing, the importance of trust and customer retention, and the future of Paperless Parts—including "historical intelligence" and next-level shop insights.  Whether you're a shop owner, estimator, or manufacturing leader, you'll leave this episode with actionable takeaways for quoting more accurately, prioritizing the right work, and scaling your business intelligently. Segments (0:53) "I Love Big BOMs": How Paperless Parts tackles large bills of materials= (2:27) Bottlenecks in quoting and estimating—and why Paperless Parts was built (6:05) AI hype vs. reality in manufacturing software (7:39) Quote faster, smarter, and more consistently with Paperless Parts (9:20) "AI makes recommendations, humans make decisions" (12:38) Introducing "Requirements Review" to surface critical details in drawings (14:41) Capturing tribal knowledge and accelerating mentoring before retirements (17:13) Why missing something on a print leads to underpricing and margin compression (18:45) Using AI to read complex drawing packages and trigger shop-specific rules (20:22) Solving simpler problems first: best practices for adopting AI in manufacturing (22:14) Why you should join us at MTForecast 2025 (23:42) Quoting faster without over-engineering or missing key details (25:02) RFQs are getting larger—how to triage and prioritize the right work (26:47) Building an "ideal part profile" and learning to say no to non-fit work (29:54) Safety, flow state, and the hidden costs of taking on bad-fit jobs (30:53) Cash flow realities of contract manufacturing and avoiding high-risk mistakes (32:32) Aligning Paperless Parts' incentives with customer success and retention (34:38) Value-based sales process and proving ROI before the sale (38:00) Emotional ROI for shop leaders and software founders alike (40:08) Why customer success is tied to clear ROI targets and ongoing support (42:27) Selling change management, not just a tool—how Paperless implements software (45:32) Looking ahead: Paperless Parts' upcoming user conference and "historical intelligence" (49:32) Resources mentioned on this episode Quote faster, smarter, and more consistently with Paperless Parts Join us at MTForecast 2025 Achieve the 7 Habits of Successful Workholding with SMW Autobook Requirements Review Press Release Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Every machine shop leader knows you can buy the best equipment, implement cutting-edge automation, and have bulletproof processes—but without the right team and culture, growth will stall. In this episode of MakingChips Machine Shop MBA, we talk with Matt Wardle, President of JD Machine, about how he transformed a small Utah shop into a 210-person powerhouse by prioritizing people and culture over everything else. Matt's story shows what happens when leadership takes workforce development seriously. From his early days as a 10-person shop owner watching competitors poach his talent, to becoming a two-time Top Shops winner recognized for HR and culture, Matt has built a system for attracting, training, and retaining the kind of people who make growth possible. We dive deep into JD Machine's unique approach to workforce development: Department of Labor-approved apprenticeship programs, high school counselor outreach, profit-sharing models, mentorship incentives, and cultural rituals like celebrating apprenticeship completions with a "Masters Jacket." The result? A company that not only keeps top talent but grows its own leaders from within. If you've ever wondered how to build a resilient shop culture where employees feel invested, customers trust your team, and growth becomes sustainable, this conversation delivers the blueprint. Matt shows that "winning" in manufacturing isn't just about throughput or margins—it's about building people who build the business. Segments (0:58) Introducing Matt Wardle of JD Machine: from 10 employees to a 210-person operation (4:30) Early lessons in retention and the shift from poaching talent to building a pipeline (7:44) Why you should register and see us at AMT's MTForecast (11:41) Community outreach: hosting school counselors, sponsoring robotics, and changing perceptions (17:10) Open houses, virtual field trips, and branding your shop to future employees (15:00) Mentorship structure, incentives for trainers, and celebrating completions with the "Masters Jacket" (19:20) Tracking the right metrics: turnover, reviews, skill increases, and retention as KPIs (22:58) Apprenticeship program design: 8,000 hours, Department of Labor approval, and clear pay raises (27:57) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (28:32) How small shops can scale their workforce systems over time (30:18) Building your own curriculum: Tooling U, NTMA U, Titans of CNC, and customizing courses (31:50) Encouraging on-the-job learning during machine cycle times (34:10) Mentorship structure and incentives for experienced machinists training apprentices (36:05) Recruiting under-18 students through legislative partnerships and state risk management (37:52) How NTMA chapters create collaboration and make SkillsUSA more impactful (39:35) Balancing competitive pay with margins and long-term stability (43:58) Profit-sharing and open-book management to drive engagement and retention (44:44) Lessons learned from losing good employees and being proactive about retention (49:55) Matt's closing thoughts: people who align with your core values become your greatest asset  (51:40) The countdown is on: See us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC Resources mentioned on this episode JD Machine Connect with Matt on LinkedIn Why you should check out AMT's MTForecast Matt's episode on Machine Shop Mastery (all about culture) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) The countdown is on: See us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC (code MAK20 for 20% off) Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Every machine shop has a story—and Chad Schmidt has made it his mission to tell them. As a sales engineer + content creator, Chad blends his technical background with a passion for storytelling. He creates authentic shop tour videos that shine a spotlight on the people, culture, and values driving the manufacturing industry. His YouTube channel has quickly gained traction, giving machinists and shop owners a platform to showcase their work in an honest and unpolished—but deeply engaging—format. In this episode of MakingChips, Chad shares his journey from tool rep to filmmaker and how a pandemic-era discovery of shop tour videos sparked his creative pursuit. He opens up about the challenges of convincing shop owners to go on camera, the humility he sees in the most successful leaders, and the business trends shaping machine shops across the country. The conversation dives into everything from diversification and leadership mindsets to adopting new technology and empowering the next generation of machinists. Whether you're a seasoned shop owner or just starting out, Chad's perspective reveals why authenticity, culture, and a willingness to evolve are essential ingredients for long-term success in manufacturing. By capturing raw, human-centered stories, Chad isn't just documenting the industry—he's helping elevate it. Tune in to hear his take on where shops are thriving, where they're struggling, and what lessons every leader can take away from the tour videos that are inspiring thousands online. Segments (0:20) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (2:06) How Chad got started in machining sales and what led him to shop tour videos (4:23) Inspiration from John Saunders' NYC CNC channel during the pandemic (6:17) Balancing a sales career with filming shop tours and support from his company (7:12) Campro's machine offerings and focus on job shops (8:19) Shop owners' mixed reactions to being filmed and overcoming hesitations (11:06) Challenges of being on camera and blooper stories from filming (12:44) Insights from visiting shops: leadership humility, culture, and mindset trends (14:39) Tariffs, diversification, and the impact of customer concentration (17:43) Correlation between humility, ambition, and business growth (20:18) Balancing business ambition with family and personal life (20:58) Get transparency in the heat-treating process with Phoenix Heat Treating (22:07) Lifestyle businesses vs. growth-oriented shops and the risks of coasting (24:31) Stories from younger shop owners and COVID-era startups (26:05) Funding and customer acquisition strategies for new shops (27:27) How to leverage Xometry as a launchpad (time will change from this on after edit) (28:42) Observations on technology adoption: probing, CAM, ERP, and monitoring tools (33:25) Empowering younger team members and building fulfilling shop cultures (38:49) Shop cleanliness, lighting, and layout as indicators of culture and success (40:51) Biggest takeaways: zero-point workholding and inspiring shop stories (41:54) COVID-era entrepreneurs starting shops from scratch (44:58) Hire your next manufacturing leader with Hire MFG Leaders Resources mentioned on this episode Chad's YouTube Channel Connect with Chad Schmidt Campro USA NYC CNC Get transparency in the heat-treating process with Phoenix Heat Treating Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen MW Machine Motive Machine Works Hire MFG Leaders Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube